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For a civil engineer which will be best city to work in Canada.
The engineer is
1: Single (no family would be moving to Canada)
2: Looking to make quick money in 2-3 years and then back to India (working already in govt sector)
3: 10 years of working experience.
 
Also what would be the rent like, cost of living and commuting.

I would be coming up with specifics in a while
 
You can't be an engineer here my friend. Your education is worthless here. Only those educated in Canada can get professional jobs. You will be working here in factories as a manual labour or serving burgers at McDonalds. Look elsewhere .
 
You can't be an engineer here my friend. Your education is worthless here. Only those educated in Canada can get professional jobs. You will be working here in factories as a manual labour or serving burgers at McDonalds. Look elsewhere .

And i was thinking to apply for Canada after doing my Acca ..
 
As specialisttailnder said, most degrees are not accepted and work experience outside of US, Europe and Australia is generally disregarded. That is the unfortunate reality.

This is not a government imposed rule but an unsaid rule by employers.


To answer OP's question as a civil engineer the best place would be Toronto. The construction industry here alone is driving Canada's growth while the oil producing Alberta flounders. Toronto is also massively upsizing the public transport infrastructure by building new underground subway lines, on grade LRT and BRT systems. All of these present massive opportunity for employment and growth.
 
You can't be an engineer here my friend. Your education is worthless here. Only those educated in Canada can get professional jobs. You will be working here in factories as a manual labour or serving burgers at McDonalds. Look elsewhere .

Can we get someone FROM the field to respond to this?

I know people first hand who came to Canada without any work experience here landing great jobs.

Example: a guy from Pakistan was able to land NOT 1 but 2 jobs at two of the 5 big banks in Canada within two months of moving to Canada. Mind you he had ZERO Canadian work or education background. Banking is VERY different here compared to Pakistan and he had was able to manage JUST fine.

On the flip side, I can also give you countless examples of people who studied and were brought up here and had difficulty finding work. I am talking about Engineers who did all their education here.

Example: someone I know first hand graduated from a VERY reputable university in Toronto and wasn't able to find an engineering job for quite some time and had to relocate.

It all depends on your attitude and networking etc. Name me a country or a city guaranteeing work after school and I'll be happy to recommend that to others I know.
 
Can we get someone FROM the field to respond to this?

I know people first hand who came to Canada without any work experience here landing great jobs.

Example: a guy from Pakistan was able to land NOT 1 but 2 jobs at two of the 5 big banks in Canada within two months of moving to Canada. Mind you he had ZERO Canadian work or education background. Banking is VERY different here compared to Pakistan and he had was able to manage JUST fine.

On the flip side, I can also give you countless examples of people who studied and were brought up here and had difficulty finding work. I am talking about Engineers who did all their education here.

Example: someone I know first hand graduated from a VERY reputable university in Toronto and wasn't able to find an engineering job for quite some time and had to relocate.

It all depends on your attitude and networking etc. Name me a country or a city guaranteeing work after school and I'll be happy to recommend that to others I know.

I'm a mechanical engineer and graduated from McGill in Montreal. By the grace of God I had a job waiting for me before I graduated. A friend of mine from Pakistan who was in the same program as me at McGill and even had the similar grades and work experiences as an intern was unable to find a job after trying valiantly for 1.5 years. He then left for Pakistan and is currently employed there in a CPEC project that is building a dam up north. He is the only one who was unsuccessful in securing a job. I personally know 20 other Pakistanis from McGill in Electrical/Mechanical/Chemical/Civil and Software Engineering who are all gainfully employed Mashallah se and were able to secure employment within the first 4-6 months of graduation.

The case is different for engineers from Pakistan with Pakistani degrees and work experience. Yes some may get employed but majority of them struggle since employers prefer Canadian (or Western) degrees and experience.
 
On utilities incase you are going for single home:

U will have:
Hydro 70-80$
Internet 100$
Gas- 70-80

Rent on getting 3bhk(independent homes) can be from 1800 upwards around GTA.

If a single person its preferable you take up a room in such homes which will have most major utilities but mostly shared bathroom,but u can get it from 500 onwards.

Transport is actually expensive compared to USA but you have different kinds with GO transport incase you are in GTA.(better to use card)

The above ones are for GTA and source:My parents.

Canadian market is good for blue collar jobs,but as already discussed above one needs to have luck and networking for Professional jobs.

For your own research ,its better to do it on ur own and link is down below to get started

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Canada
 
On utilities incase you are going for single home:

U will have:
Hydro 70-80$
Internet 100$
Gas- 70-80

Rent on getting 3bhk(independent homes) can be from 1800 upwards around GTA.

If a single person its preferable you take up a room in such homes which will have most major utilities but mostly shared bathroom,but u can get it from 500 onwards.

Transport is actually expensive compared to USA but you have different kinds with GO transport incase you are in GTA.(better to use card)

The above ones are for GTA and source:My parents.

Canadian market is good for blue collar jobs,but as already discussed above one needs to have luck and networking for Professional jobs.

For your own research ,its better to do it on ur own and link is down below to get started

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Canada

Hydro 70-80$ is wrong. Hydro (Electricity + Water) is 150$ per month.

Gas- 70-80$ is wrong. Gas is 100+$ on average per month.
 
Hydro 70-80$ is wrong. Hydro (Electricity + Water) is 150$ per month.

Gas- 70-80$ is wrong. Gas is 100+$ on average per month.

Thanks for the correction,those were the numbers I got for Milton 4 months ago but since you live there your probably have exact information.

And on my own research as well it was numbers you gave,that's why I provided the link for the same as well,which has 140$ .
 
And i was thinking to apply for Canada after doing my Acca ..

ACCA is not credited in Canada (probably USA as well). In Finance & Accounting, probably only degree that's valued is CFA (CPA, as well, but that's Canada specific). If you have an MBA, major in Finance from a reputed School, it'll be valued, but only if you have job experience in universal sectors (Telecom, Banking ....). Engineer - MBAs are accepted (if accredited as Canadian equivalence), but experience in king. If you are a fresh graduate, don't even think of coming...........
 
ACCA is not credited in Canada (probably USA as well). In Finance & Accounting, probably only degree that's valued is CFA (CPA, as well, but that's Canada specific). If you have an MBA, major in Finance from a reputed School, it'll be valued, but only if you have job experience in universal sectors (Telecom, Banking ....). Engineer - MBAs are accepted (if accredited as Canadian equivalence), but experience in king. If you are a fresh graduate, don't even think of coming...........

Somehow assumed u were in UK and not Canada.
 
Don't even think about Canada. The chances of finding professional jobs here are remote unless you have Canadian experience or education. Look to US and other countries. Canada is a blackhole for immigrants unless you study there first.
 
Don't even think about Canada. The chances of finding professional jobs here are remote unless you have Canadian experience or education. Look to US and other countries. Canada is a blackhole for immigrants unless you study there first.

Does Canadian Experience count only for Canadian companies or also companies in Canada which can be from different countries?
 
For a civil engineer which will be best city to work in Canada.
The engineer is
1: Single (no family would be moving to Canada)
2: Looking to make quick money in 2-3 years and then back to India (working already in govt sector)
3: 10 years of working experience.

Since you asked -

For Civil Engineers, probably the best area is GTA (Greater Toronto Area), as real estate is growing fast, with Asians & East Europeans are bringing hard cash & they invest in Real Estate, while Govt. is expanding public works sector. In fact, GTA is the commercial HQ, therefore it's true for most careers, unless you are Chemical or Mining Engineer.

If you think for quick buck in 2/3 years, Canada is worst place on earth - in fact South Asia is one of the fastest growing economy in world now, & best for job hunting for top pros. In Bangladesh, those who actually know their task in IT, business studies, engineering or Finance/Accounting, does 2 jobs now - 2nd one either part-time in week-end or own business/consultancy, or takes class in Private Universities. When I was there, I literally had to decline lecture offers every week-end because of the preparation required for a 2 hours class, but the money was quite good.


Coming to earning quick buck in Canada -

First, it's the harsh recession time - I doubt if you'll get a work permit. Without WP, it's not wise to come, because you might not be eligible for most corporate, ZERO chance in Govt. (Federal, State or City Corp)jobs & you won't get Health Card (treatment is hell expensive without health insurance)

Second, as a Civil engineer, you'll need professional license - otherwise you won't get, even a construction workers job. For pro license, I am sure you'll need at least 100 hours of studies for the exam, but don't know details. Many of my Engineer friends here actually completed their PEng & they are doing well (rest drives Taxi & often earns more than the Engineer).

Third, even if you have the WP & the certification - it might need 12 to 15 months to find a proper job, that pays at least $35/hour ($70K/year). It's not that job isn't available or Canadian job requirement are too tough - rather it's opposite. It's a country of 35mn people - that's <0.5% of world's population, but they own 20%+ of world's resources - bottom line, is life for 40+ generation in Canada is too comfortable. People in their 40s has become Directors after 15 years job tenure doing same sh!t everyday & they have a $150K+ job for their Diploma from Seneca or George Brown College after High School. This generation are literally scared of skilled immigrants - once we are in, they will feel the pressure. Unlike Asia, here top talents go for the Federal jobs - what is left, 80% of them are actually holding a position they are under per, therefore they are extremely possessive of their team & want instant starters,who doesn't need any guidance (Who says a Managers job is to create another Manager!!!!!). There is big pool of young immigrant pros - people in their 30s with highest level of education & experience, but are forced to work well below their level & you'll add numbers in that bucket.

Coming to your target of quick buck in 3 years - FORGET That in Canada. If everything gets right, that's you come here, do your License or Studies & get a job in say 12 months (that's 3-4 months within completion of certification - odds are almost like winning a Loto), in 2 years (3 years in total), you won't earn more than 125K, after Tax - that's almost top percentile I am talking - most cases, you won't get permanent job - that's around $100K in total. In this 3 years, apart from air fair, you'll spending

1. $500/month as rent (that's if you can find a basement, or if you are willing to share room with someone in a 2 room Condo - $1500+ hydro & Parking, shared by 4). Otherwise, single room Condo will cost around $1200

2. Food - $300/month (if you don't drink)

3. Connectivity - Mobile, Internet = $150 (Add another $25 at least if you want a TV)

4. Transport - $150/month for TTC monthly pass, or $1000/month for a Leased car (for 3 years, never buy a car - it loses 25% of purchase value, once you have taken that out of dealer's garage).

5. Cloths & others (you'll need some buddy - Kashmir's winter is like autumn here) even if you bring best efficiency from Khijiji, it's $500/year

On top of that, $3000 as a start up for furniture - that's bare minimum & in 3 years time resale value might be that someone will take your staff on his own cost.

If you travel once to India in 3 years, that's around $5000 travelling (2 times double way - even by Chinese auto plane). Now calculate what you'll take with you - that's provided that you have got the lien from GoI.


Is this so desperate here? No, absolutely not. This is one of the best place on earth for foreigners, & this is the best place for Muslims in a non Muslim country. BUT, ONLY, if you come under Federal Skilled Immigration Program, with a long term vision - and ready to stay here at least for 20 years.

How - first, if you are coming with PR (Permanent Residence), what you start is, bring cash - at least to survive 3 years, that's around $50K, for a family of 4. Then, do some studies - from Rotman to Seneca, depending on your background - money is not an issue, because you get low interest loans for studies & survival, which you'll repay only after getting a job (condition applied). Or you come with a global recognized degree - CFA, MBA ...etc. Use that study period for networking, job tracking, Industry selecting - few career has no future here, no matter what unless you are ready to restudy here for almost entire graduation - like doctors, lawyers - BUT, Engineers, Business graduates, IT pros has jobs.

By 3rd year, with a Canadian degree, with sound working experience, with excellent communication skills & with network, you should find a job (by that time, you might have to sell some property at home!!!!). Once you are in job, you'll have to be careful to keep that & better if you can find another job for your wife - this time it should be easier for Begum, since you are in the system. Once, you both are in some job, life is full of fun - a 4 member Family needs around $35K/year for a decent life, that's around 2K/month (because for 2 kids, you'll get $1200+/month as Child care & other benefit) - if 2 are working, both as low as an entry level analyst at a Bank or similar job - it's $100K+/Year combined after tax, & your kids will study in some of the best public schools in world FOR FREE till 12th class - after that, they are eligible for educational loan, which means they can study at UoT Engineering or Medicine for ZERO investment from parents through out - a graduation, that will cost over $50K just tuition fee for non Canadian Passport or PR Card holders. Then, as mentioned free health care, pension & senior citizen support program - over a 20 years plan, it's unparalleled. BUT, for 3/4 years plan (even for those who has come planning a quick shot at the Canadian passport) - IT's a HELL.

Think of long term commitment like me & my wife, or never come to Canada - stay in India, or try to move to middle-east or Malaysia for jobs.
 
Somehow assumed u were in UK and not Canada.

Because, London is in Canada (There is one) & you thought Toronto is in UK :)

I had been in UK though, for a short period.
 
Because, London is in Canada (There is one) & you thought Toronto is in UK :)

I had been in UK though, for a short period.

My bad,reading ur venue for the first time,guess your posts take all my attention :P
 
Does Canadian Experience count only for Canadian companies or also companies in Canada which can be from different countries?

All companies. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, this 'Canadian education/experience' rule is not an official rule - it's an unofficial rule followed by most employers. The people doing the hiring in Canada are still Canadian, regardless of whether the company is Canadian or not.
 
All companies. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, this 'Canadian education/experience' rule is not an official rule - it's an unofficial rule followed by most employers. The people doing the hiring in Canada are still Canadian, regardless of whether the company is Canadian or not.

Thanks,got it.
 
Can we get someone FROM the field to respond to this?

I know people first hand who came to Canada without any work experience here landing great jobs.

Example: a guy from Pakistan was able to land NOT 1 but 2 jobs at two of the 5 big banks in Canada within two months of moving to Canada. Mind you he had ZERO Canadian work or education background. Banking is VERY different here compared to Pakistan and he had was able to manage JUST fine.

On the flip side, I can also give you countless examples of people who studied and were brought up here and had difficulty finding work. I am talking about Engineers who did all their education here.

Example: someone I know first hand graduated from a VERY reputable university in Toronto and wasn't able to find an engineering job for quite some time and had to relocate.

It all depends on your attitude and networking etc. Name me a country or a city guaranteeing work after school and I'll be happy to recommend that to others I know.

There are couple things.

First, from what I hear, it is slightly easier in the financial industry. If you look around hard enough, you might be able to find something, although the starting pay probably won't be that good.

Second, there will always be exceptions. I know people in the software industry who found good professional jobs despite having no education or experience here (one of them had MBA from the US, but that shouldn't make a difference). Despite knowing this, I would advise anyone to not bother with Canada. There are infinitely more cases of people with foreign education and experience working as cab drivers, fast food workers, factory workers, clerks at stores, etc.

If you are young and are willing to get an education in Canada then you can find jobs here. But if you already have an education, you should first consider other countries that will recognize your education, so that you don't have to bother with studying again.
 
There are couple things.

First, from what I hear, it is slightly easier in the financial industry. If you look around hard enough, you might be able to find something, although the starting pay probably won't be that good.

Second, there will always be exceptions. I know people in the software industry who found good professional jobs despite having no education or experience here (one of them had MBA from the US, but that shouldn't make a difference). Despite knowing this, I would advise anyone to not bother with Canada. There are infinitely more cases of people with foreign education and experience working as cab drivers, fast food workers, factory workers, clerks at stores, etc.

If you are young and are willing to get an education in Canada then you can find jobs here. But if you already have an education, you should first consider other countries that will recognize your education, so that you don't have to bother with studying again.

You happen to conveniently look over the fact that Desi people give up the quickest and are least bothered with working hard and finding good jobs.

There was also a study done as to why they stick to the first temporary work they find and get complacent about things and can't be bothered anymore since its out of their comfort zone.

All I'll say is do you own research instead of asking people here with a predetermined mindset and a lot of negativity. Recall another similar thread and posters.

Everyone makes their own luck and if you are willing to work for it, It's a land of opportunities. Regardless of the % of world's resources vs. population comparison etc.

You can either look at the negativity around you and get depressed about things or look at the positives and get motivated by it. All depends on what you are looking for.
 
You happen to conveniently look over the fact that Desi people give up the quickest and are least bothered with working hard and finding good jobs.

There was also a study done as to why they stick to the first temporary work they find and get complacent about things and can't be bothered anymore since its out of their comfort zone.

All I'll say is do you own research instead of asking people here with a predetermined mindset and a lot of negativity. Recall another similar thread and posters.

Everyone makes their own luck and if you are willing to work for it, It's a land of opportunities. Regardless of the % of world's resources vs. population comparison etc.

You can either look at the negativity around you and get depressed about things or look at the positives and get motivated by it. All depends on what you are looking for.

I thought we (USA) had dibs on that!!:)
 
Everyone. Thank You very much for your replies. I knew I could count on this forum.

May God bless you all.
 
You happen to conveniently look over the fact that Desi people give up the quickest and are least bothered with working hard and finding good jobs.

There was also a study done as to why they stick to the first temporary work they find and get complacent about things and can't be bothered anymore since its out of their comfort zone.

All I'll say is do you own research instead of asking people here with a predetermined mindset and a lot of negativity. Recall another similar thread and posters.

Everyone makes their own luck and if you are willing to work for it, It's a land of opportunities. Regardless of the % of world's resources vs. population comparison etc.

You can either look at the negativity around you and get depressed about things or look at the positives and get motivated by it. All depends on what you are looking for.

People ask for advice and that's what they're getting - based on the experience each one of us has had. As I said, you might find odd cases here and there. This is not just with South Asians - every ethnicity will mention this problem in Canada. I'll add that if you keep looking proactively for several years, you might find something. But don't expect to come to Canada and find something good in a few months. The employers are not open to foreign experience and education as much as they are in, say, the US. There are many other countries that people with foreign experience can try first where they will have a much better chance of finding a professional job.

There is one thing not mentioned though (but it won't apply to OP anyway as he wants to live in Canada for a short amount of time). That is that you can get Canadian citizenship and then find a job much more easily in the US via the TN visa.
 
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[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] is your man but I would hazard a guess and say Toronto!
 
Ok my bad he has already replied.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] - Why doesnt Vancouver feature in these 'employment lists' eventhough it always comes out as the top city in Canada (one of the top in the world) as far as standard of living measures are concerned.
 
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