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Can Pakistan make a strong comeback in the remaining games and go on to win the World Cup?

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A lot of drama going on right now, could this be the turning point?

We normally tend to start slow, reach a new low and come back strong.

Could we meet India again in semi finals or finals and upset them and lift the cup?

Is this really the repeat of 1992?

What you guys say?
 
Highly unlikely, although anything is possible in the game.
 
Only Pakistan can have a turnaround like that, so perhaps.
 
In PC game they can. Realistically it less than 1% of probablity

I want England or Australia to lift this WC. India is also strong contender but i would love to see them crash out in knock out stages..
 
cricguru said:
In PC game they can. Realistically it less than 1% of probablity

I want England or Australia to lift this WC. India is also strong contender but i would love to see them crash out in knock out stages..
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Lolz. So much hatred.
 
If they can somehow reach the semis, they will win the cup.
 
If there's one team capable of turning this around it's Pakistan. At their most dangerous when people have written them off, Pakistani players have the swag and the ability to pull off incredible performances that make you wonder how they did it? Also this is exactly how Pakistan had to qualify in 92, same format , same 2 new ball rule etc.
 
With unpredictable that team Pakistan is, I say there's a possibility. It is a thin one, but it is there. No other team can come from this position.

But Pakistan has done that again and again. So I won't be surprised if they do.
 
Its Pakistan, so any thing can happen.

But going by their performance in this series, the only team I expect them to beat easily is Afghanistan.

NZ will win against Pakistan.

Against BD, it 60:40 in Pakistan's favour. Let me explain BD fans!

If this game was in Asia, it would have 70:30 in BD's favour. In England, BD batting is strong enough to handle Pak bowling and setup a decent score or chase a decent target. But BD pace bowling (and over reliance on spin) means that Pakistan may set up a very tough target or allow Pak top 3 to chase confortably. So, slightly in Pak's favour.

Against SA, its 50:50. You just dont know which Pak will show up, or which one SA player will have a match of thier life.

So, my prediction. Pakistan will end up on 7 points.
 
Impossible now given the inzi sponsored grouping have come into full view.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
If there's one team capable of turning this around it's Pakistan. At their most dangerous when people have written them off, Pakistani players have the swag and the ability to pull off incredible performances that make you wonder how they did it? Also this is exactly how Pakistan had to qualify in 92, same format , same 2 new ball rule etc.
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In 92 we had wasim aqib imran mushtaq
who we have now Sarfaraz Immad Shadab Wahab Hassan
not even one member of this squad would make the 92 squad
and tbh sarfaraz has given up too and so has the team
the only thing i want from this world cup is India not winning it and i don't think so it will happen either
dreadful time to be Pakistan and Arsenal fan
I will try my level best to give up on sports following
just a bit too much for me
 
Not this Pakistan team for sure. Our players doesn't have any passion. Our team can even loose next 4 matches because these players don't know how to recover. Other teams improve with time and accustom with environment but its go opposite for our team.
Hopefully after the WC we will have a better team.
 
Deewana said:
In 92 we had wasim aqib imran mushtaq
who we have now Sarfaraz Immad Shadab Wahab Hassan
not even one member of this squad would make the 92 squad
and tbh sarfaraz has given up too and so has the team
the only thing i want from this world cup is India not winning it and i don't think so it will happen either
dreadful time to be Pakistan and Arsenal fan
I will try my level best to give up on sports following
just a bit too much for me
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No its 4 players from this pathetic lot. Babar, Fakhar, Sarfraz and Amir who are better than S Malik, Sohail, Moin and Aquib.
 
If Australia win two more matches (out of four), they will be on 12 points.
In India wins three more matches (out of five), they will be on 13 points
If England wins three more matches (out of five), they will be on 12 points.
If New Zealand wins three more matches (out of five), they will be on 13 points.

Now, even if Pakistan wins its remaining four matches, they will only end up on 11 points. So there is no point deluding yourself with complicated permutations and combinations.
 
Pakistan, despite what people think, at the moment, still have a realistic chance of qualifying for the semis, as long as they WIN their remaining four games and the result of NZ matches are favourable.
NZ can not win more tha 1 of their last 5 matches!
Not as far fetched as it sounds!
NZ have to play england and aussies, which i think they will lose both matches.
NZ have to play pak, a must win game for pak(very difficult for pak to win but not impossible)
That leaves 2 games for NZ, against WI and SA.
They need to lose one of these games!
Possible?!!
Or at least one of these games being a washout(shared point)
The rain must not affect any of paks matches or any of NZ matches except for the WI or SA match.
The weather for tomorrows game between NZ vs SA looks fine, so we need a SA win hopefully!
 
Captain caveman said:
Pakistan, despite what people think, at the moment, still have a realistic chance of qualifying for the semis, as long as they WIN their remaining four games and the result of NZ matches are favourable.
NZ can not win more tha 1 of their last 5 matches!
Not as far fetched as it sounds!
NZ have to play england and aussies, which i think they will lose both matches.
NZ have to play pak, a must win game for pak(very difficult for pak to win but not impossible)
That leaves 2 games for NZ, against WI and SA.
They need to lose one of these games!
Possible?!!
Or at least one of these games being a washout(shared point)
The rain must not affect any of paks matches or any of NZ matches except for the WI or SA match.
The weather for tomorrows game between NZ vs SA looks fine, so we need a SA win hopefully!
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Pak have a much easier run in than NZ!
SA, NZ, bangladesh and afghanistan
 
They have beaten tournament favourites England so if any team can come and win the whole tournament it’s Pakistan, they have the bowlers and bowlers wins you matches. Batsmen will have an off day and Pakistani bowlers haven’t fired up yet, whoever is the next time will be blown apart when real Wahab shows up. I am more afraid of a fired up Wahab than a fired up Amir.
 
Pakistan are cornered tigers. They can defeat any team on their day.

When they can absolutely demolish and humiliate England in their own home, others like NZ can only imagine the hurt coming their way.
 
Guys, please stop this nonsense.

The team is mentally shot. We won’t beat SA & BD. It’s over.

Look forward to life after this WC.
 
This is the turning point but for the worst

Expect a complete surrender in rest of the games.
 
Captain caveman said:
Pakistan, despite what people think, at the moment, still have a realistic chance of qualifying for the semis, as long as they WIN their remaining four games and the result of NZ matches are favourable.
NZ can not win more tha 1 of their last 5 matches!
Not as far fetched as it sounds!
NZ have to play england and aussies, which i think they will lose both matches.
NZ have to play pak, a must win game for pak(very difficult for pak to win but not impossible)
That leaves 2 games for NZ, against WI and SA.
They need to lose one of these games!
Possible?!!
Or at least one of these games being a washout(shared point)
The rain must not affect any of paks matches or any of NZ matches except for the WI or SA match.
The weather for tomorrows game between NZ vs SA looks fine, so we need a SA win hopefully!
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Pakistan are done, they won’t win more than 1 more game
 
Guys we can’t rule out the similarities between 1992 and this World Cup, I seriously think Pakistan will win this World Cup. But for their sake hope they don’t have to face India in the semis, it will be over.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Guys we can’t rule out the similarities between 1992 and this World Cup, I seriously think Pakistan will win this World Cup. But for their sake hope they don’t have to face India in the semis, it will be over.
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Stop this none sense FGS
 
I don't think they can there looks to be severe infighting by the looks of it.

Sarfy knows his days are numbered.
 
It happens once in a blue moon not in every tournament. So i doubt it will happen this time even though I would love to see my team going all the way.
 
It's not about Can they, at this point in time and after all that which has come out on media it's more like do they even want to qualify? if all players are really up for it and play with unity and nothing to lose no fear approach, even this mediocre Pak team can pull of the unthinkable, right now it seem like they are more interested in getting back home as soon as possible than giving it their all on the pitch, I have realistically given up, not due to the talent but they intentions and lack of interest and lack of team unity.
 
Zeshan547 said:
It's not about Can they, at this point in time and after all that which has come out on media it's more like do they even want to qualify? if all players are really up for it and play with unity and nothing to lose no fear approach, even this mediocre Pak team can pull of the unthinkable, right now it seem like they are more interested in getting back home as soon as possible than giving it their all on the pitch, I have realistically given up, not due to the talent but they intentions and lack of interest and lack of team unity.
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This team is not mediocre!
They are carrying a couple of dead weights i.e. malik and hasan, replace them with haris and hasnain and you have a strong team!
 
DeadlyYorker said:
It is not about writing off, its about other teams having to lose matches in order for pak to qualify...

Nz will easily beat pak and one of eng/aus
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I predict NZ to lose to england, australia and pakistan!
Just need one of SA or WI to upset NZ or for one of these games to be washed out!
 
Captain caveman said:
Experience has shown that you write pakistan off at your peril!
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Experience has shown that Pakistan performs once or twice in a generation, cherishes that performance till the next generation takes the wheel and repeat the cycle.

This team with its roaring lion of a captain is going home with it's name at the bottom of the table.
 
Deewana said:
In 92 we had wasim aqib imran mushtaq
who we have now Sarfaraz Immad Shadab Wahab Hassan
not even one member of this squad would make the 92 squad
and tbh sarfaraz has given up too and so has the team
the only thing i want from this world cup is India not winning it and i don't think so it will happen either
dreadful time to be Pakistan and Arsenal fan
I will try my level best to give up on sports following
just a bit too much for me
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I watched every pak game of the 92 wc live on tv!
I am telling you this team is much, much stronger than the 92 team!
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Hafeez
Amir
Wahab
Husnain
Would all walk into the 92 team!
amir sohail, ramiz raja, saleem malk, imran khan(40 yesrs old playing only due to pain killer injections), aquib javed , moin khan,tauseef ahmed, asif mujtabe,zahid faisal, all could not make this current team!
Only, miandad, inzi, akram, mushi could make it into this current team!
 
Is it unlikely? Yes.

It is impossible? No.

Only these two answers, the rest is masala talk and your level of faith / fantasies.
 
Sidilicious said:
Its Pakistan, so any thing can happen.

But going by their performance in this series, the only team I expect them to beat easily is Afghanistan.

NZ will win against Pakistan.
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Why so confident against New Zealand? They've been a much better ODI side than Pakistan for a long time, and they'll be under less pressure than Pakistan in that game (which will allow NZ to play more naturally). I see NZ beating Pakistan comprehensively.

They have a better batting line-up, bowling line-up and are a better fielding side.

Who in the Pakistan XI would make the NZ XI?

Maybe Amir for Henry/Southee with the ball. I'd take Boult and Ferguson ahead of any other Pakistan pacers. No Pakistani spinners are displacing Santner (who has as good as control as any ODI spinner going around atm).

On the batting front, Babar for Munro, but no one else is displacing Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, or Latham (who i'd prefer as keeper to Sarf). I'd prefer Neesham as an all-rounder over The professor too.

So maybe 2-3 Pakistani players at best would make the NZ side, yet you think Pakistan will beat them?

This isn't like 1992, when NZ only had 1 class player in Martin Crowe, and Pakistan had several in Miandad, Imran, Mushtaq, Inzi, & Wasim. NZ have 4-5 world class players at the moment.
 
The road ahead is extremely steep for Pak. The upcoming New Zealand v/s South Africa match could be very interesting for Pak.

If New Zealand wins then it is more or less curtains for Pak since NZ would need only 1 more win from their remaining 4 games, which they can easily achieve by making short meat of West Indies. Thereafter, they'll just need to keep their NRR above water, not a tough ask given that they are the penultimate opponent of Australia & last opponents of England. If latter teams have already qualified then most likely they'll field their reserve 11 against NZ. In which case, NZ can even beat them & go past 11 points completely putting NRR out of picture.

However, if South Africa wins against NZ then they would probably achieve 2nd wind. They would know that they are back in the reckoning & couple of more wins against Pak & Australia can see them in the semis (I am already assuming that they'll win against SL). Another benefit for them is that they play Australia last on the final day of the round robin league. And again, if Australia already qualifies then expect Warner, Finch, Smith, Starc, Cummins to sit out in which case it'll be easy again for South Africa. With this assumption, they would know that Pak is the only team that stands between them & Semis. Expect them to come very very hard on Sunday.

Any way, interesting times ahead.
 
Snatch said:
Why so confident against New Zealand? They've been a much better ODI side than Pakistan for a long time, and they'll be under less pressure than Pakistan in that game (which will allow NZ to play more naturally). I see NZ beating Pakistan comprehensively.

They have a better batting line-up, bowling line-up and are a better fielding side.

Who in the Pakistan XI would make the NZ XI?

Maybe Amir for Henry/Southee with the ball. I'd take Boult and Ferguson ahead of any other Pakistan pacers. No Pakistani spinners are displacing Santner (who has as good as control as any ODI spinner going around atm).

On the batting front, Babar for Munro, but no one else is displacing Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, or Latham (who i'd prefer as keeper to Sarf). I'd prefer Neesham as an all-rounder over The professor too.

So maybe 2-3 Pakistani players at best would make the NZ side, yet you think Pakistan will beat them?

This isn't like 1992, when NZ only had 1 class player in Martin Crowe, and Pakistan had several in Miandad, Imran, Mushtaq, Inzi, & Wasim. NZ have 4-5 world class players at the moment.
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NZ are a wonderful odi team with wonderful players.
But this is a one off, effectively a knock out game, anything can happen!
We beat england, who are better than NZ, but we lost to WI , who are far below NZ!
Like i said, anything can happen in a one off game!
 
Ganju Baba said:
Experience has shown that Pakistan performs once or twice in a generation, cherishes that performance till the next generation takes the wheel and repeat the cycle.

This team with its roaring lion of a captain is going home with it's name at the bottom of the table.
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Maybe!
But until its mathematically impossible to progress to the semi, theres always a chance!
 
Captain caveman said:
Maybe!
But until its mathematically impossible to progress to the semi, theres always a chance!
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Good for you mate.

Had I been a Pakistani fan I would have had asked for accountability from the entire team and management instead of imagining that a much stronger, unbeatable so far NZ will lose all its matches and Pak which has won just a single match so far will win all its matches.


If you think getting thrashed by India did no psychological damage to a fragmented team like PCT then I don't know what to say.

Anyways I am rooting for Pak. If there is any chance that India and Pak can meet in SF then everyone would be happy. Pak for reaching the SF and India for facing them in the same SF.
 
Tough matches are over for Pakistan now easy games left. There is no reason why they can't win all the remaining games from here on in.

As long as they haven't given up hope they can still win the world cup.
 
1) Our 2 strike bowlers need to remember NOT to run down the middle of the pitch, then start to question this with the umpire... The game will be lost there and then.

2) Fileders need to look up a split second before throwing the ball back in (to the correct end)

3) This may be old fashioned but wicket keeper needs to shout to the fielder which end to throw it.

4)Batsmen need to remember to hold a bat, try not to block there way to a defeat.

Actually all the above is school level common sense.... We're doomed.
 
ab041937 said:
The road ahead is extremely steep for Pak. The upcoming New Zealand v/s South Africa match could be very interesting for Pak.

If New Zealand wins then it is more or less curtains for Pak since NZ would need only 1 more win from their remaining 4 games, which they can easily achieve by making short meat of West Indies. Thereafter, they'll just need to keep their NRR above water, not a tough ask given that they are the penultimate opponent of Australia & last opponents of England. If latter teams have already qualified then most likely they'll field their reserve 11 against NZ. In which case, NZ can even beat them & go past 11 points completely putting NRR out of picture.

However, if South Africa wins against NZ then they would probably achieve 2nd wind. They would know that they are back in the reckoning & couple of more wins against Pak & Australia can see them in the semis (I am already assuming that they'll win against SL). Another benefit for them is that they play Australia last on the final day of the round robin league. And again, if Australia already qualifies then expect Warner, Finch, Smith, Starc, Cummins to sit out in which case it'll be easy again for South Africa. With this assumption, they would know that Pak is the only team that stands between them & Semis. Expect them to come very very hard on Sunday.

Any way, interesting times ahead.
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This is not how professional teams think.
Even if aussies and england qualify before playing NZ, they will want to keep the momentum going and will be playing for the win. They will be under less pressure than NZ, if NZ havent qualifed by then.
Also aussies vs NZ is a derby match, no way aussies taking their foot off the pedal.
Also, both england and aus may have to face NZ in the semis, so they would want the psycologicsl advantage of beating them a few days before the semis!
 
Yep we are still in it. We have a strong team just not mentally there. Replace one/two non-performers and hit the throttles hard.

If top four teams made it easily then it's just another boring WC.
 
This team cannot even do the basics so little hope for a recovery. Our NRR is appalling too, so any 1992 comparisons are clutching at straws.
 
Captain caveman said:
This is not how professional teams think.
Even if aussies and england qualify before playing NZ, they will want to keep the momentum going and will be playing for the win. They will be under less pressure than NZ, if NZ havent qualifed by then.
Also aussies vs NZ is a derby match, no way aussies taking their foot off the pedal.
Also, both england and aus may have to face NZ in the semis, so they would want the psycologicsl advantage of beating them a few days before the semis!
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It is pretty likely that by the time Australia, India or England play their last matches, their respective standing in the top 3 is already decided & the scramble is only for the 4th spot which they would be least bothered about. It wouldn't make sense for them to risk injury to their gun players before the knockouts begin. I can guarantee this that if India has already qualified before 6th July then you'll see India take on SL minus Virat, Bhuvi, Bumrah, Rohit, & Dhoni. Captaincy will be handled by Dinesh Karthik. Australia & England would do the same.
 
Pretty much no chance, if I'm being honest.

Outside of England, India, Australia and New Zealand, the only other team that has a realistic chance of making it to the SF is Bangladesh.
 
No, they will not Pakistan may lose three out of next four matches quite easily.
 
Snatch said:
Why so confident against New Zealand? They've been a much better ODI side than Pakistan for a long time, and they'll be under less pressure than Pakistan in that game (which will allow NZ to play more naturally). I see NZ beating Pakistan comprehensively.

They have a better batting line-up, bowling line-up and are a better fielding side.

Who in the Pakistan XI would make the NZ XI?

Maybe Amir for Henry/Southee with the ball. I'd take Boult and Ferguson ahead of any other Pakistan pacers. No Pakistani spinners are displacing Santner (who has as good as control as any ODI spinner going around atm).

On the batting front, Babar for Munro, but no one else is displacing Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, or Latham (who i'd prefer as keeper to Sarf). I'd prefer Neesham as an all-rounder over The professor too.

So maybe 2-3 Pakistani players at best would make the NZ side, yet you think Pakistan will beat them?

This isn't like 1992, when NZ only had 1 class player in Martin Crowe, and Pakistan had several in Miandad, Imran, Mushtaq, Inzi, & Wasim. NZ have 4-5 world class players at the moment.
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Bhai, read my line carefully. I said NZ will win against Pakistan.
 
ScotRaz said:
1) Our 2 strike bowlers need to remember NOT to run down the middle of the pitch, then start to question this with the umpire... The game will be lost there and then.

2) Fileders need to look up a split second before throwing the ball back in (to the correct end)

3) This may be old fashioned but wicket keeper needs to shout to the fielder which end to throw it.

4)Batsmen need to remember to hold a bat, try not to block there way to a defeat.

Actually all the above is school level common sense.... We're doomed.
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How is it old fashioned? It is the basics of Wicketkeeping. I still do it in games I play. This should be expected out of Sarfaraz. Though I think he is already doing it.
 
Never in a million years will they comeback and win the wc from this position in the table. Will they even qualifier for last 4? Highly unlikely. So the thread should be deleted or edited. Can they make a comback to finish top 4? That’s slightly realistic.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
If there's one team capable of turning this around it's Pakistan. At their most dangerous when people have written them off, Pakistani players have the swag and the ability to pull off incredible performances that make you wonder how they did it? Also this is exactly how Pakistan had to qualify in 92, same format , same 2 new ball rule etc.
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I like you better when you're not trolling lol
 
If it happens though, Sarfraz will remain captain and Mickey Arthur as coach for 2023.

They just need to hit semi finals.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If it happens though, Sarfraz will remain captain and Mickey Arthur as coach for 2023.

They just need to hit semi finals.
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Pretty much. Unless they win it it'd be best for all if we get knocked out.
 
They need to win every single game and its definitely possible with the teams remaining. But its also definitely possible they can lose to all of them.
 
If they win, it will be the greatest comeback in the history of cricket, even better than your 1992 victory.
 
No.

The team is mentally shot. Every team, bar Afghanistan, looks a level above us. Harsh, but true.
 
It always astounds me how Pakistan fans will cling onto hope even in the face of logic. Not only that but there are many Indian posters here who are entertaining the notion, although probably just being generous.

Let it go guys, this team is performing as expected, although I would have thought the bowling might have turned up, but seems like even their abilities were overblown.

A couple of wins against NZ, South Africa and BD would be a decent consolation for me. Even that is asking a lot.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Lets have over 70% fans rooting for pak and only 10% for ind and see how they do.

We are all human.
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There were about 95% of us rooting for Pakistan Against West Indies and Australia. That didn't go our way did it? Stop making lame excuses. This team is useless against most sides at this world cup.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Lets have over 70% fans rooting for pak and only 10% for ind and see how they do.

We are all human.
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This is like the chicken and egg problem.

Which came first? The poor performance of the team or the reduction in the turnout of fans?

What a headspinner! :viru
 
Sidilicious said:
How is it old fashioned? It is the basics of Wicketkeeping. I still do it in games I play. This should be expected out of Sarfaraz. Though I think he is already doing it.
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I said it was old fashioned because when they messed up the runout chance for Rohit, I'm sure the commentators said something like "do keepers still shout to which end to throw it these days" or something like that.
 
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