Canada considers decriminalizing all drugs

[Nikhil_cric]

If it's not a question of morality, why haven't the drugs been legalised already? Posters are just reflecting the concerns of society in general, it's hardly a cut and dried issue.

Nobody said it is a cut and dried issue Cap. As humzy mentioned, smoking cigarettes is known to be injurious to health but that is not banned in most places. Marijuana is, AFAIK, much less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol.

 

[Syed1]

Nobody said it is a cut and dried issue Cap. As humzy mentioned, smoking cigarettes is known to be injurious to health but that is not banned in most places. Marijuana is, AFAIK, much less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol.

Upto the 70s and 80s, smoking wasn't considered injurious to health. Heck most airlines had a few rows at the back where smokers could sit and smoke like a chimney throughout the flight.


There was also a time where alcohol wasn't considered to have any adverse health effects, even children and pregnant women used to have it.


Both of these scenarios seem out-worldly now.




I'm sure marijuana cannot be completely harmless to health.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nobody said it is a cut and dried issue Cap. As humzy mentioned, smoking cigarettes is known to be injurious to health but that is not banned in most places. Marijuana is, AFAIK, much less dangerous than cigarettes or alcohol.

Same question to you then. If it's not a morality issue, why hasn't it been legalised already?

 

[cricketworm]

LOL MDMA needs to get legal! And be purchased OTC?

NEVER.

You see I know that big pharma companies and certain lobby of rule makers wants to make profit of it by controlling the production of medications, but that doesn't mean that certain medications are controlled by law, is bad thing.

Law can always change, as it's changing for Marijuana. The reason why it's not changing for drugs like MDMA, is because it's absolutely not safe to be given out over the counter, or people should be allowed to make their own. There is big reason behind it. It's public safety. Health care is burned allowing cigarettes and alcohol. These controlled substance are controlled for a reason. There is clearly documented risk of abuse involved.

These medications are not banned, it's being prescribed by Doctors, not because they want to fill pockets for pharma companies, because there is a serious risk of abuse.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Alcohol and Cigarettes have caused more deaths than MDMA - this is a fact. Why are Alcohol and Cigarettes sold over the counter?

Look at Portugal. MDMA and Cannabis are LEGAL! Look at Netherlands! This has resulted in reduction of crime and deaths. Go figure, and don't deny the empirical evidence at hand because the government says it dangerous to cross the road without holding mummy's hand!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Same question to you then. If it's not a morality issue, why hasn't it been legalised already?

Simply because big pharma companies will miss out on BILLIONs of profit.

These guys pay doctors, to prescribe drugs just to bolster a share price!

What makes a person feel worse? Side effects of artificial drugs! This is before they prescribe a cocktail of them!

Cannabis and MDMA are known to have cured/assisted diseases, backed with empirical evidence.

Netherlands for example is seeing a massive trend upwards in the sale of Cannabis oil. People are travelling to Netherlands just to buy the stuff! Canada soon to be! God forbid if I am ever diagnosed with cancer, sod the radio/chemo/pills - I'm heading straight to Netherlands/Canada!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Simply because big pharma companies will miss out on BILLIONs of profit.

These guys pay doctors, to prescribe drugs just to bolster a share price!

What makes a person feel worse? Side effects of artificial drugs! This is before they prescribe a cocktail of them!

Cannabis and MDMA are known to have cured/assisted diseases, backed with empirical evidence.

Netherlands for example is seeing a massive trend upwards in the sale of Cannabis oil. People are travelling to Netherlands just to buy the stuff! Canada soon to be! God forbid if I am ever diagnosed with cancer, sod the radio/chemo/pills - I'm heading straight to Netherlands/Canada!

Interesting, but don't the medical professional bodies have a view on it? Do they leave all these decisions to big pharma?

 

[DeadBall]

Interesting, but don't the medical professional bodies have a view on it? Do they leave all these decisions to big pharma?

In the end most of them are there for profit and the Pharma lobby is very strong. They just buy out the majority with incentives, packages, shares of the profit etc. No wonder millions of children aged 2-17 are on drug cocktails for ADHD, depression and what not.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Interesting, but don't the medical professional bodies have a view on it? Do they leave all these decisions to big pharma?

I was in the USA a few years back chilling at home with by brother watching TV. After about 2 hrs, I realised something. During the commercial breaks, on average 8 out of 10 adverts were related to health. Do you suffer from this, do you suffer from that, xyz. it wasn't brainwashing, it was a classic case of instilling fear into the public. I also read a stat somewhere that the USA is the only country in the Western world where one can be bankrupt due to medical bills.

Health is massive business in the USA. USA governs its people through fear of health, and wealth! Ask an Amreekan what are the top accomplishments of their life? The top answers will include all of the following:

1 - Held a job for over 2 years.
2 - Put my kid through college.
3 - I have health insurance!

You heard of Martin Shkreli, the Bad Boy of Pharmaceuticals? Check him out.

 

[R3verse Swing]

In the end most of them are there for profit and the Pharma lobby is very strong. They just buy out the majority with incentives, packages, shares of the profit etc. No wonder millions of children aged 2-17 are on drug cocktails for ADHD, depression and what not.

ADHD is not even recognised as an official diagnosis by a majority of doctors.

Kids are full of life and vitality, but no, the pharma companies are brainwashing parents into believing there is something wrong with energetic kids! The answer? Cocktail of drugs, at a cost, which no doubt will have an adverse effect in their future health anyway!

 

[DeadBall]

ADHD is not even recognised as an official diagnosis by a majority of doctors.

Kids are full of life and vitality, but no, the pharma companies are brainwashing parents into believing there is something wrong with energetic kids! The answer? Cocktail of drugs, at a cost, which no doubt will have an adverse effect in their future health anyway!

That was my point, I mean kids and teenagers are going to through various changes due to hormones and what not. Pumping them with drugs is not the answer. My mother used to joke that the best cure for these ADHD, ADD etc is a good jhaapar. Fixed it immediately.

 

[cricketworm]

Non practicing people discuss about management of patients.

Guys everything is not a conspiracy

I am outta here.

(Not everyone is given medications who are hyperactive kids, just visit the psych wards and communicate with patient and their family who are on medications, and same patient who were off it)

 

[cricketworm]

where is [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] when you need him the most!

 

[R3verse Swing]

When a Doctor cannot explain why Alcohol and Cigarettes are not just sold over the counter but are taxed to the hilt by the government despite causing more deaths than any known drug in history, you know there is something wrong with the health industry.

 

[cricketworm]

I personally think Alcohol and ciagarettes should be banned. Since it's not banned, doesn't mean every other drugs should be legalized right and left. Arguments of alcohol and cigarettes causing millions of death is not equal to allowing less harming medications since it's 'great' for certain pool of patients.

Controlled substance are controlled for a reason. And as I said, things always change. Law always change. Just like it has for Marijuana.

I have seen many patients who has been on crystal meth, so it's absolutely 'No' for me being sold without a control. I don't care if you are talking about pure or impure. You can use it for experimental drugs for illness, but people shouldn't be allowed to make their own or it should be over the counter.

 

[James]

Cigarettes should definitely be banned and I think it is going this way. Every few years in the UK a new initiative is passed which makes smokers increasingly the personae non gratae. The percentage of smokers is going down every year.

Alcohol however just seems to get more and more popular. It is utterly ubiquitous in our culture - consumed and advertised everywhere. You cannot escape. It is illuminating when visiting a different country and realising that British and Irish people really are disgracefully heavy drinkers - and equally heavily marketed to be such!!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Cigarettes should definitely be banned and I think it is going this way. Every few years in the UK a new initiative is passed which makes smokers increasingly the personae non gratae. The percentage of smokers is going down every year.

Alcohol however just seems to get more and more popular. It is utterly ubiquitous in our culture - consumed and advertised everywhere. You cannot escape. It is illuminating when visiting a different country and realising that British and Irish people really are disgracefully heavy drinkers - and equally heavily marketed to be such!!

Fun fact. Alcohol is an Arabic word. Comes from when Islamic scientists discovered distillation!

 

[DeadBall]

Fun fact. Alcohol is an Arabic word. Comes from when Islamic scientists discovered distillation!

Actually it comes from the Arabic word Al Kuhl (also the base word of "ghouls" i,e spirits) which is further derived from the Hebrew word Khahal which means a stain and is also the source of the word "Kaajal" we use today. The anti septic qualities was why it was used for ethanol and other spirits later on.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I would vouch for Adderall..always works for me when I want to get long or difficult tasks done. Turns me into a machine. My offshore colleagues always ask me, when do you sleep?

 

[humzy]

Same question to you then. If it's not a morality issue, why hasn't it been legalised already?

There are a few reasons. I would start off by reading into into fundamentalist Christianity in the 1920s and their view on drugs and their use of racist propaganda to ban marijuana.

Also read into the business interests of guys like William Hearst and Dupont who would benefit greatly from the banning of hemp.

Obviously our generation is not as dumb as previous ones which is why it is rapidly being legalised or at least decriminalised throughout the western world.

 

[sshakir411]

I would vouch for Adderall..always works for me when I want to get long or difficult tasks done. Turns me into a machine. My offshore colleagues always ask me, when do you sleep?

Adderall is pretty popular in the US. Lots of students and professionals take it daily....but I feel it really burns you out after a few days. Plus it makes me smoke cigs more than usual.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

How is the law good except the fact that govt. can tax it?

I wouldnt want the children or any other person from my family near any of these drugs and that is the metric i will use to support or oppose a law for others as well.

If it is readily available for sale how would it be possible to regulate its use? How will it be possible to prevent children from getting access to it when it is available so easily for any adult (who can later sell it). What would be the effects on the population say after 10 years of this law. How common would it be to see people walking around not in their senses? I am not very well versed with the addiction part and which drugs are more addictive but addiction surely is another problem??

Overall i believe it is pointless and dangerous to lift the blanket ban on all drugs.

It's the same with alcohol you don't want anyone close to you to be a drinker but it is easily available to anyone that wants to drink. But because it is regulated instead of a complete ban it causes less harm compared to if it had been illegal like it is in Pakistan and some states of India where every year many people die because of homemade alcohol. I personally think many vices like drugs, alcohol and gambling etc are better of being legal and regulated rather than illegal and underground because humans will still do them but with them being legal and regulated the money generated will actually come into economy rather than line the pockets of criminals. The black money generated by vices results in a lot more other crimes gang wars etc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are a few reasons. I would start off by reading into into fundamentalist Christianity in the 1920s and their view on drugs and their use of racist propaganda to ban marijuana.

Also read into the business interests of guys like William Hearst and Dupont who would benefit greatly from the banning of hemp.

Obviously our generation is not as dumb as previous ones which is why it is rapidly being legalised or at least decriminalised throughout the western world.

Fair enough. I think the real debate would revolve around how it should be regulated once it is legalised. For example, would they be prescribed or available to buy off the shelf? Obviously they would need similar regulations or stricter that we see applied to other substances such as alcohol or glue.

 

[humzy]

Fair enough. I think the real debate would revolve around how it should be regulated once it is legalised. For example, would they be prescribed or available to buy off the shelf? Obviously they would need similar regulations or stricter that we see applied to other substances such as alcohol or glue.

I would consider the opposite if I was forced to regulate strictly. Alcohol should be more heavily regulated the marijuana considering its effects on public health, alcoholism, death, driving accidents, alcohol related violence.

But my real view is extremely liberal on this subject. Complete autonomy on what a human does to their own body in terms mind altering substances.

 

[cricketworm]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says marijuana will be legal nationwide on October 17. <a href="https://t.co/RflHPHZNeJ">https://t.co/RflHPHZNeJ</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/1009516601832624128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Abdul]

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Yeah boy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah boy.

Its just a matter of time before other nations esp Europeans follow suit. It's foolish to allow alcohol but not cannabis which is much safer for the individual and for society.

 

[Markhor]

Well done to PM Trudeau. Here in the UK we're only at the stage of "reviewing" medical marijuana so we're still taking baby steps.

Compare the numbers of people who've overdosed from legal prescription opioids to those who have died from marijuana every year. Yet marijuana remains an illegal substance despite evidence showing it can treat chronic pain and avoid the multitude of side effects that opioids cause.

The War on Drugs and all the laws created to enforce it has only made the illicit drug trade more profitable, and fill the coffers of private prison companies who benefit from all these people being locked up for non-violent drug offences.

 

[cricketworm]

Smell of Marijuana is as bad as Skunk's gas from behind though. Extremely, annoying and nauseating. Our neighbor smoke it and we need to close windows in Summer. It's irritating.

People who recently smokes it and comes in close door rooms leave strong smell behind them.

Many Canadian MPs have started investigating in farm. Millionaires will be richer.

So, apparently, from Oct 17, you can grow up to 3 plants in your home legally.