Catches dropped off Mohammad Amir's bowling since his comeback to cricket

[leatherface58]

Why is this thread not made for other bowlers? If all catches were taken off the bowling, all bowlers would have better averages and batsmen would have worse averages. Cricket does not run on ifs and buts. Amir has been unlucky but this golden boy treatment is sickening, to say the list.

 

[Xoib]

Found this tweet on twitter.
IF his 12 drops were taken in tests since his comeback
Wickets: 35,
Avg: 23.5,
S/R: 47.7

Those would have been some great numbers!

It does not work like that if he was creating more chances then his dropped cathes would not be highlighted more.Just look at his bowling and really tell me is bowling like a sub 25 average bowler?

 

[kingusama92]

Why is this thread not made for other bowlers? If all catches were taken off the bowling, all bowlers would have better averages and batsmen would have worse averages. Cricket does not run on ifs and buts. Amir has been unlucky but this golden boy treatment is sickening, to say the list.

You're right, but the gap is rather large between him and the next bowler when it comes to dropped catches.

He creates the most chances and therefore the number of catches dropped off his bowling is staggeringly high. It has nothing to do with a "golden boy" treatment.

It's similar to a batsman getting 5-6 poor decisions in a row because of horrible umpiring. It gets ridiculous after a while and you feel bad for them.

 

[Xoib]

People need to wake up and realize Amir is no longer the pre ban bowler

 

[Buffet]

Why is this thread not made for other bowlers? If all catches were taken off the bowling, all bowlers would have better averages and batsmen would have worse averages. Cricket does not run on ifs and buts. Amir has been unlucky but this golden boy treatment is sickening, to say the list.

I think, Indians dropped 5-6 catches when Umesh bowled against Eng in this series so far.

 

[Xoib]

I think, Indians dropped 5-6 catches when Umesh bowled against Eng in this series so far.

But but but its only poor amir who gets all the bad luck.

 

[Aman]

I wonder what Hadlee and Steyn's hypothetical averages are.

 

[Rayyman]

Lol. More Amir bashing. These guys won't stop.

 

[Indiafan]

You're right, but the gap is rather large between him and the next bowler when it comes to dropped catches.

He creates the most chances and therefore the number of catches dropped off his bowling is staggeringly high. It has nothing to do with a "golden boy" treatment.

It's similar to a batsman getting 5-6 poor decisions in a row because of horrible umpiring. It gets ridiculous after a while and you feel bad for them.

6 catches dropped of Yadav already in 2 matches

And of course it has to do with golden boy treatment no matter how much you deny it. Sohail Khan tool 5-fer in England but not a single thread was made for him. There were at least 5 Amir threads then and in every one people were talking about how unlucky he was.

Are you really trying to pretend Amir does not get preferential treatment from fans? There is clear double standards when it comes to Amir vs any other bowler

 

[Indiafan]

Lol. More Amir bashing. These guys won't stop.

!0 threads on Amir when he does nothing is fair. Putting down every other bowler to make Amir look better is fair.
But when people reply to that, its bashing. Hilarious double standards here

 

[Gilly]

I wonder what Hadlee and Steyn's hypothetical averages are.

If Hadlee had of had DRS and his dropped catches taken into account his average would have been about 12.43

 

[Shafi]

These Amir haters used to hate him even before spot fixing scandal so nothing patriotic about it to hate him and bash

 

[Ellipsism]

Lol. More Amir bashing. These guys won't stop.

These Amir haters used to hate him even before spot fixing scandal so nothing patriotic about it to hate him and bash

Are we "bashing" or pointng out what's true?

 

[Shafi]

Amir should make himself smart enough to make a choice:

1. Pull himself out of the team giving personal reason and play domestic and franchise leagues
2. Not rely on catches at all and concentrate on giving Yorkers and attack the stumps.

Option 1 is better for him and Pakistan since most of the players do not want him.

 

[Shafi]

Are we "bashing" or pointng out what's true?

Read my next post which will give win win situation for all of us and it will benefit Pakistan team

 

[Ellipsism]

Read my next post which will give win win situation for all of us and it will benefit Pakistan team

What makes you think the players don't want him?

He hasn't performed yet his fans still tout him as Pakistan's best bowler.

 

[Ellipsism]

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Any human with a logical sense of thinking would not look into hypothetical averages.

 

[kingusama92]

6 catches dropped of Yadav already in 2 matches

And of course it has to do with golden boy treatment no matter how much you deny it. Sohail Khan tool 5-fer in England but not a single thread was made for him. There were at least 5 Amir threads then and in every one people were talking about how unlucky he was.

Are you really trying to pretend Amir does not get preferential treatment from fans? There is clear double standards when it comes to Amir vs any other bowler

The same applies to Yadav. I've seen multiple articles about how unlucky he's been due to Indian fielding.

I haven't seen anyone gloss over Amir's inefficiencies. The idea is to illustrate the numbers are exaggerated because of these dropped chances.

I'll give you a random example,

Bowler A: Takes 5-wicket Haul (No dropped catches)
Bowler B: Takes 0 wickets (5 dropped catches)

Is bowler B worse than bowler A?

I'm not suggesting the example above is the difference between Sohail Khan/Rahat Ali and Mohammad Amir. I'm simply stating that's the importance of dropped catches and what they can do when the number is staggeringly high compared to every other bowler.

Once again, the same applies to Yadav. Looking at Yadav's stats, you'd think he was rubbish in the first two tests, but the six dropped catches illustrate he was incredibly unlucky compared to his bowling partners.

It's also important to mentioned Amir is a polarizing bowler right now. His critics are vociferous (i.e. "He deserves it") and this can lead his supporters to become equally emotional and overzealous.

However, in this case, I am with his supporters. The dropped catches are ridiculous and forget Amir, it's hurt our team substantially too.

 

[Slog]

6 catches dropped of Yadav already in 2 matches

And of course it has to do with golden boy treatment no matter how much you deny it. Sohail Khan tool 5-fer in England but not a single thread was made for him. There were at least 5 Amir threads then and in every one people were talking about how unlucky he was.

Are you really trying to pretend Amir does not get preferential treatment from fans? There is clear double standards when it comes to Amir vs any other bowler

This guy speaks a lot of sense in regards to golden boy treatment

Sohail Khan made a comeback in England and took two 5fers but somehow the threads and accolades ended up with Amir on PP

Ofcourse it's true there have been drops off Amir and maybe higher than the average but it's certainly not exclusive to him

 

[street cricketer]

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Lol this is the funniest one I've seen in a while.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think yadav has been less lucky. Our fielders are dropping catches left,right and centre. We don't deserve to beat England with such pathetic catching.

 

[Slog]

I think yadav has been less lucky. Our fielders are dropping catches left,right and centre. We don't deserve to beat England with such pathetic catching.

England batsmen aren't really making it count though

They add 10-20 max and get out anyway

 

[leatherface58]

Sohail Khan performs the best out of everyone and clearly spearheads the attack but people scoff at it and are "Sad" about it.

Amir, on the other hand, has been below par despite some bad luck but is still the best bowler in the side.

End of the day, ability does not win you games. Performance does.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

If amir is better than any bowler of current era without any real good stats after playing so many match in favorable pitch and with some ppers imaginary stats then our most worthless bowler Shahadat is an all time ATG bowler with our imaginary stats (avg 5, econ 1.0, wkt 700). How ridiculous way to make any decent bowler an ATG without any great performance and with imaginary stats.ridiculous ppers. Amir performance says he is a decent bowler,not ATG at all. End of discussion.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Sohail Khan performs the best out of everyone and clearly spearheads the attack but people scoff at it and are "Sad" about it.

Amir, on the other hand, has been below par despite some bad luck but is still the best bowler in the side.

End of the day, ability does not win you games. Performance does.

Sohail khan being very good compared to 'ATG' Amir.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

England batsmen aren't really making it count though

They add 10-20 max and get out anyway

Still. Wickets tend to fall in clusters here in India and unless we hold on to our catches we are simply gifting the initiative to England. We have allowed England to be competitive when we should have really dominated them.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Lol this is the funniest one I've seen in a while.

Not in a while. I think it is 'ATG' funny or 'ATF' ie 'all time funniest' post.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

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It should get POTY award

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I wonder what Hadlee and Steyn's hypothetical averages are.

Steyn was supported by arguably the greatest slip cordon ever so it wouldn't be too far from his actual average. Good examples would be Pakistani greats who had to deal with this every match and still managed to average low 20s.

 

[Aman]

Lol this is the funniest one I've seen in a while.

Doesn't get lower than that

May as well make this a stat for other bowlers too )

 

[Gilly]

Steyn was supported by arguably the greatest slip cordon ever so it wouldn't be too far from his actual average. Good examples would be Pakistani greats who had to deal with this every match and still managed to average low 20s.

Not even close, Taylor Waugh Waugh and Warne by a mile.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Not even close, Taylor Waugh Waugh and Warne by a mile.

The Saffers are more athletic with just as safe hands. You're an Aussie so I understand.

 

[kingusama92]

Sohail Khan performs the best out of everyone and clearly spearheads the attack but people scoff at it and are "Sad" about it.

Amir, on the other hand, has been below par despite some bad luck but is still the best bowler in the side.

End of the day, ability does not win you games. Performance does.

But define "performance".

Look at this test match for example.

Sohail Khan: 4 wickets (0 Dropped Catches)
Mohammad Amir: 2 wickets (3 Dropped Catches)

Is Sohail Khan the better bowler because he was luckier to have a better conversion rate on his chances?

Performance should be determined by the creation of chances. I'm not suggesting Amir should get a pass because in England, Sohail Khan created more chances and was better.

The idea is to illustrate, there's more to the picture than simple stats let on.

 

[Gilly]

The Saffers are more athletic with just as safe hands. You're an Aussie so I understand.

So who were these more athletic saffers with just as safe hands?.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

But define "performance".

Look at this test match for example.

Sohail Khan: 4 wickets (0 Dropped Catches)
Mohammad Amir: 2 wickets (3 Dropped Catches)

Is Sohail Khan the better bowler because he was luckier to have a better conversion rate on his chances?

Performance should be determined by the creation of chances. I'm not suggesting Amir should get a pass because in England, Sohail Khan created more chances and was better.

The idea is to illustrate, there's more to the picture than simple stats let on.

In that case please bring on Mohammed Sami and Danish Kaneria

 

[kingusama92]

In that case please bring on Mohammed Sami and Danish Kaneria

You add to my point.

A good bowler creates chances and restricts runs.

In the 1st innings:

Amir: 19 overs, 59 runs conceded
Sohail Khan: 25 overs, 99 runs conceded

Who was the better bowler? Sohail Khan because his chances were converted and helped reduce his average? As you can imagine, this is a slippery slope.

 

[Aman]

But define "performance".

Look at this test match for example.

Sohail Khan: 4 wickets (0 Dropped Catches)
Mohammad Amir: 2 wickets (3 Dropped Catches)

Is Sohail Khan the better bowler because he was luckier to have a better conversion rate on his chances?

Performance should be determined by the creation of chances. I'm not suggesting Amir should get a pass because in England, Sohail Khan created more chances and was better.

The idea is to illustrate, there's more to the picture than simple stats let on.

Are we talking about the NZ series?

If that's the case, two of those chances were Raval and the other was a tough caught and bowled chance dropped by Amir..

 

[Sin Nombre]

The Saffers are more athletic with just as safe hands. You're an Aussie so I understand.

Athleticism and slip fielding have little correlation.

Some of the best slip fielders have been the most unfit, and some of the best outfielders are poor slip catchers (see Jadeja, Kohli).

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

You add to my point.

A good bowler creates chances and restricts runs.

In the 1st innings:

Amir: 19 overs, 59 runs conceded
Sohail Khan: 25 overs, 99 runs conceded

Who was the better bowler? Sohail Khan because his chances were converted and helped reduce his average? As you can imagine, this is a slippery slope.

Yes, that's why I was saying to bring on Mohammed Sami and Danish Kaneria.

Kaneria would have been averaging in the low 20s if not for Kamran Akmal, Kamran Akmal ruined so many masoom bowler's career. He has bad dua of so many bowlers, alhamdullilah he is permanently dropped

Sami is still the fastest bowler in Pakistan, Kaneria is a better spinner than Yasir Shah.

Sami, Wahab, Amir + Kaneria, is an unstoppable force

 

[kingusama92]

Are we talking about the NZ series?

If that's the case, two of those chances were Raval and the other was a tough caught and bowled chance dropped by Amir..

Contrast this with Sohail. All four of his wickets were caught but the fielders held on.

Amir had three dropped (yes including one by himself) . This illustrates a poor conversion rate due to rubbish fielding.

As a side note, I mentioned Amir's dropped catch because it was still a created chance. If you wish to disregard it, then I'm okay with listing it as two dropped chances.

The point would still stand.

 

[leatherface58]

But define "performance".

Look at this test match for example.

Sohail Khan: 4 wickets (0 Dropped Catches)
Mohammad Amir: 2 wickets (3 Dropped Catches)

Is Sohail Khan the better bowler because he was luckier to have a better conversion rate on his chances?

Performance should be determined by the creation of chances. I'm not suggesting Amir should get a pass because in England, Sohail Khan created more chances and was better.

The idea is to illustrate, there's more to the picture than simple stats let on.

What is this crap? Is it Sohail's fault fielders took his catch at that moment?

And no there is nothing beyond the "stats". The batsman getting out is a FACT. The batsman getting dropped and going on to score more runs is a FACT. Unlucky bowler? Maybe. Better bowler than another one who is actually taking wickets on that day? Nonsense. That is disrespectful to the person who actually got the results.

Stats are when you see the numbers and analyze them. Batsman getting out is a simple fact and at the end of the day, you would not give a damn about any other bowler if it was not precious Amir. Are you gonna start reducing runs scored off inside edges too? How about fours going through the outside edges? How about overthrows?

Here is a great idea! Why don't you consider all grounds less than 75m to be actually 75m. Now go and see all the sixes less than 75m and cancel them from every bowler's record.

Another idea! Why don't you analyze all the bowling footage from before this decade. Keep a close eye on those tall fast bowlers from the West Indies who used to bowl those perfume balls and look for any no balls they might have bowled which due to lack of replays went unnoticed. Their records would look so much worse, wouldn't they because their wickets are technically not wickets, right? Do you care? I don't think so. Because it does not suit your agenda.

Fact is this is a security blanket of a thread created as a coping mechanism to justify Amir's less than stellar performance.

 

[NauV]

People need to wake up and realize Amir is no longer the pre ban bowler

People need to wake up and realize Amir was never the bowler people made him out to be (pre ban) through watching youtube videos on repeat!

I keep saying, the guy averaged 29 and had just ONE stellar series in an extremely wet and seam friendly English summer.

He was a good prospect then getting better and he is a good prospect now who is getting better.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

People need to wake up and realize Amir was never the bowler people made him out to be (pre ban) through watching youtube videos on repeat!

I keep saying, the guy averaged 29 and had just ONE stellar series in an extremely wet and seam friendly English summer.

He was a good prospect then getting better and he is a good prospect now who is getting better.

You are just jealous

 

[Indiafan]

Contrast this with Sohail. All four of his wickets were caught but the fielders held on.

Amir had three dropped (yes including one by himself) . This illustrates a poor conversion rate due to rubbish fielding.

As a side note, I mentioned Amir's dropped catch because it was still a created chance. If you wish to disregard it, then I'm okay with listing it as two dropped chances.

The point would still stand.

I love how you count each drop catch as one wicket, its hilarious. When sometimes its of the same batsmen. So Amir is soo good he would have got the same batsman out twice or thrice and got 2-3 wickets. This was very true of the England series where Cook was dropped twice and then Amir got him out anyways. So 3 wickets of Cook right? Also things like, if Rawal's catch wasn't dropped, he wouldn't have taken the single and the next batsman which Amir got out would not have been on strike

 

[kingusama92]

I love how you count each drop catch as one wicket, its hilarious. When sometimes its of the same batsmen. So Amir is soo good he would have got the same batsman out twice or thrice and got 2-3 wickets. Also things like, if Rawal's catch wasn't dropped, he wouldn't have taken the single and the next batsman which Amir got out would not have been on strike

You're failing to understand the premise of a conversion rate.

Sohail Khan created 4 chances and all 4 converted into wickets. 100% conversion rate.

Amir created 5 chances and 2 converted. 40% conversion rate.

If Raval was caught after chance #1: Amir created 4 chances and 3 converted (75% conversion rate).

As you can see, Amir would still have created 4 chances which is the same amount as Sohail Khan with a poorer conversion rate.

Yet, Sohail Khan takes home the praise while giving more runs per over too!

 

[sl-fan-of-pak]

Some Indians are just upset with Aamir because they still remember the way he removed Sharma, Rahane, Kohli (with DRS) and nearly Raina .. in almost consecutive balls ;D lol

 

[Ellipsism]

You're failing to understand the premise of a conversion rate.

Sohail Khan created 4 chances and all 4 converted into wickets. 100% conversion rate.

Amir created 5 chances and 2 converted. 40% conversion rate.

If Raval was caught after chance #1: Amir created 4 chances and 3 converted (75% conversion rate).

As you can see, Amir would still have created 4 chances which is the same amount as Sohail Khan with a poorer conversion rate.

Yet, Sohail Khan takes home the praise while giving more runs per over too!

It's not Sohail's fault that Amir bowls defensive lines and lengths.

 

[kingusama92]

What is this crap? Is it Sohail's fault fielders took his catch at that moment?

And no there is nothing beyond the "stats". The batsman getting out is a FACT. The batsman getting dropped and going on to score more runs is a FACT. Unlucky bowler? Maybe. Better bowler than another one who is actually taking wickets on that day? Nonsense. That is disrespectful to the person who actually got the results.

Stats are when you see the numbers and analyze them. Batsman getting out is a simple fact and at the end of the day, you would not give a damn about any other bowler if it was not precious Amir. Are you gonna start reducing runs scored off inside edges too? How about fours going through the outside edges? How about overthrows?

Here is a great idea! Why don't you consider all grounds less than 75m to be actually 75m. Now go and see all the sixes less than 75m and cancel them from every bowler's record.

Another idea! Why don't you analyze all the bowling footage from before this decade. Keep a close eye on those tall fast bowlers from the West Indies who used to bowl those perfume balls and look for any no balls they might have bowled which due to lack of replays went unnoticed. Their records would look so much worse, wouldn't they because their wickets are technically not wickets, right? Do you care? I don't think so. Because it does not suit your agenda.

Fact is this is a security blanket of a thread created as a coping mechanism to justify Amir's less than stellar performance.

Bowler A creates a chance and the fielder drops it.

Bowler B creates a chance and the fielder catches it.

By your logic, bowler B is better automatically.

I am not a diehard Amir fan. I watch Pakistan to see the team win. It's rather insulting to have my point invalidated on such an assumption.

In fact, using my statistical approach, Sohail Khan was a far better bowler than Amir in England!

 

[street cricketer]

Some Indians are just upset with Aamir because they still remember the way he removed Sharma, Rahane, Kohli (with DRS) and nearly Raina .. in almost consecutive balls ;D lol

That wouldn't have been out even if DRS was there. Stop counting everything in Amir's name.

 

[uberkoen]

v England, 4th Test, The Oval

First innings

30.6 Mohammad Amir to Ali, no run, edged, flat and low to Azhar at third slip, who drops the chance! He clung on, fortuitously, to a near identical fumble off Ballance, but this was was if anything an easier opportunity in the first instance. Straight in, straight out. Amir kicks the turf in fury

The cost: England were 130 for 5. Ali went on to score 108 and was the last man out, with the score on 328.

v West Indies, 3rd Test, Sharjah

Second innings

0.5 Mohammad Amir to Johnson, no run, oh Pakistan's horror day refuses to end. Perfect seam position, on a length, on off, just about holds its line, takes the edge, goes to Misbah at third slip at a nice catchable height. Misbah lets it slip, though. Oh just when you thought you had said goodbye to the naughty Pakistan of old

2.5 Mohammad Amir to Johnson, no run, West Indies won't lose this match even if they want to. Poor cricket all around. Loose push to a shortish ball outside off, the edge carries chest high to Sami Aslam at first slip, but he makes a meal of it. Never in any danger of catching this. Hard hands, don't close at the right time. Poor Amir is left to kick the ground in disgust

The cost: Leon Johnson was on 0 and 3. He was dismissed for 12 after adding 29 for the opening wicket in a historic West Indies victory.

v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Hamilton

First innings

0.3 Mohammad Amir to Raval, no run, another catch dropped off Amir, Aslam is the culprit now at first slip. Full away-swinger, pokes and edges it low to the left of Aslam. He bends low and shells the knee-high grab

4.6 Mohammad Amir to Williamson, no run, Amir drops a return catch to his right. Full and angling away outside off, Williamson drives it in the air to the right of the bowler. Think Amir was reluctant to dive, he ultimately tumbles late to his right. Attempts the catch with both hands but spills it

28.6 Mohammad Amir to Raval, 1 run, Aslam drops another straightforward catch off Amir at first slip. Raval was reprieved on 4 on the first morning, he is reprieved again on 40 on the second morning. Good length, angled in, and then straightens away outside off. Raval has a naughty flirt and outside-edges it. Aslam is slow to react to start with; he then dives across to his right and shells it. He did not even have to fall that far to his right. The hands are apart and he is never really balanced. Amir is livid and is ready to tear his hair apart

The cost: Jeet Raval was on 0 and 41 when he was dropped. He top-scored with 55. Williamson made 13 after being dropped on 0.

 

[Stark]

Are you really trying to pretend Amir does not get preferential treatment from fans? There is clear double standards when it comes to Amir vs any other bowler

It is not exactly unexpected.

A lot of hype was made for him
Lot of exceptions made
Lot of people exposed their underbelly to show support for him

Add to all this, a nation which has been crazy about pace.. and one which has hadn't seen the blazing sensation in the pace dept, while ironically relying on spinners to get the bowling bragging rights since some time..

Now throw into the mix the hype train norm...

It is natural for the cries to be heard.

 

[Aman]

v England, 4th Test, The Oval

First innings

30.6 Mohammad Amir to Ali, no run, edged, flat and low to Azhar at third slip, who drops the chance! He clung on, fortuitously, to a near identical fumble off Ballance, but this was was if anything an easier opportunity in the first instance. Straight in, straight out. Amir kicks the turf in fury

The cost: England were 130 for 5. Ali went on to score 108 and was the last man out, with the score on 328.

v West Indies, 3rd Test, Sharjah

Second innings

0.5 Mohammad Amir to Johnson, no run, oh Pakistan's horror day refuses to end. Perfect seam position, on a length, on off, just about holds its line, takes the edge, goes to Misbah at third slip at a nice catchable height. Misbah lets it slip, though. Oh just when you thought you had said goodbye to the naughty Pakistan of old

2.5 Mohammad Amir to Johnson, no run, West Indies won't lose this match even if they want to. Poor cricket all around. Loose push to a shortish ball outside off, the edge carries chest high to Sami Aslam at first slip, but he makes a meal of it. Never in any danger of catching this. Hard hands, don't close at the right time. Poor Amir is left to kick the ground in disgust

The cost: Leon Johnson was on 0 and 3. He was dismissed for 12 after adding 29 for the opening wicket in a historic West Indies victory.

v New Zealand, 2nd Test, Hamilton

First innings

0.3 Mohammad Amir to Raval, no run, another catch dropped off Amir, Aslam is the culprit now at first slip. Full away-swinger, pokes and edges it low to the left of Aslam. He bends low and shells the knee-high grab

4.6 Mohammad Amir to Williamson, no run, Amir drops a return catch to his right. Full and angling away outside off, Williamson drives it in the air to the right of the bowler. Think Amir was reluctant to dive, he ultimately tumbles late to his right. Attempts the catch with both hands but spills it

28.6 Mohammad Amir to Raval, 1 run, Aslam drops another straightforward catch off Amir at first slip. Raval was reprieved on 4 on the first morning, he is reprieved again on 40 on the second morning. Good length, angled in, and then straightens away outside off. Raval has a naughty flirt and outside-edges it. Aslam is slow to react to start with; he then dives across to his right and shells it. He did not even have to fall that far to his right. The hands are apart and he is never really balanced. Amir is livid and is ready to tear his hair apart

The cost: Jeet Raval was on 0 and 41 when he was dropped. He top-scored with 55. Williamson made 13 after being dropped on 0.

You do know how silly it is to bring up Amir dropping his own catch?... That too a tough chance... then there's the counting of two wickets for the one batsmen... this whole thread has reached all time levels of reaching and desperation... I can't believe fans aren't ashamed by what they're posting here.. Dropped catches are a part of the game, there is no stat for hypotheticals...

 

[uberkoen]

You do know how silly it is to bring up Amir dropping his own catch?... That too a tough chance... then there's the counting of two wickets for the one batsmen... this whole thread has reached all time levels of reaching and desperation... I can't believe fans aren't shamed by what they're posting here..

A dropped catch is a dropped catch and a missed wicket.

Why is it silly to bring it up? The whole point is that he has been unlucky thus far because of all the dropped chances and that his numbers would've been completely different if people had held on to those (himself included).

 

[Aman]

That wouldn't have been out even if DRS was there. Stop counting everything in Amir's name.

Should make a thread watch for Shami and Yadev's hypothetical stats.

 

[Aman]

A dropped catch is a dropped catch and a missed wicket.

Why is it silly to bring it up? The whole point is that he has been unlucky thus far because of all the dropped chances and that his numbers would've been completely different if people had held on to those (himself included).

When has anyone in world cricket been desperate enough to count missed chances in a players stats..

You're either good enough to take those chances or you're not.

Pakistan are known to be a poor fielding side, so it is no surprise they have dropped so many.

 

[uberkoen]

When has anyone in world cricket been desperate enough to count missed chances in a players stats..

You're either good enough to take those chances or you're not.

Pakistan are known to be a poor fielding side, so it is no surprise they have dropped so many.

Amir has been exceptionally unlucky with the dropped catches since his return.

The point of the thread, as I understand it, is to show that he has been creating the chances to get the wickets however, those chances were missed for one reason or another. This goes to show that his bowling has been pretty decent since his comeback and that he still has that wicket taking ability.

Either you misunderstand the purpose of this discussion or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[kingusama92]

When has anyone in world cricket been desperate enough to count missed chances in a players stats..

You're either good enough to take those chances or you're not.

Pakistan are known to be a poor fielding side, so it is no surprise they have dropped so many.

A bowler who creates more chances is the better bowler. That's the point being made.

This goes for Sohail Khan, Rahat Ali, and any other bowler in the world btw.

I've mentioned this before, but Sohail Khan comes up on top using the same logic for our series in England. He created more chances, so it's not reserved for Amir alone.

BUT,

I agree missed chances shouldn't be counted as official stats the way some have done. They're missed chances for a reason and dropped catches are a reality everyone deals with.

However, I'd hope a selector does take these things into consideration. You want bowlers who create the most chances in your team.

In the end, the larger this sample size grows, the more it'll even out.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Lol.

Messiah Amir cannot even lose when losing on statistics.

He wins on hypotheticals alone.

 

[Boom boom legend]

Muhammad Amir is the best fast bowler from asia. People just love to criticise and even when the bare facts are put in their face, they still look for excuses to bash him and yet fans of his are the ones with excuses.

I personally do not take the Indian fans views seriously on this matter and I believe if they had the chance to swap him with any of their fast bowlers they would bite your hand off.

Also to those saying it happens to everyone, which other bowler has had 13 catches dropped since Amirs return yet been scrutinised for not taking enough wickets? Also makes me laugh when they say he should create another chance after they have been dropped. These are professional top level players not some amateurs where you can get edges of them whenever you feel.

Regarding the current series dont be surprised if he shows some magic in the second innings of NZ later on to set us up nicely for the win.

 

[Azlan Khan]

13 drop catches since Amir's comeback (All formats) - Aslam 3, Hafeez 2, Sarfraz 2, Shafiq 1, Younis 1, Afridi 1, Sohaib 1, Misbah 1 and Azhar 1.

 

[Shafi]

As I said before, These people bashed or hated Amir even before spot fixing scandal. Some of them even considered him lucky in 2010 England performance.

People accept it or not but number of dropping catches against a particular bowler and his pre-match obstacles by Azhar, Hafeez and our patriotic formers like Latif...always raise an issue. If Waqar was not the coach in that time he would never get opportunity to play again.

 

[Shafi]

I bet if South African players keep dropping 3-4 catches per match of Steyn's bowling he will loose venom. A bowler needs inspiration in the field by atleast hold catches.

 

[Buffet]

This goes to show that his bowling has been pretty decent since his comeback and that he still has that wicket taking ability.

He has bowled decently and I think it should be obvious to anyone watching the match.

 

[MenInG]

13 drop catches since Amir's comeback (All formats) - Aslam 3, Hafeez 2, Sarfraz 2, Shafiq 1, Younis 1, Afridi 1, Sohaib 1, Misbah 1 and Azhar 1.

Amir himself = 1

 

[Azlan Khan]

Amir himself = 1

Doesn't count if he drops it himself.

 

[sajeebmcj]

I bet if South African players keep dropping 3-4 catches per match of Steyn's bowling he will loose venom. A bowler needs inspiration in the field by atleast hold catches.

i have seen many times missing catches when steyn was bowling.
actually all the teams miss many catches. if you followed the recent india -england series or pakistan - england series then you would have seen that.
even in england-pakistan series 25 catches were put down. pakistan missed11 catches where england missed 14 catches. but england supporters didn't give any excuse.
2014 series between aus aand southafrica in south africa, south african fileders missed almost 4 - 5 catches of warner.
now it have turened as a norm.
though recent sa vs australia series was an exception. 3-4 catches were missed only in the entire series.

 

[Barragan]

No more drops today, for the sake of Pak!!

It is getting ridiculous and honestly speaking, it has got to the point where it looks deliberate.

 

[RehanG]

an other one down on Amirs bowling.....

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

an other one down on Amirs bowling.....

Lol why off Amir's bowling only? It's crazy haha. As I said earlier Amir must be wishing for 2016 to be over soon. In general been a disappointing year for him.

 

[TalhaSyed]

11 drop catches off Amir's bowling in 8 Test matches.

Speechless.

 

[Aman]

11 drop catches off Amir's bowling in 8 Test matches.

Speechless.

Are we really going to count that last Sami one? That chance is less than 50-50 for the best fielders.. Sami would of had almost zero chance of catching it bar a fluke.

 

[Hamza78]

Last one still catchable Pakistani fielder need stick from behind

 

[kingusama92]

Did Amir forget to invite Aslam to his wedding?

This one was a tough catch though. Nothing like the sitters he dropped in the first innings.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Are we really going to count that last Sami one? That chance is less than 50-50 for the best fielders.. Sami would of had almost zero chance of catching it bar a fluke.

It was a tough chance - yet a chance none the less.

I don't know if it was a 50-50 chance for fielder X, 70% chance for fielder Y, 4% chance for fielder Z etc. etc.

The bottom line is - it was another chance (sure it was a tough one) off of Amir's bowling which went went down.

 

[itsme]

This was too dificult to be called a drop.

 

[Rayyman]

Sami made that look harder than it was.

 

[shaz619]

It was a tough chance - yet a chance none the less.

I don't know if it was a 50-50 chance for fielder X, 70% chance for fielder Y, 4% chance for fielder Z etc. etc.

The bottom line is - it was another chance (sure it was a tough one) off of Amir's bowling which went went down.

But not everything is black and white James Ellsworth or else Donald Trump ought to have credibility now right having won the battle of billionaires to help him get all the votes for presidency but if we look into the root causes he's no politician with an ineptness in the field but a popular/wealthy socialite or we'd easily label all muslims as terrorists because he shouted allah akbah whilst exploding himself. You'd also have as much of a chance as me to win the lottery or a WWF title but we both know the probability of that is low. If stats alone are the be and end all then we don't know if those 11 alleged chances would have impacted the game significantly to the point where we'd end up winning because like you say we don't know if there's a 50-50 chance if bowler X would have made use of the pressure was created or 70% Chance bowler Y or 3% bowler X or 1% Fielder W would have held on to a chance which was created by one of the 11 chances which had been taken.

Here's the truth though from what I've seen, while Amir has been let down by the fielders; we can both agree that he is not the bowler he once was but a mere shadow of his former self. If you forget the chances which were not taken he has bowled quiet well, he bowls a consistent probing line irrespective of he conditions and wicket but he just can't utilize helpful conditions as well as he once did. People think that clouds and green pitch will automatically result in wickets, that's not the case. It will take a while for him to get back to his best but frankly I don't have high expectations now, people have been consumed by nostalgia. Amir is no longer invincible, he has been humanized. People can try and deny this but even those who didn't have high hopes of his comeback given the layoff etc deep down expected him to squash batsman in the same manner GB dethroned Broid in 84 seconds! So all the peeps complaining now are either closet amir fans or just hate 17/18 year old spot fixers because they had acheived more then Nelson Mandela by the same age.

I don't care about Amir now, he's on the level of Afridi for me now in terms of me not giving a damn! Am behind team Sohail, what a tiger, exceptional main-event potential and he's had a lot odds stacked against him to such as a long lay off in between his last test and the one on his comeback in England, also being old/fragile but man he gives it 200% even when down and out, the mans a locomotive; maybe a fragile one but it still works dammit

 

[Indiafan]

Stokes had 3 catches dropped off his bowling. Doesn't get "disheartened" and goes on to take a 5-fer

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Other pakistani bowlers should also get their threads for dropped catches off their bowling. Why special attention is given to Amir only? No doubt Amir is a good bowler but he hasn't performed according to fans expectations. It's not his fault but I think bowlers like tanvir, gul and junaid also had to deal with dropped catches off their bowling. Not to mention pakistani bowlers who bowled when kami was pakistan's main wicketkeeper.

 

[Hasan123]

It's an absolute joke these drop catches. This is where our pathetic domestic pitches are costing us. The ball hardly goes to slips so up and coming players don't get us to fielding at slip. They don't get the pressure chances at 1st class level. They don't learn about the technique and positining required at slip position.


Desperately need a revamp of pitches at 1st class level.