Children of LGBTs, and heterosexual couples who support LGBT rights

[Yossarian]

I would argue that the vast majority of heterosexual couples would prefer, given the choice, to have children that 'were born to be heterosexual'. I'm making that distinct from wholeheartedly accepting their child as being LGBT once the child grew up and it became clear that was the case.

Similarly, given a choice, would a LGBT couple prefer to have a straight heterosexual child or one that was found to be LGBT once the child grew up?

Again, I'm making that distinct from wholeheartedly accepting their child as being LGBT once the child grew up and it became clear that was the case.

ie If they were presented with a situation where, say in the future, they had a choice before the child was conceived?

Think of it similar to, for example, a couple saying they would like to have a girl, but having a boy instead, and then loving their son just as much as if he had been born as a girl (and vice versa).

Note: Please read the OP carefully and try and understand it fully before wading in with comments.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Difficult to say unless you are of the LGBT community.

My opinion would be they wouldn't really care if their life principle is let people be as they wish. If they do start choosing this(if ever possible) they wouldn't who they say they are.

Im still not convinced they should be able to adopt.

 

[Yossarian]

Difficult to say unless you are of the LGBT community.

My opinion would be they wouldn't really care if their life principle is let people be as they wish. If they do start choosing this(if ever possible) they wouldn't who they say they are.

Im still not convinced they should be able to adopt.

Did you read the last para of the OP? Many prospective parents say "I/we'd like a girl (or boy)" before they know the sex of the child, especially if they already have a child of the opposite sex;. Often the two parents will even express opposing 'likes'. That's not to say they wouldn't be thrilled whatever the outcome when the sex became known, and they'd love the child just as much no matter what.

Think of the question posed in those terms, replacing boy/girl with straight/LGBT..

And the question also applies to heterosexual supporters of LGBT rights.

 

[Yossarian]

Lets hear the views of PPers hoping to have children in the future even if you are not married as of yet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Did you read the last para of the OP? Many prospective parents say "I/we'd like a girl (or boy)" before they know the sex of the child, especially if they already have a child of the opposite sex;. Often the two parents will even express opposing 'likes'. That's not to say they wouldn't be thrilled whatever the outcome when the sex became known, and they'd love the child just as much no matter what.

Think of the question posed in those terms, replacing boy/girl with straight/LGBT..

And the question also applies to heterosexual supporters of LGBT rights.

I did read it but as I said it's impossible to know what they think because im not one. Im giving my opinion as from what I understand of their belief system. LBGT individuals often emphasise their freedom to choose their orientation, therefore I would presume they wouldn't wouldn't care. I was trying to get your discussion going.

 

[Yossarian]

I did read it but as I said it's impossible to know what they think because im not one. Im giving my opinion as from what I understand of their belief system. LBGT individuals often emphasise their freedom to choose their orientation, therefore I would presume they wouldn't wouldn't care. I was trying to get your discussion going.

Appreciated.

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]; Just to add:
I'm thinking most will sidestep the thread. Might risk divulging their true feelings as opposed to their public politically correct stance.

 

[Big Mac]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]; Just to add:
I'm thinking most will sidestep the thread. Might risk divulging their true feelings as opposed to their public politically correct stance.

Yes, that is definitely the main reason why this thread won't reach a dozen pages. After all, you're asking a question of gay couples and what is PP famous for, if not being full of gay couples?

Pesky political correctness getting in the way yet again

 

[James]

Not in an LGBT couple but will reply. Married and trying for our first kid at the moment. Before we stopped using contraception we discussed the 'what if they're gay' question (amongst many other 'what if' questions) and both agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were.

 

[kingusama92]

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

Meaning you won't know until you're put in that position as a parent.

 

[Yossarian]

Yes, that is definitely the main reason why this thread won't reach a dozen pages. After all, you're asking a question of gay couples and what is PP famous for, if not being full of gay couples?

Pesky political correctness getting in the way yet again

The thread title:

Children of LGBTs, and heterosexual couples who support LGBT rights

From the OP.

Note: Please read the OP carefully and try and understand it fully before wading in with comments.

From Post # 3

And the question also applies to heterosexual supporters of LGBT rights.

Appears some posters can't read.

 

[Yossarian]

Not in an LGBT couple but will reply.

And the question also applies to heterosexual supporters of LGBT rights.

....Married and trying for our first kid at the moment. Before we stopped using contraception we discussed the 'what if they're gay' question (amongst many other 'what if' questions) and both agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were.

...... Many prospective parents say "I/we'd like a girl (or boy)" before they know the sex of the child, especially if they already have a child of the opposite sex;. Often the two parents will even express opposing 'likes'. That's not to say they wouldn't be thrilled whatever the outcome when the sex became known, and they'd love the child just as much no matter what.

Think of the question posed in those terms, replacing boy/girl with straight/LGBT..

The mere fact that "we discussed the 'what if they're gay' question (amongst many other 'what if' questions) and both agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" is telling in itself.

Did you discuss the "what if it's a boy (or girl) question" and "agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" in a similar fashion?

 

[CricketCartoons]

The mere fact that "we discussed the 'what if they're gay' question (amongst many other 'what if' questions) and both agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" is telling in itself.

Did you discuss the "what if it's a boy (or girl) question" and "agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" in a similar fashion?

I think the question should be modified to make it a valid comparison.

Children are born with their gender known, but their sexual orientation is not established till they reach their sexual age, and then they are not children, but adults.

So your question is about accepting newborns in one case, and adults in the other.

 

[Yossarian]

I think the question should be modified to make it a valid comparison.

Children are born with their gender known, but their sexual orientation is not established till they reach their sexual age, and then they are not children, but adults.

So your question is about accepting newborns in one case, and adults in the other.

No. The question (for LBGT coupls, as well as those who support LGBT rights) is similar to "It's be nice to have a boy" or "we'd love to have a girl", ie "We'd love our child to turn out as being LGBT".

 

[Yossarian]

^^ Just to add.

Gay's and their supporters claim being gay is genetic. Thus, if a gene were to be found, and the sexual orientation could be determined before the child was born (ie similar to the gender of the unborn), then the question remains as is.
"We'd love to have a boy", "we'd love to have a girl", " we'd love for our child to be gay..."?

 

[James]

The mere fact that "we discussed the 'what if they're gay' question (amongst many other 'what if' questions) and both agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" is telling in itself.

Did you discuss the "what if it's a boy (or girl) question" and "agreed that we weren't fussed either way and we would always accept our child for whoever they really were" in a similar fashion?

Yeah we did as you ask. We discussed absolutely everything. Deciding to have children is one of life's biggest decisions and so every aspect should be covered before a decision is made either way.

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah we did as you ask. We discussed absolutely everything. Deciding to have children is one of life's biggest decisions and so every aspect should be covered before a decision is made either way.

Fair enough. Even in jest, or when seeing a friends child playing, it's not unusual for someone to say "yeah, I'd like a boy" (or girl), without in any way implying that if the child was of the opposite sex, he/she would not be welcome or treated/loved any differently. If I may ask, did you or your partner ever make such a remark, even jokingly?
After our son was born, my wife did say she'd like to have a girl next. Hence the gist of the OP and my subsequent posts vis-a-vis straight versus gay (although only being determined as such when adult) in a similar vein.

 

[James]

Fair enough. Even in jest, or when seeing a friends child playing, it's not unusual for someone to say "yeah, I'd like a boy" (or girl), without in any way implying that if the child was of the opposite sex, he/she would not be welcome or treated/loved any differently. If I may ask, did you or your partner ever make such a remark, even jokingly?
After our son was born, my wife did say she'd like to have a girl next. Hence the gist of the OP and my subsequent posts vis-a-vis straight versus gay (although only being determined as such when adult) in a similar vein.

I think what we agreed on, usually through the more jokey discussions, is that we would both love a boy (her in particular) but would be equally delighted with a girl. I've always thought that one would love one's own child however they turned out, maybe a naive view but I can't see my view changing any time soon.

 

[Yossarian]

I think what we agreed on, usually through the more jokey discussions, is that we would both love a boy (her in particular) but would be equally delighted with a girl. I've always thought that one would love one's own child however they turned out, maybe a naive view but I can't see my view changing any time soon.

And that is the EXACT point of the thread and the OP, but replacing the gender with sexual orientation in the question. Obviously, as per the thread title, the question only applies to LGBT's or those who support LGBT rights.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Parents remove daughter from school after book shows men in bondage

Will and Maria Taylor, of Hull, East Yorkshire, were horrified when they spotted images of men in 'leather bondage gear' and trans 'top-surgery' scars in the pages of Grandad's Pride.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now targeting young pre school children.

 

[Technics 1210]

Parents remove daughter from school after book shows men in bondage

Will and Maria Taylor, of Hull, East Yorkshire, were horrified when they spotted images of men in 'leather bondage gear' and trans 'top-surgery' scars in the pages of Grandad's Pride.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now targeting young pre school children.

Where are the liberals now, defending this vile agenda?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Where are the liberals now, defending this vile agenda?

The Agenda is real and very disturbing. Children at this age have no idea of intimacy or relationships. The aim is to brainwash them to interact with old men/women with such a lifestyle and feel its ok.

Christians and Muslims need to unite to tackle this henious ideology. The liberals think they are more cilivilsed.

 

[Technics 1210]

The Agenda is real and very disturbing. Children at this age have no idea of intimacy or relationships. The aim is to brainwash them to interact with old men/women with such a lifestyle and feel its ok.

Christians and Muslims need to unite to tackle this henious ideology. The liberals think they are more cilivilsed.

The good news is that Christians and Muslims are uniting in a cause albeit subtly. I am reading more and more stories of how Christian and Muslim parents are putting their children's school to the sword.