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Can Shadab Khan make the number 4 batting position in T20Is his own?

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He has come in and is playing NZ bowlers like they are net bowlers!

He has also done well in the PSL at the number 4 position so has experience of batting there.

Point is Shadab coming in and taking the game by the scruff of the neck could do the job for Pakistan in T20s - something we are lacking, especially as the likes of Haider etc dont know how to approach the game at that position.

Shadab is no mug with the bat.

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He can hit sixes against spinners without dancing down the track

So he is a safe batting option against spin unlike the others
 
I’ve said it for a while, he is a better batsman than a lot of the “specialist batsmen” we’ve tried in the middle order.

Number 4 in T20s and 7 in tests should be his positions.
 
He should be the permanent number 4 for Pakistan till the 2023 odi worldcup in white balll cricket. He is the best spin basher and strike rotator.
His record at number 4 is brilliant.
 
He averaged 33 at SR of 162 in PSL this year batting in top 4 so surprising team management took this long to try this option.
 
Will work wonders at 5. Need Fakhar at 4.

Rizwan Babar Shan Fakhar Shadab followed by the tullas.
 
He's confident and is in good form at the moment.

No harm in playing him at 4 for the tri series and the T20 World Cup.

He cannot do any worse than the likes of Haider Ali, Khushdil Shah and Ifthikar Ahmed.

One thing is for sure with Shadab, he won't be selfish and bat for himself.
 
Shadab and Nawaz should be fixed at #5 and #6 in our batting order. Meanwhile Pakistan should kick out the Tulla Trio of Haider, Asif and Ifti. Ideally Haider should be sent to play domestics for at least 2 years, Ifti should retire whilst Asif should be banned from all forms of cricket in Pakistan.

Since we have no power hitters in Pakistan, Shadab and Nawaz should be used as such, and someone like Saud Shakeel should be brought in to hold the batting in case of a collapse. On the other side, we should play all the main fast bowlers (Wasim, Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem and Hasnain) from numbers 7-11. Will ensure that 150-160 will always be enough for us to defend/chase down.
 
Shadab is better than any of Fakhar, Haider, Asif, Ifti, Khusdil and Shan.
 
Yeah sure

Let’s add another walking at 4 after Shan at 3
You've lost all credibility to debate. Shan has showed much more in his last 5 games compared to Asif Khushdil and Ifti in last 5 years.
 
Surprising that they took this long to try it given his success in the PSL and failure of other options. He is highly likely to do at least better than any of Haider, Ifti, Khushdil and Asif.
 
Shadab the batsman is one of those players for me who does not look like he should be batting well but somehow he does. I don't know what it is about his batting, I can't quite put my finger on it but whenever I watch him bat, his technique looks like that of a tailender. Maybe it's just me but his shots just do not look easy on the eye.

However, somehow he seems to be getting the runs whenever he gets the chance to bat higher up the order so I'm very happy for him to continue proving me wrong. I guess it doesn't matter how the runs come as long as they do. Hope he can continue to prove me wrong as a batsman and help solve this middle order issue for us but once again, I know I say this without any proper justification or stats etc... but something about the way he bats just tells me that when put into a proper pressure situation with good bowlers in a big world event, I don't think he is capable of performing at 4 for Pakistan. Everyone seems to love the idea of promoting him so maybe it is just me and I'm wrong.

But then again I can't really think of any alternatives currently who are doing any better so maybe just give him the go, he's deserved a chance at the very least.
 
He is a gutsy player and play for team. He is allrounder and his place is secured in the team, he can play fearless innings without worrying about his place in the side. He is successful for his franchise in PSL at no.4. I'm not sure about Nawaz looks like it was a fluke inning against India. Shadab at 4 is better option that Iftikhar or Khusdil
 
I'm surprised it took them this long to try him at 3-4 as we've had voices in the media suggesting this for more than a year now. I would have him precede Masood and come in at 3 as he would provide the ideal foil for our openers with his higher SR. It would make much more sense( on paper atleast )compared to Fakhar or Masood.
 
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Shadab should definitely bat at number 4.

This position frees him up, knowing there are batters still to come.
Likewise Haider Ali should come in at 5 or 6 to take that pressure of having to keep up the tempo ehrn we lose early wickets.

Ideally with Fakhar at 4 and Shadab at 4 our middle order looks reasonable again.
 
he looks more comfortable against spin bowling than asif,ifti,haider etc .He should definitely bat at 4
 
You've lost all credibility to debate. Shan has showed much more in his last 5 games compared to Asif Khushdil and Ifti in last 5 years.

Showed much more what? His unnecessary and harmless presence at the crease?
 
Shadab should definitely bat at number 4.

This position frees him up, knowing there are batters still to come.
Likewise Haider Ali should come in at 5 or 6 to take that pressure of having to keep up the tempo ehrn we lose early wickets.

Ideally with Fakhar at 4 and Shadab at 4 our middle order looks reasonable again.

I see

Fakhar and Shadab can both bat at 4 and the middle order issue will be solved
 
Rizwan
Babar
Shan
Fakhar
Shadab
Asif Ali
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

If however an early wicket doesn't fall then Shan should be used to stabilise an innings but if we get an opening partnership going and need to accelerate he should drop down the order to even as low as number 7 or 8. We don't have the luxury or benchstrength to have a fixed batting lineup.

However a hard hitting opener could be added to this team instead of Shan and then we drop Babar to number 3 or 4.
 
Based on the few instances I saw him play against the faster bowlers.. No. He has a borderline tail ender esque technique and it'll be aggravated even more in Australia.

There are many solutions to a weak middle order but promoting a bowling all rounder to top 4 is certainly not one of them.
 
Shadab Khan:

"I was waiting for such an opportunity to bat as I have a lot of confidence to do this role based upon my performances in the PSL"

"My plan is simple which is to put the bowler under pressure, and that is what I did today"

"As a professional you always want to be given more responsibilities and for expectations to increase on you and for you to become a player on whom your country's team will rely on"

"I am happy to take on this type of pressure and try and perform well as a batter and bowler, and also as a fielder"
 
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He is Pakistan's answer to Washington Sundar. A supremely fit version of Washington Sundar. :inti
 
Based on the few instances I saw him play against the faster bowlers.. No. He has a borderline tail ender esque technique and it'll be aggravated even more in Australia.

There are many solutions to a weak middle order but promoting a bowling all rounder to top 4 is certainly not one of them.

I respectfully disagree.
Shadab has the potential to become an extremely good batsman in all formats.
He's shown great ability with the bat in both the test and odi formats and hopefully will be given the backing to do it in T20's too.

What he lacks in technique he more then makes up with attitude and gamesmanship.
Give him time and he will become a start all rounder in all formats.
 
I respectfully disagree.
Shadab has the potential to become an extremely good batsman in all formats.
He's shown great ability with the bat in both the test and odi formats and hopefully will be given the backing to do it in T20's too.

What he lacks in technique he more then makes up with attitude and gamesmanship.
Give him time and he will become a start all rounder in all formats.


Fair enough.
 
He is Pakistan's answer to Washington Sundar. A supremely fit version of Washington Sundar. :inti

Hopefully can match up to Sir Jadeja. Him and Nawaz ideally, hopefully at least 1 can be that world class.

A lot of work to be done to get there currently.
 
Shadab and Nawaz are slightly better than tail-enders. They will give you a 30-40 on a good day but you need proper batsmen at 4-5. Every top team plays a proper batsman at this number.

While other teams are playing the likes of SKY, Pant, Pandya, Miller, Bairstow, Phillips, Pooran, Van Der Dussen etc., Pakistan are setting for Shadab and Nawaz.

This goes to show how little talent Pakistan has. Our middle-order is associate level.
 
Shadab at 4 is best of bad bunch, we are scrapping barrel when it comes middle order batters in white ball cricket. its worth a try using him at 4 now.

people need to stop hyping nawaz hes a glorified tail ender.
 
Based on the few instances I saw him play against the faster bowlers.. No. He has a borderline tail ender esque technique and it'll be aggravated even more in Australia.

There are many solutions to a weak middle order but promoting a bowling all rounder to top 4 is certainly not one of them.

The middle overs the spinners will be on so yea he should come in at that time.
 
Shadab is a good player and can play very well so they should use him when the spinners come in to the attack.
 
Let me put it this way. Your number 4 and number 5 should have the talent and the skill go potentially score a hundred. If you are playing Shadab and Nawaz at those positions you are clearly telling the world that you have zero talent and depth in the middle-order.
 
Let me put it this way. Your number 4 and number 5 should have the talent and the skill go potentially score a hundred. If you are playing Shadab and Nawaz at those positions you are clearly telling the world that you have zero talent and depth in the middle-order.

Our 1 and 2 don’t really go for 100 if they face 60 balls each

How do we unearth 4 and 5 who will? It will have to be your Tullerz
 
Shadab Khan:

"I was waiting for such an opportunity to bat as I have a lot of confidence to do this role based upon my performances in the PSL"

"My plan is simple which is to put the bowler under pressure, and that is what I did today"

"As a professional you always want to be given more responsibilities and for expectations to increase on you and for you to become a player on whom your country's team will rely on"

"I am happy to take on this type of pressure and try and perform well as a batter and bowler, and also as a fielder"

I think he is maturing as a cricketer.

His bowling has shown consistency and there are some good signs with his batting too.

Definitely on the up.
 
He is our first modern day cricketer. His game his mindset and approach to everything
 
Let me put it this way. Your number 4 and number 5 should have the talent and the skill go potentially score a hundred. If you are playing Shadab and Nawaz at those positions you are clearly telling the world that you have zero talent and depth in the middle-order.

Lol who doesn't know this already? As for scoring a hundred, we have Asif Ali with 0 career 50's as a guaranteed starter so we're a long way off that target.

The idea appears to be that this pair will bat aggressively with no fear of failure as they are cemented into the XI for their bowling. That seems perfectly fine to me.
 
Imad ,Nawaz , Shadab all three should be played .

In WC next year they should be playing this team

Imam
Fakhar
Babaar
Rizwan
Saud
Shadab
Nawaz
Imad
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf
 
Hopefully can match up to Sir Jadeja. Him and Nawaz ideally, hopefully at least 1 can be that world class.

A lot of work to be done to get there currently.

In tests, definitely a lot to work to do.

But in T20s, Shadab is a miles better bowler than Jadeja. Jadeja relies on accuracy but doesn't have enough variations hence his bowling has always been average in T20s. In batting Shadab needs a bit more improvement but overall he is still good enough. Nawaz is more comparable to Jadeja in bowling.

Jadeja is not elite level in T20s.
 
His stats are not far away from Pandya's stats in T20s. :inti

That is also nice way to track Shadab's growth in T20 cricket.

Pandya is the benchmark in T20 cricket for all rounders among active players currently as even the biggest haters like you also seem to align as well by comparing Shadab's stats with only him inspite of him being a fast bowling A/R and Shadab being a spin all rounder. Hence, if he can show the improvement in batting and become good enough to change the consequence of a game with bat also, he will be counted among best A/R in the world.

Stokes is a mediocre T20 cricketer who has lost his team a World Tournament at a major juncture, Neesham doesn't bowl as much, Jadeja has mediocre career stats and that leaves us with Pandya and Hasaranga as the two best A/R currently. :inti
 
May be till WC it can be a stopgap solution but not long term.
Process and result are different things and for long term you should look at the process.
 
I said this in another thread but I’ll say it here too because it’s relevant.

In the early 2000s, we constantly used Afridi and Abdul Razzaq as top order bats when their main role was to only bowl. That 2002-2006 team was far stronger than the LOI teams we fielded post 2010. And this is at a time when other teams had future ATGs as openers or number 3 batsmen (the positions Afridi and AR would bat at a lot of the time)

I’m not saying Shadab is at the level of Afridi or AR with the bat yet, but he has shown enough promise to give it a shot. It doesn’t “look bad” on us at all. Even Imran Khan in the twilight of his career was p much a stopgap middle order bat than anything else, so use it as a stopgap if you want to call it that.
 
Pakistan with plenty to ponder after Shadab's impressive cameo

The eye-catching batting cameo by Shadab Khan against New Zealand on Saturday gives the 2009 champions with plenty of options at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup.

Pakistan's decision to promote Shadab up the batting order against New Zealand on Saturday proved decisive as the all-rounder played a pivotal role in helping his side clinch an impressive six-wicket victory

It was the first time Shadab has batted at number four in a T20I for Pakistan and the 24-year-old smashed two fours and two sixes in a crucial 61-run partnership with skipper Babar Azam.

Shadab ended with 34 runs from just 22 deliveries, with his aggressive knock turning the match Pakistan's way and allowing them to register a second consecutive victory in the tri-series in New Zealand.

Babar, who finished unbeaten on 79 against New Zealand, said the decision to promote Shadab up the order was purely to put the opposition bowlers under pressure.

"Me and Shadab decided that I was going all the way and he would take the chances," Babar said.

"When we settled down and assessed the wicket, I decided I was going to play to the end and managed to do that.

"Definitely, we have a plan to send Shadab up to charge the bowlers, to utilise his skills."

It gives Pakistan plenty to ponder ahead of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup, with Shadab's ability to bat in the middle order providing Babar's side with another option they could utilise.

Babar and Mohammad Rizwan form a formidable combination at the top of the order and look set to continue that partnership in Australia, but who comes in after them for Pakistan remains to be seen.

Haider Ali batted at four in Pakistan's tri-series opener against Bangladesh, while left-hander Shan Masood and fellow veteran Iftikhar Ahmed have also been used in the position recently with various terms of success.

But Shadab's promotion up the order could be the wildcard for Pakistan at the T20 World Cup, with the aggressive right-hander having proven with Islamabad United in the Pakistan Super League that he can thrive in the crucial batting position.

Shadab hit a superb 91 off 42 balls batting at four against the Multan Sultans earlier this year and can be dangerous for opposition teams at the T20 World Cup if he can replicate this type of form.

Pakistan have two more matches remaining in their tri-series in New Zealand, with Shadab likely to get another opportunity to show his wares during games against the Kiwis in Christchurch on October 11 and Bangladesh on October 13.

The Asia Cup runners up then travel to Australia for two warm-up matches against England at The Gabba on October 17 and Afghanistan on October 19, before their opening clash at the T20 World Cup against arch-rival India at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on October 23.

ICC
 
In all honesty, Shadab is not a top 4 batter. I am not sure he has the pedigree to play a long innings especially if a couple of wickets go down in the PP and pacers applying pressure by bowling test match lengths. (He has extremely good ability to rotate the strike though so there is one thing going in his favour).

He is exceptional against spin but I am not sure if he would be able to take on fast bowling in the middle overs. He should be used as a floater and sent when a favourable match-up/match situation surfaces (2nd wicket falling after 10 overs and a spinner on with at least couple of overs left (under such circumstances, a quick-fire 20-30 at 150 strike rate should be his job).

Using all-rounders to fix the middle order woes is not going to be the solution always. The specialist batters have to step up and be entrusted to do the job they are selected to do.
 
Failed today but that shouldn't mean end of experiment. He's the best #4 in Pakistan's domestic T20 scene
 
Failed today but that shouldn't mean end of experiment. He's the best #4 in Pakistan's domestic T20 scene

All the batsmen apart from Asif struggled today. Shadab could have been more patient today though.
 
He is not a NO.4. He is a good reliable big hitter who can be trusted at No.7.

If Shadab is the best Pak has at No.4, then they are in trouble.
 
He is a number 4 who may come off or not.

I like him.

But I dont know if an "unreliable" number 4 is a luxury Pakistan can afford.
 
In all honesty, Shadab is not a top 4 batter. I am not sure he has the pedigree to play a long innings especially if a couple of wickets go down in the PP and pacers applying pressure by bowling test match lengths. (He has extremely good ability to rotate the strike though so there is one thing going in his favour).

He is exceptional against spin but I am not sure if he would be able to take on fast bowling in the middle overs. He should be used as a floater and sent when a favourable match-up/match situation surfaces (2nd wicket falling after 10 overs and a spinner on with at least couple of overs left (under such circumstances, a quick-fire 20-30 at 150 strike rate should be his job).

Using all-rounders to fix the middle order woes is not going to be the solution always. The specialist batters have to step up and be entrusted to do the job they are selected to do.

Good strikerate 30 is all pakistan need from over 18 to 14.
 
He is not a NO.4. He is a good reliable big hitter who can be trusted at No.7.

If Shadab is the best Pak has at No.4, then they are in trouble.

Lol, we are in trouble, no secret that
 
Failed today but that shouldn't mean end of experiment. He's the best #4 in Pakistan's domestic T20 scene

That means that Pakistan has zero talent. Shadab would not bat above 6 or 7 in a serious team.
 
I think we have to stick with him here. So long as his bowling doesn’t suffer. Iftikhar and Asif even are too old and not good enough. Shadab is already dominating PSL with the bat at his young age. There is a chance he can improve. I fear iftikhar and Asif will get even worse with age now. Like it or not currently he’s the future of our middle order batting in t20.

Haider looks so bad he shouldn’t be in the team anymore. Khushdil again looks poor too. So the other two young batting talents for the future are failing right now. While we might not like it, out of these three nearly everyone is backing Shadab to score over the other two, he just looks in better form.

Hopefully Khushdil can develop as a player and Haider rediscover some form. But right now Shadab deserves to play instead/ in front of these two.
 
He is a number 4 who may come off or not.

I like him.

But I dont know if an "unreliable" number 4 is a luxury Pakistan can afford.

He should not be a permanent number 4 but can occasionally come up the order.
 
Failed today but that shouldn't mean end of experiment. He's the best #4 in Pakistan's domestic T20 scene

Yep. You also have to take into account that despite how much of a double edged sword RizBar is as an opening duo + the middle order not doing anything, regardless of how many deliveries they have to play with in the innings, there really isn’t anyone other than Shadab who you could consistently rely on in the middle order. He’s ain’t a superstar #4 but he’s a potentially capable one to at least hold things together and hit out when needed.
 
He won’t even get into their teams. He is a mediocre player, ordinary with both bat and ball.

He is a good spinner bro... gets good bounce. He can do very well for your team in Australian surfaces which offers bounce for spinners. Yesterday, in the India practice game against Western Australia, Chahal was getting decent bounce and bowled really well. So, Shadab can be really handy with the ball in the upcoming WT20.
 
He won’t even get into their teams. He is a mediocre player, ordinary with both bat and ball.

Even though he's outperformed most leg spinners over the last 12 months? Especially in the big tournaments.

Your hate of him is getting more difficult as his performances continue improving.
 
He should keep his place at 4 throughout the WC.

Quality against spin and can hit them out of the attack.
 
Shadab Khan vs England in the Warmup

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That dancing around on the pitch to fast bowlers isnt gonna cut it from him in Australia. Needs to show some focus its not all about intent
 
Very selfish of Shadab to bat at 3 or 4 in any format of the game, unless he’s being sent out tactically.
 
Another selfish leader

Sick and tired of these types of players!
 
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