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Why will China need nuclear weapons when it can easily use Biological Weapons like Coronavirus and break the backbone of a country like India? You are underestimating China. :inti

Broke the backbone of every country khud ab mazay se chilling kar rahay hain
 
I hope the Chinese force it further by making a move for Daulat Beg Oldie, now that they reportedly dominate the Galwan Valley and claim it in its entirety. This would really put the cat amongst the pigeons, and while it isn't sagacious to expect such largesse from this most inscrutable of allies, if it were to happen, who are we to complain?

is there any decent map that shows what has been happening in the past week or two, everything i find online seems very amateur.

India and China will never go to war even if it is just a scuffle here and there. We will get creamed by the Chinese. The Chinese clearly want us to do something so they can react and exert dominance. They are baiting us. You really wanna do something ? Ban chinese products in India.

in the long run doing that will reduce any incentive china has to stay receptive to india further.

Nuclear weapons are a great leveller. However strong China is militarily they cannot think of walking over another nuclear powered country in these times. This is not 1900s. All it can do is exert trade sanctions and restrictions and nothing much.

both countries are signatories to non first use treaties, besides any country in the world that would use nukes in the modern age would become global pariahs instantly.

So China should stop having these wet dreams and get back to fixing global relations with countries, which is taking a severe beating.
Yes some nations have developed dependency on China but things can change too if those nations take a resolve.
China has surmounting debts around world and if not careful will be caught in its own web

despite its problems being the second largest economy in the world is no wet dream, and you are partially correct china needs to work on rebulding its relationship with the usa and the eu, india, not so much.
 
Why will China need nuclear weapons when it can easily use Biological Weapons like Coronavirus and break the backbone of a country like India? You are underestimating China. :inti

Unless you are living under a rock all these past months, China has not handled crisis any better than other countries. Add to that the constant shielding of news to help other countries overcome crisis. Their economy is not exactly shining now nor their domestic consumption. And now facing a second wave of virus spread. They have also come across as pussies by not agreeing to an investigation and shows their puny leadership.
If you think china has waged the biological weapon all it has done is shoot their own foot
 
is there any decent map that shows what has been happening in the past week or two, everything i find online seems very amateur.

It doesn't contain maps, but this article by Ejaz Haider, which I shared on another thread, was illuminating in that it lists the five points of interest, from south to north, and I was able to visualize it by looking them up on Google maps:

https://www.thefridaytimes.com/eastern-ladakh-and-indias-loss-of-face/

This one, from across the border, does have a couple of maps, although the more detailed one focuses on the area around Siachen:

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/heres-why-alls-not-well-for-india-on-the-ladakh-front
 
Unless you are living under a rock all these past months, China has not handled crisis any better than other countries. Add to that the constant shielding of news to help other countries overcome crisis. Their economy is not exactly shining now nor their domestic consumption. And now facing a second wave of virus spread. They have also come across as pussies by not agreeing to an investigation and shows their puny leadership.
If you think china has waged the biological weapon all it has done is shoot their own foot

Jus curious - has anyone have any info on china economy since they have stated that wuhan has no new cases
 
It doesn't contain maps, but this article by Ejaz Haider, which I shared on another thread, was illuminating in that it lists the five points of interest, from south to north, and I was able to visualize it by looking them up on Google maps:

https://www.thefridaytimes.com/eastern-ladakh-and-indias-loss-of-face/

This one, from across the border, does have a couple of maps, although the more detailed one focuses on the area around Siachen:

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/heres-why-alls-not-well-for-india-on-the-ladakh-front

thanks, that first link seems to help paint an idea of whats happening.
 
thanks, that first link seems to help paint an idea of whats happening.

If you haven’t, read the second article too. It paints quite a bleak picture for the Humsaaya Mulk, and will warm the cockles of your heart. If wishes were horses and all that...
 
Question is an india do this, just have a look at the tech industry- like most countries your way behind them and even more so in manufacturing.

I dont believe indian can live without a chinese made phone

Very true, but where there is a void, someone will fill it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is not interested in<br> the land of Pakistan or China but wants peace and amity: Union <br>minister and senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1272148646197223424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is not interested in<br> the land of Pakistan or China but wants peace and amity: Union <br>minister and senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1272148646197223424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is not interested in<br> the land of Pakistan or China but wants peace and amity: Union <br>minister and senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1272148646197223424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

nepal must be battering them - :asif
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If China, Nepal and Pakistan unite to grab more territory, and within India if the anti national seculars strike at the union government with violent demonstrations then let them all be assured that we nationalist will all unite sinking our differences and defeat them</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1272139562966413318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is not interested in<br> the land of Pakistan or China but wants peace and amity: Union <br>minister and senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1272148646197223424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So they don’t want “pok “ anymore? That’s good.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] bhai even warne is nothing in front of you, You are the actual champ spin Master. U can literally spin anything, even if great India nuke some one in first use. It will be still for some greater good and best act in human history. Your spinning skills are legendary.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India is not interested in<br> the land of Pakistan or China but wants peace and amity: Union <br>minister and senior BJP leader Nitin Gadkari.</p>— Press Trust of India (@PTI_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/1272148646197223424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This reminds one of the Patras Bokhari short story where one of his more pedantic characters hears a street hawker passing by, and calls the man in to inform the man he wasn't interested in purchasing anything.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If China, Nepal and Pakistan unite to grab more territory, and within India if the anti national seculars strike at the union government with violent demonstrations then let them all be assured that we nationalist will all unite sinking our differences and defeat them</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1272139562966413318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:ua

This guy us a clown. His followers are the type of people that are educated but think they know everything and anything in the world. These are the people that google something for 30 seconds and all of a sudden become "experts".
 
Fresh clashes at the border between PLA and Indian Army.

3 martyred on Indian side. 3-4 on Chinese side.

More to follow
 
Three Indian army personnel, including a commanding officer, have been killed in a "violent face-off" with Chinese soldiers in the Himalayan region of Ladakh, an Indian army spokesman has said.

The incident on Monday night follows weeks of rising tensions and the deployment of thousands of extra troops from both sides in the region.

"During the de-escalation process underway in the Galwan Valley, a violent face-off took place yesterday night with casualties. The loss of lives on the Indian side includes an officer and two soldiers," the Indian army spokesman said in a statement.

"Senior military officials of the two sides are currently meeting at the venue to defuse the situation," said the statement.

Meanwhile, China accused India of crossing a "disputed border" between the two countries, according to a report by the AFP news agency.

Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Indian troops crossed the border line twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides".

The Indian army said on Tuesday senior military officials from both sides were meeting to calm the situation.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/india-soldiers-killed-ladakh-face-china-200616072909922.html
 
Waiting for press briefing very shortly.

This is a rare occurrence as India-China border has not seen a shot fired in decades. Unprecedented development.
 
Apparently no shots were fired. People have got killed in violent face off. Insane
 
Terrible loss of life this when de-escalation was proceeding. Things will heat up now and surely should if lives are lost when the babus in Delhi are acting as if nothing was wrong.
 
I didn't expect this conflict to get violent. This is now getting serious.

I expect it will die down now that it has been cleared no shots were fired just a bunch of frustrated and indiscipline soldiers. Don't think the PLA were prepared or happy about going back.
 
New Delhi: An Indian colonel and two soldiers were killed in a "violent face-off" on Monday night with Chinese soldiers at Galwan Valley in Ladakh, in a massive escalation at a time there were efforts to defuse weeks of tension at the border. India retaliated and there were casualties on both sides, said the army. Army sources say the soldiers were not shot but were killed in a physical fight on Indian Territory that involved stones and batons. Major Generals of both sides are meeting currently, according to an official statement. This is the first violent incident involving fatalities in decades between India and China, who fought a brief border war in 1962.

Here are 10 developments in this big story:

The army statement said: "During the de-escalation process underway in the Galwan Valley, a violent face-off took place yesterday night with casualties on both sides. The loss of lives on the Indian side includes an officer and two soldiers. Senior military officials of the two sides are currently meeting at the venue to defuse the situation."

There was no shootout or gunshot wounds, say sources. "There was no firing. No firearms were used. It was violent hand-to-hand scuffles," an unnamed officer was quoted by news agency Agence France Presse as saying.

Beijing, in an aggressive statement, accused India of crossing the border, "attacking Chinese personnel", reported AFP. China's Foreign Ministry was quoted by Reuters as saying India should not take unilateral actions or stir up trouble.

China's Global Times quoted their foreign minister as saying two Indian soldiers had "crossed into Chinese territory twice on Monday in a serious violation of the consensus reached earlier" between the two countries. "They provoked and attacked the Chinese side, leading to a severe physical brawl. China has lodged protests and representations to the Indian side," said Chinese Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian. He also told reporters, according to AFP, that Beijing has lodged "strong protests and solemn representations" to Delhi.

According to sources in Prime Minister Narendra Modi's office, his scheduled meeting with Chief Ministers via video conferencing on COVID-19 will be held as planned.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh held a meeting with Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Bipin Rawat, the three military chiefs and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar.

Indian and Chinese soldiers have been locked in a standoff for weeks at Pangong Tso, Galwan Valley, Demchok and Daulat Beg Oldie in eastern Ladakh. A significant number of Chinese army personnel even transgressed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control or the de-facto border in several areas including Pangong Tso.

After weeks of face-off including an incident in which patrolling soldiers from the two sides clashed on the banks of Pangong Lake, resulting in injuries, friction eased following talks. Indian and Chinese military commanders had been in talks in Galwan Valley area and Hot Springs.

The Chinese Army had earlier pulled back its troops from the Galwan valley, PP-15 and Hot Springs in Eastern Ladakh area. The Indian side also brought back some of its troops and vehicles from these areas.

China has been upset about the Indian construction of roads and air strips in the area. After years of neglect Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government has pushed for improving connectivity and by 2022, 66 key roads along the Chinese border will have been built. One of these roads is near the Galwan valley that connects to Daulat Beg Oldi air base, which was inaugurated last October.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/arm...an-valley-ladakh-2247034?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
New Delhi: After a Colonel and two soldiers from the Indian army were killed at the Galwan Valley in Ladakh, China asked India "to not take unilateral actions or stir up trouble", reported news agency Reuters.

The comment was made by China's Foreign Ministry.

The army in an amended statement spoke of "casualties on both sides". Senior government sources told NDTV that the Indian casualties were not shot and that stones and batons were used.

Military representatives of both countries are meeting now at the location to defuse tensions.

Beijing accused Indian troops of crossing into its territory. Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters in Beijing Indian troops crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides". Beijing has lodged "strong protests and solemn representations" to Delhi, he said.

"We again solemnly request that India follows the relevant attitude and restrains its frontline troops," he said. "Do not cross the border, do not provoke trouble, do not take any unilateral action that would complicate the border situation."

Tensions flare on a fairly regular basis between India and China over their 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) border. Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese leader Xi Jinping have sought to improve relations at summits over the past two years.

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Last week, China said it had reached a "positive consensus" with India over resolving tensions that had bult up in recent weeks over five different places on the border in Ladakh and Sikkim.

The huge escalation of hostilities comes after high-level talks between military officers of both sides. There were reports last week that both armies had thinned out forces; however, experts warned that soldiers, tanks and other armoured carriers remained heavily deployed in the high-altitude region. Indian sources have also said that China has advanced into new territory at the strategically vital Pangong Lake.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/chi...-stir-up-trouble-2247069?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
This is getting serious now. China also trying to cover India from all sides slowly.
 
Sad news. Om shanti to all the martyred.

5-6 casualties on the Chinese side.

Hope the situation diffuses.
 
Any neutral sources about death count on both sides? because Indian media has zero credibility.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian media is citing Wang Wenwen of Global Times, who in turn is citing Indian media as source. Wah wah <a href="https://t.co/GoLyBkgOTF">pic.twitter.com/GoLyBkgOTF</a></p>— Jairaj Singh (@JairajSinghR) <a href="https://twitter.com/JairajSinghR/status/1272815324727922688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash. I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272818023225626624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, about Chinese casualties, to sum up: <br><br>- Credible Indian sources say there were Chinese casualties (they put the number at 3-4 but also say it's unconfirmed). <br><br>- Chinese GT also hinting there are Chinese casualties. <br><br>- What we don't know for sure? How many dead & wounded.</p>— FJ (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1272823255821402112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Reports saying stones and clubs used, gruesome!
 
violent hand to hand scuffles..that must have been quite a large scrap. Sounds like lots of broken bones and bruised faces plus this colonel.

This will now lead to two things, either a further escalation with China bringing more troops to the area and India responding, or cause for de-escalation. The problem is for India, as China isnt moving or budging. I suspect we will see and hear about more scuffles over the next few weeks before the news cycle moves on.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The news isn’t getting better. Hearing that Indian Army casualty figures could go up. Injuries have been grievous. Casualties confirmed on Chinese side, but no nature/numbers yet.</p>— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1272826865691045888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
kabhee China Kabhee Nepal Kabhee Pakistan. All have killed Indians in the last week. This surely can't be the usual as Indian government claims.

Bas Bangladesh aur Lanka ki kami hai
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If China, Nepal and Pakistan unite to grab more territory, and within India if the anti national seculars strike at the union government with violent demonstrations then let them all be assured that we nationalist will all unite sinking our differences and defeat them</p>— Subramanian Swamy (@Swamy39) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1272139562966413318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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He is saying they have already grabbed some territory :ishant
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash. I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272818023225626624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Global Times is reporting 5 Chinese causalities and 12 injured. They are Chinese mouthpiece.
 
Reports saying stones and clubs used, gruesome!

In 1962 and 1967, Chinese Army got overwhelmed in hand to hand combat with Indian solders, they introduced these props as a result.

Just imagine what kind of hand out to hand combat would have occurred for that many soldiers killed and injured.
 
Indian sources claiming PLA soldiers have died.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash. I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272818023225626624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirmed Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash along <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> LAC. <br>India has been provoking territorial issues not only with China, but also <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nepal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Nepal</a> recently. <a href="https://t.co/KkbRFEKkoe">pic.twitter.com/KkbRFEKkoe</a></p>— Shen Shiwei沈诗伟 (@shen_shiwei) <a href="https://twitter.com/shen_shiwei/status/1272819420419592192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chief editors of Global times and CGTN.
 
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Indians will make you believe 5 PLA soldiers have been killed and 11 casualties.
 
Chinese foreign ministry saying Indians crossed the border and showed aggression.

India will say the opposite, so here you go.
 
Reports coming hot - a colonel and couple of soldiers killed. There is no coming back from this. 60sq km area occupied, now soldiers getting killed. Does Modi have a spine?
 
Reports coming hot - a colonel and couple of soldiers killed. There is no coming back from this. 60sq km area occupied, now soldiers getting killed. Does Modi have a spine?

Well [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] claimed in this thread that India will respond to any aggression by the Chinese. Here is your chance guys
 
Apparently 13 indian soldiers have been killed - no confirmed reports though.
 
Well [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] claimed in this thread that India will respond to any aggression by the Chinese. Here is your chance guys

They are scared of China, doubt anything is going to happen.
 
Well [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] claimed in this thread that India will respond to any aggression by the Chinese. Here is your chance guys

He will say we already killed more chinese soldiers...
 
violent hand to hand scuffles..that must have been quite a large scrap. Sounds like lots of broken bones and bruised faces plus this colonel.

This will now lead to two things, either a further escalation with China bringing more troops to the area and India responding, or cause for de-escalation. The problem is for India, as China isnt moving or budging. I suspect we will see and hear about more scuffles over the next few weeks before the news cycle moves on.

I think there's a lot of money at stake. As proud as both countries armed forces are, the economic relations are worth a 100 billion dollars. Men at the borders are just frustrated. Luckily no firing took place. These physical skirmishes should stop after a round of dialogue
 
I think there's a lot of money at stake. As proud as both countries armed forces are, the economic relations are worth a 100 billion dollars. Men at the borders are just frustrated. Luckily no firing took place. These physical skirmishes should stop after a round of dialogue

Sad, but firing could have caused quicker deaths than a torturing end by stones and wooden clubs or whatever were used.
 
Remember this that Indians dont admit until they have to. In the case of Abhinandan, they had no choice.
 
Sad, but firing could have caused quicker deaths than a torturing end by stones and wooden clubs or whatever were used.

That's how it is.for soldiers at India-China border since 5 decades. No bullet has been fired in decades, this is actually the first fatality incident in 5 decades. An unprecedented development in the history of India-China border confrontations.
 
Indians lying about Chinese deaths. What a surprise. I'll embed a tweet later that the source of this Indian news was some Indian portal.

Fraud nation. Also some are saying Indian killer are way higher and an Indian major is in custody.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On <a href="https://twitter.com/IndiaToday?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndiaToday</a> , <a href="https://twitter.com/rahulkanwal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rahulkanwal</a> quoted Chinese journalist (with a disclaimer that it could be propaganda) <a href="https://twitter.com/WenwenWang1127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WenwenWang1127</a> that 5 Chinese soldiers have been killed. <br><br>It turns out <a href="https://twitter.com/WenwenWang1127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WenwenWang1127</a> was herself quoting a lesser known Indian portal <a href="https://twitter.com/NewsLineIFE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NewsLineIFE</a> . <a href="https://t.co/xhPsSeeHJ9">pic.twitter.com/xhPsSeeHJ9</a></p>— Shahnawaz شاہ نواز (@shahnawazk) <a href="https://twitter.com/shahnawazk/status/1272812675169284102?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Feel sad for the families of deceased. Why countries cannot live peacefully and resolve issues on table. There are enough deaths and issues fighting natural elements, yet we are willing to sacrifice our people for more and more land.
 
Indians lying about Chinese deaths. What a surprise. I'll embed a tweet later that the source of this Indian news was some Indian portal.

Fraud nation. Also some are saying Indian killer are way higher and an Indian major is in custody.

I reckon China might admit to casualties to let Modi save face. China is happy with salami slicing, they dont want a war either.
 
So first it was "Indian media are lying China had no casualties" and now it's "Indian media are lying China didn't have 5 casualties" after getting proven wrong. :facepalm:

Even the Chinese won't defend this desperately.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...dia-border-china-soldiers-dead-injured-Ladakh

Didn't know Express UK was an Indian organisation.

You can read the article - Express' claim is based on what Aditya Raj Kaul said which itself was based on fake news by a Chinese journalist.

Other Chinese media has hinted at casualties but they haven't reported a number yet, last I checked.
 
Where did Express UK get this newz from? They have their own journalists at the border?

Here is their source.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unofficial reports say China has lost 4-5 People’s Liberation Army soldiers after their violent provocation yesterday in Eastern Ladakh. Considering they’ve been hiding their <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a> cases and deaths, one can imagine the manipulation in the casualties they faced in border clash.</p>— Aditya Raj Kaul (@AdityaRajKaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1272825300691431424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Both BBC and CNN headlining that three Indian soldiers killed so it is very much possible that the Indian side of the story is not credible.

Have been seeing Indian news this morning and they have retired army personnel on shows, who are persistently telling the media to play a role and don't escalate. Found that to be quite hypocritical in comparison to the general behavior against Pakistan, a country that is already five times smaller.

Lots of questions arising for Modi who is playing it safe by staying quiet. That's an element of a shrewd politician.
 
Indian media adopting the strategy, if 1000 Indian sources say 4-5 PLA soldiers have been killed, then that’s going to supposedly become the truth
 
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