Can Sharjeel, Babar and Amir inspire Pakistan to defeat India at the Champions Trophy?

[street cricketer]

All wickets are flat in ODIs nowadays. England is no exception.

Don't know why people refer to England as some super difficult place to play ODIs.

 

[Slog]

Frustrating to see so many passengers in our LOI team.

I don't have the same interest in LOIs like I did in my teens (barring the tournaments). But it has even reduced due to our team playing so many past it players. Nowadays I only look forward to the next test series. I'm not even sure I'll watch the champions trophy with this team playing. Waiting for the tour of South Africa. Can't believe I'm become a test snob like Junaids.
Maybe Junaids was right all along.


Pakistan has a very high chance of beating India this time though in the champions trophy.

same

i barely follow odi series' and just look out for pak scores and watch highlights at end of day if there was some great performances.

tests i follow almost all top teams now. looking forward to how aussies fare in india

 

[street cricketer]

Flat pitches, small boundaries, big bats, Bravo Faulkner type fancy bowlers have taken the special quality out of ODIs and have made them glorified T20s. Have made a mockery of old scores when 270 was considered a match winning total. Miss the ODIs of 90s and 2000s. Nowadays ODIs are the most boring and T20s have replaced them. 2015 world cup was such a borefest. In contrast, the T20 WC was much more exciting.

Miss the old days of Wills Singer cups, when scoring a 50 against McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Pollock was considered a great achievement. Someone like McGrath and Pollock will probably be called glorified ODI trundlers by fans 10-15 years from now.

 

[Hamza_]

Aus pitches are batting friendly these days... Can't see Sharjeel surviving opening spells in seaming and swinging conditions of England.

Highest ODI score is made in England

 

[ali2220]

Yes, I agree he performed well in Australia but Australia doesn't have quality spinners and pitches were flat. Sharjeel can't survive first 4 overs in England, forget about 50 ball hundred.

No, the wkts in eng are also flat these days, whether he can play ash remains to be seen, but to say that he can't survive Sir Shami when he has done well against far better pacers is plain stupid.

 

[WC-Passion]

India and Pak did not play against each other in 2007 WC. Both were humiliated and kicked out by lower ranked teams.

Sorry meant 2007 T20 WC, and yes you're right both teams had horrific tournaments. The Ireland games still hurts to this day.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Flat pitches, small boundaries, big bats, Bravo Faulkner type fancy bowlers have taken the special quality out of ODIs and have made them glorified T20s. Have made a mockery of old scores when 270 was considered a match winning total. Miss the ODIs of 90s and 2000s. Nowadays ODIs are the most boring and T20s have replaced them. 2015 world cup was such a borefest. In contrast, the T20 WC was much more exciting.

Miss the old days of Wills Singer cups, when scoring a 50 against McGrath, Wasim, Waqar, Pollock was considered a great achievement. Someone like McGrath and Pollock will probably be called glorified ODI trundlers by fans 10-15 years from now.

Flat pitches have been there for ODIs since 90s. What's changed are the two balls that have taken out reverse swing which made it difficult to get 100 in the last 15 let alone 10. Also, they've taken a layer of lacquer off the white kookaburra so they don't swing longer than 3-4 overs unless conditions are perfect. If you remember in the past, just one kookaburra used to swing for 10 overs at least very easily. What's more is that 4 fielders outside the 30 means there's always a gap for boundaries.

In this era, unless you've got a complete attack like Australia that's always at you, it's very difficult to contain. They also have a lineup that consistently puts 300 which obviously helps.

 

[Bilal7]

All wickets are flat in ODIs nowadays. England is no exception.

Don't know why people refer to England as some super difficult place to play ODIs.

No. India and Australia have super flat tracks with absolutely nothing in them for the bowlers. Some pace and bounce that actually helps stroke-making is what separates Australian pitches from Indian pitches.

The UAE has dead, low and slow pitches most of the time. Stroke making is tough but batters get runs because the bowlers don't have anything to work with either.

Pitches in South Africa and England offer movement and the natural conditions in those countries also offers swing movement. These are the two most difficult places to bat in.

Sri Lanka and New Zealand are more balanced versions of India and Australia, respectively. West Indies is similar to the UAE in this regard.

 

[zn426]

We're ranked 8th, just lost 8 of 10 matches in England and Australia, and suddenly you expect this Pakistan side to overhaul India with a team of aloo eaters who don't put in the effort to field well?

Look, if the team was going to win, it would be through strong bowling and fielding with big innings from Sharjeel, Babar, and Haris if he plays.

But we have one bowler (Amir), who they can see off. Maybe Sohail Khan, he had good figures in England, but I don't see it yet. If they come out with flat stomachs there's a good chance because it means they worked hard to get to this point.

 

[Speedster777]

If captain is Azhar than team will fail.

 

[Syed1]

Flat pitches have been there for ODIs since 90s. What's changed are the two balls that have taken out reverse swing which made it difficult to get 100 in the last 15 let alone 10. Also, they've taken a layer of lacquer off the white kookaburra so they don't swing longer than 3-4 overs unless conditions are perfect. If you remember in the past, just one kookaburra used to swing for 10 overs at least very easily. What's more is that 4 fielders outside the 30 means there's always a gap for boundaries.

In this era, unless you've got a complete attack like Australia that's always at you, it's very difficult to contain. They also have a lineup that consistently puts 300 which obviously helps.

The logic of two new balls was that it will help the bowling side since the balls will swing for a longer period of time. Which is obviously not true. The ball loses it shine within the first 3 overs and for the rest of the 22 overs that it is used for in the innings it is completely lifeless and useless. With the older ball it aided the spinners a bit more too as it would grip and turn, this is also why you are seeing more darters and tweakers like Imad rather than proper spinners.

We need ICC to regulate the size of bats, grounds and get rid of the two new balls. This will make ODIs instantly more interesting.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Can Fakhar, Babar and Amir inspire a win vs India?

 

[Hamza_]

Sharjeel yeh tumnay kiya kia

 

[Usman Chadda]

Massive loss for Pakistan. Him and Fakhar at the top would have been quite a sight.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Yepp...jst win the toss nd choose batting nd set a gigantic target of 274 nd see how indian batters trumble under pressure