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Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.

In the context of horrific events this week, we made it clear on Wednesday that additional violations of the Twitter Rules would potentially result in this very course of action. Our public interest framework exists to enable the public to hear from elected officials and world leaders directly. It is built on a principle that the people have a right to hold power to account in the open.

However, we made it clear going back years that these accounts are not above our rules entirely and cannot use Twitter to incite violence, among other things. We will continue to be transparent around our policies and their enforcement.

The below is a comprehensive analysis of our policy enforcement approach in this case.

Overview

On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted:

“The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”

Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted:

“To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”

Due to the ongoing tensions in the United States, and an uptick in the global conversation in regards to the people who violently stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021, these two Tweets must be read in the context of broader events in the country and the ways in which the President’s statements can be mobilized by different audiences, including to incite violence, as well as in the context of the pattern of behavior from this account in recent weeks. After assessing the language in these Tweets against our Glorification of Violence policy, we have determined that these Tweets are in violation of the Glorification of Violence Policy and the user @realDonaldTrump should be immediately permanently suspended from the service.

Assessment

We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

This determination is based on a number of factors, including:

President Trump’s statement that he will not be attending the Inauguration is being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate and is seen as him disavowing his previous claim made via two Tweets (1, 2) by his Deputy Chief of Staff, Dan Scavino, that there would be an “orderly transition” on January 20th.

The second Tweet may also serve as encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts that the Inauguration would be a “safe” target, as he will not be attending.

The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.

The mention of his supporters having a “GIANT VOICE long into the future” and that “They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an “orderly transition” and instead that he plans to continue to support, empower, and shield those who believe he won the election.

Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.

As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021, and that there are multiple indicators that they are being received and understood as encouragement to do so.

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html
 
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More censorship in the West.

Zionists are free to promote their violent, racist, and imoral ideology on social platforms. So much so if one speaks out against Zionism or questions their motive, you are either warned or banned.

There is no such thing as free speech anymore, well, unless you agree with the masters.
 
More censorship in the West.

Zionists are free to promote their violent, racist, and imoral ideology on social platforms. So much so if one speaks out against Zionism or questions their motive, you are either warned or banned.

There is no such thing as free speech anymore, well, unless you agree with the masters.

Trump has been the most pro zionist there has ever been. Kushner has his head so far up Bibis backside that you didn't know where Bibi ended and Kushner started.
 
Not fair imo
It's the left leaning twitter abusing it's power

Suspension till or after the inauguration was more than enough
 
Trump has been the most pro zionist there has ever been. Kushner has his head so far up Bibis backside that you didn't know where Bibi ended and Kushner started.

Disagree.

If he was the most pro zionist there has ever been, he would've waged war in the ME at the command of Zionists. He refuse and instead brokered a deal in the ME.
 
Official POTUS account not personal Trump account

Looks like the official President's account..when Biden becomes President it will be his.

Thanks.

He's not allowed on social media but allowed to carry the nuclear football. :))

Agree or not with him, this is a terrible , terrible precident. Social media has no right to choose what can be said or not. I dont see them banning other leaders who call for violence or display hatred to others.

Trump should start up his own social media page, it would generate millions of followers. You cant really stop such a famous person from his views not being heard, it's idiotic.
 
Disagree.

If he was the most pro zionist there has ever been, he would've waged war in the ME at the command of Zionists. He refuse and instead brokered a deal in the ME.

Really, he gave them Jerusalem, pulled out of the Iran Agreement at the behest of Israel, saved MBS at the behest of Israel, humiliated the Palestinians at the behest of Israel. Killed the Iranian Gen at the behest of Israel.
 
Thanks.

He's not allowed on social media but allowed to carry the nuclear football. :))

Agree or not with him, this is a terrible , terrible precident. Social media has no right to choose what can be said or not. I dont see them banning other leaders who call for violence or display hatred to others.

Trump should start up his own social media page, it would generate millions of followers. You cant really stop such a famous person from his views not being heard, it's idiotic.

Spot on. He is disagreeing with the election results and claiming fraud. That’s his opinion, which he is free to express. The leftist controlled media is going to another extreme. What they are telling you is a FACT and you are not allowed to disagree with them.
 
Really, he gave them Jerusalem, pulled out of the Iran Agreement at the behest of Israel, saved MBS at the behest of Israel, humiliated the Palestinians at the behest of Israel. Killed the Iranian Gen at the behest of Israel.

That's nothing compared to waging war on innocent lives at the command of Zionists. First US president to do so post WW2.

Why do you think the media in the West turned agsint him?
 
Thanks.

He's not allowed on social media but allowed to carry the nuclear football. :))

Agree or not with him, this is a terrible , terrible precident. Social media has no right to choose what can be said or not. I dont see them banning other leaders who call for violence or display hatred to others.

Trump should start up his own social media page, it would generate millions of followers. You cant really stop such a famous person from his views not being heard, it's idiotic.

But if you use a platform then you agree to the rules. Trump got away with far more than anyone else in the history of twitter. Let him start a new platform and you will see another bankrupt company.
 
That's nothing compared to waging war on innocent lives at the command of Zionists. First US president to do so post WW2.

Why do you think the media in the West turned agsint him?

The Zionists controlled him like they control everyone else. You think the likes of Dershowitze defended him because they liked him
 
That's nothing compared to waging war on innocent lives at the command of Zionists. First US president to do so post WW2.

Why do you think the media in the West turned agsint him?

Correction

You forgot Carter (btw my favorite president)
 
But if you use a platform then you agree to the rules. Trump got away with far more than anyone else in the history of twitter. Let him start a new platform and you will see another bankrupt company.

Yeah I would call it an abuse of power

But Twitter is a private company they are free to do what they want to do
 
Thanks.

He's not allowed on social media but allowed to carry the nuclear football. :))

Agree or not with him, this is a terrible , terrible precident. Social media has no right to choose what can be said or not. I dont see them banning other leaders who call for violence or display hatred to others.

Trump should start up his own social media page, it would generate millions of followers. You cant really stop such a famous person from his views not being heard, it's idiotic.

Have you heard the latest on Whatsapp and Facebook? Users of Whatsapp must now send private information to FB, including contacts. Failure to do so will result in FB accounts terminated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55573149
 
But if you use a platform then you agree to the rules. Trump got away with far more than anyone else in the history of twitter. Let him start a new platform and you will see another bankrupt company.

Which rules? The reason given is he inciting violence. Yanks in poweful positions have been calling for violence on twitter since it was invented. But I guess egging on bombing Pakistanis, Iraqis , Afghans, Libyans is within the rules.
 
Really, he gave them Jerusalem, pulled out of the Iran Agreement at the behest of Israel, saved MBS at the behest of Israel, humiliated the Palestinians at the behest of Israel. Killed the Iranian Gen at the behest of Israel.

Don't bother, the irony would be lost on him.

These 'deals' brokered in the ME will slowly weaken and eventually diminish the Palestinian claims and movements.
 
But if you use a platform then you agree to the rules. Trump got away with far more than anyone else in the history of twitter. Let him start a new platform and you will see another bankrupt company.

He just posted his opinions like everyone else. Tell me, what about the tweets that endorsed BLM violence . Why weren't the accounts suspended?

Which rule did he break? The one where it says users can only post opinions if the establishment agrees with them?
 
Don't bother, the irony would be lost on him.

These 'deals' brokered in the ME will slowly weaken and eventually diminish the Palestinian claims and movements.

Those deals were pre planned and would have gone ahead even with Daffy Duck in power. It was Obama who first called Jeruslam is the capital of Israel, knowing full well East of the city is occupied under Int law. US leaders have no say on Israeli policies. Nancy Polosi said even if the US Capitol was burned down they would still give aid, support to Israel.
 
I think he got banned for inciting the storming of the Capitol, which I can kind of understand. World leaders generally have diplomatic immunity on Twitter, but if their violations are egregious enough, then they can be banned. Probably could have waited until inauguration day, though.
 
It seems some people outside of the US seem to know more about the rights and wrongs involving the US president and the US social media companies and the 2nd amendment than all of america, the American social media tech giants and whatnot!

Hahaha.. keep at it, kids
 
There are a number of reasons behind this ban.

1) obviously Trump incited violence on Capitol Hill and that's had really serious consequences. This is the official reason from Twitter.

2) With the impact of 1) above and the fact that he is soon to be gone as President, he is quickly losing influence and power. It's easier to ban him now than its been before therefore.

3) Biden and other democrats have been vocal and angry for years that Trump uses his account to spread misinformation and violence. They have threatened to take action against social media in the past. Fearing new regulation in an era where the Dems control the Presidency, the House of Reps and the Senate, Twitter and other social media platforms are bending over backwards to show that they are capable all of a sudden of governing themselves.

4) Trump has been allowed to exist on Twitter until now because he has clearly generated a lot of attention. It's been good business for Twitter. However Twitter has now made an assessment that the potential downside of points 1-3 above outweigh the potential upside of keeping him on the platform generating attention.

This is all a calculation made by Twitter and other social media companies that now is the time to act before their hands are forced. It's not just that they are all suddenly outraged by what Trump is doing. He's encouraged violence right throughout his term and there's been no sudden change of behaviour on his side. All quite interesting to see how this has played out.
 
The 2 tweets in question:

“The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”

“To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”

Nope, can't see it. Cannot see how these 2 tweets are inciting violence, especially the second tweet.
 
Trump has been the most pro zionist there has ever been. Kushner has his head so far up Bibis backside that you didn't know where Bibi ended and Kushner started.

True, but Trump wouldn't have been banned if he spoke pro Zionist stuff. He got banned because of his post election tweets
 
Spot on. He is disagreeing with the election results and claiming fraud. That’s his opinion, which he is free to express. The leftist controlled media is going to another extreme. What they are telling you is a FACT and you are not allowed to disagree with them.


But it is FACT that Biden and Kamala are going to save America

It is FACT that Trump was the worst President ever, if Hillary was President America would have been so much better off
 
The irony is that the Taliban people still have verified, blue checked Twitter handles.
 
Probably the right move.

But there are quite a few deeply ignorant and totally dangerous “Blue Tick People” who also need to be permanently suspended from Twitter to be honest. President Trump’s account getting buried should just be the beginning. This approach needs to be applied consistently in order to stand as credible in the longer term.

Trump of course will resurface elsewhere (either on another platform or on his own page) and hoover back up all of his lost followers.
 
He also got indefinitely suspended from Facebook.

Twitter is a private company so can ban anyone for any reason (or no reason).
 
Big Tech flexing its muscles. We're a smidgen away from book burning and mysterious disappearances.
 
Oh God, we are all doomed!!! Sound the alarms!!!

what's funny is that all of that is already happening, people need to read more about history. Just cause something doesn't make headlines doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
what's funny is that all of that is already happening, people need to read more about history. Just cause something doesn't make headlines doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Hows any of this related to a tyrant causing chaos getting suspended from social media?
 
What I tell you those were already happening?

Of course, it's happening and never really stopped around the world. We're on the cusp of it becoming mainstream and widely accepted by those that don't understand what they are in for. Whereas, previously it might have been a bit sub rosa in the west, at least.

Anyone making light of censorship and thought suppression is absolutely deranged.
 
Hows any of this related to a tyrant causing chaos getting suspended from social media?

I didn't see any censorship of those inciting riots during a pandemic on social media last summer. It's just that this is the wrong sort of chaos.

Once there is an air of turbidity around what constitutes the right sort of thinking, the general public is befuddled easily.
 
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I didn't see any censorship of those inciting riots during a pandemic on social media last summer. It's just that this is the wrong sort of chaos.

Once there is an air of turbidity around what constitutes the right sort of thinking, the general public is befuddled easily.
An extremely over simplification of things.

Are you saying there is no difference between a large subsection of population indulging in anti social behavior vs a head of state doing the same?

There is a MASSIVE difference!!!
One is a group of people ready to start violence for a cause. The other is a single person with a massive following and in a position of power inciting people to cause violence.
 
Not fair imo
It's the left leaning twitter abusing it's power

Suspension till or after the inauguration was more than enough

Twitter isn’t a public service, it’s a company. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. If you or I start to use PP to incite violence we would be booted off in a hurry and rightly so.
 
Twitter isn’t a public service, it’s a company. This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. If you or I start to use PP to incite violence we would be booted off in a hurry and rightly so.

Oh so twitter is the new paragon of justice now. But it is good. Patriots would realize what they are up against. For too long they have been disorganized and complacent.
 
These threads tell me that it's not just the States that is polarised.

They also tell me that people will believe any conspiracy they read on the internet.
 
These threads tell me that it's not just the States that is polarised.

They also tell me that people will believe any conspiracy they read on the internet.
Very true. They will believe what they WANT to believe. Seems like a lot of people have lost the art of critical thinking.
 
Probably the right move.

But there are quite a few deeply ignorant and totally dangerous “Blue Tick People” who also need to be permanently suspended from Twitter to be honest. President Trump’s account getting buried should just be the beginning. This approach needs to be applied consistently in order to stand as credible in the longer term.

Trump of course will resurface elsewhere (either on another platform or on his own page) and hoover back up all of his lost followers.

There is one problem here. If Twitter, Facebook, etc are going to take on the responsibility to monitor all contents and ban accounts, then they can't pick and choose accounts. They will have to do it consistently. Digital media here has immunity as far as content goes. They wouldn't want to be in a position where the law is changed to not give them immunity and these platforms become responsible for content. It will be interesting to see the progression here.
 
Just to add, platforms are private entities, but they enjoy public immunity for contents. Being a private entity and the ability to do whatever you want is fine, but public immunity may come into question for content on these platforms. Short term, they will be fine but I am not sure if long-term they want to lose public immunity. It's a slippery slope.
 
So social media bigwigs ban Trump because his tweets would incite violence and are factually not true.

But we will allow content which incites violence by allowing inappropriate content mocking a religion or religious figure - the contents of which are also factually not true.

This is another evidence to support the fact that freedom of speech and/or expression is not absolute. We Muslims are just told to put up with it.

As a lawyer I see it all the time. White man swears at black man, black man punches white man = assault

Black man swears at white man, white man punches black man = self defence because he feared there to be a genuine threat of violence towards him
 
Twitter and Facebook are not private companies anymore. They stopped being private when they listed themselves on public stock exchanges which means these companies must comply by government law, rules and scrutiny.

Facebook were crying their eyes out when China banned the company from its stock exchanges, and ISPs - FB went on a rampage claiming violation of freedom. As did Google.

We will now see an explosion of underground apps, apps that can be installed on smartphones and that are not listed on App store/Google Play.

Twitter has shot themselves in the foot. Trump wasn't a problem when he was promoting the Twitter platform in the past 4 years.

100M followers are about to bail Twitter, and move underground.
 
Twitter and Facebook are not private companies anymore. They stopped being private when they listed themselves on public stock exchanges which means these companies must comply by government law, rules and scrutiny.

Facebook were crying their eyes out when China banned the company from its stock exchanges, and ISPs - FB went on a rampage claiming violation of freedom. As did Google.

We will now see an explosion of underground apps, apps that can be installed on smartphones and that are not listed on App store/Google Play.

Twitter has shot themselves in the foot. Trump wasn't a problem when he was promoting the Twitter platform in the past 4 years.

100M followers are about to bail Twitter, and move underground.

Trump can set up his own platform and then it won't be a problem. Twitter should have done this a long time ago and I guarantee this ***** will be more hurt by this ban than 350,000 Americans dying in the Pandemic.
 
So social media bigwigs ban Trump because his tweets would incite violence and are factually not true.

But we will allow content which incites violence by allowing inappropriate content mocking a religion or religious figure - the contents of which are also factually not true.

This is another evidence to support the fact that freedom of speech and/or expression is not absolute. We Muslims are just told to put up with it.

As a lawyer I see it all the time. White man swears at black man, black man punches white man = assault

Black man swears at white man, white man punches black man = self defence because he feared there to be a genuine threat of violence towards him

Very well said, sir. bravo!
Yes the hypocrisy is so in your face. Hope the world can reconcile liberties with genuine decency..
 
I would ban all Social media but I know its not practical. Politics was bad when the media barons had enormous power but its 1000s times worse today and remember this is just the beginning. Fast Forward and extrapolate and what should have been a way to improve debate is nothing of the short and will threaten social cohesion. People have turned to their echo Chambers and are not exposed to any ideas outside what they want to hear, which are basically conspiracy theories which they don't have the knowledge or intelligence to see through.
 
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SM is weaponized. It’s the age old challenge. Authoritarianism will find a way to express itself. Social media was supposed to bring people closer, generate better understanding and hoping for a more tolerant and sensitive world. But the propaganda machines around the world have turned these ideas on their head. It’s basically a WMD in the hands of the wrong people/governments/movements.
 
Trump can set up his own platform and then it won't be a problem. Twitter should have done this a long time ago and I guarantee this ***** will be more hurt by this ban than 350,000 Americans dying in the Pandemic.

I don't think you understand. Twitter was a below average platform, that is until Trump embraced Twitter and changed how politicians connect with the public. Trump's reasoning was he wanted the public to hear what he said without media spin/lies. When his Tweets became breaking news, almost on a daily basis, the popularity and membership of Twitter went through the roof. He is credited for single-handedly turning Twitter into a world wide phenomenon. Other world leaders followed too.

This is why Twitter didn't ban him earlier; its popularity went into orbit because of Trump.

As for 350000 dying, comback to me after a year with Biden in power and tell me how many more Americans have died through Covid, and of course Biden's decisions to go to war.
 
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I don't think you understand. Twitter was a below average platform, that is until Trump embraced Twitter and changed how politicians connect with the public. Trump's reasoning was he wanted the public to hear what he said without media spin/lies. When his Tweets became breaking news, almost on a daily basis, the popularity and membership of Twitter went through the roof. He is credited for single-handedly turning Twitter into a world wide phenomenon. Other world leaders followed too.

This is why Twitter didn't ban him earlier; its popularity went into orbit because of Trump.

As for 350000 dying, comback to me after a year with Biden in power and tell me how many more Americans have died through Covid, and of course Biden's decisions to go to war.

I do understand and don't agree. To give Trump the credit for the increasing popularity is hyperbole of the highest order. How many followers does Obama have?
 
I do understand and don't agree. To give the credit Trump the credit for the increasing popularity is hyperbole of the highest order. How many followers does Obama have?

Obama has more followers than Trump, but more followers doesn't mean more Twitter traffic. This is what you do not understand.

Obama's tweets were rarley breaking news, he gained more followers after his presidency ended, but there was more activity on Trump's twitter feed, more retweets, and more headlines.

I suggest you watch 'Trump in Tweets' on BBC iplayer.
 
Twitter was ethically and morally obligated to ban him after what he did. If it fails, it fails.
 
Obama has more followers than Trump, but more followers doesn't mean more Twitter traffic. This is what you do not understand.

Obama's tweets were rarley breaking news, he gained more followers after his presidency ended, but there was more activity on Trump's twitter feed, more retweets, and more headlines.

I suggest you watch 'Trump in Tweets' on BBC iplayer.

He would have more traffic if tweeted rubbish all day. Trump wanted attention and as the President it was entertainment.Twitter will survive without Trump, Trump won't without twitter. He needs the attention and it provided attention and therapy. Great move
 
He would have more traffic if tweeted rubbish all day. Trump wanted attention and as the President it was entertainment.Twitter will survive without Trump, Trump won't without twitter. He needs the attention and it provided attention and therapy. Great move

This all irrelevant.

No one is saying Twitter will not survive without Trump, but no one can deny that Trump was the first politician to embrace social media to it's fullest potential.

Heck, the media would tune into Trump's Twitter (and FB) channel in readiness for his 'meltdowns' / views and report them instantly worldwide.

As for Obama, he was too afriad to speak his mind, Trump wasn't. We all know why.
 
This all irrelevant.

No one is saying Twitter will not survive without Trump, but no one can deny that Trump was the first politician to embrace social media to it's fullest potential.

Heck, the media would tune into Trump's Twitter (and FB) channel in readiness for his 'meltdowns' / views and report them instantly worldwide.

As for Obama, he was too afriad to speak his mind, Trump wasn't. We all know why.

I am waiting for hi melt down. With no platform or therapy, this is going to be good.
 
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Used POTUS account. The man has huge mental issues.
 
This all irrelevant.

No one is saying Twitter will not survive without Trump, but no one can deny that Trump was the first politician to embrace social media to it's fullest potential.

Heck, the media would tune into Trump's Twitter (and FB) channel in readiness for his 'meltdowns' / views and report them instantly worldwide.

As for Obama, he was too afriad to speak his mind, Trump wasn't. We all know why.

Did you know that The reason Twitter first hit the SM stratosphere from relative obscurity was because Obama was using it during his presidential campaign to reach out to get support during 2007-08 or so?

Till this day he has more than twice Trump’s followers on Twitter.

Moral of the story: Just cuz you don’t spout a lot of filth not a lot more often than others, doesn’t mean you are not being heard as much as the next guy... that’s a valuable lesson for you as well... :)
 
I am waiting for hi melt down. With no platform or therapy, this is going to be good.

Me too, because we'd be lying if we claimed no one ever had 'meltdowns'. The difference is Trump has them in public, we have them in private.

Look, if PP had users with the same opinion, from the same demographic, it would be a boring forum. You, and I, spend time responding to users with different opinions. You defend IK/Pak, I defend Brexit/Trump, but if we all posted the same opinions, how much time do you think you and I would spend on PP? Not much, certainly posting less.

Controversy and alternate opinions fuel and drive traffic on forums/social media platforms.
 
The Zionists controlled him like they control everyone else. You think the likes of Dershowitze defended him because they liked him

Still remember how Finkelstein ripped Dershowitz to shreds with his poorly written book on Democracy now..

Should have seen his face..
 
Still remember how Finkelstein ripped Dershowitz to shreds with his poorly written book on Democracy now..

Should have seen his face..

I missed that but Dershowitze is a mossad agent. All those years of pretending to beca Liberal laid to waste when your real motives are exposed. They couldn't let their man be kicked out of his office.
 
Me too, because we'd be lying if we claimed no one ever had 'meltdowns'. The difference is Trump has them in public, we have them in private.

Look, if PP had users with the same opinion, from the same demographic, it would be a boring forum. You, and I, spend time responding to users with different opinions. You defend IK/Pak, I defend Brexit/Trump, but if we all posted the same opinions, how much time do you think you and I would spend on PP? Not much, certainly posting less.

Controversy and alternate opinions fuel and drive traffic on forums/social media platforms.

As you probably know from my posts, its the badniyaati that does my nut in. And Trump is a world leader in badniyaati, and no doubt he would have done some good stuff but there is also no doubt that he is a horrible man.
 
As you probably know from my posts, its the badniyaati that does my nut in. And Trump is a world leader in badniyaati, and no doubt he would have done some good stuff but there is also no doubt that he is a horrible man.

Which is precisly why I enjoy and respect your posts. Couldn't care less if we disagreed. Plus I learn from your posts.

We are all different so the we can learn from one another.
 
Which is precisly why I enjoy and respect your posts. Couldn't care less if we disagreed. Plus I learn from your posts.

We are all different so the we can learn from one another.

Same here. Debating and arguing keeps my brain alive. Middle England is hardly a hot bed of radicalism. Bar arguing over fences and who's dog did the dodoo, its as about exciting as watching paint dry.
 
I am glad he's banned. Now if they can ban the Hinduvta accounts speaking trash all day that'd be a great thing as well!
 
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