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Can Umar Amin be groomed as a future captain for Pakistan?

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He has all the qualities of a Good Captain.
-He is educated.
-He is young, will give youngsters a chance.
-He is a calm person.
-He has good cricketing sense.
-He is not too defensive, nor does he try to over attack.
-He is a Hard Worker.

ALL THESE CLAIMS ARE BASED ON HIS DOMESTIC/INTERNATIONAL PERFORMANCES AND ALSO 1 INTERVIEW.


I do not know about others but i would choose a player with these qualities as my Captain any day.
People have doubts over his Batting skills, but i believe they will only improve over time, he has shown massive improvement in Domestic Cricket, and hopefully he will be able to do that in the International Arena as well.

With Misbah nearing the end of his career and Hafeez not being able to perform it is high time we groom a Young Captain, and at the moment the only person who has the qualities to be a Good Captain for a long time for Pakistan is Umar Amin.

Mods please add a Poll.
 
I would make either Umar Akmal or Umar Amin Captain.

Akmal because it might bring him maturity.

Amin because he might then relax , know that he will finally get a run in the side and fully exhibit his talent.
 
If he can solidify his place in the team, then why not?

I haven't seen him play much, I've seen a lot of negativity towards him, I don't know why, but also heard positives too. Only time I've seen him play was when I was at the Pakistan vs India match in the Champions Trophy this year, didn't seem to fare too badly.
 
Amin is currently the VC of Rawalpindi Rams in domestic they need to make him the captain instead of kukri to check if Amin is a captain material he should spend at least 2 season in domestic circuit as captain so that his captaincy can be judged thn he can be given a chance at international level...

But currently the question is how much time he need to earn a permanent place in the team...
 
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I believe that he should be made Captain the moment he cements his place in the side.
 
Yes, he could potentially be groomed but it would be absurd to make him captain now, as you have asked for in a number of threads.
 
I have met and he is a really nice person but having watched him bat I think he lacks the talent to become a fixture. I think his rotation of the strike and his limitations of playing spin are the 2 main areas that will hold him back. He will become one of those guys that will become good at domestic level but not quite be good enough for the international level.
 
Have to earn your spot in the team first.

Captaincy is a long way from his reach at the moment.
 
Umar Amin the guy with the confuse and girly body language.. He just does not look the part..
 
let him actually make some runs and secure his place in the side before having such lofty ambitions.

Azhar Ali is the one who should be groomed for a leadership role, its downright incompetence that he has not been given a steady go in ODIs yet.
 
I agree with Alberto, Nasir is a better choice as captain. He is aggressive, leads from the front and performs under pressure.
 
The only player that has what it takes to be captain is junaid khan.
 
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The guy is a hack, how many intelligent cricketers give their number 11 a single to face the last few balls of the innings? :facepalm:
 
i would give captaincy to umar akmal after world cup, if m.hafeez wins us T20 world cup as captain I would give him ODI captaincy after world cup
 
No.
He is way too immature for his years.

The best prospect we have is Asad Shafeeq. It's upto the board now if they want kill his spirit and choke his personality by making him play under Hafeez. Misbah has already influenced Ashar Ali and Asad is next in line.
If we are to REALLY groom a captain then both Misbah and Hafeez should be sidelined from captaincy and Asad should be given the nod. He will definitely dig holes for himself in the start but I am confident that he is mature, sensible and intelligent enough to learn quickly and take the full lead.

It will be VERY FRUSTRATING if Hafeez becomes the captain after Misbah.
 
Umar Amin may posses the qualities of a good captain but does he have the qualities to become a succesful batsman? Give him a proper chance, if he performs upto standard then you can start grooming him.
 
He needs to cement his place in the team first, right now he does not look International material.
 
AZ said:
let him actually make some runs and secure his place in the side before having such lofty ambitions.

Azhar Ali is the one who should be groomed for a leadership role, its downright incompetence that he has not been given a steady go in ODIs yet.
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Plus someone who has an average of 32 on the flat pitches of Pakistan against Pakistani bowlers is NOT going to be able to cut it in International cricket.
 
Can Umar Amin be groomed as a Future Captain for Pakistan?

I may be wrong but Azhar Ali would be another version of Misbah as captain.
 
Kiwi said:
The guy is a hack, how many intelligent cricketers give their number 11 a single to face the last few balls of the innings? :facepalm:
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He was confused, he just came and had to get some quick runs, he is not a slogger and can not start slogging from the very first delivery he faces, hence in order to get some runs he had to get the single.
Something is better than nothing.

LethalSami said:
:facepalm:

can we groom our youngsters here to not make :facepalm:-worthy threads??
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Well who else do we have?

Hafeez is 33 and does not perform.
Junaid and Jamshed look too immature out on the field.
Ajmal is 35.

I have been seeing Umar Amin a lot, he has a very calm head.
And also he has good cricketing sense.

Noman said:
Umar Amin the guy with the confuse and girly body language.. He just does not look the part..
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Well he is just a youngster, and he is finding his way in the team and does not even know if he will play the next game or not.
Anyone will be confused in this situation.
He has to be given confidence.

AZ said:
let him actually make some runs and secure his place in the side before having such lofty ambitions.

Azhar Ali is the one who should be groomed for a leadership role, its downright incompetence that he has not been given a steady go in ODIs yet.
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Azhar Ali is too defensive.


PB said:
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Plus someone who has an average of 32 on the flat pitches of Pakistan against Pakistani bowlers is NOT going to be able to cut it in International cricket.
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His stats are misleading.
He was not the most naturally gifted player, has shown a lot of improvement over his years.
Was the highest scorer in FC Cricket at an average of 48 and in LA Cricket he averaged more than 50.

And he has achieved all this through Hard Work.
 
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Apart from may be top two rest of the things mentioned in the OP are based on assumptions.
I would not read much into it. He first needs to cement his place in the side , at the moment he is far from this. We will know how calm and good cricketer he is once we watch him for a 20 odd matches.
 
:facepalm: let him cement his spot in the team, and he is yet to show any talent at international level
 
AZ said:
let him actually make some runs and secure his place in the side before having such lofty ambitions.

Azhar Ali is the one who should be groomed for a leadership role, its downright incompetence that he has not been given a steady go in ODIs yet.
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In test matches yes Azhar Ali can be given captaincy, but i still don't have hopes from him as an ODI opener, shehzad and Jamshed need to be given a long run before turning to Azhar Ali in ODIs
 
Azhar ali is passive

One needs a skipper who is a mastermind in tactics and super cool and under pressure (or) a sensible aggressor
 
Everybody in the Pakistan team appearing to be a captaincy candidate suggests that there is a definite problem.

And like it or not, Hafeez is next in line.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Azhar ali is passive

One needs a skipper who is a mastermind in tactics and super cool and under pressure (or) a sensible aggressor
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agree

and as of now we dont have a replacement of misbah available, may be he needs to continue in ODIs till 2015 WC, coz hafeez surely isn't a great option..

All youngsters need to focus on cementing their place in the team rather than burdened with captaincy
 
Misbah should remain captain for next two years , in these two years whoever shows signs of captaincy material should be made captain.
 
Captain of the team should be the best player in the team.
and no you cant groom anyone to be captain.
i understand its quite a pass time for fans to lurch from one permutation than the other.
honestly think based on what i have seen there are far better younger players than him in the team
 
Pete Rose said:
Captain of the team should be the best player in the team.
and no you cant groom anyone to be captain.
i understand its quite a pass time for fans to lurch from one permutation than the other.
honestly think based on what i have seen there are far better younger players than him in the team
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Greame Smith was not the best player in the Team.
Ranatunga was not the best player in the Team.
Clive Llyod was not the best player in the Team.
Steve Waugh was not the best player in the team.

I think you just have to be good to be a captain, you do not need to be the best, but also you can not be based just on your captaincy and have to justify your place in the Team with performance.
 
Last time I was in Pakistan, saw this young kid playing in our village -- Taimur Ali -- I mean he didn't impress with the bat or with the ball either -- but definitely looked like a great future test captain for Pakistan --- if I had any influence with the PCB, I would say get 12 yr old Taimur Ali straight into the senior team and start grooming him for captaincy right now --- just think, give Taimur 10 years grooming as captaincy, by the time he's 22 he will be ready and could go onto become the greatest test captain in Pakistan cricket.

As for batting and bowling -- dont worry, he will learn that too.. once he gets to play alongside class players like Mohammed Hafeez :)
 
Majid Khan said:
Last time I was in Pakistan, saw this young kid playing in our village -- Taimur Ali -- I mean he didn't impress with the bat or with the ball either -- but definitely looked like a great future test captain for Pakistan --- if I had any influence with the PCB, I would say get 12 yr old Taimur Ali straight into the senior team and start grooming him for captaincy right now --- just think, give Taimur 10 years grooming as captaincy, by the time he's 22 he will be ready and could go onto become the greatest test captain in Pakistan cricket.

As for batting and bowling -- dont worry, he will learn that too.. once he gets to play alongside class players like Mohammed Hafeez :)
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Haha ...POTW..:)
 
Majid Khan said:
Last time I was in Pakistan, saw this young kid playing in our village -- Taimur Ali -- I mean he didn't impress with the bat or with the ball either -- but definitely looked like a great future test captain for Pakistan --- if I had any influence with the PCB, I would say get 12 yr old Taimur Ali straight into the senior team and start grooming him for captaincy right now --- just think, give Taimur 10 years grooming as captaincy, by the time he's 22 he will be ready and could go onto become the greatest test captain in Pakistan cricket.

As for batting and bowling -- dont worry, he will learn that too.. once he gets to play alongside class players like Mohammed Hafeez :)
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This Thread is not made so that you can come here and Troll.
It is a serious thread, it'd be best you don't post in this Thread if you can not post anything meaningful here.
 
Let Umar Amin establish himself as a batsman in the side first.

Also I believe with some other posters that out of current lot going around for Pakistan at the moment in all formats, only Azhar Ali seems to be the guy that can handle the burden of captaincy.

All the others are either too inconsistent, immature or lacks the leadership qualities.
 
Umar Amin as future captain -- it is a serious thread !? :) aah okay, maybe I took it as a bit of joke.
 
Can Umar Amin be groomed as a Future Captain for Pakistan?

For the sake of argument, make all of then captains.
 
Can Umar Amin be groomed as a Future Captain for Pakistan?

Tbh, none of our youngsters have that fire in their belly to lead a side- they are kamzaur.
 
in_cutter said:
Tbh, none of our youngsters have that fire in their belly to lead a side- they are kamzaur.
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This is the problem, there was a time in the Pakistan team back in the 70s and even 80s/90s , they looked like a bunch of men. Even in the late 80s/90s, young kids like Inzamam, Saeed Anwar and Ijaz all grew into men by the mid 90s.

But don't know if its just me who thinks this way, for the last 10 yrs Pakistan cricket team has been full of a bunch of kids and they have just not matured into men -- still kids, who are immature, inexperienced, lacking in confidence and intelligence.
 
The guy is promising but hasn't done anything of note so how can he be captain?
 
First he need to cement his position as batsman, then we will see
 
Good Suggetion... but the guy needs to cement his place... Hope Tuckbah gives this guy some chance in WI tour and thus he play a good innings..
 
I have a feeling he will make a hundred in this tour, if he bats up the order
 
When Amin can become a solid piece of iron, aggressive and confident like this man

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Then we can think about giving him the captaincy. Until then he is just a little boy.
 
shah_1 said:
I have a feeling he will make a hundred in this tour, if he bats up the order
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That's a big if. I think nasir and Hafeez will open initially. Followed by shafiq. Since the seniors are gone Misbah will now bat up the order instead of grooming younger players.

For the first 3 games amin will probably bat at 5. Maybe 4 depending on what misbah does
 
Majid Khan said:
Last time I was in Pakistan, saw this young kid playing in our village -- Taimur Ali -- I mean he didn't impress with the bat or with the ball either -- but definitely looked like a great future test captain for Pakistan --- if I had any influence with the PCB, I would say get 12 yr old Taimur Ali straight into the senior team and start grooming him for captaincy right now --- just think, give Taimur 10 years grooming as captaincy, by the time he's 22 he will be ready and could go onto become the greatest test captain in Pakistan cricket.

As for batting and bowling -- dont worry, he will learn that too.. once he gets to play alongside class players like Mohammed Hafeez :)
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I know what you are saying but what's the reciprocal of this idea? Aren't you subtly supporting Hafeez to take over captaincy after Misbah???
 
ahmed778 said:
Greame Smith was not the best player in the Team.
Ranatunga was not the best player in the Team.
Clive Llyod was not the best player in the Team.
Steve Waugh was not the best player in the team.

I think you just have to be good to be a captain, you do not need to be the best, but also you can not be based just on your captaincy and have to justify your place in the Team with performance.
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The players you mention, did you read up their scorecards or did you actually watch any of them play? Your opinion of them indicates a shallow understanding of the game....
 
Some fans on this thread have read 'Lord of the flies" a little too much.
 
I honestly find these threads so funny. I have a baby shall I start to groom him so he can be future captain??

Jokes Aside, Umar Amin needs to secure his place in the team, Be a good player before he can even think of captaincy.
 
I've never understood these threads. On one hand, you mention that Hafeez cannot be a captain because he has not been performing for the last couple of series but at the same time you nominate a player that has yet to play a single valuable innings let alone solidify his position in the team for captain.

Umar Amin can be a non-playing captain when Misbah is a playing coach.
 
Looks shaky , I would be amazed if he cement his place in Pak lineup first let alone becoming a captain.
 
He needs to be groomed as a player first, he does not look like a batsman and he is neither a bowler nor a batsman......
 
BUMP - Umar Amin appointed as Pakistan A Captain for the A game against South Africa.

Soon he will be the captain of the Pakistan Team.
 
waqar goraya said:
But he is yet to cement his place as a batsman.

By the way, Are you ahmad778?
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His performances for Pakistan have been good, he should be given a chance in Test Matches as he has been one of the best Batsmen in Domestic FC Cricket. Other than that he should be groomed as a captain as he is Educated, Has a good cricketing brain, is young and is also a good player.
 
Statistics375 said:
His performances for Pakistan have been good, he should be given a chance in Test Matches as he has been one of the best Batsmen in Domestic FC Cricket. Other than that he should be groomed as a captain as he is Educated, Has a good cricketing brain, is young and is also a good player.
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all conjecture.
 
Great step by PCB and why Umar Akmal isn't in 'A' squad? Fawad Alam and Haris Sohail are also not there? Is it that Umar Akmal has been selected in the Test squad?
 
PakistanKnight said:
Great step by PCB and why Umar Akmal isn't in 'A' squad? Fawad Alam and Haris Sohail are also not there? Is it that Umar Akmal has been selected in the Test squad?
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They might be in the Test Squad.
You do no have to be in the A team to be selected in the Test Squad.


Not sure about Haris Sohail or Fawad Alam though they are not even the part of the probables.
 
At last he will get his chance to captain. Good decision for once.

Although it would be more fair that Misbah captains A team and Umar Amin captains seniors to 'even' things up.
 
Umar Amin the next captain??

By appointing Amin as the skipper of the A team to play against SA, PCB might be thinking of grooming him for captaincy.
Is it really so/ If yes is he the right choice? or the only choice?
What about Umar Akmal/Azhar Ali?
 
CLH looks like captaincy material as well. Can be a good successor to Misbah after the World Cup 2015, when Misbah wins it for Pakistan :)
 
silent ischemia said:
By appointing Amin as the skipper of the A team to play against SA, PCB might be thinking of grooming him for captaincy.
Is it really so/ If yes is he the right choice? or the only choice?
What about Umar Akmal/Azhar Ali?
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Azhar Ali can be Test skipper..

Umar Akmal is a bit too immature to be a captain..

Amin on the other hand has calmness, brains, aggressiveness, and batting talent.. Future of our middle/top order.
 
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