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China-India standoff and border tension

Hate to admit it but with more information coming now it seems clear the 16 Bihar regiment got badly ambushed and got outnumbered 3:1 while the Chinese went on a killing spree.

Governments need to give clarity on the alleged fallen bodies in the river. How many of them fell how many have we recovered.

Silence from governmemt is only hinting at a huge set back. Death toll is supposed to grow as more information is revealed on missing/injured soldiers.
 
I really hope this escalation stops, our soldiers are losing lives just because that Tomato head Xi Jing Ping wants to increase nationalism to kill of the uprising in China.
Jeez I wonder which biggoted leader pulled the same stunt just a couple of months ago

Oh I remember it's the vegetarian butcher of muslims
 
Look no sane person actually likes China but if people hadn't died I would have been enjoying the humiliation of these POK, surgical strikes type dumb dumb Indian nationalists
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will be breaking important news on <a href="https://twitter.com/IndiaToday?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndiaToday</a> at 12:30 pm. Join in if you want to know what’s going on along the India-China border. <a href="https://t.co/m456uIUsdG">https://t.co/m456uIUsdG</a></p>— Rahul Kanwal (@rahulkanwal) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal/status/1273141106562215940?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hopefully some of our Indian posters can tune in and update us about the big breaking. Perhaps a new statement by Indian officials?

Why did i read barking instead of breaking ?
 
While Chinese state media has downplayed a deadly military confrontation with India in the Indian-administered Ladakh region, Indian newspapers called for a "steely resolve" over the killing of at least 20 soldiers.

Indian news agency ANI on Tuesday night claimed that 43 Chinese soldiers had died in Monday's clash, without giving further details. Chinese media did not reveal casualties on its side.

On Tuesday, the Indian army said 20 of its soldiers had been killed in a "violent face-off" along the Himalayan frontier, which resulted in "casualties on both sides". Four other Indian soldiers are reported to be in critical condition.

China's defence ministry confirmed late on Tuesday that there had been casualties, without giving a number, while its state media stayed relatively quiet on the skirmish, the most violent in decades.

Brawls erupt regularly between soldiers from the world's two most populous nations across their disputed 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) border - but none had proved fatal since 1975.

The latest fighting occurred in the precipitous, rocky terrain of the strategically important Galwan Valley, which lies between China's Tibet and India's Ladakh.

The soldiers threw punches and stones at each other, with Chinese troops allegedly attacking their Indian counterparts with rods and nail-studded clubs during the fight that lasted more than six hours, India's Hindustan Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Another leading Indian newspaper said the government should show "steely resolve" in its response to the worst clashes with the Chinese troops in decades.

"The provocation is grave - this is not the toll taken by an act of terror by a non-state actor, but a clash between two armies. Yet India must keep a clear and determined head. It needs to respond with calm deliberation and steely resolve," the Indian Express said in an editorial.

Former Indian army officer and defence analyst Ajai Shukla wrote in the Business Standard newspaper that although India-China border skirmishes are common, Monday's face-off was "a departure from the normal".

"First, the PLA had encroached into areas like Galwan that were traditionally peaceful. Second, they entered in unusually large numbers that were in the thousands," he wrote.

"This time PLA soldiers are digging defences, preparing bunkers and deployed artillery guns to the rear [albeit in their own territory] to support the intruders, said sources."

Shukla said the "timing of the Chinese aggression" seemed to be "part of a strategy to remind India of its vulnerabilities".

The Times of India daily was more belligerent, asking for a "push back" by India.

"Beijing can't kill our soldiers at the LAC and expect to benefit from our huge market," said its editorial, as it asked New Delhi to "denounce the revocation of Hong Kong's autonomy" and "criticise human rights violations in Tibet".

Indian news channels, most of whom are believed to support the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), also jumped in.

An anchor on Aaj Tak, a Hindi-language news channel, said the Indian army should be blamed for the incident, and not the federal government.

"The duty to patrol the borders is of the army and not the government," she said, inviting a barrage of criticism on Indian social media.

On the other side, the Chinese nationalist Global Times reported the number of deaths on the Indian side, but said China had not released information about casualties.

Meanwhile, state broadcaster CCTV and the Communist Party-owned People's Daily republished the Chinese military's official statement on social media, with no additional reports.

CCTV's widely watched daily Xinwen Lianbo evening news broadcast made no mention of the border confrontation on Tuesday.

The foreign ministry's official transcripts of its Tuesday press briefing redacted remarks from its spokesman about the clashes.

The Global Times said in an editorial that China did not disclose the death toll of the confrontation "to avoid comparing and preventing confrontational sentiments from escalating".

"China does not want to turn border issues with India into a confrontation," the editorial said, blaming India for "arrogance and recklessness".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...rted-deadly-ladakh-clash-200617041240570.html
 
A very Dangerous situation no doubt. Thoughts go out to all the families of all those who have passed on both sides.

After following this for a certain period it seems some things are pretty clear:

1) China is in the Galwan valley and will not budge. Hence you can quite easily say India has lost access to this area.

2) Indian soldiers have been redeployed from other parts of the border and would not be sufficiently acclimatised yet, would also not have the requisite preparedness

3) It has also become quite clear from yesterdays incident and the incident in Balakot that India's logistical capabilities, training and equipment leave a lot to be desired.

4) The logistical supply lines to Siachen are now under serious threat.

5) In the case of a major conflaguration over Kashmir, it is quite clear the PLA will use the issue to take all of the territory it claims in this area. Thus any Indian moves into Gilgit and AJK have now been eliminated

6) The peace and tranquility treaty is all but dead

7) China will begin to encroach further because they now know that the Indian army will not resist or does not have the full capability to resist

8) The US has clearly not supported India properly in this crisis. I would have expected something more concrete

9) India, while talking up its ability to fight a two front war has lost the ability to fight one in Kashmir and the northern sector.

10) Finally Pakistan should calculate its objectives and not make any rash moves as it may jeopardise the gains we have been given on a platter by the stupidity of the Modi regime.

I said this after the Balakot incident and will say it now, the Indian people are being taken for a ride by their military and govt. All of the money spent on their forces are going to waste and into the pockets of alot of corrupt people. These soldiers were clearly not trained that well, were underequipped, were lead badly to the point where a colonel lost his life. They were also put into a difficult position by senior commanders who should have realised the wider strategic implications of China in the Galwan valley.

Unfortunately India now has no military option in the North at this moment in time. They cant launsh a face saving operation, they cant move back into Galwan, there is a real prospect that Siachen could become untenable. It is a disaster that requires the resignation of Gen Rawat and the defence minister at the very least. Also requires a full review of the northern sector and its commanders.
 
A very Dangerous situation no doubt. Thoughts go out to all the families of all those who have passed on both sides.

After following this for a certain period it seems some things are pretty clear:

1) China is in the Galwan valley and will not budge. Hence you can quite easily say India has lost access to this area.

2) Indian soldiers have been redeployed from other parts of the border and would not be sufficiently acclimatised yet, would also not have the requisite preparedness

3) It has also become quite clear from yesterdays incident and the incident in Balakot that India's logistical capabilities, training and equipment leave a lot to be desired.

4) The logistical supply lines to Siachen are now under serious threat.

5) In the case of a major conflaguration over Kashmir, it is quite clear the PLA will use the issue to take all of the territory it claims in this area. Thus any Indian moves into Gilgit and AJK have now been eliminated

6) The peace and tranquility treaty is all but dead

7) China will begin to encroach further because they now know that the Indian army will not resist or does not have the full capability to resist

8) The US has clearly not supported India properly in this crisis. I would have expected something more concrete

9) India, while talking up its ability to fight a two front war has lost the ability to fight one in Kashmir and the northern sector.

10) Finally Pakistan should calculate its objectives and not make any rash moves as it may jeopardise the gains we have been given on a platter by the stupidity of the Modi regime.

I said this after the Balakot incident and will say it now, the Indian people are being taken for a ride by their military and govt. All of the money spent on their forces are going to waste and into the pockets of alot of corrupt people. These soldiers were clearly not trained that well, were underequipped, were lead badly to the point where a colonel lost his life. They were also put into a difficult position by senior commanders who should have realised the wider strategic implications of China in the Galwan valley.

Unfortunately India now has no military option in the North at this moment in time. They cant launsh a face saving operation, they cant move back into Galwan, there is a real prospect that Siachen could become untenable. It is a disaster that requires the resignation of Gen Rawat and the defence minister at the very least. Also requires a full review of the northern sector and its commanders.

An interesting post as always. My tax money is in tears as always too.
 
An interesting post as always. My tax money is in tears as always too.

i know the feeling. Everytime i see boris johnson on the screen i weep for my taxes. Too many poor illiterate people are being fooled by chest thumping imbeciles in many countries. The situation with China wasn't even a flashpoint. It has been mismanaged so badly that now we are in this hair trigger situation.
 
Indian intelligence agencies have asked the government to block or advise people to stop use of 52 mobile applications linked to China over concerns that these weren’t safe and ended up extracting a large amount of data outside India, people familiar with the development told Hindustan Times.

The list of applications sent by the security establishment to the government include video conferencing app Zoom, short-video app TikTok, and other utility and content apps such as UC browser, Xender, SHAREit and Clean-master.

A senior government official said the recommendation of the intelligence agencies had recently been supported by the National Security Council Secretariat, which felt these could be detrimental to India’s security.

“The discussions on the recommendations are continuing,” said an official, explaining that the parameters and the risks attached to each mobile app will have to be examined one by one.

ON THE RADAR OF INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES

TikTok, Vault-Hide, Vigo Video, Bigo Live, Weibo
WeChat, SHAREit, UC News, UC Browser
BeautyPlus, Xender, ClubFactory, Helo, LIKE
Kwai, ROMWE, SHEIN, NewsDog, Photo Wonder
APUS Browser, VivaVideo- QU Video Inc
Perfect Corp, CM Browser, Virus Cleaner (Hi Security Lab)
Mi Community, DU recorder, YouCam Makeup
Mi Store, 360 Security, DU Battery Saver, DU Browser
DU Cleaner, DU Privacy, Clean Master – Cheetah
CacheClear DU apps studio, Baidu Translate, Baidu Map
Wonder Camera, ES File Explorer, QQ International
QQ Launcher, QQ Security Centre, QQ Player, QQ Music
QQ Mail, QQ NewsFeed, WeSync, SelfieCity, Clash of Kings
Mail Master, Mi Video call-Xiaomi, Parallel Space

In April this year, the home ministry had issued an advisory on use of Zoom on the recommendation of the national cybersecurity agency – Computer Emergency Response Team of India (CERT-in). India wasn’t the first country to restrict use of Zoom within the government. Taiwan has banned government agencies from using Zoom, the German Foreign Ministry restricts its use of Zoom to emergency situations on personal computers while the United States Senate advises members to use other platforms. The company had responded to the home ministry advisory, insisting that it was serious about user security.

There have been calls for action against mobile apps that are perceived to be compromising security from time to time. And companies such as the hugely-popular video popular video-sharing app TikTok - owned and operated by Chinese internet company ByteDance - have issued denials.

But officials said there were inputs that many Android and IOS apps, either developed by Chinese developers or launched by companies with Chinese links, had the potential to be used as spyware or other malicious ware. There have been reports that security agencies had advised security personnel from using them in view of the “detrimental impact that this could have on data security.

Such concerns about backdoors in China-linked hardware or software have been frequently articulated by western security agencies too. One argument has been that China could use its access to degrade communications services in case of conflict.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...mplete-list/story-B50Slf39aSnVOrCcS92l1N.html
 
PM Modi says India want peace but if provoked they will hit back strongly.

So that's it then?

China have done what it wanted, now China will calm down, so India will not do anything. So no "Balakot" repeat this time?
 
Prime Minister Narendra Modi will hold an all-party meeting on Friday to discuss the situation on the country’s border with China after 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a face-off with Chinese troops along the undefined Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, his office said on Wednesday.

Twenty Indian Army soldiers, including a commanding officer, were killed on Monday after over six hours of “violent face-off” with troops of China’s People’s Liberation Army along the undefined Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Galwan Valley of eastern Ladakh.

Four Indian soldiers are in critical condition after the face-off, news agency ANI reported quoting sources.

“In order to discuss the situation in the India-China border areas, Prime Minister [MENTION=140582]Naren[/MENTION]dramodi has called for an all-party meeting at 5 PM on 19th June. Presidents of various political parties would take part in this virtual meeting,” the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) tweeted.

The scrap came after tensions between India and China first flared up in early May following clashes between Indian and Chinese troops in the Sikkim and Ladakh sectors of the LAC. Both the sides have held a series of talks to resolve the six-week-long confrontation.

Indian Army officials claimed 43 Chinese were killed or seriously injured, citing radio intercepts and other intelligence. HT couldn’t independently verify this.

In first comments from the Centre, defence minister Rajnath Singh on Wednesday condoled the death of the 20 soldiers in Galwan Valley.

“The loss of soldiers in Galwan is deeply disturbing and painful. Our soldiers displayed exemplary courage and valour in the line of duty and sacrificed their lives in the highest traditions of the Indian Army,” Singh tweeted.

“The Nation will never forget their bravery and sacrifice. My heart goes out to the families of the fallen soldiers. The nation stand shoulder to shoulder with them in this difficult hour. We are proud of the bravery and courage of India’s bravehearts,” the minister added.

The Congress party, including its senior leader Rahul Gandhi, have questioned the Prime Minister’s silence over the Chinese aggression.

Rahul Gandhi on Wednesday demanded to know about the violent confrontation between Indian and Chinese armies.

The Indian Army has said in a statement that the troops have disengaged since Monday’s confrontation.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...r-situation/story-VVZqgEIqgKyKbCDDcUheXM.html
 
PM Modi says India want peace but if provoked they will hit back strongly.

So that's it then?

China have done what it wanted, now China will calm down, so India will not do anything. So no "Balakot" repeat this time?

If China doesn't leave the Galwan valley and go back to the pre April 2020 status quo, they will get what they wanted.

Yesterday's events were unfortunate and even the Chinese suffered heavy casualties. I doubt that's something that China wanted.
 
If China doesn't leave the Galwan valley and go back to the pre April 2020 status quo, they will get what they wanted.

Yesterday's events were unfortunate and even the Chinese suffered heavy casualties. I doubt that's something that China wanted.
You continue with these embarrassing posts.

If they didn’t want it, why would they initiate the assault in the first place? They are not going anywhere, why don’t you go and give them what they wanted if you are so sure about it?
 
PM Modi says India want peace but if provoked they will hit back strongly.

So that's it then?

China have done what it wanted, now China will calm down, so India will not do anything. So no "Balakot" repeat this time?

Northern sector is done and dusted. The PLA is there in force and the Indians cant really do anything. The Chinese had asked the indians to initiate a trilateral dialogue with Chine india and pakistan in oct 2019 that was rejected by India. They will probably try to get India to accept this again. India doesnt really have a military option at the moment.
 
Northern sector is done and dusted. The PLA is there in force and the Indians cant really do anything. The Chinese had asked the indians to initiate a trilateral dialogue with Chine india and pakistan in oct 2019 that was rejected by India. They will probably try to get India to accept this again. India doesnt really have a military option at the moment.

Moreover China will scrap all the agreements, event that from 1993 and will go back to it's origin stance from 1950s. China says the border is only 2000 km and they even say Indian have no border with China in Ladakh and that part belongs to Pakistan lol.
 
You continue with these embarrassing posts.

If they didn’t want it, why would they initiate the assault in the first place? They are not going anywhere why don’t you go and give them what they wanted if you are so sure about it?

Looks like it has completely gone over your head. Let me repeat it again.

The poster I replied to said China got what they wanted yesterday. But that is far from truth as its most likely that they suffered more casualties than us.

But in the larger scheme of things, China do appear like they want some sort of a conflict, only time will tell at what scale it'd be. And if they don't return back to their pre April 2020 status quo , they'll get what they wanted.

Hope that clears up. :)
 
Looks like it has completely gone over your head. Let me repeat it again.

The poster I replied to said China got what they wanted yesterday. But that is far from truth as its most likely that they suffered more casualties than us.

But in the larger scheme of things, China do appear like they want some sort of a conflict, only time will tell at what scale it'd be. And if they don't return back to their pre April 2020 status quo , they'll get what they wanted.

Hope that clears up. :)

You keep embarrasing yourself. Kuch to sharm kar. Prove your claims with proper evidence or just keep quite. This is not your Republic TV viewers you can fool.
 
You keep embarrasing yourself. Kuch to sharm kar. Prove your claims with proper evidence or just keep quite. This is not your Republic TV viewers you can fool.

Tu hi bata de kya hua.
All the info you are getting is because of Indian media including the news of demise of Indian army personnel which is making you lots happy. Now when it is saying more chinese casualties why you are getting your knickers in a twist
 
You keep embarrasing yourself. Kuch to sharm kar. Prove your claims with proper evidence or just keep quite. This is not your Republic TV viewers you can fool.

Of course it would be hard for you guys to accept that your ....... all weather "phrend" China got a taste of it's own medicine but once you remove your green tinted glasses and try to get why China has refused to give any statement on it's casualties, It's not that hard.

Anyways...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

From the source

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

:)
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi says the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers in clashes with Chinese troops on the Asian giants' border "will not be in vain" <a href="https://t.co/Zu14v1UUA7">pic.twitter.com/Zu14v1UUA7</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1273198258769272833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Tu hi bata de kya hua.
All the info you are getting is because of Indian media including the news of demise of Indian army personnel which is making you lots happy. Now when it is saying more chinese casualties why you are getting your knickers in a twist

Here comes another one lol. No one is talking about Indian media, that is well known for it's lies.

People here are talking about what the Indian army has said; and they have said 20 soldiers killed.
 
Looks like it has completely gone over your head. Let me repeat it again.

The poster I replied to said China got what they wanted yesterday. But that is far from truth as its most likely that they suffered more casualties than us.

But in the larger scheme of things, China do appear like they want some sort of a conflict, only time will tell at what scale it'd be. And if they don't return back to their pre April 2020 status quo , they'll get what they wanted.

Hope that clears up. :)

your missing the point. The Chinese could have lost a 100 troops. It makes no difference. Have they pulled back from the territory they took over the last few weeks? No.

Have you forced them to dismantle the infrastructure they have built there? No.
Do they still have the ability to interdict the DBO road? Yes.
They moved a brigade to the front in 24hrs. they have a massive level of military infrastructure in place right now.

Have you made them leave the galwan valley?No. You just gave them an excuse to stay for ever and encroach further.

The PLA is more powerful than the IA. it is now simply a fact. You cannot do anything other than come to the table to talk. And kashmir will be on the table if that happens.
 
Of course it would be hard for you guys to accept that your ....... all weather "phrend" China got a taste of it's own medicine but once you remove your green tinted glasses and try to get why China has refused to give any statement on it's casualties, It's not that hard.

Anyways...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

From the source

American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

:)

Do you even know how stupid this sounds? Secondly Americans who themselsves are in cold war with China will just dish out a number.

And has your army confirmed that number?
 
Tu hi bata de kya hua.
All the info you are getting is because of Indian media including the news of demise of Indian army personnel which is making you lots happy. Now when it is saying more chinese casualties why you are getting your knickers in a twist

Here how things are seen. If India or China claims "x" number of soldiers died, that means atleast that number of soldiers died but numbers maybe much higher. If India or China claims "y" number of opponent died, that means casualties were inflicted to the other side but numbers cannot be trusted at all unless a neutral source comes in and reports the same.
 
This is a golden opportunity for Modi to just go out with a bang! Let’s be honest, I doubt he has another term left in him after this. His government has been embarrassed enough, so he might as well initiate a war against the Chinese under the rhetoric of avenging the entire world of Chinese oppression. He may gain international support and sympathy due to the corona virus pandemic and it’s supposed origins being China.

I doubt taking a step back now from a full confrontation will do this man’s legacy any good, especially how it has already been tarnished after operation swift retort.
 
American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News. The incident took place during a meeting in the mountainous region between the two sides – both of which had agreed to disarm – to determine how the two militaries would safely withdraw their presences from the region.

The meeting grew tense and resulted in a physical confrontation between the troops. According to the assessment, all of the casualties were from the use of batons and knives and from falls from the steep topography, the source says.

According to the U.S. assessment, the Chinese government considers the casualties among their troops as a humiliation for its armed forces and has not confirmed the numbers for fear of emboldening other adversaries, the source says.

The sources who spoke with the Times said 43 Chinese troops died in the fighting.


https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

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20-40 casualties on both sides seems to be due to close priximity physical fights. Not really gun fights or anynthing like that.

I am pretty sure that both sides will try to find solution.

Such a nonsensical assessment by USA. It’s not even believable.
CCP lost a grand total of 0 soldiers from the confrontation. Unknown sources say they had regenerative powers and kept coming back after injury.
World knows the CCP also saved their citizens earlier from a deadly virus by only allowing 80000 deaths. CCP have decided to come back to power due to their exceptional performance
 
A very Dangerous situation no doubt. Thoughts go out to all the families of all those who have passed on both sides.

After following this for a certain period it seems some things are pretty clear:

1) China is in the Galwan valley and will not budge. Hence you can quite easily say India has lost access to this area.

2) Indian soldiers have been redeployed from other parts of the border and would not be sufficiently acclimatised yet, would also not have the requisite preparedness

3) It has also become quite clear from yesterdays incident and the incident in Balakot that India's logistical capabilities, training and equipment leave a lot to be desired.

4) The logistical supply lines to Siachen are now under serious threat.

5) In the case of a major conflaguration over Kashmir, it is quite clear the PLA will use the issue to take all of the territory it claims in this area. Thus any Indian moves into Gilgit and AJK have now been eliminated

6) The peace and tranquility treaty is all but dead

7) China will begin to encroach further because they now know that the Indian army will not resist or does not have the full capability to resist

8) The US has clearly not supported India properly in this crisis. I would have expected something more concrete

9) India, while talking up its ability to fight a two front war has lost the ability to fight one in Kashmir and the northern sector.

10) Finally Pakistan should calculate its objectives and not make any rash moves as it may jeopardise the gains we have been given on a platter by the stupidity of the Modi regime.

I said this after the Balakot incident and will say it now, the Indian people are being taken for a ride by their military and govt. All of the money spent on their forces are going to waste and into the pockets of alot of corrupt people. These soldiers were clearly not trained that well, were underequipped, were lead badly to the point where a colonel lost his life. They were also put into a difficult position by senior commanders who should have realised the wider strategic implications of China in the Galwan valley.

Unfortunately India now has no military option in the North at this moment in time. They cant launsh a face saving operation, they cant move back into Galwan, there is a real prospect that Siachen could become untenable. It is a disaster that requires the resignation of Gen Rawat and the defence minister at the very least. Also requires a full review of the northern sector and its commanders.

Good post. I have been following the events of this week as well and its not looking good for India.

There are some serious questions that the Indian public needs to raise. India's IAF suffered humiliation when it doesn't warrant one simply due to the budget spending difference of IAF and PAF. If IAF spends $100m then PAF would spend 5 times less close to $20m. Its like comparing aston martin vantage against toyota supra and somehow toyota supra defeated it in an encounter. This was utter humiliation.

After IAF, now Indian ground forces have suffered humiliation and rather embarrassment. I would say embarrassment because as per India's narrative China is encroaching. Therefore, to get defeated by the encroaching party means India's ground forces were not able to secure and safeguard their own land and were manhandled (in literal sense) by encroaching troops. Serious questions on India's defence of its borders are raised.

As post above pointed out this could lead to India's cutoff from Siachen which could be very embarrassing.

I would blame the Indian media to a very large extent as they have been spread misinformation for a long time now. The result of misinformation is that large sect of population starts believing in this misinformation and on the back of it creates unattainable aspirations. Even today if you ask the average Indian they would so confidently say that Indian armed forces can not only take the valley back from China but can also liberate Tibet if the need be. This viewpoint only comes from decades of misinformation being fed to public leading them to believe all of their narratives.

The Govt of India is also weak in terms of cracking down on misinformation. On flip side, they are the beneficiary of such misinformation. The current ruling government has very serious ideological issues which would internally make India weak if these thoughts are given more and more airtime. In any case, going forward I hope more sensible reporting by the media outlets and some repercussions from Indian state on this matter.
 
Do you even know how stupid this sounds? Secondly Americans who themselsves are in cold war with China will just dish out a number.

And has your army confirmed that number?

Loving the excuses. :)


The same people who want us to believe whatever the US says about their own F-16s but don't want to believe them when the shoe is on the other foot. Honestly, this is next level hypocrisy.


It's not Indian army's duty to confirm Chinese casualties. We can't do much if Chinese want to keep that tucked in.
 
Such a nonsensical assessment by USA. It’s not even believable.
CCP lost a grand total of 0 soldiers from the confrontation. Unknown sources say they had regenerative powers and kept coming back after injury.
World knows the CCP also saved their citizens earlier from a deadly virus by only allowing 80000 deaths. CCP have decided to come back to power due to their exceptional performance

*4634*

:)
 
This is a golden opportunity for Modi to just go out with a bang! Let’s be honest, I doubt he has another term left in him after this. His government has been embarrassed enough, so he might as well initiate a war against the Chinese under the rhetoric of avenging the entire world of Chinese oppression. He may gain international support and sympathy due to the corona virus pandemic and it’s supposed origins being China.

I doubt taking a step back now from a full confrontation will do this man’s legacy any good, especially how it has already been tarnished after operation swift retort.

But do you believe that he will risk Kashmir and Ladakh for his image? If India does go in war, they will get destroyed brutally as they can't even keep up against China... how can they even keep up against both Pakistan and China? China will definitely capture Ladakh and might even capture Kashmir as well if it happens.
 
Such a nonsensical assessment by USA. It’s not even believable.
CCP lost a grand total of 0 soldiers from the confrontation. Unknown sources say they had regenerative powers and kept coming back after injury.
World knows the CCP also saved their citizens earlier from a deadly virus by only allowing 80000 deaths. CCP have decided to come back to power due to their exceptional performance

It is definitely true that China suffered casualties as well but we don't know the number yet. It was conveniet for Indian media to put the number as 40 since 20 indian troops were confirmed killed. But several reports conflict this from indian media as well.

Furious hand-to-hand fighting raged across the Galwan river valley for over eight hours on Monday night, as People’s Liberation Army assault teams armed with iron rods as well as batons wrapped in barbed wire hunted down and slaughtered troops of the 16 Bihar Regiment, a senior government official familiar with the debriefing of survivors at hospitals in Leh has told News18.

The savage combat, with few parallels in the history of modern armies, is confirmed to have claimed the lives of at least 23 Indian soldiers, including 16 Bihar’s commanding officer, Colonel Santosh Babu, many because of protracted exposure to sub-zero temperatures the Indian Army said late on Tuesday.

“Even unarmed men who fled into the hillsides were hunted down and killed,” one officer said. “The dead include men who jumped into the Galwan river in a desperate effort to escape.”

Government sources say at least another two dozen soldiers are battling life-threatening injuries, and over 110 have needed treatment. “The toll will likely go up,” a military officer with knowledge of the issue said.

Source: https://www.news18.com/news/india/p...ge-execution-spree-say-survivors-2673347.html

If this report is to be accepted and Chinese did ambush the indian troops, then how can double the casualties expected from Chinese side?

I personally believe that 20+ indian soldiers were killed, 135 were injured and 45 taken as prison. Whereas, around 40 chinese soldiers were killed as well as injured. Killed chinese soldiers most likely significantly lesser than 40 as they actually ambushed the indian soldiers.
 
If a war starts between China and India now, China is going to look really bad infront of the world community, especially with the bad name attached with China regarding Covid. A full fledged war is never going to happen though.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi says the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers in clashes with Chinese troops on the Asian giants' border "will not be in vain" <a href="https://t.co/Zu14v1UUA7">pic.twitter.com/Zu14v1UUA7</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1273198258769272833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This reads like a Ajay Devegen bollywood dialogue.

Also, not sure why we're bringing world perception of China into the debate. You've got a full-fledged clash happening with a huge death toll, and the media is reporting China's global negative image and consoling themselves that war will not happen.

Yes, a war will not happen but has no significance to the soldiers who were killed for obviously something that has upset the Chinese. That is critical loss of life for shoddy policies.
 
But do you believe that he will risk Kashmir and Ladakh for his image? If India does go in war, they will get destroyed brutally as they can't even keep up against China... how can they even keep up against both Pakistan and China? China will definitely capture Ladakh and might even capture Kashmir as well if it happens.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Pakistan give the Chinese an open access to IOK if opened up to both countries. Once again, it is the Kashmiris who will lose out.
 
If a war starts between China and India now, China is going to look really bad infront of the world community, especially with the bad name attached with China regarding Covid. A full fledged war is never going to happen though.
What world are you living in? Nobody thinks India is a land of perfect elves from lord of the Rings.
 
Loving the excuses. :)


The same people who want us to believe whatever the US says about their own F-16s but don't want to believe them when the shoe is on the other foot. Honestly, this is next level hypocrisy.


It's not Indian army's duty to confirm Chinese casualties. We can't do much if Chinese want to keep that tucked in.

I have never supported US over F16s, so don't generalize and point your accusation to those particular posters.

I am not going to waste more time on this. I see that you will give impression of that your side have killed more soldiers, so you can claim some sort of moral victory, but that is up to you.

Let's just wait and see.
 
But do you believe that he will risk Kashmir and Ladakh for his image? If India does go in war, they will get destroyed brutally as they can't even keep up against China... how can they even keep up against both Pakistan and China? China will definitely capture Ladakh and might even capture Kashmir as well if it happens.

You think Pakistan will jump in for China , risking the lives of it's own men for a conflict that doesn't even involve them ?

Didn't happen in '62 nor the Chinese stepped in for Pakistan in any of the four wars. The age of fighting other's battles is over. Stop dreaming.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi says the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers in clashes with Chinese troops on the Asian giants' border "will not be in vain" <a href="https://t.co/Zu14v1UUA7">pic.twitter.com/Zu14v1UUA7</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1273198258769272833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He will do nothing. Have to admit one thing about Modi his dialogue delivery is on par with Amitabh Bachchan. He also loves facing camera and getting clicked. He should be in Bollywood. :inti
 
If this report is to be accepted and Chinese did ambush the indian troops, then how can double the casualties expected from Chinese side?

They did ambush and outnumber our troops but a lot more Indian troops (from the Bihar regiment) joined in later seeing the CO getting attacked and gave it back to the PLA thugs.

That news18 article is quite an exaggeration though. I wouldn't pay much heed to it.
 
Bhai Jaan where are the defence experts [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

He seems more active in the PS5 thread than the serious issue of 20 Indian soldiers getting brutally killed
 
I have never supported US over F16s, so don't generalize and point your accusation to those particular posters.

I am not going to waste more time on this. I see that you will give impression of that your side have killed more soldiers, so you can claim some sort of moral victory, but that is up to you.

Let's just wait and see.

Bhakhts in a nutshell : We have killed 43 Chinese soldiers and they have killed 20 of our soldiers. Final score 43-20. We not only won convincingly but gave them the phainta of their lives.

Any other sane Indian who asks for proofs of those numbers will be asked to leave this country. Same thing happened when some people were asking government for proofs of sir jee kal strikes and pics of 350 terrorists. :inti
 
Bhakhts in a nutshell : We have killed 43 Chinese soldiers and they have killed 20 of our soldiers. Final score 43-20. We not only won convincingly but gave them the phainta of their lives.

Any other sane Indian who asks for proofs of those numbers will be asked to leave this country. Same thing happened when some people were asking government for proofs of sir jee kal strikes and pics of 350 terrorists. :inti

Sonia Gandhi already sent to moon by Republic TV.
 
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Tu hi bata de kya hua.
All the info you are getting is because of Indian media including the news of demise of Indian army personnel which is making you lots happy. Now when it is saying more chinese casualties why you are getting your knickers in a twist

Oh bhai our media is known for making up lies especially channels like Times Now, Zee News and Republic. If one chinese soldier died they will report 10 just like they made up a lie of killing 350 terrorists when in reality two innocent trees lost their lives.
 
Oh bhai our media is known for making up lies especially channels like Times Now, Zee News and Republic. If one chinese soldier died they will report 10 just like they made up a lie of killing 350 terrorists when in reality two innocent trees lost their lives.

Bhai even American intelligence are reporting 35 Chinese casualties. What about those reports? Bjp ne unhe bhi kharid lia kya?
 
Oh bhai our media is known for making up lies especially channels like Times Now, Zee News and Republic. If one chinese soldier died they will report 10 just like they made up a lie of killing 350 terrorists when in reality two innocent trees lost their lives.

The news where two innocent trees lost their lives ..from where did u get that news?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is one of the best explainer on what is happening in the Galwan region with detailed maps. Two important points:<br>1. There is no intrusion or occupation of Indian territory <br>2. China is unnerved by the massive ramp up in critical infra on the Indian side<br>Rest is all humbug. <a href="https://t.co/L2Moy0Yomh">https://t.co/L2Moy0Yomh</a></p>— Amit Malviya (@amitmalviya) <a href="https://twitter.com/amitmalviya/status/1273157968633171968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Interesting.
 
China says it has agreed with India to de-escalate border situation

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and India have agreed to de-escalate the situation at their border as soon as possible following a clash between the their troops, the Chinese foreign ministry said on Wednesday.

Senior Chinese diplomat Wang Yi told Indian Foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar during a phone call on Wednesday that India should severely punish those responsible for the conflict and control its frontline troops, the Chinese ministry said in a statement.

China and India have blamed each other for the clash on Monday, which killed at least 20 Indian soldiers.

https://in.reuters.com/article/indi...to-de-escalate-border-situation-idINKBN23O1N9
 
Loving the excuses. :)


The same people who want us to believe whatever the US says about their own F-16s but don't want to believe them when the shoe is on the other foot. Honestly, this is next level hypocrisy.


It's not Indian army's duty to confirm Chinese casualties. We can't do much if Chinese want to keep that tucked in.

Most sane Indians don't believe an F-16 went down, most don't believe Pakistan shot a another IAF fighter jet down either. All we know is 1 of ours went down, the rest are b.s

Why do you think China began its aggression ? Why are we backing down ? it is simple, if a battle takes place, Chinba is equipped to handle and we are not. This is why they are advancing and we are backing down. Chinese are much more equipped than us. They won't make moves without calculation.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/BajrangdalOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BajrangdalOrg</a> protest in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bangalore?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bangalore</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Karnataka?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Karnataka</a> demanding ban on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chinese?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chinese</a> products. <a href="https://t.co/dITLiQnrDi">pic.twitter.com/dITLiQnrDi</a></p>— Imran Khan (@keypadguerilla) <a href="https://twitter.com/keypadguerilla/status/1273178785643462656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
China says it has agreed with India to de-escalate border situation

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and India have agreed to de-escalate the situation at their border as soon as possible following a clash between the their troops, the Chinese foreign ministry said on Wednesday.

Senior Chinese diplomat Wang Yi told Indian Foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar during a phone call on Wednesday that India should severely punish those responsible for the conflict and control its frontline troops, the Chinese ministry said in a statement.

China and India have blamed each other for the clash on Monday, which killed at least 20 Indian soldiers.

https://in.reuters.com/article/indi...to-de-escalate-border-situation-idINKBN23O1N9

Expecting Times Now to declare it as our victory now. :inti
 
If a war starts between China and India now, China is going to look really bad infront of the world community, especially with the bad name attached with China regarding Covid. A full fledged war is never going to happen though.

The "world community" sees as as "soft, funny brown people" we will look like the poor comedians in the movie getting beat up by the bad villains. The world community will be on our sides. But China has power, we don't. We shouldn't worry about who dominates who. Progress should be our goal.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/BajrangdalOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BajrangdalOrg</a> protest in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bangalore?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bangalore</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Karnataka?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Karnataka</a> demanding ban on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chinese?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chinese</a> products. <a href="https://t.co/dITLiQnrDi">pic.twitter.com/dITLiQnrDi</a></p>— Imran Khan (@keypadguerilla) <a href="https://twitter.com/keypadguerilla/status/1273178785643462656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How many of them actually had Chinese phones in their pockets? :inti
 
Just remember , if they say deescalation look to see if the Chinese move their positions and dismantle their infrastructure. If they don't the 20 odd soldiers died for nothing. If they do then I would consider that a diplomatic success for Modi and not a good look for the PLA.

The key is Galwan and access to the DBO road. if that remains then China has what it came for.
 
The global image of China is at stake no matter what. A war only adds more into it, no matter which country China fights with.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians throwing away a Chinese TV followed by a foot-tapping dance by society uncles in Gujarat. <a href="https://t.co/cDFjfcvPkb">pic.twitter.com/cDFjfcvPkb</a></p>— Uzair Hasan Rizvi (@RizviUzair) <a href="https://twitter.com/RizviUzair/status/1273229041953239040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah yes, the TVs.
 
Bhai even American intelligence are reporting 35 Chinese casualties. What about those reports? Bjp ne unhe bhi kharid lia kya?

Robbie can you prove that with a source -american news/ intelligence confirming this- please add it
 
Modi punishes Xi: No ‘Happy Birthday’ this year

Prime Minister Narendra Modi gave Chinese President Xi Jinping’s birthday a miss on Monday, in the only hint from him till late on Tuesday night that Sino-Indo relations are at their worst during his tenure.

Since 2016, Modi had never failed to greet Xi on his birthday, continuing to do so even during ongoing bilateral disputes.

In 2016, Modi had wished Xi on Weibo, the Chinese equivalent of Twitter. “Birthday greetings to President Xi Jinping. I pray for his long life and good health,” read the message in Mandarin.

The Prime Minister did not make an exception even in 2017, when Xi’s birthday fell a day before the 73-day face-off began between Indian and Chinese troops in Doklam, a plateau at the tri-junction of India, China and Bhutan.

In fact, Modi’s first birthday greeting to Xi was sent out in 2016 at a time when China was opposing India’s entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Modi had used his Weibo account, which he had opened the previous year during his visit to China, to reach out to Xi.

In subsequent years, Weibo was Modi’s preferred platform to extend birthday greetings to Xi, except last year when he wished the Chinese leader in person at Bishkek, Krygyztan, on the sidelines of the meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.

https://www.telegraphindia.com/indi...nping-no-happy-birthday-this-year/cid/1781445
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians throwing away a Chinese TV followed by a foot-tapping dance by society uncles in Gujarat. <a href="https://t.co/cDFjfcvPkb">pic.twitter.com/cDFjfcvPkb</a></p>— Uzair Hasan Rizvi (@RizviUzair) <a href="https://twitter.com/RizviUzair/status/1273229041953239040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah yes, the TVs.

They are all looking like idiots. :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians throwing away a Chinese TV followed by a foot-tapping dance by society uncles in Gujarat. <a href="https://t.co/cDFjfcvPkb">pic.twitter.com/cDFjfcvPkb</a></p>— Uzair Hasan Rizvi (@RizviUzair) <a href="https://twitter.com/RizviUzair/status/1273229041953239040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah yes, the TVs.

Lol, a guy took up one of the parts from TV and were monitoring it carefully, probably thinking; "I can come back in night and collect this when everyone has gone to bed"
 
Do you even know how stupid this sounds? Secondly Americans who themselsves are in cold war with China will just dish out a number.

And has your army confirmed that number?

I would wait to get confirmation from a neutral source, can't really trust anything coming from the US who are going to be backing Indian in any war with China. Let's see what is reported in the British news. All I've seen so far is the 20 Indian casualties, nothing about China's losses at all.
 
It's funny how even the US media is not reliable now. :)

I guess when the BBC too says the same, it'll be "UK are just American lackeys, we want official statement from the CCP". :))
 
You can see post #900 someone has posted it
American media is also quoting the same thing

no a good enough source - ive listed of a video of the fight just above this message from daily mail - thats is suggesting that 40 odd dead Chinese troops - but not like daily mail is credible
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think people know which is the country that has given the supari to do this to India.</p>— Chetan Bhagat (@chetan_bhagat) <a href="https://twitter.com/chetan_bhagat/status/1273134124207923203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Which country :13:
 
It's funny how even the US media is not reliable now. :)

I guess when the BBC too says the same, it'll be "UK are just American lackeys, we want official statement from the CCP". :))

we do require a bigger well known news source - in regarding this issue
 
Ladakh seems to be such a beautiful, unexplored place.

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It doesn't matter to me who controls it, as long as people from all over the world (including Pakistanis) are allowed to visit it in peace.

Alas, another place of beautiful Earth, victim of human conflict.
 
Ladakh seems to be such a beautiful, unexplored place.

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It doesn't matter to me who controls it, as long as people from all over the world (including Pakistanis) are allowed to visit it in peace.

Alas, another place of beautiful Earth, victim of human conflict.

Do we apply to the Chinese or Indian embassy for a visa?
 
It's funny how even the US media is not reliable now. :)

I guess when the BBC too says the same, it'll be "UK are just American lackeys, we want official statement from the CCP". :))

USA is not a neutral witness as they are already engaged in hostilities with China. BBC would definitely be more impartial on any reports, although they too would be only reporting on information provided by India or China.

The real answer will only come if China withdraws from the territory it has taken from India. If not then we can draw our own conclusions who is winning this battle.
 
I don't care how many Chinese soldiers died. Be it 43 or 443

However, this is an interesting take on what people choose to believe and what not, based on their pride:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s funny how some Indian defence ‘experts’ claim 35 PLA casualties basis a report in some random US news website attributed to “US intelligence”. In 2019, when Foreign Policy reported no ���� F-16 was shot by IAF quoting The Pentagon sources, these ‘experts’ called it fake news!</p>— Kashmir Intel (@kashmirosint) <a href="https://twitter.com/kashmirosint/status/1273219645751742464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Do we apply to the Chinese or Indian embassy for a visa?

I feel unique places of mother Earth should belong to all humans. No visas. Make it an international area.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think people know which is the country that has given the supari to do this to India.</p>— Chetan Bhagat (@chetan_bhagat) <a href="https://twitter.com/chetan_bhagat/status/1273134124207923203?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Which country :13:

Nepal. :inti
 
The indian media , army and the ruling class had all been lying about the Chinese incursions into Indian claimed territory all this while.

Now the cat is out of the bag after the scuffle , From Feb 27th to this they continue to lie and continue being embarrassed about their claims . it shocking how some of their public still falls for it

There is no credibility left as far as their media , army or the political leadership is concerned.
 
First high-level talk since Ladakh clash: China blames India, asks EAM to punish those responsible

China has once again blamed Indian troops for the violent face-off at the LAC in Ladakh's Galwan Valley on Monday night.

China has once again blamed the Indian Army for the violent face-off that took place at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Galwan Valley in Eastern Ladakh. In the first high-level talk between India and China since the clash on Monday night, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told India's External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar that India must punish the soldiers behind the clash. The two leaders held the talks over the phone.

According to an official statement by the Chinese government, China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that "on the evening of June 15, the Indian front-line border forces openly broke the consensus reached at the military-level meeting between the two sides. Once the situation in the Galwan Valley had slowed down, they crossed the actual control line again and deliberately provoked violence, attacking the officers and soldiers who negotiated with the Chinese side led to fierce physical clashes, resulting in casualties."

"This risky act of the Indian Army seriously violated the agreement reached between the two countries on the border issue and seriously violated the basic norms of international relations. We urge the Indian side to conduct a thorough investigation on this, severely punish those responsible for the incident, strictly control the frontline troops," the statement from the Chinese government quoted Wang Yi as saying.

The statement said that during the call, the Indian and the Chinese leaders agreed to de-escalate the situation at their border as soon as possible and handle the situation at Galwan Valley fairly.

Meanwhile, India's Ministry of External Affairs has said that External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar conveyed a strong message to his Chinese counterpart during the call and said, “What happened in Galwan was premeditated and planned action by China which was responsible for the sequence of events.”

"It was agreed that the overall situation would be handled in a responsible manner, and both sides would implement the disengagement understanding of June 6 sincerely," the statement from MEA said.

EAM S Jaishankar also underlined that this unprecedented development will have a serious impact on the bilateral relationship. The need of the hour was for the Chinese side to reassess its actions and take corrective steps, the MEA said.

What Happened on Monday Night

Indian and Chinse troops have been engaged in a bitter standoff in Eastern Ladakh since May 5. The standoff turned violent on Monday night as Indian troops found Chinese soldiers camping on the Indian side of the LAC in Galwan Valley of Eastern Ladakh. At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed during the violent face-off that night. Chinese troops also suffered heavy casualties, however, the number of their soldiers killed in the clash could not be confirmed.

The face-off came around 10 days after both sides agreed to de-escalate the situation during a Lt Gen-level talks at the LAC. However, the Indian patrolling party had found that the Chinese troops backed off from their commitment and were setting up camps on the Indian side of the LAC. This triggered a clash between Indian and Chinese troops.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...o-punish-those-responsible-1689987-2020-06-17

These Chinese got some nerves.

First, they aren't acknowledging any of their 43 casaulties. Then, there media outlets start releasing clips of military exercise on moutainous terrain. Now, they are blaiming India for the whole mess.

PM Modi should punish Indian Soldiers for the death of Indian Soldiers?!

Are they high on bat meat, the Chinese?
 
The foreign ministers of China and India have held telephone talks over the deadly border clash, agreeing to "cool down" the tensions.

In a TV address to the nation, India's PM Narendra Modi says the sacrifice of soldiers killed in Ladakh by China's army "will not go in vain".

India says the "violent face-off" is an attempt by China to "unilaterally change the status quo" on the Galwan Valley frontier in Indian-administered Ladakh.

Beijing, in turn, accuses the Indian army of "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation".
 
It's funny how even the US media is not reliable now. :)

I guess when the BBC too says the same, it'll be "UK are just American lackeys, we want official statement from the CCP". :))

Same media said no F-16 was shoot down by IAF, and none died during balakot drama.

Take that :))
 
It's funny how even the US media is not reliable now. :)

I guess when the BBC too says the same, it'll be "UK are just American lackeys, we want official statement from the CCP". :))

Sorry but your are fundamentally misunderstanding the situation. It doesn't matter if China lost 20, 40 04 a 100. They don't care about their numbers because it is not a public opinion issue for them. They can either hide the numbers or not ever be questioned about them. All that matters is can they hold the territory they have taken and can subsequently can they take more without any major consequences for them.

Now lets take the LOC as an example, India says any misadventure by Pakistan will be met with force and consequences. These are normally through artillery strikes or the destruction of posts. The same from the Pakistan side. This prevents the LOC from changing. Can India do the to China?

If your answer is No, China can do whatever it wants on the LAC in a time of peace and even more in a time of war.

The numbers are irrelevant.
 
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