Can India learn how to play spin from Pakistan?

[Pakprideuk]

Watching this test match, a lot of Indian batsman have been out LBW and a common theme is the bat hiding behind the pad, including Kohli who would have been out on review. We've seen Pakistan in the UAE employ a new technique due to the DRS coming into force which is to bat with the bat in front of the pad.

This reduces the chances of LBW because you're always using the bat and also you're less likely to be out bat-pad.

Thoughts?

 

[akki]

bhai ek hi match haare hai sadiyo baad india me....hojata hai kbhi....n.o 1 team hai still....everything got against us in this match....and vice versa for aussies......congrates to them.....pakistan kaha se agya....they are not even top 3 team...

 

[Big Mac]

It's not just Pakistan, every country realised that you had to stop playing with the bat next to the pad years ago.

India have simply batted like idiots in this game.

 

[Varun]

Yes, let's learn from the team who shelled a test to the West Indies.

 

[jog_1]

We've collapsed many times to the likes of Herath, Bishoo, etc in recent times. We're good players of spin, but stuff goes bad sometimes. India will bounce back.

 

[ethan hunt]

Yes, let's learn from the team who shelled a test to the West Indies.

Tbf westindies might just be more competent in these conditions based on recent history .

 

[dhump]

Pakistan is no better stop trolling....

We are good at collapsing against anyone any day.

 

[Shafi]

We gave North 6 wickets in his mediocre spin!!!! There are plenty of examples that we failed miserably to part timers (Alok Kapali Hattrick).
Stop making these threads and make fool of yourself.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan has not been tested on a rank-turner for years, and the likes of Tahir, Bishoo, Rashid, Craig, Herath etc. have all destroyed us over the years on much flatter tracks than this.

Apart from Younis and Sarfraz, no one in the Pakistan lineup has the game to survive on a rank-turner.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, let's learn from the team who shelled a test to the West Indies.

A dead rubber which was a fluke. India being horrible against spin, for a subcontinent side, has become routine. Moeen Ali, Nathan Lyon, the South African "spinners", Swann and Monty and now O'Keefe. All these guys have trounced them in the last four years.

 

[Bilal7]

India could definitely use some coaching sessions run by Younis Khan right now. He absolutely gave zero respect to the Kangaroos last time they entered the real fortress of the UAE and gave them a proper thrashing.

 

[syed abbas]

India should learn to play spin from Australia.

 

[Buffet]

India should learn to play spin from Australia.

A top comment here

 

[Mamoon]

India could definitely use some coaching sessions run by Younis Khan right now. He absolutely gave zero respect to the Kangaroos last time they entered the real fortress of the UAE and gave them a proper thrashing.

Younis is quality against spin, but yeah let's ignore the difference between the Pune rank-turner and the UAE roads.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It's not just Pakistan, every country realised that you had to stop playing with the bat next to the pad years ago.

India have simply batted like idiots in this game.

Yeah....made me pull my hair out.

How hard is it to understand?

Bat in FRONT of pad.

 

[Adil_94]

Apart from Sarfraz and Younis rest of our players arenr world class against spin they do benefit from benign UAE tracks. Cant remember the last time we got a turner in a UAE Test they are all flat tracks that start turning a little on Day 4/5. We arent some experts on rank turners.

 

[Bilal7]

Younis is quality against spin, but yeah let's ignore the difference between the Pune rank-turner and the UAE roads.

You think Younis wouldn't have bossed his way to a 150 on this pitch? He's easily the best batsman in the world against spin, despite being 40 years of age. Arguably a top ten batsman against spin ever.

 

[Mamoon]

You think Younis wouldn't have bossed his way to a 150 on this pitch? He's easily the best batsman in the world against spin, despite being 40 years of age. Arguably a top ten batsman against spin ever.

He may or may not have, but using the 2014 UAE series as an example is irrelevant because it was not played on a rank-turner.

 

[Pollack]

They learnt how to collapse like Pakistan already. No more learnings.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

India could get o'keefe in their nets to learn spin at best

 

[Bilal7]

He may or may not have, but using the 2014 UAE series as an example is irrelevant because it was not played on a rank-turner.

I'm not. Younis Khan didn't debut in 2010.

 

[LastManstanding]

When was the last time Pakistan played on a rank turner?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

When was the last time Pakistan played on a rank turner?

Probably the Galle Test against Sri Lanka in 2016. It was the first test but the other 2 pitches didn't spin as much iirc

 

[Protea Fan]

Why pakistan the current indian team can learn from their predecessor like sachin,sehwag and laxman who mastered their game against quality spinners

 

[srh]

Pakistan is obviously better in playing spin than India.

 

[Syed1]

Yeah....made me pull my hair out.

How hard is it to understand?

Bat in FRONT of pad.

Easier to type it then to actually do it. There were like four fielders in the batsman's eye-line and if you are not sure about how much the ball is spinning or bouncing then playing with bat infront of pad will result in an edge and a lobbed catch to those fielders nine times out of ten.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Easier to type it then to actually do it. There were like four fielders in the batsman's eye-line and if you are not sure about how much the ball is spinning or bouncing then playing with bat infront of pad will result in an edge and a lobbed catch to those fielders nine times out of ten.

Australians did it. English bats did it.

Whole world bats like this in post DRS era. If you can't bat like that, you are dead duck on such pitches.

There were like four fielders in the batsman's eye-line and if you are not sure about how much the ball is spinning or bouncing then playing with bat infront of pad will result in an edge and a lobbed catch to those fielders nine times out of ten

If bat is behind pads, there are 3 scenarios:

1. Ball spins a lot - You escape
2. Ball spins a little - You are in trouble - 50-50 chance depending on the amount of turn
3. Ball goes straight - You are 100% out every single time

So your odds of getting out is like very very high. The ball just has to land on the leather in which case, it will not turn and you will be rapped on the pads.

Add in O Keefe who doesn't spin big and you have got a massacre in your hands.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Actually only 2 of our batsmen were out due to bat behind pads in the last innings.

Rest were out due to playing for spin.

But the point stands.

 

[mhraja]

We have made so many part time spinners look world class. I think we should be teaching anyone anything at the moment.

Long gone those days when we had Inzimam, Yousaf, Younis as our middle order.

 

[Big Mac]

Easier to type it then to actually do it. There were like four fielders in the batsman's eye-line and if you are not sure about how much the ball is spinning or bouncing then playing with bat infront of pad will result in an edge and a lobbed catch to those fielders nine times out of ten.

You've got it the other way round, when fielders are around the bat then it's even more important to get the bat out in front of the pad.

Much harder for the man at short leg to take chances that comes off nothing but bat because they generally travel much faster than a bat-pad chance.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We collapsed against Mark Craig of all people. What are you bragging about?