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Can the ICC Men's T20 World Cup 2021 be defined as the first proper cricket World Cup?

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I felt happy when i just saw the PNG team walk in and make their world cup debut. Finally we would be seeing new teams in a world cup. Infact 4 of the teams from the first round will enter the second round of the world cup.

2019 odi world cup was a big joke as it did not have countries from other parts of the world and was played between the same old countries.

With scotland, oman, png and namibia playing its gonna be an interesting world cup as alot of new talent from these countries would be showing off their skills and might be featuring in t20 tournaments in the coming months.

We have seen cricketers from singapore and nepal play in leagues already.

Has cricket finally gone global today?
 
I agree that the T20 World Cup is more representative of international cricket than the disgraceful travesty that was the 2019 50-over tournament. However, we had a similar format in place in 2014 and 2016 as well.
 
I agree that the T20 World Cup is more representative of international cricket than the disgraceful travesty that was the 2019 50-over tournament. However, we had a similar format in place in 2014 and 2016 as well.

But in 2014 and 16, were 4 teams allowed to qualify dor the next stage or was it just allowed to 2 teams.

I am really excited to watch png and namibia this time around
 
But in 2014 and 16, were 4 teams allowed to qualify dor the next stage or was it just allowed to 2 teams.

I am really excited to watch png and namibia this time around

You're right it was only 2 teams that were allowed to progress from the qualifier, so in that sense this format is a huge step forward.
 
Lol cricket never had and never will have a WORLD cup. It’s at best a multi nation tournament. If I’ve to be specific a sport played by colonisers and a bunch of colonised countries.

It’s mostly run by 3 top teams, 3 mid level teams. 3 poor teams and a bunch of expats playing for countries like Oman, Scotland, Nambia, UAE etc

We cricket lovers can try our best to satisfy our egos by calling it a famous sport and we have a WORLD cup coming up, but it ain’t it
 
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I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.
 
I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.

I agree.

Every group should have 4 teams like it is in FIFA World Cup. Top 2 should go to next round.
 
I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.

you cant have the fifa model here as fifa is a different sport. In football a weak team could perform and makes its way in.

This format of t20 is best. Matches with associates vs Test members( top 8) are boring as they are one sided affairs, thus if associates have to be added than why not have a prelimanary round. THe best associates would come forward than, plus, the build up for the tournament goes well
 
you cant have the fifa model here as fifa is a different sport. In football a weak team could perform and makes its way in.

This format of t20 is best. Matches with associates vs Test members( top 8) are boring as they are one sided affairs, thus if associates have to be added than why not have a prelimanary round. THe best associates would come forward than, plus, the build up for the tournament goes well

T20 is one format where associates can really trump one of the major sides and it's happened a lot in the past, I've listed few of many such instances so there is nothing to suggest it won't. That's what makes this format exciting but by favoring top ranked sides, ICC is limiting potential of a "WORLD" event. Might as well call it exclusive club and award their favorites.
 
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I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.

Spot on. But this will never happen, I really want to see the likes of PNG play against the big boys for instance but it will never happen.
 
I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.

Will the ICC then deal with lesser money? Because the that is what the broadcaster is come back with. If the ICC has to deal with lesser $$$, will the boards then also be willing to deal with lesser handouts from the tournament proceeds?
 
Will the ICC then deal with lesser money? Because the that is what the broadcaster is come back with. If the ICC has to deal with lesser $$$, will the boards then also be willing to deal with lesser handouts from the tournament proceeds?

Broadcasters will buy it anyway, in India itself there are now 3 major networks that are ready to break bank on sporting rights. So if ICC stick to their guns, broadcasters will budge. Problem with giving broadcasters what they want is, they wont have cricket as their top priority.

ICC though, needs to think 20-25 years ahead with their plans and not just how much they make off one rights cycle. European cricket is seeing a lot of development now than ever before, one success story from there and who knows it kicks off something ICC can't predict.
 
Lol cricket never had and never will have a WORLD cup. It’s at best a multi nation tournament. If I’ve to be specific a sport played by colonisers and a bunch of colonised countries.

It’s mostly run by 3 top teams, 3 mid level teams. 3 poor teams and a bunch of expats playing for countries like Oman, Scotland, Nambia, UAE etc

We cricket lovers can try our best to satisfy our egos by calling it a famous sport and we have a WORLD cup coming up, but it ain’t it

No,I like to think its more elitist that cricket is so very exclusive.
Like a private gentlemans` club.
 
I just wish we didn't have this rubbish of Round 1 with lesser ranked teams while big teams are secure already for round 2. You don't see FIFA doing this. ICC and BIG3 need to really stop fearing early exits and tell broadcasters to deal with an odd upset that sees one of the big teams leave if they truly want to make the game global.

From the first round all 16 teams should play. So what if PNG beat Ind/Eng and one of those get knocked out? WC are great for such triumphs, India themselves came onto the scene after 83 win, SL after 96. Right now it's a farce in the name of world cup. If Scotland can beat BD, who's to say they can't beat NZ or Aus? Netherlands have beaten England twice in WT20, Zimbabwe have beaten a top notch Aus team in WT20.

Any such solution will lead to less bilateral as will have no time left
 
The very fact that they are still asking teams to qualify for the main group after they've got here through qualifiers shows how scared ICC still is about full members getting beaten by the smaller nations. They want to minimize that impact.

If top members are so confident about themselves why can't they play in 4 groups of 4 each?
 
The very fact that they are still asking teams to qualify for the main group after they've got here through qualifiers shows how scared ICC still is about full members getting beaten by the smaller nations. They want to minimize that impact.

If top members are so confident about themselves why can't they play in 4 groups of 4 each?

It is demand vs supply really. The clamour for this type of format can only be raised by the associates but their demands will have hardly any power. Atleast not for now.
Perhaps we may see this happening after a decade or two as more and more subcontinental players settle abroad. Who knows Umar Akmal and the likes may one day get USA into the associate status and next to the big league.
 
The very fact that they are still asking teams to qualify for the main group after they've got here through qualifiers shows how scared ICC still is about full members getting beaten by the smaller nations. They want to minimize that impact.

If top members are so confident about themselves why can't they play in 4 groups of 4 each?

It's a fear of repeat of 2007. ICC aren't scared, broadcasters are scared, so ICC is just pleasing the broadcasters for more monies to sell the rights.

The issue is that ICC isn't independent and basically run by individual boards, so obviously you'll have them see their interest first... I mean will ICC pick growing the game over more money? Nope. The money they get is distributed back to boards and the most money goes to Ind, Eng and Aus, so why will they shoot themselves in the foot by getting less money and also having the prospect of crashing out early in the tournament? Fat chance.

In an ideal world an independent ICC would just tell broadcasters deal with it. When you invest in a tournament, you want to make money but then you can't tweak the tournament and make it lose its relevance to maximize revenue. Next what? Broadcasters will want all games to go to last ball so ad revenues are maximized?

Some of the highlights of 50-ov and 20-ov World Cups have been associates beating big countries and that has led to great interest being developed in those regions. Unfortunately this rant is useless as nothing will change. Maybe one day when ECB, BCCI and CA don't care about international WC and are too busy minting money off their leagues, they'll let World Cups actually have the "World" in it.
 
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Broadcasters will buy it anyway, in India itself there are now 3 major networks that are ready to break bank on sporting rights. So if ICC stick to their guns, broadcasters will budge. Problem with giving broadcasters what they want is, they wont have cricket as their top priority.

ICC though, needs to think 20-25 years ahead with their plans and not just how much they make off one rights cycle. European cricket is seeing a lot of development now than ever before, one success story from there and who knows it kicks off something ICC can't predict.

Good luck with that.

The ICC is good at only one thing. Wait for the BCCI to generate revenue and then pocket a portion of that. That seems to be the only thing all those ICC employees with fancy titles and fat paychecks do.
 
I think you guys are failling to understand that you could either have 8 associates play or only 4 associates.

If we go into the 4 groups model, the issue in that model is that you cant play 8 associates. Because associates vs Test member matches are very boring its always a one sided affair. Thus it would be limited to 4 teams.

I like this preliminary as it count as a World T20 and your worldwide performance also matters. Look at AFG they did well during the whole year and are in the super 12.

In Fifa the sport is played mostly clubs and national players turning up for tournaments. In cricket we only have international games all around so taht perfromance should be accounted for
 
Lol cricket never had and never will have a WORLD cup. It’s at best a multi nation tournament. If I’ve to be specific a sport played by colonisers and a bunch of colonised countries.

It’s mostly run by 3 top teams, 3 mid level teams. 3 poor teams and a bunch of expats playing for countries like Oman, Scotland, Nambia, UAE etc

We cricket lovers can try our best to satisfy our egos by calling it a famous sport and we have a WORLD cup coming up, but it ain’t it

Despite having 32 teams in FIFA wc how many teams won it? Just 8 teams.. Those minnow is there to fill the column and odd upsets.. Nobody believes they can win wc actually..
 
It's a fear of repeat of 2007. ICC aren't scared, broadcasters are scared, so ICC is just pleasing the broadcasters for more monies to sell the rights.

The issue is that ICC isn't independent and basically run by individual boards, so obviously you'll have them see their interest first... I mean will ICC pick growing the game over more money? Nope. The money they get is distributed back to boards and the most money goes to Ind, Eng and Aus, so why will they shoot themselves in the foot by getting less money and also having the prospect of crashing out early in the tournament? Fat chance.

In an ideal world an independent ICC would just tell broadcasters deal with it. When you invest in a tournament, you want to make money but then you can't tweak the tournament and make it lose its relevance to maximize revenue. Next what? Broadcasters will want all games to go to last ball so ad revenues are maximized?

Some of the highlights of 50-ov and 20-ov World Cups have been associates beating big countries and that has led to great interest being developed in those regions. Unfortunately this rant is useless as nothing will change. Maybe one day when ECB, BCCI and CA don't care about international WC and are too busy minting money off their leagues, they'll let World Cups actually have the "World" in it.

Spot on and cricket is now pure business. For the sake of it I'm still OK with this T20 format, but at least in 50 over cricket we've got to have 14 teams with 2 groups.

Netherlands, Scotland, UAE, Oman, Nepal, Namibia, most of rhese teams survive on WC participation money and the main attraction for any youngster to take up the game or for any of their players to play, is when they want to represent their country at a world event, without the motivation of a world cup participation, cricket in these countries cannot survive.

Zimbabwe and Ireland get some FTP fixtures but mostly against each other and Afghans + 2-3 top countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka who are generous enough, and mind you it is a great gesture to give something back to the game by playing these nations. It is how they learn and improve.

You don't give them FTP fixtures against any top nation, you don't give them any World Cup where they play against top nations, yet you want them to turn up once in a blue moon and PERFORM. Still they do, they try, but inevitably they can only do so much and then you say, not good enough, we are happy with the 7-8 teams that we have.

This is just rubbish.

Give these teams half the exposure which top 3 or 4 teams get and then see what they can do.
 
World T20 Championship

Don’t know if was logistically and financially possible at all for a World T20 championship to take place? Can a concept of home and away matches work? I am kind of fed up of these pointless bi-lateral white ball series.

I would love to look forward to a big T20 game every weekend!!

I figured out the best time zone for a big game on a weekend will be 3:30 pm India time. This will capture the biggest TV audience world wide:
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There is already World T20. Do you want another T20 world championship?

I was wondering if either:

1) the world T20 can be replaced by a longer version which goes on for a few months with home and away games, just so that it is a fine dining experience than fast food ;or

2) top two T20 league teams from every country compete for the ultimate title
 
I was wondering if either:

1) the world T20 can be replaced by a longer version which goes on for a few months with home and away games, just so that it is a fine dining experience than fast food ;or

2) top two T20 league teams from every country compete for the ultimate title

I see.

I think this can make things messier. International cricket is already packed as it is. World T20 seems better.
 
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