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"Can't imagine Afridi making these comments if Pakistani players were still in IPL" : Mohammad Kaif

big_gamer007 said:
Loss of any innocent life is extremely sad and should be condemned.. However empty condemnation in just words is not the solution but strong steps need to be taken no innocent life is lost.

Having said that what I don’t understand is why the parents are allowing their kids to throw stones? Why don’t our Pakistani friends not condemn Pakistan government who sponsors the separatist elements who give 500 rs to throw stones?

Let’s be real here no one gives two hoots about Kashmiris on this forum.. All people care about is throwing mud at each other.. If people actually cared about Kashmiris you will start at home and ask your own government to stop doing stuff which puts innocents lives in danger..

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
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So all of this just proofs that Kashmiri do not want to be part of India if all it takes 500 rs to throw stones at an oppressive army with guns.

All you have suggested that be obedient to oppressive regime or get killed.

Imagine if all the freedom fighter were obedient. African American would still be picking cotton on the field, British would still be exporting spices from India, In South Africa, blacks female would be jailed for marrying a white guy.
 
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Yup that target consisted of Children throwing stones.

I've read some proper garbage in my time from Indians. I have had some proper verbals with Indians in my time, but they are saints compered to Indians like you.

People like you (terrorist sympathisers) must NOT be ignored, but EXPOSED.
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Precisely, the reason you are going to my ignore list. The absolute gall to have UN certified terrorist and providing safe haven for them to operate freely and calling other as terrorist sympathizers? :))

Oh and one more thing, American UAVs have killed 138 children (not civilians which runs in folds of thousands) in Pakistan and Pakistan army kept letting them, therefore had equal hand in killing those kids, does that make them terrorists?

Only if press was allowed in baluchistan we wouldn't have to speculate how many children they killed in baluchistan to clamp down insurgency.

Just some food for thought, keep your delusional self happy by saying other countries proud armymen 'terrorists'.

Goodbye! :D
 
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big_gamer007 said:
Loss of any innocent life is extremely sad and should be condemned.. However empty condemnation in just words is not the solution but strong steps need to be taken no innocent life is lost.

Having said that what I don’t understand is why the parents are allowing their kids to throw stones? Why don’t our Pakistani friends not condemn Pakistan government who sponsors the separatist elements who give 500 rs to throw stones?

Let’s be real here no one gives two hoots about Kashmiris on this forum.. All people care about is throwing mud at each other.. If people actually cared about Kashmiris you will start at home and ask your own government to stop doing stuff which puts innocents lives in danger..

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
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Have said a number of times. Make LoC permanent boundary.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Loss of any innocent life is extremely sad and should be condemned.. However empty condemnation in just words is not the solution but strong steps need to be taken no innocent life is lost.

Having said that what I don’t understand is why the parents are allowing their kids to throw stones? Why don’t our Pakistani friends not condemn Pakistan government who sponsors the separatist elements who give 500 rs to throw stones?

Let’s be real here no one gives two hoots about Kashmiris on this forum.. All people care about is throwing mud at each other.. If people actually cared about Kashmiris you will start at home and ask your own government to stop doing stuff which puts innocents lives in danger..

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
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Do you really believe that nonsense ? Do you honestly think that a parent will put his child's life in danger for RS 500 ?

Now coming to asking your government part, If you think that Pakistanis are training these "terrorists"(as you refer to them) and Kashmir has no indigenous independence movement than is it not your responsibility to first question your own security institutions ? With half a million(not sure of exact numbers) army in Kashmir, you are telling me that Pakistani agents "brainwash" these Kashmiri people and have been doing this since decades. What does that tell you about your security agencies ?
 
Greenstorm said:
Exactly. I feel sorry for Kashmiris and Indian Muslims.
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Sometimes feel bad for Pakistani hindus. They are coming in as refugees to India.

Or may be they are not humans enough.

Btw how many Indian muslims have gone to Pakistan as a refugee?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sometimes feel bad for Pakistani hindus. They are coming in as refugees to India.

Or may be they are not humans enough.

Btw how many Indian muslims have gone to Pakistan as a refugee?
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You have every right to be.:) I condemn whatever wrong is happening with Hindus in Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ice cricket is a novelty. If its viable a lot of countries can play T20s in Winter months. Thats the reason to support it.
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Don't really get into these chest thumping discussions but the point was they were buddy/buddy a few months ago and Kaif was playing for a league even worse than Uganda as you so succinctly put it.
 
DeadBall said:
Don't really get into these chest thumping discussions but the point was they were buddy/buddy a few months ago and Kaif was playing for a league even worse than Uganda as you so succinctly put it.
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Switzerland is worse than Uganda? Really?

Kaif said what he said after Afridi said something about his country.Nothing buddy buddy about it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Switzerland is worse than Uganda? Really?

Kaif said what he said after Afridi said something about his country.Nothing buddy buddy about it.
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Regarding cricket, I would rate Uganda above Switzerland, everyday of the week. Admire your tenacity to ignore all common sense and facts just to support your narrative though. Maybe everyone else is right about brainwashed Indians on here.
 
DeadBall said:
Regarding cricket, I would rate Uganda above Switzerland, everyday of the week. Admire your tenacity to ignore all common sense and facts just to support your narrative though. Maybe everyone else is right about brainwashed Indians on here.
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Any idea about Ice cricket initiative? Didnt the Pakistani players get stuck in Uganda and didnt get paid? Better than Switzerland?

My narrative is simple, if i earned my bread somewhere i will think twice before bad mouthing that country if one day i lose my employment there. And if i dont like a country and its policies i wont go to work there.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Any idea about Ice cricket initiative? Didnt the Pakistani players get stuck in Uganda and didnt get paid? Better than Switzerland?

My narrative is simple, if i earned my bread somewhere i will think twice before bad mouthing that country if one day i lose my employment there. And if i dont like a country and its policies i wont go to work there.
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The point was that you said that Pakistani players had to go to Uganda to play but Kaif also went for this mickey mouse show because he had to secure his finances but then was probably forced to confront Afridi due ti media pressure from you types. Forget ice initiatives. I thought you were one of the more sincere types but your program here is to ignore facts and just further a specific narrative or propaganda. Maybe all this negativity is warranted.
 
DeadBall said:
The point was that you said that Pakistani players had to go to Uganda to play but Kaif also went for this mickey mouse show because he had to secure his finances but then was probably forced to confront Afridi due ti media pressure from you types. Forget ice initiatives. I thought you were one of the more sincere types but your program here is to ignore facts and just further a specific narrative or propaganda. Maybe all this negativity is warranted.
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There is a hell lot of difference between Ice cricket initiative and a mickey mouse league in Uganda which was basically a con job of sorts.

Kaif is among coaching staff of IPL so his finances are pretty secure.


Forced to confront is your opinion. He as an indian is only replying back to a Pakistani. Why is it hard to understand that except a miniscule minority Indian muslims are as Indians as any.


Kaif didnot retaliate againist Afridi till Afridi said things againist Kaifs country. Tgats a pretty simple equation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There is a hell lot of difference between Ice cricket initiative and a mickey mouse league in Uganda which was basically a con job of sorts.

Kaif is among coaching staff of IPL so his finances are pretty secure.


Forced to confront is your opinion. He as an indian is only replying back to a Pakistani. Why is it hard to understand that except a miniscule minority Indian muslims are as Indians as any.


Kaif didnot retaliate againist Afridi till Afridi said things againist Kaifs country. Tgats a pretty simple equation.
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You have to understand that Pakistanis hate Indian Muslims a lot more than they hate an average non-Muslim Indian. With non-Muslim Indians, it's just the regular India-Pakistan dushmani. But they see Indian Muslims as traitors who didn't align with their two-nation theory.

Kaif is a symbol of new middle-class India that emerged in the 90s. He grew up in UP, not in traditional cricketing powerhouses like Mumbai, Delhi, or Karnataka. He was supremely fit, unlike other pot-bellied cricketers of his generation. He didn't have the talent of a Sachin Tendulkar, but he worked hard to earn his place in the Indian side. He was not as spectacularly successful as Yuvraj Singh or Sehwag, but had a okay-ish career. He didn't have any Godfather promoting him. Basically he showed what a sincere, hardworking youth coming from any background could achieve in India if they applied their mind to it, instead of wasting their time throwing stones at cops.

Now he's a coach and (hopefully) leading a comfortable life with his family.

Naturally the Pakistanis hate him and insinuate that somehow he has to demonstrate his loyalty to "Hindu India." What these Pakistanis are too stupid to realize is that the reason Kaif lives in India and supports India with all his heart is because that's what he wants to do. If he wanted to go to their Islamic jannat in Pakistan, or other more comfortable "Muslim" places like Dubai, he can move there overnight.

But Kaif is doing what he wants to do. That is what democratic societies enable you to do. And that is what Pakistanis don't like about India.
 
English August said:
You have to understand that Pakistanis hate Indian Muslims a lot more than they hate an average non-Muslim Indian. With non-Muslim Indians, it's just the regular India-Pakistan dushmani. But they see Indian Muslims as traitors who didn't align with their two-nation theory.

Kaif is a symbol of new middle-class India that emerged in the 90s. He grew up in UP, not in traditional cricketing powerhouses like Mumbai, Delhi, or Karnataka. He was supremely fit, unlike other pot-bellied cricketers of his generation. He didn't have the talent of a Sachin Tendulkar, but he worked hard to earn his place in the Indian side. He was not as spectacularly successful as Yuvraj Singh or Sehwag, but had a okay-ish career. He didn't have any Godfather promoting him. Basically he showed what a sincere, hardworking youth coming from any background could achieve in India if they applied their mind to it, instead of wasting their time throwing stones at cops.

Now he's a coach and (hopefully) leading a comfortable life with his family.

Naturally the Pakistanis hate him and insinuate that somehow he has to demonstrate his loyalty to "Hindu India." What these Pakistanis are too stupid to realize is that the reason Kaif lives in India and supports India with all his heart is because that's what he wants to do. If he wanted to go to their Islamic jannat in Pakistan, or other more comfortable "Muslim" places like Dubai, he can move there overnight.

But Kaif is doing what he wants to do. That is what democratic societies enable you to do. And that is what Pakistanis don't like about India.
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You really live in a bubble. Time to upgrade your antenna on your head because signal delusional you’re getting has been outdated for a hot minute.
 
English August said:
You have to understand that Pakistanis hate Indian Muslims a lot more than they hate an average non-Muslim Indian. With non-Muslim Indians, it's just the regular India-Pakistan dushmani. But they see Indian Muslims as traitors who didn't align with their two-nation theory.

Kaif is a symbol of new middle-class India that emerged in the 90s. He grew up in UP, not in traditional cricketing powerhouses like Mumbai, Delhi, or Karnataka. He was supremely fit, unlike other pot-bellied cricketers of his generation. He didn't have the talent of a Sachin Tendulkar, but he worked hard to earn his place in the Indian side. He was not as spectacularly successful as Yuvraj Singh or Sehwag, but had a okay-ish career. He didn't have any Godfather promoting him. Basically he showed what a sincere, hardworking youth coming from any background could achieve in India if they applied their mind to it, instead of wasting their time throwing stones at cops.

Now he's a coach and (hopefully) leading a comfortable life with his family.

Naturally the Pakistanis hate him and insinuate that somehow he has to demonstrate his loyalty to "Hindu India." What these Pakistanis are too stupid to realize is that the reason Kaif lives in India and supports India with all his heart is because that's what he wants to do. If he wanted to go to their Islamic jannat in Pakistan, or other more comfortable "Muslim" places like Dubai, he can move there overnight.

But Kaif is doing what he wants to do. That is what democratic societies enable you to do. And that is what Pakistanis don't like about India.
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LOL. Man that Hindu brainwashing worked wonders on this one.
 
English August said:
You have to understand that Pakistanis hate Indian Muslims a lot more than they hate an average non-Muslim Indian. With non-Muslim Indians, it's just the regular India-Pakistan dushmani. But they see Indian Muslims as traitors who didn't align with their two-nation theory.

Kaif is a symbol of new middle-class India that emerged in the 90s. He grew up in UP, not in traditional cricketing powerhouses like Mumbai, Delhi, or Karnataka. He was supremely fit, unlike other pot-bellied cricketers of his generation. He didn't have the talent of a Sachin Tendulkar, but he worked hard to earn his place in the Indian side. He was not as spectacularly successful as Yuvraj Singh or Sehwag, but had a okay-ish career. He didn't have any Godfather promoting him. Basically he showed what a sincere, hardworking youth coming from any background could achieve in India if they applied their mind to it, instead of wasting their time throwing stones at cops.

Now he's a coach and (hopefully) leading a comfortable life with his family.

Naturally the Pakistanis hate him and insinuate that somehow he has to demonstrate his loyalty to "Hindu India." What these Pakistanis are too stupid to realize is that the reason Kaif lives in India and supports India with all his heart is because that's what he wants to do. If he wanted to go to their Islamic jannat in Pakistan, or other more comfortable "Muslim" places like Dubai, he can move there overnight.

But Kaif is doing what he wants to do. That is what democratic societies enable you to do. And that is what Pakistanis don't like about India.
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Brilliant post. :11:

I always have a hearty laugh, when an Indian Muslim criticise Pakistan, which happens almost all the time, and people in Pakistan have a hard time accepting that and try to paint it, in an overbearing manner, as if he/she said that with a gun pointed on his temple and to prove his nationality.

I Sniggered when, Kaif who was a nothing cricketer, seems to be have rattled a lot of Pakistanis here with a simple reply on twitter. Already 2 pages worth discussion on his tweet with lots of triggered posters here.

Imagine, what if Dhoni and virat saying something along the lines of, "We stand with people of baluchistan and the Pakistan army atrocities there won't go unnoticed there. Want Indian government to take swift action there." :)) oh the absolute horror.
 
aniket1911 said:
Brilliant post. :11:

I always have a hearty laugh, when an Indian Muslim criticise Pakistan, which happens almost all the time, and people in Pakistan have a hard time accepting that and try to paint it, in an overbearing manner, as if he/she said that with a gun pointed on his temple and to prove his nationality.

I Sniggered when, Kaif who was a nothing cricketer, seems to be have rattled a lot of Pakistanis here with a simple reply on twitter. Already 2 pages worth discussion on his tweet with lots of triggered posters here.

Imagine, what if Dhoni and virat saying something along the lines of, "We stand with people of baluchistan and the Pakistan army atrocities there won't go unnoticed there. Want Indian government to take swift action there." :)) oh the absolute horror.
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Is your friend one of these

 
cricketjoshila said:
[MENTION=137774]Canadian[/MENTION]_goose
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]
[MENTION=135839]Smbhayi[/MENTION]

This guy feels bad for you. Any comments?
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I'm happy, at least I know I wouldn't be killed by some stupid bomb blasting.
Greenstorm said:
You did not mentioned Kashmiri posters. You don't consider them as Indians ?
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you said Indian Muslim, didn't we're Muslim?
 
Greenstorm said:
I do not see any apart from [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] and his last post was more than 7 hours ago.
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He knows everything but he likes to act like an ostrich and bury his head in the sand.
I respect his opinions on everything except when it comes to Kashmir where he seems to become completely blind (like many other Indians) to the point of defending this strategic state sponsored genocide of Kashmiri people. Hitler would be proud of his views.
 
cricketjoshila said:
[MENTION=137774]Canadian[/MENTION]_goose
[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]
[MENTION=135839]Smbhayi[/MENTION]

This guy feels bad for you. Any comments?
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There is no need to tag anyone for someone's validation, there is enough nonsense being sprouted.
 
India needs to know they still have 100 of millions of people that are below the poverty line. 3rd world country with over their head celebrities. Kaif should go to kashmir and see if they ever heard of him .
 
khan991 said:
India needs to know they still have 100 of millions of people that are below the poverty line. 3rd world country with over their head celebrities. Kaif should go to kashmir and see if they ever heard of him .
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Nobody knows kaif even in his own family :moyo:
 
big_gamer007 said:
Loss of any innocent life is extremely sad and should be condemned.. However empty condemnation in just words is not the solution but strong steps need to be taken no innocent life is lost.

Having said that what I don’t understand is why the parents are allowing their kids to throw stones? Why don’t our Pakistani friends not condemn Pakistan government who sponsors the separatist elements who give 500 rs to throw stones?

Let’s be real here no one gives two hoots about Kashmiris on this forum.. All people care about is throwing mud at each other.. If people actually cared about Kashmiris you will start at home and ask your own government to stop doing stuff which puts innocents lives in danger..

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
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No one asks, not Indian nor Pakistanis and that's the truth. No one cares for Kashmiris, behind this sympathy mask both nations try to knock down each other and that's it.
 
[MENTION=135839]Smbhayi[/MENTION] Bolded part in the above post is my reply. Forget the other one as it was a comprehension mistake from me I think.
 
Afridi has really ruffled the feathers of all these cricketers and ex-cricketers. Kaif clearly over-emotional here with a low blow. What he's trying to say is Afridi's mouth can be shut if you give him money; a statement that not only doesn't hold any merit but also shows Kaif's own mentality regarding putting money above all. Maybe money is the only thing that is meaningful to Kaif here, but to many other people it isn't.
 
sshakir411 said:
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Wrote a long reply but damn browser broke down. :((

Anyways, no they are not my friends mate and they don't represent majority of Muslims in India, who don't like Pakistan and criticise because of their Anti-state policies against India.
 
I hope the Pakistani posters showing sympathy towards kashmiri shows this type of sympathy towards balochi people whom your army is targeting and towards ahmedis, state policy of targeting ahmedis.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When this picture was being taken Lala insisted that the flag be held upright..as it shld b. As neighbors v have rights toward each other n also responsibility 2 spread peace n love. It hurts me 2 c the way my Indian peers reacting to our national hero..totally not cool &#55357;&#56398;&#55356;&#57340; <a href="https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us">https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us</a></p>— Ahmad Shahzad &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@iamAhmadshahzad) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamAhmadshahzad/status/981984037307731968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
What he's trying to say is Afridi's mouth can be shut if you give him money; a statement that not only doesn't hold any merit but also shows Kaif's own mentality regarding putting money above all. Maybe money is the only thing that is meaningful to Kaif here, but to many other people it isn't.
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Kaif hit the nail on the head and characterized Afridi quite accurately. Afridi participated and made money off IPL in its first edition, and has been begging to come back ever since.

Indian Army ops against Kashmiri terrorists have been going on for years. If Afridi truly cared about these Kashmiris and their so called "plight", he would have boycotted IPL.
 
Where are these sportsmen when the civilians die in Kashmir.Why these double standards?Doesn't this make them hypocrite??

Mr.Kaif, like many other cricketers needs to come to Kashmir,see the situation and then talk.Some of them are so dumb that they believe that children throw stones because they get money for it,I mean seriously guys,you need to do your research before talking as you make a fool of yourself by talking this rubbish.

Coming onto the great Indian democracy,In a sensible country where democratic values are upheld and human rights valued, Indian army officers like Major Aditya, Major Avatar and Major Gogoi would have been tried for war crimes and handed over to International Court. In India, the war criminals are hero-worshipped.

Do you guys even know how people live their life in Kashmir??I remember I used to go for a morning walk and there used to be the CRPF men staring at me,they used to check my pockets everytime I passed by them,for them them the youth are potential militants and you have no idea how much abuse we get from them.

I have seen my schoolmate shot infront of my eyes.The blood,moans,the cries is something which I can't forget.It still haunts me.No one hesitated to cry that day.The toughest of the toughest alpha male was left in tears.My teacher had a panic attack.The teacher who is known for keeping his head in the worst situations.Kashmir is safe for everyone barring the local KASHMIRIS.
 
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English August said:
Kaif hit the nail on the head and characterized Afridi quite accurately. Afridi participated and made money off IPL in its first edition, and has been begging to come back ever since.

Indian Army ops against Kashmiri terrorists have been going on for years. If Afridi truly cared about these Kashmiris and their so called "plight", he would have boycotted IPL.
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Do you have any shred of proof for the part in bold? Easy for armchair experts to hold such strong opinions about someone's character and intentions without evidence to back it up. Instead of living in a fictitious world where India is the pinnacle of everything and everyone wants to partake in events held there, get rid of this superiority complex and learn to stop this nonsensical character assassination. This "raise the pitchforks" attitude Kaif and Gambhir are employing goes to show how insecure they are about their nation and the issues it faces. People who support the statements these clowns make are even worse than these clowns themselves. Afridi hasn't been begging to come back and him partaking in the IPL in 2008 has nothing to do with his thoughts on this matter. He is just raising important points about things that go on in your country. He isn't boycotting everything related to India.
 
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aniket1911 said:
Wrote a long reply but damn browser broke down. :((

Anyways, no they are not my friends mate and they don't represent majority of Muslims in India, who don't like Pakistan and criticise because of their Anti-state policies against India.
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Majority of Muslims in India face discrimination, maybe the Muslims you know are not part of the under privileged poor societies. Indians have a habit of turning a blind eye to their issues and deny it until they star believing crazy stuff like our friend English August.

Here's some well documented and researched discrimination Muslims in India go through in India...only a fool would think Indian Muslims don't try hard to prove their patriotism, because they consistently have to to their fellow Hindu country men.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/06/india-hate-crimes-against-muslims-and-rising-islamophobia-must-be-condemned/

http://minorityrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/MRG_Rep_India_Jun17-2.pdf
 
A nation that denies hard proof of innocents being killed by its evil army is indeed a nation that needs to look at them self in the mirrior. How can they deny those pictures of young woman and men being blinded by pellet guns. I feel sad for humanity on the other sad of the border being non existent. These celebrities in india love the money and fame and will do anything to appease their people.
 
dhonixi said:
[MENTION=49505]sshakir411[/MENTION] can you do this analysis for any other community than Sunni Muslim in Pakistan like Hazaras, Ahmedis, Hindu, Shias etc. Pakistan is the worst example for treating minorities. So spare us lecture. We are still better than you.
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When did I say minorities aren't discriminated against in Pakistan? Why are you always so defensive. Read the posts I have replied to.
 
sshakir411 said:
When did I say minorities aren't discriminated against in Pakistan? Why are you always so defensive. Read the posts I have replied to.
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It's the typical reply from bhartis. "Look you have this other (sometimes irrelevant) problem that exists in your country, therefore you and I must pretend that there are no problems in my country!!!". All the while, these same people don't apply the same rule to themselves and freely post what they want about other countries.
 
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It's the typical reply from bhartis. "Look you have this other (sometimes irrelevant) problem that exists in your country, therefore you and I must pretend that there are no problems in my country!!!". All the while, these same people don't apply the same rule to themselves and freely post what they want about other countries.
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Also known as the Indian Double Standard :srt
 
True, people only make positive comments about India due to an IPL contract.
 
sshakir411 said:
Also known as the Indian Double Standard :srt
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The interesting thing is you will not see this happening anywhere near as consistently from other nationalities except bhartis. I don't even know why. You can criticize US, Canada, UK, Germany, France etc and except for some odd idiot people from those countries will not bring up your country in response. However deflacting to your country appears to be the defacto response from bhartis. And they don't just do this with Pakistanis, literally anyone who criticizes their country is treated this way. I am not sure why they consider their country so infallible, it is beyond any logic.
 
sshakir411 said:
Majority of Muslims in India face discrimination, maybe the Muslims you know are not part of the under privileged poor societies. Indians have a habit of turning a blind eye to their issues and deny it until they star believing crazy stuff like our friend English August.

Here's some well documented and researched discrimination Muslims in India go through in India...only a fool would think Indian Muslims don't try hard to prove their patriotism, because they consistently have to to their fellow Hindu country men.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/06/india-hate-crimes-against-muslims-and-rising-islamophobia-must-be-condemned/

http://minorityrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/MRG_Rep_India_Jun17-2.pdf
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Good that you atleast supported your spurious claim with data, will go through the link and get back to you once I am free and can afford to go in detail of things.
 
hisham_ashraf said:
Where are these sportsmen when the civilians die in Kashmir.Why these double standards?Doesn't this make them hypocrite??

Mr.Kaif, like many other cricketers needs to come to Kashmir,see the situation and then talk.Some of them are so dumb that they believe that children throw stones because they get money for it,I mean seriously guys,you need to do your research before talking as you make a fool of yourself by talking this rubbish.

Coming onto the great Indian democracy,In a sensible country where democratic values are upheld and human rights valued, Indian army officers like Major Aditya, Major Avatar and Major Gogoi would have been tried for war crimes and handed over to International Court. In India, the war criminals are hero-worshipped.

Do you guys even know how people live their life in Kashmir??I remember I used to go for a morning walk and there used to be the CRPF men staring at me,they used to check my pockets everytime I passed by them,for them them the youth are potential militants and you have no idea how much abuse we get from them.

I have seen my schoolmate shot infront of my eyes.The blood,moans,the cries is something which I can't forget.It still haunts me.No one hesitated to cry that day.The toughest of the toughest alpha male was left in tears.My teacher had a panic attack.The teacher who is known for keeping his head in the worst situations.Kashmir is safe for everyone barring the local KASHMIRIS.
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Your first paragraph hit the nail on the head.

These same Indian cricketers, celebrities, politicians etc have said and will say nothing when Kashmiri civilians have been slaughtered, raped, disappeared, tortured for the last 3 decades. It just shows the hypocrisy they have.

As for the Indian media they are the worst media in the world, by far. The way they have twisted Afridis tweet into something that mushroomed about terrorism and defending their beloved nation is something only they are capable of doing so.

What’s worse you have many Indians still defending their pathetic media outlets. It should embarrass them but apparently not.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
Do you have any shred of proof for the part in bold? Easy for armchair experts to hold such strong opinions about someone's character and intentions without evidence to back it up. Instead of living in a fictitious world where India is the pinnacle of everything and everyone wants to partake in events held there, get rid of this superiority complex and learn to stop this nonsensical character assassination. This "raise the pitchforks" attitude Kaif and Gambhir are employing goes to show how insecure they are about their nation and the issues it faces. People who support the statements these clowns make are even worse than these clowns themselves. Afridi hasn't been begging to come back and him partaking in the IPL in 2008 has nothing to do with his thoughts on this matter. He is just raising important points about things that go on in your country. He isn't boycotting everything related to India.
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Happy to help.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/afridi-wants-to-play-for-rajasthan-or-kolkata-in-ipl-1593724

https://www.dawn.com/news/740957

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/Pak-cricketers-disappointed-at-IPL-snub/article16838322.ece

https://tribune.com.pk/story/145643/afridi-calls-for-inclusion-of-pakistanis-in-ipl/

This is what I found in 2 mins of googling. How many more do you want?

The last link above is most telling. One can feel that the guy is about to break down upon his exclusion from IPL.
 
English August said:
Kaif lives in a free country. He can talk about whatever he wants.

You could have asked the same question to Afridi. Why did he tweet about Kashmir, which is none of his business? (Is he a Kashmiri?) He could have tweeted about 1000 other topics.

See, it works both ways.
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Oh really? Can he talk about your Army's inhuman killing of innocent kids and raping of women?
 
English August said:
Happy to help.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/afridi-wants-to-play-for-rajasthan-or-kolkata-in-ipl-1593724

https://www.dawn.com/news/740957

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/Pak-cricketers-disappointed-at-IPL-snub/article16838322.ece

https://tribune.com.pk/story/145643/afridi-calls-for-inclusion-of-pakistanis-in-ipl/

This is what I found in 2 mins of googling. How many more do you want?

The last link above is most telling. One can feel that the guy is about to break down upon his exclusion from IPL.
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I don't see how he is begging to come back in these links. He is raising points and is providing his own perspective and what he feels should happen. He is saying Pakistani players should be allowed in the IPL since both India and Pakistan would benefit from it in the end. Indian fans get to witness good Pakistani players playing cricket, while Pakistani players get to play in the best t20 league. Different to begging and losing sleep over the exclusion.
 
Afridi has no future in IPL and with these comments he is ensuring his own political future and ruining any chance of cricket between India and Pakistan.
 
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AssassinatedDevil said:
I don't see how he is begging to come back in these links. He is raising points and is providing his own perspective and what he feels should happen. He is saying Pakistani players should be allowed in the IPL since both India and Pakistan would benefit from it in the end. Indian fans get to witness good Pakistani players playing cricket, while Pakistani players get to play in the best t20 league. Different to begging and losing sleep over the exclusion.
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I know it's hard to accept when you realize that the "superstar" you adore is in fact made of clay.

Internet has made it hard for people to spin what they said earlier. This is a good example of Afridi doing a 180 degree on what he said earlier.
 
"The bus driver drives a convertible now," said former India cricketer Mohammad Kaif while re-calling Nasser Hussain's sledge during the 2002 Natwest finals against England. Kaif's remark came as former England skipper Nasser Hussain revisited the Natwest finals 2002 against India. Recalling the game during a Sky Sports Cricket Podcast, Hussain said that England had dismissed the top-five of India (Sourav Ganguly, Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, Dinesh Mongia, and Rahul Dravid) and from there, India's chances were looking bleak in the match.

Hussain also said that when Kaif came out to the middle to bat, he ended up sledging by saying: "I think he must drive the bus, I think he drives Tendulkar around the bus".

To this, Kaif replied and tweeted: "@nassercricket, thanks to that innings the bus driver drives a convertible now @skycricket".

During the Sky Sports podcast, Hussain also said that Natwest finals in 2002 is still remembered by everyone as two then-rookies (Kaif and Yuvraj) guided India to an improbable win.

He said that if India was guided to a victory by either Tendulkar or Ganguly, it would not have had such an impact.

In the Natwest final, India was set a target of 326 to win the match. India was struggling at 146/5 when both Yuvraj and Kaif got together at the crease.

The duo put on a partnership of 121 runs to give India a glimmer of hope in the match.

Yuvraj was dismissed for 69 runs, but Kaif batted well the tailenders to give India a win in the final over by two wickets and with three balls to spare.

After the win, then skipper Ganguly took off his shirt and celebrated in style at the Lord's dressing room.

During England's innings, Nasser Hussain also scored a century and went on to play a knock of 115 runs.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/moh...atwest-final-2230166?pfrom=home-lateststories
 
Is Kaif an indian as per the new CBA bill ? Maybe not! He should voice against it since it is his birthright.
 
ahmedzee said:
Is Kaif an indian as per the new CBA bill ? Maybe not! He should voice against it since it is his birthright.
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Its not a bill,its an act now.

It denies fact track citizenship and refugee status to people of majority religion from Pak and BD. It has nothing to do with Indians.
 
I think most Pakistani players would be happy with Indian government and sing their praises if they had big IPL contracts...

Why wouldn’t they?? The money yes of course BUT if that were they case then surely the situation between the two countries would be good too and maybe, just maybe, the Indian Liberals would have won over the Indian extremists.

We can only hope that would be the case.
 
MenInG said:
"The bus driver drives a convertible now," said former India cricketer Mohammad Kaif while re-calling Nasser Hussain's sledge during the 2002 Natwest finals against England. Kaif's remark came as former England skipper Nasser Hussain revisited the Natwest finals 2002 against India. Recalling the game during a Sky Sports Cricket Podcast, Hussain said that England had dismissed the top-five of India (Sourav Ganguly, Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, Dinesh Mongia, and Rahul Dravid) and from there, India's chances were looking bleak in the match.

Hussain also said that when Kaif came out to the middle to bat, he ended up sledging by saying: "I think he must drive the bus, I think he drives Tendulkar around the bus".

To this, Kaif replied and tweeted: "@nassercricket, thanks to that innings the bus driver drives a convertible now @skycricket".

During the Sky Sports podcast, Hussain also said that Natwest finals in 2002 is still remembered by everyone as two then-rookies (Kaif and Yuvraj) guided India to an improbable win.

He said that if India was guided to a victory by either Tendulkar or Ganguly, it would not have had such an impact.

In the Natwest final, India was set a target of 326 to win the match. India was struggling at 146/5 when both Yuvraj and Kaif got together at the crease.

The duo put on a partnership of 121 runs to give India a glimmer of hope in the match.

Yuvraj was dismissed for 69 runs, but Kaif batted well the tailenders to give India a win in the final over by two wickets and with three balls to spare.

After the win, then skipper Ganguly took off his shirt and celebrated in style at the Lord's dressing room.

During England's innings, Nasser Hussain also scored a century and went on to play a knock of 115 runs.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/moh...atwest-final-2230166?pfrom=home-lateststories
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Kaif is only known for that one innings so milks it where he can

Maybe it was the worse thing that happened to him Because he clearly couldnt move on from after it and build a successful career post that match
 
Ghambir makes repeated remarks about Pakistan and Afridi, yet we do not make such a huge issue out of it.

Afridi does it once and all of India has come out to destroy the guy :)) :))
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its not a bill,its an act now.

It denies fact track citizenship and refugee status to people of majority religion from Pak and BD. It has nothing to do with Indians.
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There are countless (millions and not 100,000s) indian muslims who were living there since independence and have no papers to show that their grandfather or great grandfathers were indians due to lack of access/poverty etc. Is this what keeps u happy and makes u sleep at night that it is for Pak and bd hindus? Keep urself happy everyday because the truth is a lot different. We have discussed this in detail in the other thread. Fact remains Indian muslims like Kaif might not be Indian anymore (not specifically saying him). I would protest too if I was in their shoes.
 
Can Kaif qualify for a mortgage, I hear Indian Muslims cannot get one. Maybe he has to display this 'nationalism' for his application to be approved
 
Syed1 said:
Can Kaif qualify for a mortgage, I hear Indian Muslims cannot get one. Maybe he has to display this 'nationalism' for his application to be approved
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List top 10 greatest cricketers ever to play for Pakistan. Kaif who was a great talent but had a middling international career has a greater net worth th than the total combined net worth of 8 of those players combined.

Only talking about money earned through cricket though not other activities. So yes Kaif is doing perfectly fine and so are all the Muslims earning a honest living are going way better than their pakistani counterparts. Can’t say about the nuisance types though (all religions included) they seem to be not doing as good as before.
 
Local.Dada said:
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List top 10 greatest cricketers ever to play for Pakistan. Kaif who was a great talent but had a middling international career has a greater net worth th than the total combined net worth of 8 of those players combined.

Only talking about money earned through cricket though not other activities. So yes Kaif is doing perfectly fine and so are all the Muslims earning a honest living are going way better than their pakistani counterparts. Can’t say about the nuisance types though (all religions included) they seem to be not doing as good as before.
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Kaif was a crap cricketer, any amount of money will not change that. Indians are their love of money just looks silly. End of the day, the money that a celeb means nothing for the common person who struggles to eat 2 meals a day.
 
King-Misbah said:
Kaif was a crap cricketer, any amount of money will not change that. Indians are their love of money just looks silly. End of the day, the money that a celeb means nothing for the common person who struggles to eat 2 meals a day.
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He asked about mortgage and got the answer it deserves.
 
Rana said:
Ghambir makes repeated remarks about Pakistan and Afridi, yet we do not make such a huge issue out of it.

Afridi does it once and all of India has come out to destroy the guy :)) :))
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I mean but Ghambir is a midget with inferiority complex so he has his reasons 😁

Nah but for real I thing SA is doing charity work so it doesn't suit him to do these kind of things but Gambhir on the other hand is a hate mongering politician
 
What is it with indians and money they seem to be obsessed with this idea every single thread

It's so weird like why are they so materialistic is it cultural differences or what
 
cricketjoshila said:
He asked about mortgage and got the answer it deserves.
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He wasn’t talking about the amount of money Kaif has. Maybe you should have asked Shabana Azmi about a Muslim trying to buy a property in India.
That was his point - no amount of fake nationalism is going to change the fact you as a Muslim will face open discrimination in India.
 
It must be galling for Kaif that despite his protestations of being a proud Ind, he as Ind Muslim will always be treated as 2nd citizen, looked upon with suspicion and that forever has to show his loyalty to Modis fascist Ind. He cannot speak up without the fear of being lynched by the RSS mob.
 
Bewal Express said:
It must be galling for Kaif that despite his protestations of being a proud Ind, he as Ind Muslim will always be treated as 2nd citizen, looked upon with suspicion and that forever has to show his loyalty to Modis fascist Ind. He cannot speak up without the fear of being lynched by the RSS mob.
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He can't even do qurbani bro. :))

Gonna have to slaughter a cucumber this Eid-al-Adha warna modi ji will not be happy :(
 
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