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A painful anniversary for all involved as lot of pain and suffering associated with this event.

Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
 
MenInG said:
A painful anniversary for all involved as lot of pain and suffering associated with this event.

Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
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They should. Maybe not a direct analogy but America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, they had good relations pretty soon much after.
 
Devilsadvokat said:
They should. Maybe not a direct analogy but America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, they had good relations pretty soon much after.
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Agree they should. But in case of US-Japan, there was a closure and liabilities/ownerships were taken for different actions.

People can move on from 26/11 if a logical closure is provided by both which will give political strength to both sides to pursue their people. Else it will be political suicide by people on power.
 
MenInG said:
A painful anniversary for all involved as lot of pain and suffering associated with this event.

Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
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The onus is on the the Indians since they have taken more than their allocated pound of flesh from the body of Pakistan. APS was enough revenge. Time for cooler heads to prevail and finally sit down and sign a comprehensive non aggression pact.
 
I don’t believe we are in the position to move on so quickly. The Indian establishment has had a strong crackdown on domestic terrorists since 2008. They have gone a step ahead and reduced people to people contacts to a minimum. Now it’s difficult for Pakistani citizens or even people with Pakistani ancestry to get an Indian visa. These steps may seem too harsh but they are yielding dividends. We have had a dramatic reduction in the number of attacks since 2008. I am all for keeping up the current steps if it keeps our citizens safe. India and Pakistan need to mature a lot more and reduce the role of religion in public life before we can get back to pre 2008
 
To center all of this around the Mumbai attacks is itself a capitulation towards the Indian rhetoric.

What about '71 war/Mukti Bahini, the 1000s of deaths in IoK over the decades, sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan through the Kulbhushan Jadhav's, etc
 
enkidu_ said:
To center all of this around the Mumbai attacks is itself a capitulation towards the Indian rhetoric.

What about '71 war/Mukti Bahini, the 1000s of deaths in IoK over the decades, sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan through the Kulbhushan Jadhav's, etc
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It depends on who needs to move on more and faster.
 
MenInG said:
Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
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Noble but wishful thinking.

The direction this thread is heading in simply shows this is nigh on impossible! Leaders in the most powerful departments on both sides of the border have a lot to gain by the animosity and it's ripple effects. Vote banks, defence budgets, popular rhetoric, power etc...etc..

Even is some sort of truce is achieved it will be very fickle and will not last more than a year. For the elements that have a lot to lose from such a peaceful atmosphere, it is very easy to rile up tensions once again.

The most likely scenario is that we will pass the hatred and animosity to the next generation, in the same way we inherited this from the ones before ours.

RIP to the ones who died being collateral.
 
Don't want to annoy Pak posters here, but India will never, ever in another 100 years get over the Mumbai attacks. Ask any Indian, they will say the same. The wounds are just too severe.
 
Hitman said:
Don't want to annoy Pak posters here, but India will never, ever in another 100 years get over the Mumbai attacks. Ask any Indian, they will say the same. The wounds are just too severe.
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Deeper than what you did in 1971 or deeper than the Indian sponsored terrorism in Baluchistan let alone IOK. Crocodile tears nothing else
 
there is nothing to move past. Indians should grow up. They should realise that war is a two-way street, when they kill innocent Kashmiris then it is likely to result in deaths of innocent Indians as well.
 
Azzurri said:
Deeper than what you did in 1971 or deeper than the Indian sponsored terrorism in Baluchistan let alone IOK. Crocodile tears nothing else
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What did we do in 1971? Ever heard of Operation Genghis Khan? Our actions happened after that Operation by Pakistan. Or were we expected to thank Pakistan in return for that Operation by them? What about the extremely humanitarian deeds by the Pak army in East Pakistan raping 90,000 of their women and killing 3 million of their people? Kashmir is none of your business, it's not a part of your country. What happened in 2008 was in the financial capital of India.
 
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What did we do in 1971? Ever heard of Operation Genghis Khan? Our actions happened after that Operation by Pakistan. Or were we expected to thank Pakistan in return for that Operation by them? Kashmir is none of your business, it's not a part of your country. What happened in 2008 was in the financial capital of India.
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You are your country are milk feeding babies. You know nothing
 
shortbread said:
Noble but wishful thinking.

Leaders in the most powerful departments on both sides of the border have a lot to gain by the animosity and it's ripple effects. Vote banks, defence budgets, popular rhetoric, power etc...etc..

Even is some sort of truce is achieved it will be very fickle and will not last more than a year. For the elements that have a lot to lose from such a peaceful atmosphere, it is very easy to rile up tensions once again.

The most likely scenario is that we will pass the hatred and animosity to the next generation, in the same way we inherited this from the ones before ours.

RIP to the ones who died being collateral.
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This.

The direction this thread is heading in simply shows this is nigh on impossible!
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Reading the above (and surely following) replies makes this line even more hilarious.
 
Hitman said:
What did we do in 1971? Ever heard of Operation Genghis Khan? Our actions happened after that Operation by Pakistan. Or were we expected to thank Pakistan in return for that Operation by them? What about the extremely humanitarian deeds by the Pak army in East Pakistan raping 90,000 of their women and killing 3 million of their people? Kashmir is none of your business, it's not a part of your country. What happened in 2008 was in the financial capital of India.
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There was a whole build up to this operation, including Indian army and its Mukti Bahini camps in order to break up a sovereign state. Your numbers all over the place. Bose discusses them in "Dead Reckoning". Kashmir is totally "our business". Milions of ethnic Kashmiris live in Pakistan's Punjab, in fact more than the total population of Pandits. Kashmir was traditionally connected to West Punjab and its Mulims, not Bihar or Tamil Nadu's Hindus. Kashmiris either want independence or join Pak, barely a third option. They are our peoples more than they're yours, that's a certitude.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Life sirf lambi nahi, badi bhi honi chahiye. This stands true for all the brave people who protected and served during the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MumbaiTerrorAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MumbaiTerrorAttack</a>. They proved that no matter what may come, we shall stand united and tall against terror. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/2611MumbaiAttacks?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#2611MumbaiAttacks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NeverForget?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NeverForget</a> <a href="https://t.co/qEQQs9t8uO">pic.twitter.com/qEQQs9t8uO</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1067031106044616705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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enkidu_ said:
There was a whole build up to this operation, including Indian army and its Mukti Bahini camps in order to break up a sovereign state. Your numbers all over the place. Bose discusses them in "Dead Reckoning". Kashmir is totally "our business". Milions of ethnic Kashmiris live in Pakistan's Punjab, in fact more than the total population of Pandits. Kashmir was traditionally connected to West Punjab and its Mulims, not Bihar or Tamil Nadu's Hindus. Kashmiris either want independence or join Pak, barely a third option. They are our peoples more than they're yours, that's a certitude.
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You mean Zaid Hamid's favorite author on God's green earth, Sharmilla Bose? The one who wrote in her book that Pak army never committed any type of atrocity in East Pakistan, and all of it were propaganda of the Indians? :))

I wonder whose word to take, the words of Hamoodur Rahman Commission of Pakistan who said the following -

Both the first and the supplementary report's findings accused the Pakistan Army of carrying out the senseless and wanton arson, killings in the countryside, killing of intellectuals and professionals and burying them in mass graves, killing of officers of East Pakistan Army and soldiers on the pretence of quelling their rebellion, killing East Pakistani civilian officers, businessmen and industrialists, raping a large number of East Pakistani women as a deliberate act of revenge, retaliation and torture, and deliberate killing of members of the Hindu minority.
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Or whether to take the words of Sharmilla Bose who wrote a book decades later claiming that the Pak army never committed any atrocities in East Pakistan.
 
enkidu_ said:
What could change which hasn't in +70 years.
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I don't agree that nothing has changed. A lot of equation has changed and a lot could change.

It will be a question for whom it becomes unbearable. Till now it has not crossed the threshold limit of any one and hence it has not changed much for 70 years.

So it will change either

1. Both decides to change. It is very unlikely as both wants to change it as per their terms.

2. One has to change as the cost of maintaining this status quo is unsustainable.

None of the above has happened yet.
 
Hitman said:
You mean Zaid Hamid's favorite author on God's green earth, Sharmilla Bose? The one who wrote in her book that Pak army never committed any type of atrocity in East Pakistan, and all of it were propaganda of the Indians? :))

I wonder whose word to take, the words of Hamoodur Rahman Commission of Pakistan who said the following -

Or whether to take the words of Sharmilla Bose who wrote a book decades later claiming that the Pak army never committed any atrocities in East Pakistan.
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They have committed crimes, and should have been held accountable for that (I'm not a blind supporter of Pak Army), but not to the scale/for the reasons it's traditionally said. Read her book she gives all the sources/references. I can copy-past some excerpts if you want. And still Operation Chingiz Khan was just a response to Indian Army's sponsoring of Mukti Bahini.

Garuda said:
I don't agree that nothing has changed. A lot of equation has changed and a lot could change.

It will be a question for whom it becomes unbearable. Till now it has not crossed the threshold limit of any one and hence it has not changed much for 70 years.

So it will change either

1. Both decides to change. It is very unlikely as both wants to change it as per their terms.

2. One has to change as the cost of maintaining this status quo is unsustainable.

None of the above has happened yet.
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Nothing will change until Ghazwa e Hind.
 
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enkidu_ said:
They have committed crimes, and should have been held accountable for that (I'm not a blind supporter of Pak Army), but not to the scale/for the reasons it's traditionally said. Read her book she gives all the sources/references. I can copy-past some excerpts if you want. And still Operation Chingiz Khan was just a response to Indian Army's sponsoring of Mukti Bahini.



Nothing will change until Ghazwa e Hind.
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Yup, it is possible. Now let's wait for when it becomes probable. :)
 
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enkidu_ said:
They have committed crimes, and should have been held accountable for that (I'm not a blind supporter of Pak Army), but not to the scale/for the reasons it's traditionally said. Read her book she gives all the sources/references. I can copy-past some excerpts if you want. And still Operation Chingiz Khan was just a response to Indian Army's sponsoring of Mukti Bahini.
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And when a country attacks another country, retaliation will always be there on the cards, and that's what happened. Read her book? So a part of her book were facts and rest were fiction? The moment she wrote in her book that the Pak army never committed any atrocities in East Pakistan, she lost any credibility. So you mean to say that a part of her book contains truth, and the other contains lies? Please don't try to backtrack. You yourself said that Pak army did commit atrocities in East Pakistan, while she wrote in her book the exact opposite. And you want us to believe the rest of what she wrote in his book? :))



enkidu_ said:
Nothing will change until Ghazwa e Hind.
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That's true. Don't worry, it'll happen when Santa Claus will come over to our home during Christmas to present by baby nephew with a bag full of chocolates.
 
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"Will Not Forget": PM Modi, Leaders Remember Victims, Heroes Of 26/11

Exactly 10 years ago to this day, 10 heavily armed terrorists sailed from Pakistan in the pitch black night, landed on the Mumbai coastline and attacked the country's financial and entertainment hub, leaving over 160 people dead and hundreds with injuries, some so serious that they would take a lifetime to heal.

The Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists attacked Taj Mahal Palace hotel, Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station and Leopold Cafe, among other landmarks. The three-day siege of Mumbai -- an incident that later gave rise to tales of heroism -- did not break the spirit of Mumbai. India in fact emerged stronger in the aftermath of the attack.

Today, 10 years later, the country salutes those who fought to keep the city safe and pays tribute to those who lost their lives.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also paid tribute calling upon countries, particularly Pakistan, to uphold UN Security Council obligation to "implement sanctions against the terrorists responsible for this atrocity, including Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and its affiliates."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/SecPompeo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SecPompeo</a>: On behalf of all Americans, I express my solidarity with the people of India and the city of Mumbai on the 10th anniversary of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MumbaiTerrorAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MumbaiTerrorAttack</a>. We stand with the families and friends of the victims, including six American citizens. <a href="https://t.co/NGj4xSGkAv">https://t.co/NGj4xSGkAv</a> <a href="https://t.co/F6oI1Rhouh">pic.twitter.com/F6oI1Rhouh</a></p>— Department of State (@StateDept) <a href="https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1066840779551907840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">25 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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The sentiment was shared by people from across the country. PM Modi among several others posted their tribute on Twitter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tributes to those who lost their lives in the gruesome 26/11 terror attacks in Mumbai. <br><br>Our solidarity with the bereaved families. <br><br>A grateful nation bows to our brave police and security forces who valiantly fought the terrorists during the Mumbai attacks.</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1066890229158678528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I offer my heartfelt tribute to the ones who put Mumbai first, till the very end. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RememberingTheHeroes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RememberingTheHeroes</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZRVq9AaY0B">pic.twitter.com/ZRVq9AaY0B</a></p>— CP Mumbai Police (@CPMumbaiPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/CPMumbaiPolice/status/1066853423264477186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ten years after the Mumbai terror attacks, thoughts with families and individuals who suffered. We salute those from the police and security forces who made the supreme sacrifice that day. India remains honour-bound to securing justice, and defeating terrorism <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PresidentKovind?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PresidentKovind</a></p>— President of India (@rashtrapatibhvn) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashtrapatibhvn/status/1066866758902935552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Memoriam. 26.11.2008 <a href="https://t.co/szB7wxqp3V">pic.twitter.com/szB7wxqp3V</a></p>— Taj Hotels (@TajHotels) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajHotels/status/1066897063462481921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The ones we will never forget <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RememberingTheHeroes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RememberingTheHeroes</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/2611Attack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#2611Attack</a> <a href="https://t.co/Mi4zwJ6b57">https://t.co/Mi4zwJ6b57</a></p>— Mumbai Police (@MumbaiPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/MumbaiPolice/status/1066911106688528384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10 years ago, we showed the world that divisive forces cannot break the unity and solidarity among our people. Today, we honour those who lost their lives in the 26/11 Mumbai Attacks. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MumbaiTerrorAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MumbaiTerrorAttack</a> <a href="https://t.co/EOLsFIFTCp">pic.twitter.com/EOLsFIFTCp</a></p>— Congress (@INCIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/INCIndia/status/1066916927619063808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We wil not forget the sacrifices, we will not forgive the perpetrators of 26/11 Mumbai terror attack.<br><br>Tributes to those who lost their lives in the cowardly terrorist attack and salute to the bravehearts who defended our nation and its people. <a href="https://t.co/TlQVUInHYO">pic.twitter.com/TlQVUInHYO</a></p>— BJP (@BJP4India) <a href="https://twitter.com/BJP4India/status/1066902552590065665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26 November 2018</a></blockquote>
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Link: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mum...-leaders-remember-victims-heroes-of-2-1953313
 
Not in India's interest, they are quite open about it that they don't want Pakistan to prosper so negative headlines associated with that country are not only welcome, but positively cultivated. See Bollywood media and their sports policy for countless examples.
 
What about the many terrorist attacks in Pakistan supported by India?

India are using this one incident as the Americans have with the attacks in 2001. By giving the date as the name of the attacks, its looking for sympathy, pretending to the victim when itself carrying out abuses in Kashmir and planning terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

Moving on will happen when India stops it's policies of terrorism.
 
India and Pakistan haven't even moved past the partition.
 
Unless the perpetrators are punished in Pakistan,there wont be any moving on.

Considering that its near impossible,relations are unlikely to improve significantly in near future, unless something dramatic happens.
 
Let’s see you punish your terrorists first for unlawful killings in Kashmir
 
Vegitto1 said:
Let’s see you punish your terrorists first for unlawful killings in Kashmir
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That's like us asking you to punish your terrorists for the unlawful killings in Balochistan. Balochistan is not a part of India, we have nothing to do with it. Kashmir is not a part of Pakistan, you have nothing to do with it.
 
How can that be possible? That Hafeez has become a politician and even your PM has sided with him in past. So there is a growing acceptability of terrorists in Pakistan.
 
someone21 said:
How can that be possible? That Hafeez has become a politician and even your PM has sided with him in past. So there is a growing acceptability of terrorists in Pakistan.
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It’s not like Hafeez is PM of Pakistan though is it not
You have the butcher of Gujarat who has harmed more Indians than Ajmal done
 
It will never happen bcoz Pakistan will never accept that its a breeding ground for terrorists and will act against them. Just look at this thread...all about pointing fingers. Yesterday in another thread someone was equating Bal Thakrey with Bin Laden and here Modi with Hafeez Saeed :))

Pakistan and Pakistanis live in their own lala land. They believe denial of an issue will resolve all problems rather than act on it. Every neighbouring country let it be Afg or Ind accuses Pakistan on sponsoring terrorism. American President asks Pakistan to act against terror. Most of the banned terror outfit by UN has a base in Pakistan, Hafeez Saeed who is a banned terrorist by UN roaming freely, Bin Laden (worlds most dangerous terrorist) was living peacefully in Pakistan.

But rather than acknowleding this fact, Pakistanis start doing whataboutary moment you speak about terror. You speak about Taliban or Lashkar, they will say what about Shiv Sena. As if Shiv Sena is a banned terror outfit. You talk about Dawood hiding in Karachi and still running his filthy D company in Mumbai, they will say what about Kashmir? You talk about anything...they have a ready made'whataboutery'.

They will deny Bin Laden was ever found in Pakistan, they will deny Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani etc etc. Every thing is an Indian or Afghani conspiracy and Pakistan can never be wrong. This denial of facts and running away from truths is the reason Pakistan as a nation is in a state where it is today. No cricket matches, zero respect in UN, regular scoldings by US president, zero international credibility etc etc.

So I dont think we can move past Mumbai...because Pakistan will never accept the obvious that its a safe heaven for terrorists and Indians will never forget Mumbai until its perpetrators are punished.
 
Mumbai was just another instalment of an ongoing 'proxy' war between the two nations.
Peace and mutual Co-operation is never going to happen as long as there are 'Yadav' types loose and continuously attempting destabilise everything Pakistani.
 
Hitman said:
That's like us asking you to punish your terrorists for the unlawful killings in Balochistan. Balochistan is not a part of India, we have nothing to do with it. Kashmir is not a part of Pakistan, you have nothing to do with it.
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Kashmir is disputed territory, Balochistan isn't. Carry out whatever genocide you want in Assam, but Pakistan has a claim to Kashmir, the Kashmiri people want the Indian occupation to end and due to this your terrorists are killing them.
 
Braveheart said:
Mumbai was just another instalment of an ongoing 'proxy' war between the two nations.
Peace and mutual Co-operation is never going to happen as long as there are 'Yadav' types loose and continuously attempting destabilise everything Pakistani.
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You forgot Hafeez Saeed, Masood Azhar, Salahuddin, Dawood Ibrahim an dother countless names...
 
MenInG said:
A painful anniversary for all involved as lot of pain and suffering associated with this event.

Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
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What do most Pakistanis think about the 26/11 attacks?

An inside job? India deserved it ? What's the common narrative.
 
Politically it is difficult to move past it because of Pakistan's denials and unwillingness to clamp down on the terror elements. Unless we don't make political headways I don't see economic ties improving. Even had I been in Modi's place I would have expected Pak government to at least show intent in dismantling the terror infrastructure and prosecution of 26/11 perpetrators (as well as Pathankot, Gurdaspur, Uri etc).

However we should strive for cultural and sporting ties, more people to people contact. With the current state of relations the common people are going distant and developing hatred which will lead to a vicious cycle. But if relations can be strengthened between the masses, may be the goodwill will filter to the upper echelons of power and there will be more purpose shown in trying to fix the political ties. Not a fan of both countries enforcing cultural bans and especially GOI for not willing to engage in bilateral sporting ties. Sports brings people together and can be a healing touch for the common people who otherwise will be exposed to and entrapped by a steady stream of propaganda and misplaced fears/prejudice about the others from across the border.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
What do most Pakistanis think about the 26/11 attacks?

An inside job? India deserved it ? What's the common narrative.
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Since you asked, clearly an inside job. The plan was to gain sypmathy from around the world and then attack Pakistan. However Indians realised they are brown and Pakistan is a nuclear power.
 
As far as Pak is concerned the matter is closed. Hafiz was found innocent by the Pak courts, there is no way he will be extradited to India. There are many books on the subject exposing it was an inside job by RAW and Mossad to frame Pak with the ultimate aim being to seize Pak nukes. Why do Indians not want to talk about the many Pakistanis burnt alive by Hindu terrorists on the Samjhauta Express on Indian soil? If you condemn terrorism then do so altogether instead of picking and choosing incidents. I am afraid until India keeps sending terrorists like Kulbushan and Sarbjit that the likes of Ajit Doval admit themselves there can be no peace with them.
 
India still has to tell the world who killed Hemant Karkare and why was he killed?. India is clearly hiding the truth.
 
PakLFC said:
As far as Pak is concerned the matter is closed. Hafiz was found innocent by the Pak courts, there is no way he will be extradited to India. There are many books on the subject exposing it was an inside job by RAW and Mossad to frame Pak with the ultimate aim being to seize Pak nukes. Why do Indians not want to talk about the many Pakistanis burnt alive by Hindu terrorists on the Samjhauta Express on Indian soil? If you condemn terrorism then do so altogether instead of picking and choosing incidents. I am afraid until India keeps sending terrorists like Kulbushan and Sarbjit that the likes of Ajit Doval admit themselves there can be no peace with them.
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It’s a fair point [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Please answer
 
Looking at this thread, it seems like nothing would change. India will keep their war mongering attitude. Imran khan will keep pressing for peace.
I don't think it would change.

India commemorates Mumbai attacks yet sponsors Terrorism in Balochistan and KPK (APS Peshawar). How can this hypocrisy be treated? I don't think it can.
 
In order for there to be peace both sides have to compromise. That could be in terms of family, country or friendship. There is no way on earth that India can have everything their own way understand that clearly. First bring justice to the victims of Samjhauta Exoress or hand over those Hindu terrorists responsiible to us. Stop terrorism in Pak through Afghanistan as well then perhaps we can sit and talk. India needs to understand that Pak will never be intimidated by cheap Indian threats.
 
MenInG said:
A painful anniversary for all involved as lot of pain and suffering associated with this event.

Can India Pak relations ever recover from the results of this tragedy?
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NO. Well maybe if that idiot Rahul Gandhi comes to power. I hope not.
 
PakLFC said:
In order for there to be peace both sides have to compromise. That could be in terms of family, country or friendship. There is no way on earth that India can have everything their own way understand that clearly. First bring justice to the victims of Samjhauta Exoress or hand over those Hindu terrorists responsiible to us. Stop terrorism in Pak through Afghanistan as well then perhaps we can sit and talk. India needs to understand that Pak will never be intimidated by cheap Indian threats.
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Please take this whatever swami bloke is. too many holymen india. One less should not be a problem.
 
Best case scenario IMO is Pak to ignore India and vice versa. Both countries have enough problems on their own and resources to tackle those problems.

As some one pointed out, for every person wanting normalization, there is 2 who want exact opposite, mainly becos of the person wanting normalization. bit like being quick sand. more you struggle to get out faster you sink.

when everyday life is not a struggle for bulk of the population in both countries, then we can talk about normalization
 
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Meant that if it were up to me, I would ship the swami assenand bloke (accused in the Samhouta bombing) over in a heartbeat
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Assuming you are an Indian it's your government who has to admit to instigating terrorism in Pak. That is the problem with most Indians that when shown the mirror of being the perpetrators or terrorism their silence is deafening. Indians accuse Pakistanis of conspiracy theories but in the case of the Samjhauta Express Pakistanis were burnt alive on Indian soil The likes of Ajit Doval openly admit to secretly living in Pakistan for many years. The only conspiracy theories are India being in complete denial.
 
The silence of Indians on this thread on questions asked about Samjhauta express bomb blasts, and 26/11 inside operations by RSS could give rise to valid suspicions.
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freelance_cricketer said:
The silence of Indians on this thread on questions asked about Samjhauta express bomb blasts, and 26/11 inside operations by RSS could give rise to valid suspicions.

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We know hardline nationalist radicals in India bombed targets to lay blame on Muslims to start a conflict between neighbours before the Mumbai attacks. I sympathise with the people who died in all these tragidies but there are many things pointing towards a different narrative of events.
 
KingKhanWC said:
We know hardline nationalist radicals in India bombed targets to lay blame on Muslims to start a conflict between neighbours before the Mumbai attacks. I sympathise with the people who died in all these tragidies but there are many things pointing towards a different narrative of events.
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Thanks bro. It shows your empathy towards the suffering of people regardless of their faith and nationality. If only others acknowledged that side of you.
 
ahmedzee said:
Looking at this thread, it seems like nothing would change. India will keep their war mongering attitude. Imran khan will keep pressing for peace.
I don't think it would change.

India commemorates Mumbai attacks yet sponsors Terrorism in Balochistan and KPK (APS Peshawar). How can this hypocrisy be treated? I don't think it can.
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Lol Vajpayee tried it multiple times ,Kargil war didn't happen out of the blue but just after he put out a hand for peace.
 
JaDed said:
Lol Vajpayee tried it multiple times ,Kargil war didn't happen out of the blue but just after he put out a hand for peace.
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We can go back 70 years in finger pointing. Question is, what can be done to have peace right now. Who is stalling it and who isn't. It is pretty clear to me.
 
pmahones said:
So a Palestinian who has never been to india writes a book on the worst terrorist attack in India as a an inside job. the same also wrote a book about 9/11 being an inside job.

you buy this crap? the phrase gullible comes to mind. his primary motive seems to defuse terrorist activities of muslims.
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I don't believe in the nonsense that your media spews either. Does not matter if or not someone has visited India or not as he is still entitled to an opinion. You have still not told the world who killed Hemant Karkare and why Ajmal was calling out to "bhagwan"? We know that your Hindu terror loving butcher PM and other Hindu terrorists in India have the blood of thousands on their hands from Gujarat to IoK and Pakistan as well.
 
It would be a good start if India got over it's obsession with Hafiz Saeed. The Pak court has found him innocent, case closed. In any country the court has the final say. If the Indian supreme court decided to build Ram Temple than that has to be respected as well.
 
Will this help?

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An anti-terrorism court in Pakistan has awarded over 15 years jail term in a terror-financing case to a main handler of deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks.
"An anti-terrorism court in Lahore early this month had handed down over 15 years jail term to Sajid Majeed Mir, an activist of banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), on a terror financing case," a senior lawyer associated with terror financing cases of LeT and Jamaat-ud-Dawa leaders told PTI on Friday.

The Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) of the Punjab Police, which often issues conviction of the suspects in such cases to the media, did not notify Mir's conviction in a terror-financing case.

Besides, since it was an in-camera proceeding at jail, the media was not allowed.

The lawyer further said convict Mir, who is in mid 40s, has been in the Kot Lakhpat jail since his arrest this April. He said the court also imposed a fine of over ₹ 400,000 on the convict.

Earlier, it was assumed that Mir was dead.

Before the last meeting of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), Pakistan reportedly told the agency that it had arrested and prosecuted Sajid Mir in order to seek its removal from the FATF 'Grey list'.

Sajid Mir, who has a bounty of USD 5 Million is in India's most wanted list for his role in the 26/11 Mumbai attacks that left 166 people dead.

Mir was called "project manager" of the Mumbai attacks. Mir reportedly had visited India in 2005 using a fake passport in a fake name.

Mumbai terror attacks alleged mastermind and JuD chief Hafiz Saeed has already been sentenced for 68 years imprisonment in terror financing cases by the Lahore ATC.

The sentence is running concurrently, which means he will not have to spend many years in jail.

Mumbai attack operation commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi is also convicted for several years in jail. Both Saeed and Maki are also in Kot Lapkhapt jail in Lahore.

Saeed, a UN-designated terrorist on whom the US has placed a USD 10 million bounty, was arrested on July 2019 in the terror financing cases.

Saeed-led JuD is the front organisation for the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) which is responsible for carrying out the 2008 Mumbai attack that also left six Americans dead.

The US Department of the Treasury has designated Saeed as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist.

The global terror financing watchdog Financial Action Task Force (FATF) is instrumental in pushing Islamabad to take measures against terrorists roaming freely in Pakistan and using its territory to carry out attacks in India.

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The FATF had placed Pakistan on the grey list in June 2018 and asked Islamabad to implement a plan of action to curb money laundering.


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mas...n-pakistan-3098587#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
 
Instead of directly looking for normal relationship, both countries need to hit pause and avoid meddling into each other matters for few decades. It might be possible entirely, but they should have try to minimize it and evaluate it after that.
 
India has mostly moved away from Pakistan in the last few years. There is anyways no trade or investment between the 2 countries. I think its actually in the best interests of both nation. Instead of starting another round of Aman ki Asha - only for another 26/11 to happen and crash all hopes of peace

India's current foreign minister Subramanian Jaishankar has always advocated for policy of no engagement with Pakistan. Frankly I don't see any problems with that. I hope Pakistan also gets on with life. May be forge better ties with Iran , Turkey and Central Asia for trade and investment just like India has focused heavily on Bangladesh and South east Asia in recent years.

May be there can be some back channel discussions on areas of mutual interest like LOC ceasefire, water sharing , stop covert support to terror acts in each other's territory ( Kashmir and Balochistan). That wud be in best interests of each other.

When 2 people don't get along - its best to completely avoid each other !

Of course we can enjoy the cricket when we play each other in ICC events and the music / movies. And remember how we once used to be brothers - now torn apart by politicians and religious extremists :P
 
Well I think after India killed 70k Pakistani I can safely say they should have moved on by now..
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Indo-Pakistan trade is not a massive one, won't effects both the countries on a broader scale.
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That's the point. China and Taiwan has hundred billion dollar trade and investment + millions of tourist inflow each way + heavy cultural exchange inspite of all their troubles. Bcoz both sides prioritized economic well being of their citizens

India and Pakistan have nothing to do with each other. We have no trade , investment , tourism . So what's the point of having any friendly ties. Only for Coke Studio and Bollywood ? Which we are anyways enjoying on either side via YouTube and Netflix

Even after 75 years we are nowhere close to any peace and harmony and I doubt there will be anything better in the next 75. There is no point in blame games. Both sides will say the other side is guilty. So best solution is ignore each side and get on with life
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Indo-Pakistan trade is not a massive one, won't effects both the countries on a broader scale.
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Not from our perspective but from Pakistan’s perspective it is pretty important. No matter how much Pakistan wants to point out differences, our staple diet, culture etc are the same and the huge need is obviously there for Indian goods.

Obviously if they don’t want trade minus pharmaceuticals from India,it’s their problem.I don’t mean that as a dig, issues shouldn’t come in the way of life saving medicine.

It’s weird India and China have a more serious ongoing conflict right now but don’t think a lot has changed in terms of trade except banning the odd Chinese app which is probably chump change in the larger scheme of things. Not an apples to apples comparison.

However Pakistan doesn’t want to trade because of removal of article 370 it’s their personal prerogative.
 
the Great Khan said:
Well I think after India killed 70k Pakistani I can safely say they should have moved on by now..
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Absolutely. Remember that after those events and the removal of article 370, it was Pakistan that has banned Indian trade not the other way round. Given the message sent by our PM when ex-PM Imran had Covid and later when Shebaz Sharif was appointed in his place, once again it was a cordial greeting so onus is clearly on Pakistan as based on that seems like India has definitely moved on.

I am obviously assuming here that is what you meant as it was very vague.
 
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