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I feel this match ended the careers of Iftikhar and Khushdil. They wore the jersey for the one last time.
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
I feel this match ended the careers of Iftikhar and Khushdil. They wore the jersey for the one last time.
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Pakistani players don't end their careers just like that. Wait for the loops and rolls before they're either dragged away kicking and screaming (Yousuf, Akmal) or fade into oblivion without announcing a retirement (Razzaq, Ajmal).

So this thread will go nowhere IMO.
 
Varun said:
Pakistani players don't end their careers just like that. Wait for the loops and rolls before they're either dragged away kicking and screaming (Yousuf, Akmal) or fade into oblivion without announcing a retirement (Razzaq, Ajmal).

So this thread will go nowhere IMO.
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Very true.
 
Varun said:
Pakistani players don't end their careers just like that. Wait for the loops and rolls before they're either dragged away kicking and screaming (Yousuf, Akmal) or fade into oblivion without announcing a retirement (Razzaq, Ajmal).

So this thread will go nowhere IMO.
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It’ll still be fun. Imagine posting Maliks career over in 2007, and he makes a comeback in 2021. Proper undertaker feeling
 
I don't know what posters here have against Iftikhar. He has gotten extremely limited chances in limited overs and has done fairly well especially in T20s.

As for ODIs, there are few batsmen who have genuinely earned a place in the ODI side based on their List A performances. And Iftikhar is one of them. Anyone who has followed domestic in recent years knows he has been absolutely crushing it in the Pakistan Cup year after year. There is no one better suited to the No.6 position in ODIs for Pakistan rn. And I think in T20s he should have a similar role at 5 or 6.

His career is far from over.
 
And so has Abid Ali’s. Guy was lucky to play his first and last match in Pakistan, which many current players didn’t.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know what posters here have against Iftikhar. He has gotten extremely limited chances in limited overs and has done fairly well especially in T20s.

As for ODIs, there are few batsmen who have genuinely earned a place in the ODI side based on their List A performances. And Iftikhar is one of them. Anyone who has followed domestic in recent years knows he has been absolutely crushing it in the Pakistan Cup year after year. There is no one better suited to the No.6 position in ODIs for Pakistan rn. And I think in T20s he should have a similar role at 5 or 6.

His career is far from over.
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For one thing he has done blatant age fraud. Not the typical one or two years. I would say at minimum he is 35.
 
The only two players whose careers should end after this are Asif Ali and Husain Talat.

A player like Asif Ali is dangerous for Pakistan because he is selected on the idea that he will play some Buttler-esque knock when in reality the only good knock he ever played came in a losing cause, in an ODI against England that he should have finished off.

Talat is the most mentally weak player I personally seen in a very long time. I sincerely hope he never plays for Pakistan. Ever.

I am tempted to add Khushdil to the list but I think he has some talent and shouldn't be written off just yet. However, he is by no means ready for international cricket right now.
 
Khushdil and Ifti should never play for Pakistan. But what we fans wish doesn't matter. I still remember a T20 vs SA in SA where Babar scored 91 against top quality bowling but Talat on the other end kept on wasting balls and finally we lost a match. That I thought this garbage should never wear pakistan jersey atleast not in T20's. But here we go again, failed in back to back 3 games.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
For one thing he has done blatant age fraud. Not the typical one or two years. I would say at minimum he is 35.
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So what?

What does that have to do with his ability to perform as a cricketer?

Also, he is probably much older than that.
 
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Iftikhar for sure should never play, excuse to play him was he will bowl as well as bat. Well captain has no confidence to bowl him. His batting apart fron couple innings in Australia he has been hopeless.
Asif Ali and Khushdil are also useless but I fear will get some more chances. Pakistan think tank needs to know you need proper batsmen not sloggers even for T20.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
So what?

What does that have to do with his ability to perform as a cricketer?

Also, he is probably much older than that.
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means your further along the development curve and likely to start regressing as an athlete much faster than you would if ur age was real, thus disrupting the ability of management to make effective long term plans.

i have nothing against iftikhar, and if he was really 30 id suggest he would be useful as a squad player, but he must be in his late 30s, which means his ability will start to decline rapidly in two or three years.
 
There's no such thing as career ending in Pakistan cricket. Iftikhar will make 2-3 more comebacks while Khushdil will also have 5+ comebacks.

Our selection policy works differently series by series so there's every chance for any player to make a comeback at any point. Even Kamran Akmal will be in reckoning for the opening slot.

Good professional teams don't look back, and the selectors are not soft. They identify a pool of best performers and stick with them.
 
Ifti's career going to end while Misbah's in charge? LOL somebody's been smoking something.
 
Energy said:
There's no such thing as career ending in Pakistan cricket. Iftikhar will make 2-3 more comebacks while Khushdil will also have 5+ comebacks.

Our selection policy works differently series by series so there's every chance for any player to make a comeback at any point. Even Kamran Akmal will be in reckoning for the opening slot.

Good professional teams don't look back, and the selectors are not soft. They identify a pool of best performers and stick with them.
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Great call. We, forever are looking back at useless failures. Someone earlier said Malik could come back, it shows how poor our selectors have been and how little our fans understand.
 
Worth mentioning, Sarfaraz Ahmed. Guy is just watching his career ending right in front of his eyes. Geez, that’s painful
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The only two players whose careers should end after this are Asif Ali and Husain Talat.

A player like Asif Ali is dangerous for Pakistan because he is selected on the idea that he will play some Buttler-esque knock when in reality the only good knock he ever played came in a losing cause, in an ODI against England that he should have finished off.

Talat is the most mentally weak player I personally seen in a very long time. I sincerely hope he never plays for Pakistan. Ever.

I am tempted to add Khushdil to the list but I think he has some talent and shouldn't be written off just yet. However, he is by no means ready for international cricket right now.
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AA isn't international quality and has never shown anything to suggest otherwise. Talat is late on the ball but I wouldn't disregard him totally, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point but signs arent promising. As far as Khushdil is concerned, he looks out of place but he is also a big hitter and it's too easy to kick him out. This is where we need some of coaches to work with him. I would get him into open wickets and work on him hitting exclusively through the off side. It would take time but it can be done.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know what posters here have against Iftikhar. He has gotten extremely limited chances in limited overs and has done fairly well especially in T20s.

As for ODIs, there are few batsmen who have genuinely earned a place in the ODI side based on their List A performances. And Iftikhar is one of them. Anyone who has followed domestic in recent years knows he has been absolutely crushing it in the Pakistan Cup year after year. There is no one better suited to the No.6 position in ODIs for Pakistan rn. And I think in T20s he should have a similar role at 5 or 6.

His career is far from over.
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The fact that you rate Iftikhar and Khushdil over Azam is astounding.
 
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Babar_Azam_fan said:
I feel this match ended the careers of Iftikhar and Khushdil. They wore the jersey for the one last time.
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Khushdil maybe, Talat almost certainly. However, you'd be hard pressed to write off Iftikhar yet when he remains a top LA run scorer every year. Even if you drop him it'll only be temporary as his replacements aren't going to be any better.
 
Sarfaraz is probably the unluckiest Pakistani cricketer in recent times. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't ever good enough, but I have not seen someone lose their place in the side to another player so comprehensively. Rizwan has secured his spot for years and years to come, Sarfaraz must be gutted. Hopefully T20 leagues keep him busy and employed.
 
Haris Rauf will be back, but hopefully we have seen the last of him for the year at least thanks to Hasan Ali.
 
ElRaja said:
means your further along the development curve and likely to start regressing as an athlete much faster than you would if ur age was real, thus disrupting the ability of management to make effective long term plans.

i have nothing against iftikhar, and if he was really 30 id suggest he would be useful as a squad player, but he must be in his late 30s, which means his ability will start to decline rapidly in two or three years.
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Players are selected on performance. Each side has only a handful of players that are seen as long-term prospects, the rest shuffle in and out. Pakistan has plenty of guys who are long-term prospects: Babar, Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen, Hasan, Imam.

Also, I don't think Pakistan as a side can't be so choosy. Pakistan is a mediocre side and if there is a player around who has the potential to be a consistent performer, even in the short-term: he should be backed.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
The fact that you rate Iftikhar and Khushdil over Azam is astounding.
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Probably because I didn't start watching cricket yesterday.

Khushdil has gotten numerous chances on the international level. The only time he looked good and not completely at sea was against a minnow side: Zimbabwe. On all other occasions he has failed to even reach 20, besides looking completely out of depth with the bat.

Iftikhar, despite the limited chances he has gotten looked like a million bucks against a top quality T20 side like Australia. Unlike Khushdil he wasn't struggling to sneak a single or playing out maidens in a T20 game.

He has earned his place based on the performances he has been giving since 2016, rather than a few inconsequential knocks in PSL or NT20

Not gonna bother repeating everything I've already said about Azam Khan.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Players are selected on performance. Each side has only a handful of players that are seen as long-term prospects, the rest shuffle in and out. Pakistan has plenty of guys who are long-term prospects: Babar, Shadab, Rizwan, Shaheen, Hasan, Imam.

Also, I don't think Pakistan as a side can't be so choosy. Pakistan is a mediocre side and if there is a player around who has the potential to be a consistent performer, even in the short-term: he should be backed.
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can*
 
Bewal Express said:
AA isn't international quality and has never shown anything to suggest otherwise. Talat is late on the ball but I wouldn't disregard him totally, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point but signs arent promising. As far as Khushdil is concerned, he looks out of place but he is also a big hitter and it's too easy to kick him out. This is where we need some of coaches to work with him. I would get him into open wickets and work on him hitting exclusively through the off side. It would take time but it can be done.
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In order to be a "big hitter" you have to actually hit the ball at some point.

Khushdil's problem has nothing to do with technique. I mean he literally smashed a century in Domestic T20 a few months ago. His problem is that he is mentally weak. When he goes out to bat in a pressure situation he doesn't know what to do. Just look at the way he played out 5 dot balls the other day to Shamsi. In a T20 game that is absolutely criminal and there is no excuse other than the fact that he bucked under the pressure.
 
It is unfair to end Iftikhar's career. He still has a good T20I record. Just because he ain't Shahid Afridi and doesn't belong to a certain region, he is being hated unfairly by fickle fans. These fickle fans quickly forgot how he dominated Australia in Australia in that T20I series. Finished the game in NZ as well. Just because he didn't do well in his last 2 games, doesn't mean its over for him. I would stick with him in the middle order till the 2023 WC no matter what fickle fans say. Misbah is sane enough to support him. I hope he has a brilliant PSL.
 
Khushdil Shah shouldn't play again unless he makes some massive improvement. A terrible legside hack.
 
Looks like Shabaz Nadeem may not get to play again for India considering how he is plundered for runs in the 1st test.
 
What about sarfaraz. Surely we donr need him when rizwan is in the form of his life and we have good upcomming wicket keepers in azam khan and rihail nazir.
 
MHN1293 said:
What about sarfaraz. Surely we donr need him when rizwan is in the form of his life and we have good upcomming wicket keepers in azam khan and rihail nazir.
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He has a very powerful lobby behind him. He'll be first in line if Rizwan is ever rested or injured so nah.
 
0/51 from Wahab today. He's not looking very good at all these days. Run leaking machine
 
A career doesn't end after a bad few games. Not sure sure the purpose of this thread is other than to be reactionary and toxic
 
Asif Ali once and for all please Mohammad Wasim.
 
Two useless hacks kushdil and asif alis careers ending in the same year.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Haris Rauf probably saved 40 runs today by getting the wicket of Miller. How is he a failed experiment?
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The most worrying thing about Haris is the lack of brain cells, surely he can see what we can see and that is that his short ball is a 4 ball and he needs to stop bowling or improve it by getting it higher than just above waist high. That alone would improve his bowling by 20%.
 
Thank you Asif Ali. Your videos would be used for next generation of players on how not to bat.
 
Asif Ali wouldn't make it into a Sunday league team. Should never have played for Pak full stop.

I cringe every time I see Haris Rauf bowl. He is clearly not a thinking bowler. Yes he has pace, but what else does he possess?
 
Bewal Express said:
The most worrying thing about Haris is the lack of brain cells, surely he can see what we can see and that is that his short ball is a 4 ball and he needs to stop bowling or improve it by getting it higher than just above waist high. That alone would improve his bowling by 20%.
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It's not just the height. It invariably ends up on or outside leg stump as well, which is very easy to just guide to fine/square leg. It's clearly not working and if he can't see that, he might as well be a member of another species.
 
Third Man said:
It's not just the height. It invariably ends up on or outside leg stump as well, which is very easy to just guide to fine/square leg. It's clearly not working and if he can't see that, he might as well be a member of another species.
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It's also height. His short balls barely get above waist high and for any batsman in FC cricket worth his salt, its easy picking. Surely, he must have figured out that this poor tactic isn't working.
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
Asif Ali in ODIs
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In everything actually but unfortunately he’s getting all these chances based on the passing away of his daughter which really needs to be over now it was a sad thing but this sympathy selection should be done and over with now
 
Asif Ali is a pure hack , who has refused to modify and adapt himself , its time you give chance to some other youngster .
 
Really disheartening to see him play that shot, when the asking rate was 4.5 Po and he had so many overs to go.

Should have really put himself in the context. Another int' cap wastefully given by pcb
 
Varun said:
Pakistani players don't end their careers just like that. Wait for the loops and rolls before they're either dragged away kicking and screaming (Yousuf, Akmal) or fade into oblivion without announcing a retirement (Razzaq, Ajmal).

So this thread will go nowhere IMO.
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I believe ajmal did annouce his retirement
 
Asif’s career is far from over. He will be in the team for the T20s against Zimbabwe because Misbah will want to stick with the ‘winning combination’. Never has a player, who has offered so little, been given such a long rope at the international level. It’s not like he has a great domestic record either. The fact that he has played almost 50 international matches for Pakistan is almost a big of a disgrace as the spot fixing scandal.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
For one thing he has done blatant age fraud. Not the typical one or two years. I would say at minimum he is 35.
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Some guys look older than their real age. Its genetics. Look at German soccer star Thomas Muller. Now, don't claim germans do age fraud too.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
Some guys look older than their real age. Its genetics. Look at German soccer star Thomas Muller. Now, don't claim germans do age fraud too.
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How old do you think chacha Ifthikhar is? His official age is 30. If you can prove that is his real age i will drink gomutra.
 
There is no career ending category for Pakistanis because this nation is corrupt to core and always bring there likes in business anytine
 
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