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China-India standoff and border tension

Harsh but true


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overestimation of its own power and underestimation of opponents resilience & ability to respond is the crux of Indian foreign & security policy. <br><br>It's the Bollywood effect - that doesn't work well in practice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaChinaFaceOff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaChinaFaceOff</a></p>— Hussain Nadim (@HNadim87) <a href="https://twitter.com/HNadim87/status/1272808591037288450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Look at India’s trade deficit with China. Why would China want to lose all that business over land which doesn’t have a whole lot of value to it.

All China will do is give India a bloody nose and show who’s the hegemon (which they’ve already done over the past few weeks). China will keep on occupying some land indefinitely, both sides will lose some of its soldiers but then present it as victory to their population and move on. What happened today is terrible obv but I think from India’s perspective what is worse is that China has essentially annexed what India considers its land for a few weeks now but no one in India is talking about it as the main issue.
Exactly. I have been to Ladakh and most of the land there is barren and inhospitable. Hence, China aint gaining much other than mental victory over Indians.
This is what Trade could have achieved between India and Pakistan. If both Indian and Pakistani bigshots had business interests in each others country, we wouldn’t have fought all these wars and wasted the money.
 
Harsh but true


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overestimation of its own power and underestimation of opponents resilience & ability to respond is the crux of Indian foreign & security policy. <br><br>It's the Bollywood effect - that doesn't work well in practice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaChinaFaceOff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaChinaFaceOff</a></p>— Hussain Nadim (@HNadim87) <a href="https://twitter.com/HNadim87/status/1272808591037288450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Thats what happens when you elect 56 inch right-wing idiots to power.
 
Can you tell me why this govt received the biggest victory in 2019 even though a hugh majority of indians feel detached.
I know you will reply with quotes and hyperboles instead of fact but still.

Bhaijaan its high time you leave your well and walk out, see what other indians feel not just your liberal crew.

Don't get too overexcited lol. BJP won because of feku's jumlebaazi, Pakistan, fake surgical strikes, low IQ of bhakhts and lack of any other option. All of this doesn't mean BJP is the best and all indians should line up to kiss the feet of Modi Ji. :inti
 
Harsh but true


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overestimation of its own power and underestimation of opponents resilience & ability to respond is the crux of Indian foreign & security policy. <br><br>It's the Bollywood effect - that doesn't work well in practice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaChinaFaceOff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaChinaFaceOff</a></p>— Hussain Nadim (@HNadim87) <a href="https://twitter.com/HNadim87/status/1272808591037288450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Are you saying India should just keep giving away Land to China everytime because China is stronger?
 
So Twitter King Modi still hasn’t said a word about this?

He literally tweets about every other random thing under the sky whether it’s cricketers wedding or death of a Bollywood actor or victory of an Indian sports team
 
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Harsh but true


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overestimation of its own power and underestimation of opponents resilience & ability to respond is the crux of Indian foreign & security policy. <br><br>It's the Bollywood effect - that doesn't work well in practice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaChinaFaceOff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaChinaFaceOff</a></p>— Hussain Nadim (@HNadim87) <a href="https://twitter.com/HNadim87/status/1272808591037288450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So just sit hand in hand when a foreign military is occupying your land ?

Maybe Pakistanis would be okay with something like that, but Indians ? Not so much.
 
So Twitter King Modi still hasn’t said a word about this?

He literally tweets about every other random thing under the sky whether it’s cricketers wedding or death of a Bollywood actor or victory of an Indian sports team

Way too much irony.
 
Kashmir clash: 20 Indian troops killed in fighting with Chinese forces

At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region, Indian officials say.

The incident follows rising tensions, and is the first deadly clash in the border area in at least 45 years.

The Indian army initially said three of its soldiers had been killed, adding that both sides suffered casualties.

But later on Tuesday, officials a number of critically injured soldiers had died of their wounds.

India's external affairs ministry accused China of breaking an agreement struck the previous week to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley.

According to the Indian statement, "a violent face-off happened as a result of an attempt by the Chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo there".

China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India in turn of crossing the border onto the Chinese side.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.

Local media outlets reported that the Indian soldiers had been "beaten to death" but there was no confirmation from the military. China's Global Times newspaper reported that "solemn representations" had been made with India over the incident.

The LAC is in reality poorly demarcated. The presence of rivers, lakes and snowcaps means the line can shift. The soldiers either side - representing two of the world's largest armies - come face to face at many points.

Both sides insist no bullet has been fired in four decades, and the Indian army said on Tuesday that "no shots were fired" in this latest skirmish.

There have been tense confrontations between the two nuclear powers along the border in recent weeks.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into Ladakh's Galwan valley and says China occupies 38,000sq km (14,700sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

The two countries have fought only one war so far, in 1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

In May, dozens of Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows in a clash on the border in the north-eastern state of Sikkim. And in 2017, the two countries clashed in the region after China tried to extend a border road through a disputed plateau.

There are several reasons why tensions are rising now - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

India has built a new road in what experts say is the most remote and vulnerable area along the LAC in Ladakh. And India's decision to ramp up infrastructure seems to have infuriated Beijing.

The road could boost Delhi's capability to move men and materiel rapidly in case of a conflict.

India also disputes part of Kashmir - an ethnically diverse Himalayan region covering about 140,000sq km - with Pakistan.

Over the past week, Indian media have been reporting that troops from both sides had been gradually moving back from their stand-off positions, and that efforts were under way to de-escalate the tensions. So it will come as a surprise to many to hear of a violent clash in which three Indian soldiers were killed.

The last time the two sides exchanged any gunfire along the border was 1975, when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

The details of the latest skirmish, and the emergency measures being taken to defuse it, are still unclear.

Whatever the result, the latest incident is likely to trigger a fresh wave of anti-China sentiments in India.

It will also present daunting foreign policy and security challenges to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his government, which is struggling to contain a surge of Covid-19 infections and revive an economy which looks headed for recession.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-53061476?__twitter_impression=true
 
Way too much irony.

What’s the irony? Or do you think Trump is #1 and Modi #2? :))

And if you’re competing with me then thanks for equating a poster on PP with PM of India lol
 
Indian intercepts reveal that Chinese side suffered 43 casualties including dead and seriously injured in face-off in the Galwan valley: Sources confirm to ANI

Here they come. Same like Balakot bombing. They will now claim Chinese are hiding dead bodies to avoid embarrassment.
 
Here they come. Same like Balakot bombing. They will now claim Chinese are hiding dead bodies to avoid embarrassment.

Balakot the 350 bodies disappeared into thin air and there were no funerals or final rites. Interestingly there were no injuries either since hospitals of the area had no extra traffic :)) and no independent analyst or non-indian analyst was able to find proof through satellite images either. That’s how well everything was hidden :))
 
So just sit hand in hand when a foreign military is occupying your land ?

Maybe Pakistanis would be okay with something like that, but Indians ? Not so much.

Another jumlebaaz here. So what is stopping us from getting back Pakistani side of Kashmir and merging it with Indian side of Kashmir?

Problem with guys like you and most of the bhakhts is you are all talk no action. I have heard bhakhts saying that they are ready to serve Indian army so I hope you and your joshila bhakht army will be deployed at Indo China border with your mobile phones soon. More than here we need you there bhakhts. :inti
 
20 Indian soldiers including the commanding officer of an infantry battalion were killed on Monday evening in a clash with Chinese troops in eastern Ladakh’s Galwan valley where soldiers of the two countries have been locked in a tense stand-off for 40 days, people familiar with the development told Hindustan Times.

In its initial statement early on Tuesday, the army had announced that an officer and two soldiers had been killed in action. By evening, an update by the army said 17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty at the stand off location and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high-altitude terrain had succumbed to injuries.

The army statement issued on Tuesday evening also said the Indian and Chinese troops at the Galwan area where they had earlier clashed “ have disengaged”.

The Chinese army also suffered casualties in the face-off but there was no immediate confirmation of the numbers.

The army statement came hours after the external affairs ministry rebutted the Chinese accusations that blamed Indian soldiers for provoking the clash. External affairs ministry spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said Monday evening’s violent face-off took place in Galwan valley where the Chinese side “departed from the consensus to respect the LAC (Line of Actual Control)” and attempted to “unilaterally change the status quo”.

The external ministry ministry did not elaborate how the Chinese troops had tried to alter the status quo. Officials later said it could be a reference to an observation post set up by the Chinese troops on the Indian side of the LAC that was removed by Indian soldiers.

These are the first Indian casualties in a border skirmish with the People’s Liberation Army since October 1975 when Chinese troops ambushed an Indian patrol in Arunachal Pradesh’s Tulung La sector and shot four soldiers dead.

However, no shots were fired this time.

Hindustan Times has learnt rival soldiers exchanged blows, threw stones at each other and Chinese troops even attacked Indian soldiers with rods and nail-studded clubs during the brawl that went on for over six hours. However, this wasn’t the first time the two armies engaged in fisticuffs or used stones and rods to attack each other in the area.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...la-official/story-WibnYn8pOvhNomLVoUIizM.html
 
Another jumlebaaz here. So what is stopping us from getting back Pakistani side of Kashmir and merging it with Indian side of Kashmir?

Problem with guys like you and most of the bhakhts is you are all talk no action. I have heard bhakhts saying that they are ready to serve Indian army so I hope you and your joshila bhakht army will be deployed at Indo China border with your mobile phones soon. More than here we need you there bhakhts. :inti

Colonel Joshila is nowhere to be seen today

Brigadier Mamoon hasn’t come to the rescue either.
 
So just sit hand in hand when a foreign military is occupying your land ?

Maybe Pakistanis would be okay with something like that, but Indians ? Not so much.

Using Pakistan as an example doesn’t even make sense. According to you government isn’t Pakistan currently occupying Indian Land and have been doing it for 70 years?
 
43 Chinese casualties. Just like 350 dead in Balakot, shooting F-16. The only casualties last February were those in their own chopper they shot down in panic.
 
So till 3 Indian casualties were confirmed, 5 Indian soldiers had died as per Indian sources. But now that Indian count has gone upto 20; the Chinese count has proportionally gone up too? It’s not a game lol
 
Using Pakistan as an example doesn’t even make sense. According to you government isn’t Pakistan currently occupying Indian Land and have been doing it for 70 years?

Checkmate
 
Modi should be blamed for this fiasco, calling Xi and making him sit on some dumb jhoola in Gujarat. Instead of allowing Tibetian protests, India banned them to appease Chinese big shots and now our soldiers have died.

We should had sponsored Tibetian protests around the world instead we curtailed it in India itself for China to come and sit on our heads.

Modi again will get no blame for this, saddening for the families of army who have to see the Jhoola pic of Modi and Xi.
 
Using Pakistan as an example doesn’t even make sense. According to you government isn’t Pakistan currently occupying Indian Land and have been doing it for 70 years?

According to the Pak govt, India are occupying their land. (J&k)

According to Chinese government, India are occupied their land. (Arunachal, Sikkim and Ladakh)

According to Russian government , Ukraine are occupying their land (Western Crimea).

You get my point.
 
Pakistani posters only trust Chinese sources and none of them have any death casualty info yet,so not sure why does it matter right now, wait till official confirmation from China then, maybe they will say they didn't kill any Indian soldier and you can believe them.
 
Here they come. Same like Balakot bombing. They will now claim Chinese are hiding dead bodies to avoid embarrassment.

That ANI is represented by a lady called Smita Prakash who is just another liar. She is another BJP chamchi sitting on TV giving certificates to who are nationals or anti-nationals. This whole ANI is basically linked with Indian army and will keep dishing up these numbers to try to satisfy the indian awaam.
 
So till 3 Indian casualties were confirmed, 5 Indian soldiers had died as per Indian sources. But now that Indian count has gone upto 20; the Chinese count has proportionally gone up too? It’s not a game lol

You do realise that people can be alive and then succumb to injuries later right ? .

It's just futile arguing this now when China themselves made it clear that they won't state their casualties. Any level headed guy would have go the idea by now.
 
Pakistani posters only trust Chinese sources and none of them have any death casualty info yet,so not sure why does it matter right now, wait till official confirmation from China then, maybe they will say they didn't kill any Indian soldier and you can believe them.

No one is saying they trust chinese sources. I know this is a hurtful day but don’t lose sight of what’s being said.

The simple fact is that there is no reason to trust indian sources as they have a recent history of lying. Whether it is the 300+ dead terrorists story or the shot down F-16 story; they have all been emphatically debunked by every credible neutral and western source. So there is no reason to take indian sources at face value here either.

Besides isn’t it odd to you that by indian sources count; the toll is always higher for Chinese. When it was 3 for India; it was 5 for China. When it’s 20 for India; all of a sudden it went up for China. It was similar in Pulwama and terrorists count. The symmetry is beautiful.

Anyways it’s not just Pakistanis. Even western analysts have debunked indian claims in these matters in recent years.
 
That ANI is represented by a lady called Smita Prakash who is just another liar. She is another BJP chamchi sitting on TV giving certificates to who are nationals or anti-nationals. This whole ANI is basically linked with Indian army and will keep dishing up these numbers to try to satisfy the indian awaam.

You trust Chinese right? They have not informed about any casualty yet so its 0 as far as Pakistanis are considered wait for the Chinese source.
 
Indian army says 20 soldiers killed in border clash with China

At least 20 Indian soldiers have been killed in a violent face-off with Chinese forces on the disputed border, the Indian army has said, in a major escalation of a weeks-long standoff in the western Himalayas.

In a statement, the army said on Tuesday that 17 "critically injured" Indian troops succumbed to their wounds, in addition to an officer and two soldiers who had died earlier.

The troops died "in the line of duty at the stand-off location and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain ... taking the total that were killed in action to 20," the statement said.

Indian and Chinese troops have disengaged in the areas where the clashes took place, the statement said, adding that India is firmly committed to “protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the nation”.

The incident marks the deadliest clash between the nuclear-armed neighbours in decades.
 
The only one point agenda of the indian media is to protect modi and make up stories without factual evidence to make modi look good. They are going as far as to malign their own army


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch how Sweta Singh of Aaj Tak gives clean chit to Modi and blames the Indian Army!<br><br>She is being loyal to her paymasters and proving that for her, Modi's image is more important than India<br><br>How much more shameless can the Indian media get?<a href="https://t.co/9y4zKKtZSl">pic.twitter.com/9y4zKKtZSl</a></p>— Srivatsa (@srivatsayb) <a href="https://twitter.com/srivatsayb/status/1272950792467542016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
To be honest, Modi must pay and answer. 20 (possibly more) Indian soldiers killed by the Chinese and we have Indians arguing with Pakistanis, whilst Pakistanis celebrating the demise. This is what we have come to as two nations.

Do you know what the Indians who ask these questions are called? Anti-nationals. They are not even allowed to question the gov. without getting this stamp and then they keep crying about democracy.
 
Hindustan Times has learnt rival soldiers exchanged blows, threw stones at each other and Chinese troops even attacked Indian soldiers with rods and nail-studded clubs during the brawl that went on for over six hours. However, this wasn’t the first time the two armies engaged in fisticuffs or used stones and rods to attack each other in the area.

So, these 20 Indian army soldiers (Indian news source*) died in physical hand to hand combat?
 
You trust Chinese right? They have not informed about any casualty yet so its 0 as far as Pakistanis are considered wait for the Chinese source.

No, I don't trust Chinese. They must have many deaths too. I am only questioning this ANI network who dishes out a random number out of the blue. Where did they get this information about 43 from? Has Indian army told them that? Has Chinese said anything on that?
 
The only one point agenda of the indian media is to protect modi and make up stories without factual evidence to make modi look good. They are going as far as to malign their own army


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch how Sweta Singh of Aaj Tak gives clean chit to Modi and blames the Indian Army!<br><br>She is being loyal to her paymasters and proving that for her, Modi's image is more important than India<br><br>How much more shameless can the Indian media get?<a href="https://t.co/9y4zKKtZSl">pic.twitter.com/9y4zKKtZSl</a></p>— Srivatsa (@srivatsayb) <a href="https://twitter.com/srivatsayb/status/1272950792467542016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What a pathetic individual. I hate Indian army and its atrocities in IOKashmir but this is disrespectful to the dead soldiers' families, what an awful thing to say.
 
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Ironic that Pakistanis will agree on the Indian casualty number from Indian media but deny Chinese casualties from the same. How does that work?

Anyways. There has been acknowledgment of Chinese casualties from verified Chinese mouthpieces as well

https://twitter.com/huxijin_gt/status/1272818023225626624?s=21

https://twitter.com/wenwenwang1127/status/1272807264911372288?s=21

Sir, your Indians "news" channels are a mockery of logic and common sense. If you don't see that then I guess live in your delusional world.
 
No one is saying they trust chinese sources. I know this is a hurtful day but don’t lose sight of what’s being said.

The simple fact is that there is no reason to trust indian sources as they have a recent history of lying. Whether it is the 300+ dead terrorists story or the shot down F-16 story; they have all been emphatically debunked by every credible neutral and western source. So there is no reason to take indian sources at face value here either.

Besides isn’t it odd to you that by indian sources count; the toll is always higher for Chinese. When it was 3 for India; it was 5 for China. When it’s 20 for India; all of a sudden it went up for China. It was similar in Pulwama and terrorists count. The symmetry is beautiful.

Anyways it’s not just Pakistanis. Even western analysts have debunked indian claims in these matters in recent years.

I already said I don't trust ANI. My point is if Indian sources cannot be quoted completely for example Indian Express etc then Indian casualty numbers can also not be quoted and it's not about hurt, I'm from an army family my paternal and maternal grandfathers have served in the Indian Army and one even retired with them.
 
Ironic that Pakistanis will agree on the Indian casualty number from Indian media but deny Chinese casualties from the same. How does that work?

Anyways. There has been acknowledgment of Chinese casualties from verified Chinese mouthpieces as well

https://twitter.com/huxijin_gt/status/1272818023225626624?s=21

https://twitter.com/wenwenwang1127/status/1272807264911372288?s=21

Indjan casualty number is not from indian media. It’s from indian army. For its own numbers it won’t artificially inflate them now would it? Seriously are you even following or just intent on making yourself look stupid to score a few points?
 
I already said I don't trust ANI. My point is if Indian sources cannot be quoted completely for example Indian Express etc then Indian casualty numbers can also not be quoted and it's not about hurt, I'm from an army family my paternal and maternal grandfathers have served in the Indian Army and one even retired with them.

People here aren’t putting stock in indian media numbers. They are indian army numbers and indian media is just quoting them. So there is a source there. For the Chinese numbers there is literally no source.
 
No, I don't trust Chinese. They must have many deaths too. I am only questioning this ANI network who dishes out a random number out of the blue. Where did they get this information about 43 from? Has Indian army told them that? Has Chinese said anything on that?

Fair, ANI is garbage.
 
20 dead soldiers is just shocking and that too over a petty squabble about where the boundaries lie on a piece of barren land. Somebody must pay for this.
 
Where is Shri Mamoon Sharif, his country is getting a well deserved painta. It would be nice to get his input.
 
Unnecessary escalation without command of higher officials.

Indian army has already given a statement about casualty figures. So China and their garbage CCP just like not revealing the figures of covid deaths are doing the same. This shows how much they value their soldiers who are just pawns to them. But irony is that’s alright to people here.
internally in China they just hate CCP but without democracy they are just slaves in their own country. China will start losing respect everywhere

These are just to name a few, HongKong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, usa, uk where some sort of army or trade conflicts are happening
 
There is one Indian friend missing in this thread right now who used to leave no chance against Pakistan but right now he is missing. Need not to mention his name.
 
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+The point where clashes happened.

+It was a hand to hand brawl. So far, there is no mention of firearms used (in major news sources).
 
Unnecessary escalation without command of higher officials.

Indian army has already given a statement about casualty figures. So China and their garbage CCP just like not revealing the figures of covid deaths are doing the same. This shows how much they value their soldiers who are just pawns to them. But irony is that’s alright to people here.
internally in China they just hate CCP but without democracy they are just slaves in their own country. China will start losing respect everywhere

These are just to name a few, HongKong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, usa, uk where some sort of army or trade conflicts are happening

What happen when your Abhinandan was found in Pakistan and the Indian army and govt denied it. Was this not disrespectful to Abhinandan? From that episode I learnt that Indian govt, army and media is full of thrash and liars.
 
Where is Shri Mamoon Sharif, his country is getting a well deserved painta. It would be nice to get his input.

He doesn't comment on Ind he told us last year as he was angry with IK for interfering in non PK matters or has he started to do so again.
 
Ironic that Pakistanis will agree on the Indian casualty number from Indian media but deny Chinese casualties from the same. How does that work?

Anyways. There has been acknowledgment of Chinese casualties from verified Chinese mouthpieces as well

https://twitter.com/huxijin_gt/status/1272818023225626624?s=21

https://twitter.com/wenwenwang1127/status/1272807264911372288?s=21

It's not just Pakistanis though is it? Even international media is reporting the 20 killed figure but no one is reporting anything about 43 PLA soldiers being killed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING; : <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ANI</a> claims based on Chinese intercepts 43 Chinese soldiers killed in clashes. But no confirmation from Chinese side of their number of casualties. What we can confirm a) 20 Indian soldiers dead b) it was an ambush c) our soldiers fought back but were outnumbered.</p>— Rajdeep Sardesai (@sardesairajdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/status/1272932926078902272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even Indian sources are saying that the Chinese number is unconfirmed and merely a rumor at this point .

IMO there obviously have been PLA casualties but people have a hard time to believing the high number being propagated by India because the same Indian sources claimed 300 were killed in Balakot and who know how many F-16s were shot down.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chinese side didn’t release number of PLA casualties in clash with Indian soldiers. My understanding is the Chinese side doesn’t want people of the two countries to compare the casualties number so to avoid stoking public mood. This is goodwill from Beijing.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272901941140561924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

you keep repeating this crap of "public mood" ..... its his own opinion, not chinese govt .... Lol .....
 
It's not just Pakistanis though is it? Even international media is reporting the 20 killed figure but no one is reporting anything about 43 PLA soldiers being killed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING; : <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ANI</a> claims based on Chinese intercepts 43 Chinese soldiers killed in clashes. But no confirmation from Chinese side of their number of casualties. What we can confirm a) 20 Indian soldiers dead b) it was an ambush c) our soldiers fought back but were outnumbered.</p>— Rajdeep Sardesai (@sardesairajdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/status/1272932926078902272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even Indian sources are saying that the Chinese number is unconfirmed and merely a rumor at this point .

IMO there obviously have been PLA casualties but people have a hard time to believing the high number being propagated by India because the same Indian sources claimed 300 were killed in Balakot and who know how many F-16s were shot down.

The 43 number is thrown out just to appease the online Bhakts. They’re already all over social media ‘we killed 43 of theirs’ because at the end of the day they don’t really care for lives of indian soldiers. They just care that chinese deaths are more than theirs so they can be happy and think ‘we’re powerful too.’ This is why when the indian figure was 3, the Chinese figure was 5. The indian establishment and media also knows how gullible their population is so will resort to this trick to get the pressure of themselves even if the ground situation is totally different.

They did the same after Pulwama where they claimed to have killed 300 terrorists. Then after Abhinandan they claimed to have brought down multiple F-16s. None of these claims were verified by independent analysts and were largely debunked but the indian establishment achieved what they wanted (is fooling the population) even if globally no credence is given to such claims.

China may have less than 43 deaths or more than 43 deaths. We may never know nor are they likely to tell. However for India what matters in the media narrative they can build for their population even if the truth is different where China has essentially annexed what India considers its land.
 
[MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION]


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chinese side didn’t release number of PLA casualties in clash with Indian soldiers. My understanding is the Chinese side doesn’t want people of the two countries to compare the casualties number so to avoid stoking public mood. This is goodwill from Beijing.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272901941140561924?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

you keep repeating this crap of "public mood" ..... its his own opinion, not chinese govt .... Lol .....

Being the primary mouthpiece of the CCP , his words hold more weight than that of a random nobody on an internet forum. I bet if had tweeted "No casualties on our side", you lot would have quoted him left, right and centre. But now that his tweet doesn't sooth your egos, it's "his opinion". Lol.

Your mental gymnastics have come a full circle today. :)
 
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Being the primary mouthpiece of the CCP , his words hold more weight than that of a random nobody on an internet forum. I bet if had tweeted "No casualties on our side", you lot would have quoted him left, right and centre. But now that his tweet doesn't sooth your egos, it's "his opinion". Lol.

Your mental gymnastics have come a full circle today. :)

Who is this Hu? :inti
 
Being the primary mouthpiece of the CCP , his words hold more weight than that of a random nobody on an internet forum. I bet if had tweeted "No casualties on our side", you lot would have quoted him left, right and centre. But now that his tweet doesn't sooth your egos, it's "his opinion". Lol.

Your mental gymnastics have come a full circle today. :)

again, potato-patato . dont try to act like dr. spin becoz you arent one .... that honors only goes to joshila sahab ..... somehow trying to avoid me from 27 feb ..... :)
 
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The 43 number is thrown out just to appease the online Bhakts. They’re already all over social media ‘we killed 43 of theirs’ because at the end of the day they don’t really care for lives of indian soldiers. They just care that chinese deaths are more than theirs so they can be happy and think ‘we’re powerful too.’ This is why when the indian figure was 3, the Chinese figure was 5. The indian establishment and media also knows how gullible their population is so will resort to this trick to get the pressure of themselves even if the ground situation is totally different.

They did the same after Pulwama where they claimed to have killed 300 terrorists. Then after Abhinandan they claimed to have brought down multiple F-16s. None of these claims were verified by independent analysts and were largely debunked but the indian establishment achieved what they wanted (is fooling the population) even if globally no credence is given to such claims.

China may have less than 43 deaths or more than 43 deaths. We may never know nor are they likely to tell. However for India what matters in the media narrative they can build for their population even if the truth is different where China has essentially annexed what India considers its land.

I saw those comments. It's kind of sad they are treating the lives of their soldiers as some sort of cricket match. There are completely ok with with their soldiers being killed as long as the count was higher on the other side.


Also good point on the land, it seems majority of Indian media/people are overlooking the fact that reportedly PLA is now occupying a large of "Indian" territory.
 
Why are we fighting hand to hand? I am sure these chinese soldiers are pretty good at Martial Art and stuff.
 
Why are we fighting hand to hand? I am sure these chinese soldiers are pretty good at Martial Art and stuff.

Given the tiny physique of the chinese, I think India should do quite well in hand to hand combat especially if the squad was loaded with punjabis.
 
Why are we fighting hand to hand? I am sure these chinese soldiers are pretty good at Martial Art and stuff.

Killing a full grown human male by hand is a lot of work. Especially if it is a trained soldier who weighs almost same as you and is in the same age range.

From my speculation: the brawl started between 2 groups and one group overwhelmed, physical fight is exhausting, even for elite athletes a 5 minute round can be enough, then at some point the officers ordered their men to stop, both sides took back their injured but for some it was too cold/late.

Anyways, very painful last few minutes. Just imagine, beaten by fists/kicks, choked, crushed, bleeding and in a cold weather, lesser oxygen in the air at such a high attitude. Not sufficient medics for so many injured laying around in back of a truck or ground. Painful way to leave this world, indeed.
 
Pakistan is "closely monitoring" the deteriorating situation between India and China, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said Tuesday, after 20 of New Delhi's soldiers were killed in a violent face-off with Beijing's army earlier in the day.

Speaking on Geo News programme "Aaj Shahzeb Khanzada Kay Sath", Qureshi said the responsibility of the escalation at the disputed Ladakh region — at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China — lay squarely with India, which "should not have constructed roads" there.

The longstanding conflict between the two neighbouring nations has seen a war in 1962 and while India overstepped again earlier today, "China used existing mechanisms to resolve situation through talks and strategy".

"India continued on and tried to flex its muscles; it first got a visible beating and now 20 of its troops have been killed," the foreign minister said. That number, he warned, could rise as well, given the concerning situation.

Terming its behaviour as a hampering of strategic regional ties, he said India was martyring Kashmiris by firing across the Line of Control (LoC), has locked horns with China at the LAC, has started a conflict with Nepal, used the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 and upset Bangladesh by calling its citizens "termites", and has issues with Sri Lanka.

People were curious about India's foreign policy, he added, noting that the country "has become isolated".

Qureshi said India made the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) forum dysfunctional and there was no neighbouring country with which it had good relations.

"This is the play of Narendra Modi's Hindutva regime and it will face a befitting response," he noted.

In response to a question on whether there was higher or lower risk now of India launching a false-flag operation in a bid to divert attention from Kashmir and its own deteriorating economy, Qureshi said the danger was still there and that Pakistan had information that it plans to use diversionary tactics.

"There's a reason for it. See, the disorderly and unplanned lockdown it imposed damaged its economy and failed to control the spread of the coronavirus.

"Look at India's situation on June 1 and as of today; its conditions are worsening fast. They had to lift their lockdown, they face economic loss and couldn't sustain it, and the infection [of coronavirus] is rising too.

"At the same time, India is using diversionary tactics. The Opposition parties and minorities are both upset and then there's their treatment of Muslims," the foreign minister explained.

Qureshi revealed that he would "very soon" call a meeting of the foreign ministers of member states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation's (OIC) Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir "to talk to them and ask what is going on".

"I have also written letters to the United Nations Secretary General (UNSG) and the UN Security Council (UNSC) and now, today, international — and even Indian — media are criticising [the Modi government]", he said.

Moving towards a conflict ends up destabilising the entire region, the minister underscored, adding that even UNSG Antonio Guterres was appealing for a ceasefire in conflict zones after the coronavirus pandemic took over the world and posed an unprecedented challenge.

"What is Pakistan doing? Peace and reconciliation on the western border with Afghanistan and asking all intra-Afghan factions to initiate a dialogue to move towards peace.

"What is India doing? Despite COVID-19, its aggression and brutality in Kashmir continues, there's no reduction in the restrictions, and now the China conflict," Qureshi said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/293488-pakistan-closely-monitoring-indias-situation-with-china-qureshi
 
Why Indian media blaming Army for this, but not their Gov? It's a shame. Army jawans lost their lives, and Indian media blaming Army for this.
 
Interestingly not much coverage in Pakistan media. Coronavirus is still main issue
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For so long we have focused on Pakistan as our main threat, when really Pakistan is a protectorate of China, which has always been India's most lethal and dangerous adversary. The faux romanticism built around not a single bullet fired has died permanently today I hope <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ladakh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ladakh</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1272817039191584769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
No offence to Indians but this is decades of rhetoric coming from Right Wing Parties.

It's easy to Bully weaker/poorer nations like Pakistan, Kashmir, Nepal etc. and pressure Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or even it's own minorities.

This slap in the face will be an unfortunate but unwelcome news to those Indians who have bravely called out Modi's/Shah's BJP populism and hatred.

Their silence is deafening.

I highly doubt China will look to escalate, and India should jump at the chance to walk away.
 
Here is some analysis I found interesting:


I believe the Indian government will continue to push the proverbial envelope for the following reasons:

1.) Distract the domestic audience from the worsening economic, social situation in India

2.) Pressure concessions from Western powers by positioning itself as doing the West’s bidding, concessions ranging economic, diplomatic and military intelligence and hardware.

3.) Demonstrate to the World they are a power and they are undeterred by provocations, as if they back down now, they will have shown not only to the Chinese, but to their neighbours and the world that they don’t have the capacity or will to confront China.

India is in a very very bad place right now. It has faced a string geopolitical defeats in Afghanistan, Nepal, Pakistan in 2019 and now China.

tdot22
 
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No offence to Indians but this is decades of rhetoric coming from Right Wing Parties.

It's easy to Bully weaker/poorer nations like Pakistan, Kashmir, Nepal etc. and pressure Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or even it's own minorities.

This slap in the face will be an unfortunate but unwelcome news to those Indians who have bravely called out Modi's/Shah's BJP populism and hatred.

Their silence is deafening.

I highly doubt China will look to escalate, and India should jump at the chance to walk away.

China knows how sensitive Indian public is. They will pressurize Indian government into doing something stupid against China now.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you read everything and comment on everything

Where are you now?
 
It's not just Pakistanis though is it? Even international media is reporting the 20 killed figure but no one is reporting anything about 43 PLA soldiers being killed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING; : <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ANI</a> claims based on Chinese intercepts 43 Chinese soldiers killed in clashes. But no confirmation from Chinese side of their number of casualties. What we can confirm a) 20 Indian soldiers dead b) it was an ambush c) our soldiers fought back but were outnumbered.</p>— Rajdeep Sardesai (@sardesairajdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/status/1272932926078902272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even Indian sources are saying that the Chinese number is unconfirmed and merely a rumor at this point .

IMO there obviously have been PLA casualties but people have a hard time to believing the high number being propagated by India because the same Indian sources claimed 300 were killed in Balakot and who know how many F-16s were shot down.

ANI is the same network that claimed 300 terrorist killed in Balakot. I don't trust a single such news channel in india.

What do sane people follow or trust in India? I know bakhts follow such channels but there got to be reasonable people in India.
 
China knows how sensitive Indian public is. They will pressurize Indian government into doing something stupid against China now.

:)) you seem to be an expert on China’s opinions about India and Indian public.

Indian government has a lot more accountability and responsibility than to make decisions to appease some keyboard warriors on both sides of the spectrum.
 
ANI is the same network that claimed 300 terrorist killed in Balakot. I don't trust a single such news channel in india.

What do sane people follow or trust in India? I know bakhts follow such channels but there got to be reasonable people in India.

TV channels are mostly waste, and not just in India. Print and digital sources that are decent IMO.

The Hindu
Caravan
Frontline
The Wire
Scroll
The Quint
Telegraph India
EPW

There are a few more.
 
TV channels are mostly waste, and not just in India. Print and digital sources that are decent IMO.

The Hindu
Caravan
Frontline
The Wire
Scroll
The Quint
Telegraph India
EPW

There are a few more.

Newslaundary people are quite cool too.brother. Check their stuff especially this weekly newsance episode they do it always cracks me up.
 
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