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As Jagmeet Singh, the newly elected leader of the Canada’s New Democratic Party (NDP), is busy with a countrywide introductory tour, he has made it clear he considers self-determination to be a “basic right” in places such as Punjab, Catalonia or Quebec.
Singh was quoted by Huffington Post as saying during a news conference in Ottawa last week: “So whether it is in Punjab, for the people of Punjab, or whether it is in Catalonia, for the people of that region, whether it is in Basque, wherever that is, whether it is in Quebec, it’s a basic right. Everyone should be able to do that.”
The 38-year-old politician has already been criticised for his support for the legal right of the province of Quebec to break away from Canada.
Huffington Post also quoted him as saying on the issue of self-determination, “It is a right that is so fundamental and if people choose their future, I am completely in agreement with their decision. I, personally, would love us to stay together, but at the same time I respect the decision without fault.”
But in equating self-determination and the issue of recent separatist movements to the demand for a separate Sikh homeland, Singh is echoing the strategy adopted by hardline groups such as Sikhs for Justice (SFJ), which is spearheading the so-called “Khalistan 2020 Referendum” effort.
This may be a coincidence, and SFJ’s legal advisor Gurpatwant Pannun said that while he had communicated with Singh in 2010-11, there had been “no contact” since then.
Pannun was in Irbil, the capital of the region of Kurdistan, as a referendum was held there and afterwards, he travelled to Barcelona for the Catalonian vote for separating from Spain.
He is in currently in Italy, where two regions are seeking partial autonomy. Speaking to Hindustan Times from Milan, Pannun said, “I’m visiting these places to see the procedure, to see the outcome, and the legalities and the formalities – how they are handling it.”


Pannun did not react to the similarity in Singh’s stance with that of the SFJ, saying, “I wouldn’t comment on what he says because he is a political person and we are running a campaign for the independence of Punjab.”
Shuvaloy Majumdar, Munk Senior Fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa, who has written in favour of a free Kurdistan, felt it was “a bit opportunistic” for votaries of Khalistan to tie themselves to the movements in Kurdistan or Catalonia, because the circumstances in India were different.
“The idea they (Sikhs in India) are perpetually persecuted is not a reality,” he argued.
But Majumdar was scathing in his assessment of the NDP leader’s position: “There doesn’t appear to be a secessionist cause that Mr Singh can’t help being romantically drawn to. Conflating Quebec and Khalistan is just subversive to Canada – by fomenting separatism from within, and justifying terrorism abroad.”
It appears, however, that the issue of Khalistan will continue to be a factor that could figure frequently in Singh’s rhetoric as he continues his campaign leading the NDP.
Singh, who was denied a visa by India in December 2013 and has been critical of the Narendra Modi government, is a member of the Ontario provincial parliament.
He also introduced a motion in the Ontario Assembly in 2016 for the 1984 anti-Sikh riots in India to be termed “genocide”. Soon after election as the new head of the NDP, Singh attracted controversy with his refusal to condemn the practice at some Canadian gurdwaras of displaying portraits of Talwinder Singh Parmar, the man considered the “mastermind” of the Air India flight 182 bombing in 1985 that claimed 329 lives.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...lonia-stand/story-vP3ISJne3uRoIVDDE4FdUM.html

He might be the next Prime Minister of Canada.
 
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Hopefully he becomes the PM, and we could see another Quebec vote to self determination,this time with backdrop of massive immigration allowed by Liberals.

GoJaggi Go,please support another for Scotland as well.
 
People are not realizing Jaggi would be a great PM,and that too coming after Justin it's exactly what Canada needs sadly though Justin has dented Sikh votebase of JAGGI by his recent drama.
 
I just hope this clown is not elected as our next PM. I will even take racist like Harper over this clown. Im sure lot of Indians (non punjabis) would be thinking same.

#Go-Trudeau
 
Hopefully he becomes the PM, and we could see another Quebec vote to self determination,this time with backdrop of massive immigration allowed by Liberals.

GoJaggi Go,please support another for Scotland as well.
He is just basically appealing to Khalistanis fanbois, but will failed in his pursuit. There are lot of desis who admire Trudeau and dont see anyone dethrones him.
 
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Is it this guy?
 
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He is just basically appealing to Khalistanis fanbois, but will failed in his pursuit. There are lot of desis who admire Trudeau and dont see anyone dethrones him.

I think he will be dethroned. You are correct that most of the desi I’ve met like him but vast desi’s Who own business are tired of him.

Do you live in GTA area? How is he rated outside of non-desi populated areas?
 
I think he will be dethroned. You are correct that most of the desi I’ve met like him but vast desi’s Who own business are tired of him.

Do you live in GTA area? How is he rated outside of non-desi populated areas?

Trudeau is still very popular among desis of all classes. But you’re right some business owners are bit irked by his policies, specially him allowing Syrian refugees free reign, and taxing us Canadians for their housing and food. If he can fix his refugees crisis then he can win back votes that otherwise may cost him next election. Yes i live in GTA.

Coming to your point on desis in other areas like Praire and BC, then its divided. Most punjabis would vote for this Jagmeet clown purely based on religious sentiments, whereas desis who are non punjabis would never want him as PM. As far as Trudeau’s popularity among non desis then it doesn’t look that good. In last election he won purely based on two things favouring him, 1) People were tired of Harper, and 2) Trudeau is son of former PM who was good PM in his time.
But now lot of white voters are irked by his never ending love for immigrants and refugees which may cost him election. But i still dont see white voters electing brown PM (and i do hope they don’t). Last thing we want is our PM creates division in our otherwise unified society.
 
Hopefully he becomes the PM, and we could see another Quebec vote to self determination,this time with backdrop of massive immigration allowed by Liberals.

GoJaggi Go,please support another for Scotland as well.

I wouldnt care if Quebec parts away, just want Montreal to be still acessible to us Canadians, hehe its a party city of Canada #CanadianVegas
 
Lets suppose he wins, how will India react to him becoming a PM because he clearly supports Punjabi separatists?
 
Lets suppose he wins, how will India react to him becoming a PM because he clearly supports Punjabi separatists?

He would be barred from entering India, and I also see India revoking visa free enteries to Canadians. But realistically I dont see him getting elected as our PM. He will create rift among Canadians.
 
That is probably why the current Canadian PM is being given the cold shoulder by Modi as he is perceived as being pro Khalistan. Azhar is teaching him how to play Cricket or he is meeting Shahrukh! Modi seems to be ignoring him!
 
Trudeau is still very popular among desis of all classes. But you’re right some business owners are bit irked by his policies, specially him allowing Syrian refugees free reign, and taxing us Canadians for their housing and food. If he can fix his refugees crisis then he can win back votes that otherwise may cost him next election. Yes i live in GTA.

Coming to your point on desis in other areas like Praire and BC, then its divided. Most punjabis would vote for this Jagmeet clown purely based on religious sentiments, whereas desis who are non punjabis would never want him as PM. As far as Trudeau’s popularity among non desis then it doesn’t look that good. In last election he won purely based on two things favouring him, 1) People were tired of Harper, and 2) Trudeau is son of former PM who was good PM in his time.
But now lot of white voters are irked by his never ending love for immigrants and refugees which may cost him election. But i still dont see white voters electing brown PM (and i do hope they don’t). Last thing we want is our PM creates division in our otherwise unified society.

If only Brampton were to vote to elect next PM then Jagmeet would get 99% of the votes. I’ve never seen so many Indian Punjabis in one city in North America.

The reason I think JT won’t win because white population and any desi who is earning over $ 100k a year. They just don’t want to pay that much in taxes. Let’s see.
 
All these pro Khalistani Sikh's should come to and work from India if they want independence. They are not gonna get it when sitting in the UK, Canada or America. When Quaid Jinnah wanted Pakistan he fought for it from British India not the United Kingdom. If Khalistan is ever formed the movement needs to be based in India. Talk is cheap, these Sikh's should fight for it in India if they are so hard.
 
All these pro Khalistani Sikh's should come to and work from India if they want independence. They are not gonna get it when sitting in the UK, Canada or America. When Quaid Jinnah wanted Pakistan he fought for it from British India not the United Kingdom. If Khalistan is ever formed the movement needs to be based in India. Talk is cheap, these Sikh's should fight for it in India if they are so hard.
Pro Khalistanis are banned from entering India. Those who left India on refugees basis are no longer Indians and are also not eligible for OCI or Indian visas. Secondly, even if they somehow manges to get to India they cant do a thing unless local sikhs supports the cause, which seems unlikely. Indian sikhs in India are happy to be part of India. Khalistan will always be a dream.
 
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Is it this guy?

Yes.
 
Pro Khalistanis are banned from entering India. Those who left India on refugees basis are no longer Indians and are also not eligible for OCI or Indian visas. Secondly, even if they somehow manges to get to India they cant do a thing unless local sikhs supports the cause, which seems unlikely. Indian sikhs in India are happy to be part of India. Khalistan will always be a dream.

Well if they are banned then that is there problem, hard luck! They just have to fight the system and get unbanned. As I say talk is cheap, nothing is gonna happen with them sitting in foreign countries. Are Quaid Jinnah said "Sikh's are politically naive" and they are.
 
He is just basically appealing to Khalistanis fanbois, but will failed in his pursuit. There are lot of desis who admire Trudeau and dont see anyone dethrones him.

Like my parents, but Jaggy boy becoming a PM is a massive possibility, Sikhs are amazing politicians in western countries,they are rising up slowly in UK and USA as well, comparing to their population % they always punch above their weight.

Even Nikki Haley was an ex Sikhni.
 
Like my parents, but Jaggy boy becoming a PM is a massive possibility, Sikhs are amazing politicians in western countries,they are rising up slowly in UK and USA as well, comparing to their population % they always punch above their weight.

Even Nikki Haley was an ex Sikhni.

He's a terrorist sympathizer man. But yeah it would be interesting to see his policies once he becomes PM. I hope he remains consistent and immediately gives right to self determination to people of Quebec after acquiring power.
 
Like my parents, but Jaggy boy becoming a PM is a massive possibility, Sikhs are amazing politicians in western countries,they are rising up slowly in UK and USA as well, comparing to their population % they always punch above their weight.

Even Nikki Haley was an ex Sikhni.

Like Nikki Haley, Jagmeet will be good as a support role like our current defense minister, but I dont see him becoming PM of Canada. Non punjabis wont vote for him, not when Trudeau is also contesting.
 
Well if they are banned then that is there problem, hard luck! They just have to fight the system and get unbanned. As I say talk is cheap, nothing is gonna happen with them sitting in foreign countries. Are Quaid Jinnah said "Sikh's are politically naive" and they are.

They do not have any right to fight the ban against them. They left India claiming refugees in other countries, and thats when they officially denounce Indian rights. Infact, many rich sikhs in Vancouver tried challenging the ban but couldnt do a zilch. Indian Govt be it Congress or Bjp they both are not in any mood allowing Khalistani sympatiser in India which is right move. Now, would you be ok if Baluch seperatist people are allowed to freely enter and leave Pakistan?
 
The guy openly refused to condemn air India bombing and that's when majority of passengers who died were Canadian Nationals. Should never be allowed to visit Amritsar.
 
The guy openly refused to condemn air India bombing and that's when majority of passengers who died were Canadian Nationals. Should never be allowed to visit Amritsar.

If he becomes PM of Canada then i cant imagine how terrifying its going to be. I still dont see him becoming Pm of Canada.
 
Lol @ people saying non punnabi won't for him. If Justin wasnt running again then I'm sure most Canadian Muslims and Brown and Black Canadians apart frkm from Hindus would vote for him. Also a large number of Hindu girls of this generation who are feminists would also vote for him
 
Once Punjab goes and India won't be able to use Sikh soldiers to fight their wars then kashmir will fall.

You mean Sikh soldiers are ready to die for India defending Kashmir but are not ready to do that for Khalisthan? does that tell you what you need to know about how much support is there for Khalisthan?
 
You mean Sikh soldiers are ready to die for India defending Kashmir but are not ready to do that for Khalisthan? does that tell you what you need to know about how much support is there for Khalisthan?

Idk all i know is most sikhs where I live identify as sikh and punjabi first.
 
Looks like the Poonjabi identity is pretty strong among erm Brtis,Canadians and Muricans,its time Kiwis and Kangroos join in on this as well,they have been pretty much wearing Indian jersey everytime when cricket matches happen.
 
Lets suppose he wins, how will India react to him becoming a PM because he clearly supports Punjabi separatists?

He doesnt even hold a Parliamentary seat yet. If he becomes the PM and the official policy of Canada changes to support for a secessionist movement in India then relations will be worse than that is between India and Pakistan.
 
it so funny seen people on pp not knowing about single knowledge about geopolitics

let say sikh want referendum in punjab they have put a motion supported they Independence in un and then it has to be supported by five unsc groups which include russia so will russia supported india separatist movement when india and russia are long time ally

another thing is if usa want to counter china then cannot supported india any separatist movement

and even pakistan can not supported sikh separatist movement because if do that india will lose control
his water source in Kashmir and Pakistan will have renegotiated Indus water treaty with Kashmir and India and khalistan that means less share of water to Pakistan because most of the water of Pakistan come from Kashmir
 
it so funny seen people on pp not knowing about single knowledge about geopolitics

let say sikh want referendum in punjab they have put a motion supported they Independence in un and then it has to be supported by five unsc groups which include russia so will russia supported india separatist movement when india and russia are long time ally

another thing is if usa want to counter china then cannot supported india any separatist movement

and even pakistan can not supported sikh separatist movement because if do that india will lose control
his water source in Kashmir and Pakistan will have renegotiated Indus water treaty with Kashmir and India and khalistan that means less share of water to Pakistan because most of the water of Pakistan come from Kashmir

They don't have to do that, Britain didn't go through the UN to hold the Scottish referendum.
 
He is just basically appealing to Khalistanis fanbois, but will failed in his pursuit. There are lot of desis who admire Trudeau and dont see anyone dethrones him.

too many Sikhs in NA are rabidly pro-Khalistan

even that JusReign guy is a rabid Khalistan backer.

Ive met a few Sikhs from California who were same.
 
They don't have to do that, Britain didn't go through the UN to hold the Scottish referendum.

that was in uk this is india there is difference between these countries

let say so sikh have referendum like Scottish referendum it will not succeed
because india supreme court will not accepted it because there was recent amendment in indian parliament any state in india cannot ask referendum without supreme court permission
so who interest will indian supreme court supported
 
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Idiot. The movement died down years ago. No point bringing it up again. Would most probably lose votes too, due to his stance.
 
They don't have to do that, Britain didn't go through the UN to hold the Scottish referendum.

Think you are barking up the wrong tree my friend, Khalistan is a demand of Expat Sikhs not Indian Sikhs, do you think Scottish referendum would have happened if the support for it came from America and Rest of Europe but none from people actually living in Scotland.
 
too many Sikhs in NA are rabidly pro-Khalistan

even that JusReign guy is a rabid Khalistan backer.

Ive met a few Sikhs from California who were same.

Sikh alone will not win you Canadian election. He is only getting backing from Sikhs, but other desis hate that guy.
 
Whatever his stance might be on the issue of self-determination for sikhs in punjab. He has no realistic chance of becoming the Canadian prime minister because of many reasons. First, New democratic party has never won a federal election before and it is unlikely to happen now. Their left-leaning policy just does not appeal to the majority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada#Visible_minority_population

Latest 2016 census shows whites are 72.9% of canada populations. Those white voters who are fed up with Trudeau will opt for Conservaties and might be averse to voting for a sikh. Among minorities, non-punjabi indians (mostly hindus) won't vote for him because of khalistan issue. For muslim voters, Trudeau is a better option. Chinese are another large demographic, and they don't tend to support the NDP
 
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Idiot. The movement died down years ago. No point bringing it up again. Would most probably lose votes too, due to his stance.

Dont think thats his aim either

He just wants to redirect global attention to that issue and bring it to light and is somewhat succeeding in this regard
 
Dont think thats his aim either

He just wants to redirect global attention to that issue and bring it to light and is somewhat succeeding in this regard

what advantage will it make when sikh are not gonna majority in Punjab 2030
 
what advantage will it make when sikh are not gonna majority in Punjab 2030

none. just some personal satisfaction for pro-independence folks

only time khalistan will be a real issue again is if there is some major incident in punjab
 
too many Sikhs in NA are rabidly pro-Khalistan

even that JusReign guy is a rabid Khalistan backer.

Ive met a few Sikhs from California who were same.

Like I said on the other thread, I think we Pakistanis need to be objective about this, and if Canada and the US is rampant with extremist Sikhs who are causing trouble for India, maybe we Pakistanis should back the mostly Hindu posters here and give them our support.
 
Sikhs are amazing politicians in western countries,they are rising up slowly in UK and USA as well, comparing to their population % they always punch above their weight.

Not in the UK, they’re almost non existent in politics
 
Jagmeet Singh has as much chance of being PM as I do..... but leave it to parosi PP'ers to not spare any opportunity to chest thump. Mera bharat mahaan
 
Jagmeet Singh has as much chance of being PM as I do..... but leave it to parosi PP'ers to not spare any opportunity to chest thump. Mera bharat mahaan

But I have heard He's the only decent opposition to Trudeau?
 
But I have heard He's the only decent opposition to Trudeau?

Certain parts of Canada like Alberta, Quebec, rural Ontario aren't very diverse and probably won't vote for someone who looks "different" from them.
 
do majority of Indian Punjabi Sikhs support a separate homeland? I think we need evidence of this claim like a referendum before supporting it.
 
Certain parts of Canada like Alberta, Quebec, rural Ontario aren't very diverse and probably won't vote for someone who looks "different" from them.

I don't see NDP winning the elections, Jagmeet Singh or not. Likely a two horse race between Trudeau and Scheer (the latter is a closet Harper). If Trudeau wasn't running, I'd likely vote for Jagmeet Singh and I'm not Punjabir nor Sikh.
 
Jagmeet Singh has as much chance of being PM as I do..... but leave it to parosi PP'ers to not spare any opportunity to chest thump. Mera bharat mahaan
Lol jagmeet singh seems to be very anti India and wants a seperate Homeland for the persecuted Sikhs so it's not a chest thumping opportunity for them unfortunately
 
The guy openly refused to condemn air India bombing and that's when majority of passengers who died were Canadian Nationals. Should never be allowed to visit Amritsar.

Did Modi ever condemn Hindus with respect to the Gujarat violence/riots in 2002?
 
Did Modi ever condemn Hindus with respect to the Gujarat violence/riots in 2002?

If he had to condemn it would be the muslims who caused the riots. Modi ji did great work in containing the riots and has expressed sorrow for innocent victims. In an ideal world he would get Nobel Peace for preventing riots in Gujarat which were a normal occurrence before his tenure.
 
[MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] do you think Jagmeet Singh will sell Uranium to India if he wins and India bans him from the country?
 
although Sikhs have been persecuted a lot in India but Tribals, Dalits and Muslims have been persecuted too in India, in fact a lot more than Sikhs, so their right to self-determination should also be respected
 
[MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] do you think Jagmeet Singh will sell Uranium to India if he wins and India bans him from the country?

Now this is a question!

The answer is a resounding no.

Firstly, India will ban him. Secondly, he will want to create an independent state for Sikhs, separate from India. Ergo, it will make no sense for Jags to sell Uranium to the perceived enemy.

He can sell to Pakistan instead! ;)
 
Now this is a question!

The answer is a resounding no.

Firstly, India will ban him. Secondly, he will want to create an independent state for Sikhs, separate from India. Ergo, it will make no sense for Jags to sell Uranium to the perceived enemy.

He can sell to Pakistan instead! ;)

I hope Jagga becomes the canadian PM, whatever his views may be. We need strong sikhs in the world.
 
Desis don't won't win you election unless it's Ontario, rest is more than 70% white votes. And they won't for Jagmeet Singh. I like NDP, they are good opposition party. Still Liberal gets my vote, as world needs Liberal party more than Canada. Trudeau's refugee policy saved many lives.
 
Trudeau going to pro-khalistani parties or his minister going there is purely stunt to win Punjabi's votes. They don't care about khalistan, but India has none of it. And I like that stand by BJP.

And don't forget congress is also as strict against Khalistan, they are the one who made a mess in the first place if I am not mistaking.
 
although Sikhs have been persecuted a lot in India but Tribals, Dalits and Muslims have been persecuted too in India, in fact a lot more than Sikhs, so their right to self-determination should also be respected

Yes all the 100+ persecuted groups in India deserve their own country.
 
As a wisher of a Hindu state, do you think Sikhs deserve their own land? Or do you believe Sikhs are a sect of Hinduism?

They do. A Hindu State will help in achieving that. I believe in putting on the oxygen mask first before helping others.
 
Desis don't won't win you election unless it's Ontario, rest is more than 70% white votes. And they won't for Jagmeet Singh. I like NDP, they are good opposition party. Still Liberal gets my vote, as world needs Liberal party more than Canada. Trudeau's refugee policy saved many lives.

Isn't BC like really diverse? I think Vancouver has a big Sikh population.
 
Would you give them Punjab? Obviously they will not have any of Pakistani punjab.

How can I give anyone anything? What land and borders they want is up to the Sikhs to decide. I can only say that I agree with their right to have a Sikh homeland.
 
Isn't BC like really diverse? I think Vancouver has a big Sikh population.

Issue is voter turn out is low in BC. BC is pretty much divided between Liberal NDP and Conservative. So, if all Punjabis decides to vote NDP they have a chance but QC will not vote for NDP much, Alberta is full conservative, so even if BC is won by NDP, Liberal will still get all Ontario votes.

See not only desis votes for Liberal, there are plenty Muslim votes, and other minority votes, liberal gets.

Liberal voters aren't happy with current ontario premier. So, will be very tough battle for Liberals.
 
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I think Jags will win in 2019 making history, do one term then Justin returns in 2023 like his father did.
 
They do not have any right to fight the ban against them. They left India claiming refugees in other countries, and thats when they officially denounce Indian rights. Infact, many rich sikhs in Vancouver tried challenging the ban but couldnt do a zilch. Indian Govt be it Congress or Bjp they both are not in any mood allowing Khalistani sympatiser in India which is right move. Now, would you be ok if Baluch seperatist people are allowed to freely enter and leave Pakistan?

Well if they don't have any rights to fiight the ban then that's to bad!:shadab I think the Baluch separatists are much fewer then the Sikh ones. The Sikh's had their opportunity of freedom in 1947 and missed the boat. They just gotta live with that decision now. Keep them happy by continuing to produce some pro-Sikh movies with Sunny Deol bashing a hundred Pakistanis!:asif
 
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I wonder what the Sikhs bros on the forum think of this [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]
 
He is someone who will win only one seat from his own riding. Historic NDP Strongholds of BC, AB, SK, MB dont even like this guy. Canada will secede to the US before this guy becomes a PM.
 
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