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China is detaining Muslims in vast numbers - The Goal: ‘Transformation’ - Where is the outrage?

China will do whatever it wants.

British Pakistanis should stop worrying about them. Pretty sure the Uyghurs don't give two hoots about them either, much like the Palestinians.

Chalk and cheese.
 
Only if CNN also discussed this issue at length
I thinkthey should take a brake from Trump (which is impossible for these idiotic bimbos to do) and actually talk about issue that is way more important than what dumb thing trump just said
 
China will do whatever it wants.

British Pakistanis should stop worrying about them. Pretty sure the Uyghurs don't give two hoots about them either, much like the Palestinians.

Chalk and cheese.

British Pakistanis don't even know who the Uihghurs are for the most part. I can guarantee you 95% would never have heard about them before Indian posters and tweeters started blasting social media about how the world must unite to stop the rise of evil China. That must sound familiar to you since you dedicated a whole thread to it.
 
British Pakistanis don't even know who the Uihghurs are for the most part. I can guarantee you 95% would never have heard about them before Indian posters and tweeters started blasting social media about how the world must unite to stop the rise of evil China. That must sound familiar to you since you dedicated a whole thread to it.

Fair call, just train your guns on problems closer to home. Of which there are plenty.
 
What are these problems closer to home? Please elaborate and if you make a decent case I can certainly do that.

Everybody faces problems closer to home that they'd do better to focus on than a mysterious land thousnds of miles away.

There are numerous problems faced by British Pakistanis. You can list them better than me, and these starter articles should help consolidate your opinions:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...and-lowest-paid-jobs-we-know-we-a8504851.html

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...6/24/british-attitudes-its-pakistani-diaspora

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...of-them-have-nothing-to-do-with-10113023.html

https://theconversation.com/white-b...ve-out-if-pakistanis-buy-houses-nearby-114477
 
Everybody faces problems closer to home that they'd do better to focus on than a mysterious land thousnds of miles away.

There are numerous problems faced by British Pakistanis. You can list them better than me, and these starter articles should help consolidate your opinions:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...and-lowest-paid-jobs-we-know-we-a8504851.html

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...6/24/british-attitudes-its-pakistani-diaspora

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...of-them-have-nothing-to-do-with-10113023.html

https://theconversation.com/white-b...ve-out-if-pakistanis-buy-houses-nearby-114477

I see. So we have an Indian on a Pakistani website advising British Pakistanis to focus on issues closer to home. :13:
 
British Pakistanis don't even know who the Uihghurs are for the most part. I can guarantee you 95% would never have heard about them before Indian posters and tweeters started blasting social media about how the world must unite to stop the rise of evil China. That must sound familiar to you since you dedicated a whole thread to it.

This has been ongoing for years. You're showing yourself as an amoral hypocrite. Whataboutery aside, Indians are not wrong here. We cry about Israel, this is another level. Ozil was ostracized by Germany for speaking out against china
 
There is no point in trying to have a discussion with someone so delusional that he believes that the situation of the Ugyhurs is comparable to that of the Kashmiris.

I agree, Kashmiris are worse off and have been worse. You've not answered my points and understandably so.
 
But that is what is baffling to me. Why is it Indian members and non-Muslim publications like the Times who are conveniently talking about Ummah and the Muslim unity when China has become a common enemy?

What do you mean 'conveniently' ? As opposed to those who are being sincere in their concern .. how do you know which is which, mindreader?

Do they want Muslim countries to fight China? How would they do it?

Baby steps first.. atleast acknowledge the problem first whether through official social media channels or press releases whatever ..instead of complete silence. Many OIC members have instead endorsed China's oppression of fellow muslims at the UN vote.
 
This is from a Chinese reality show shot in Dubai. The mocking censorship blots out (pic 1) headscarf and (pic 2) the whole woman in a burqa.



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This has been ongoing for years. You're showing yourself as an amoral hypocrite. Whataboutery aside, Indians are not wrong here. We cry about Israel, this is another level. Ozil was ostracized by Germany for speaking out against china

In what way am I an amoral hypocrite as compared to you or any Indian posters here?
 
What do you mean 'conveniently' ? As opposed to those who are being sincere in their concern .. how do you know which is which, mindreader?



Baby steps first.. atleast acknowledge the problem first whether through official social media channels or press releases whatever ..instead of complete silence. Many OIC members have instead endorsed China's oppression of fellow muslims at the UN vote.

That is because they will put the interests of their own countries first, same as all countries around the world. Muslim countries operate by the same rules for the most part, and unless they don't want to trade with non-Muslim countries, or have the upper hand in negotiations, they have only so much bargaining power. Everything is a trade off, and currently China seems to offer far more than India to Pakistan.
 
The recent John Oliver piece on this is really eye opening for anyone who still isn’t sure of the scale of this.

And the comparison with kashmir is stupid. There is no need to compare and the dynamics are different. Whoever has it worse is irrelevant (Uighurs do) and I don’t get why Pakistanis have to be defensive about it.

It is totally normal and rational for a pakistani to care much more about Kashmiris for a multitude of logical reasons but there is no need to brush it under the carpet
 
Asides from the Pakistanis who are shameless when they try to defend chinas actions in Xinjiang or brush it under the carpet; the Indians are no less shameless when they try to use this is a prop to get attention away from the decades long persecution of Kashmiris. Don’t use suffering of others to wipe away crimes of your own governments. How can one be so heartless?
 
That is because they will put the interests of their own countries first, same as all countries around the world. Muslim countries operate by the same rules for the most part, and unless they don't want to trade with non-Muslim countries, or have the upper hand in negotiations, they have only so much bargaining power. Everything is a trade off, and currently China seems to offer far more than India to Pakistan.

Yet Israel is blocked on what grounds,?. What China is doing is pretty insane but the fact most Pakistanis are racist towards non Arab Muslims is bizarre. Arabs don't care for Pakistan!
 
Yet Israel is blocked on what grounds,?. What China is doing is pretty insane but the fact most Pakistanis are racist towards non Arab Muslims is bizarre. Arabs don't care for Pakistan!

All may well be true, although I think it is always dangerous to apply sweeping generalisations, but since you will very rarely see me on threads about Israel, how did you come to the conclusion that I am an amoral hypocrite?

A hypocrite - I can hold my hand up there, I have never claimed to be otherwise, but amoral? I think I can improve here if you or the Indians you sided with can show me how you do it.
 
Pakistan should take up this matter with China asap! If China consider Pakistan as a friend they should listen to their friend as well but do Pakistan have the guts to take this issue up with China. I remember I read that they have spoken to China behind closed doors but has that helped?
 
Pakistan should take up this matter with China asap! If China consider Pakistan as a friend they should listen to their friend as well but do Pakistan have the guts to take this issue up with China. I remember I read that they have spoken to China behind closed doors but has that helped?

No offense but Pakistan is in no position to "take up" any matter with China. I'll just leave it at that.

Only plausible way is for the OIC or the whole (or most of the) Muslim world to come together and sanction China or boycotting trade with them. And the probability of that happening is close to zero.
 
France's Macron expressed concerns about human rights to China's Wang Yi

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron expressed strong concerns about the situation in Hong Kong and human rights for China’s Muslim Uighur minority during a meeting on Friday with the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, his office said.

Following months of protests, a new security law was introduced in Hong Kong that has drawn wide criticism in the West for jeopardising basic rights and freedoms the special administrative region was promised when it returned to Chinese rule in 1997.

The United Nations estimates that more than a million Muslim Uighurs have been detained in camps in the Xinjiang region. China denies mistreatment and says the camps provide vocational training and are needed to fight extremism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-rights-to-chinas-wang-yi-idUSKBN25P0HK?il=0
 
France's Macron expressed concerns about human rights to China's Wang Yi

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron expressed strong concerns about the situation in Hong Kong and human rights for China’s Muslim Uighur minority during a meeting on Friday with the Chinese government’s top diplomat, State Councillor Wang Yi, his office said.

Following months of protests, a new security law was introduced in Hong Kong that has drawn wide criticism in the West for jeopardising basic rights and freedoms the special administrative region was promised when it returned to Chinese rule in 1997.

The United Nations estimates that more than a million Muslim Uighurs have been detained in camps in the Xinjiang region. China denies mistreatment and says the camps provide vocational training and are needed to fight extremism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-rights-to-chinas-wang-yi-idUSKBN25P0HK?il=0

China is so freaking evil man. Ridiculous what is happening there.
 
Uighur Muslim teacher tells of forced sterilisation in Xinjiang

A teacher coerced into giving classes in Xinjiang internment camps has described her forced sterilisation at the age of 50, under a government campaign to suppress birth rates of women from Muslim minorities.

Qelbinur Sidik said the crackdown swept up not just women likely to fall pregnant, but those well beyond normal childbearing ages. Messages she got from local authorities said women aged 19 to 59 were expected to have intrauterine devices (IUDs) fitted or undergo sterilisation.

In 2017, Sidik was 47 and her only daughter was at university when local officials insisted she must have an IUD inserted to prevent the unlikely prospect of another pregnancy. Just over two years later, at 50, she was forced to undergo sterilisation.

When the first order came, the Chinese language teacher was already giving classes at one of the now notorious internment camps appearing across China’s western Xinjiang region.

She knew what happened to people from Muslim minorities who resisted the government, and a Uighur-language text message that she shared with the Guardian, which she said came from local authorities, made the threat explicit.

“If anything happens, who will take responsibility for you? Do not gamble with your life, don’t even try. These things are not just about you. You have to think about your family members and your relatives around you,” the message said.

“If you fight with us at your door and refuse to collaborate with us, you will go to the police station and sit on the metal chair!”

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On the day of her appointment there were no Han Chinese among crowds of women waiting for their compulsory birth control at the government compound, she said.

Details of China’s sweeping campaign of repression against Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in Xinjiang have leaked out slowly from the tightly controlled region, but there is increasing evidence of efforts to slash birth rates, which some experts have called “demographic genocide”.

This has included forced birth control and sterilisation, fines and even prison sentences for those considered to have too many children, a recent Associated Press investigation found.

In the mostly Uighur regions of Hotan and Kashgar, births collapsed by more than 60% between 2015 and 2018, the last year for which government data was available, the AP found. Nationwide over the same period, births fell only 4.2%.

This is the period when Sidik was forced to have the IUD fitted, despite her age and insistence that she did not want any more children.

The IUD caused heavy bleeding, and she paid to have it removed illegally. But later in 2018 a routine check found it was missing and she was forced to have a second device installed, and then a year later forced to undergo sterilisation.

“In 2017, just because I was an official worker in a school, they gave me a wider choice to have this IUD or sterilisation operation. But in 2019 they said there is an order from the government that every woman from 18 years to 59 years old has to be sterilised. So they said you have to do this now.”

She tried to plead both age and the damaging impact of the IUDs on her health. “I saidmy body cannot take it, but they told me ‘you don’t want children, so you have no excuse not to have the sterilisation operation.’”

Her story, first told to the Dutch Uyghur Human Rights Foundation, is difficult to verify. It is hard to take photos inside detention facilities and there is little documentation. But details match accounts by other camp detainees and research into coercive birth control practices.

She previously gave anonymous accounts of her experience in the camps and with IUDs, but had not spoken about her sterilisation.

She was frightened that being identified might affect family still in China, particularly her husband. But he has since divorced her, and with that link severed Sidik decided to come forward under her name.

“What happened in the concentration camps and in the whole region was really, really terrible. I couldn’t stay silent,” she said. “I wonder why western countries still cannot believe what’s happening inside those camps. I wonder why they keep silent.”

During the years when Sidik was targeted for forced sterilisation, she was also sexually harassed at home by a Han Chinese man sent to live as a “relative” in her apartment, under a programme of surveillance rolled out across Xinjiang.

Initially he spent a week every three months in their home, but later this increased to a week every month. There have been reports of Han “relatives” in Uighur homes forcing female hosts to share beds, and sexually assaulting them, particularly when men were in camps.

Sidik was also a witness to another aspect of repression. As one of the few camp instructors to have gone public, she had a clearer overview of the system of mass incarceration than survivors who were caught up in it.

She worked as a teacher in two camps, where she claims she saw starvation rations and unsanitary and humiliating conditions, including limited access to bathrooms and water. She also heard the screams of tortured prisoners and witnessed at least one inmate being carried out dead.

In the second centre where she worked, which held mostly young women, a trusted colleague told her that rape of inmates by Han Chinese administrators was routine.

“Every time I saw them it just reminded me of my daughter, and I thought: please, not my daughter,” she said, weeping at the memory. Most of the prisoners were in their 20s and 30s, she said.

Sidik came from a family that would once have been considered a model of assimilation by local authorities, speaking fluent Chinese, working at a government school and following government exhortations to have only one child.

She initially dismissed reports of forced sterilisations and mass detentions from other parts of Xinjiang as something that happened to troubled communities. “We felt compassion, but it was some faraway story, not something that will happen to us.”

But the long shadow of ethnic oppression may have saved her life. She was born into the turbulence of the Cultural Revolution, and her mother listed her as an Uzbek, even though she has always considered herself a Uighur and that was the official ethnic identity of others in her family.

Permission to leave China is given only rarely to Muslim minorities from Xinjiang these days, and almost never to Uighurs. She left China in late 2019 and expects to never return. Her husband, a Uighur, applied for a permit to travel with her. Authorities told him: “Don’t even dream about it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lls-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
 
How do Uighur muslims feel about Pakistani muslims? I think they probably don't like Pakistani government because Pakistani government don't object against their treatment in Chine. But what is their view about general public of Pakistan?
 
How do Uighur muslims feel about Pakistani muslims? I think they probably don't like Pakistani government because Pakistani government don't object against their treatment in Chine. But what is their view about general public of Pakistan?

Tbh don’t think they care too much about us, they have bigger things to worry about
 
China defends Xinjiang 'education' camps

China has defended its controversial policies in the Xinjiang region, just days after the US government announced import restrictions on products coming out of the area.

Beijing has come under fire for a network of detention centres which mostly house Muslim minorities.

But a new document says millions of workers have benefited from "education and vocational training".

The US has likened the centres to concentration camps.

It has placed sanctions on Chinese politicians allegedly involved and earlier this week blocked some exports it said had been made with "forced labour".

A new Chinese government white paper, however, says "vocational training" is increasing job opportunities and combating poverty.

"Xinjiang has built a large knowledge-based, skilled and innovative workforce that meets the requirements of the new era," the report reads.

It says the training provided includes written and spoken Mandarin, labour skills and "knowledge of urban life". The report says people from rural areas have started their own businesses or got jobs in factories after receiving state support.

China has long insisted that mass "vocational education and training" is necessary in far-western Xinjiang to counter terrorism and alleviate poverty.

But human rights groups have said at least one million people have been incarcerated in camps which they describe as "re-education" centres.

The Chinese report said that 1.3 million people had been through Xinjiang's "vocational training" scheme annually for six years. It's not clear how many of those "retrained" were sent to the specially built camps or if any of them went through the programme twice.

But in total nearly eight million people out of a population of 22 million could have been through the programme, the new figures suggest.

On Wednesday, Swedish clothing giant H&M said it was severing ties with a Chinese yarn producer amid accusations that the company was using "slave labour" from Xinjiang.

The US measures announced on Monday target four companies and one manufacturing site.

They fall short of the region-wide ban that had been considered, officials said. However, they were still exploring that possibility.

"These extraordinary human rights violations demand an extraordinary response," Kenneth Cuccinelli, the Department of Homeland Security's acting secretary told reporters at the time. "This is modern-day slavery."

China hit back at the US over the block on exports. A foreign ministry spokesperson said accusations of forced labour had been fabricated by Western countries.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54195325
 
Uighurs could be allowed to seek genocide ruling against China in UK

Uighurs and other Muslim minorities would be given the right to petition a UK high court judge to declare that genocide is taking place in China, requiring the UK government to curtail trade ties with Beijing, under proposals brought by MPs and peers.

The cross-party parliamentary revolt is causing deep concern in government, where there are fears that judges and human rights campaigners could be empowered to throw UK-China trade relations into turmoil.

The moves are being led by the former cabinet minister Iain Duncan Smith but have broad cross-party support.

Under the proposals, human rights campaigners would for the first time be able to seek redress in the UK courts for cases of alleged genocide, instead of the issue being determined at the UN, where deep political divisions mean those committing war crimes can in effect act with impunity.

The breadth of the revolt also reflects the pressure on the government to use its economic levers to take a tougher line towards China in the wake of the national security law in Hong Kong introduced in the summer.

Duncan Smith said: “The government has still not got it on human rights in China. If an African country was doing what China is doing, ministers would be all over it, but because of China’s size and influence at the UN, it runs away. It is time we stood up against the abuses under way within China.”

The UK parliamentary pro-Uighur alliance is proposing that no trade bill regulations be allowed to come into effect if a high court judge makes a preliminary determination that a party to the relevant trade agreement is committing genocide. An amendment to the trade bill is expected to be passed in the Lords, and Duncan Smith said he would pick up the issue in the Commons, where he expects the support of more than 40 Tory rebels, enough to defeat the government.

The measure has the backing of an array of peers including two former Conservative cabinet ministers, Sayeeda Warsi and Michael Forsyth, the cross-bench human rights campaigner David Alton, the Liberal Democrats and the former head of the No 10 policy unit under Tony Blair, Andrew Adonis.

Legal figures in the Lords are also backing the move. Some senior judges feel their credibility was damaged when they assured peers last year that the presence of British judges on the Hong Kong courts would act as a restraint on China. Overseas judges have now been debarred from national security cases in Hong Kong.

The government’s trade bill is largely a measure to ensure the UK government can sign continuity trade agreements after Brexit with countries that the EU already has agreements with. The EU already has a trade agreement with China dating back 10 years, but a request for the UK high court to determine that China is committing genocide could force ministers to tear up the agreement.

The new clause adding the role for a high court judge to make a pre-determination on genocide was tabled at the weekend, and is expected to be voted on by peers this month.

Ministers are already on the back foot over the issue since the same cross-party human rights alliance tabled parallel amendments to the telecommunications leasehold property bill. These amendments would have prevented firms linked to human rights abuses having access to the UK telecommunications network. The amendment is primarily targeted at the Chinese telecoms firm Huawei.

UK ministerial rhetoric at the UN Human Rights Council has been increasingly critical about Chinese repression against people in the western Xinjiang region. There is increasing evidence that China is imprisoning enormous numbers of people from the primarily Muslim Uighur population. A report from last week found that China has now built nearly 400 camps. Some people who have fled the region have told of programmes of forced sterilisation for Uighur women.

The human rights minister Lord Ahmad last Friday called for international observers to be given unfettered access to Xinjiang. Ahmad added there was “compelling evidence including from the Chinese government’s own documents of gross human rights abuses”.

The Foreign Office says it is for international bodies such as the international criminal court to determine if genocide is under way. Critics say the use of the veto by the major powers at the UN security council means references to the court are impossible.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ower-to-rule-that-uighurs-are-facing-genocide
 
China confirms death of Uighur man whose family says was held in Xinjiang camps

The Chinese government has taken the rare step of formally confirming to the UN the death of a Uighur man whose family believe had been held in a Xinjiang internment camp since 2017.

More than one million people from the Uighur and Turkic Muslim communities in the far western region of Xinjiang are believed to have been detained in camps since 2017, under a crackdown on ethnic minorities which experts say amounts to cultural genocide. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has repeatedly refused requests by international bodies to independently visit and investigate the region, despite growing international backlash.

Abdulghafur Hapiz’s disappearance was registered with the United Nations Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances (WGEID) in April 2019, but the Chinese government didn’t respond to formal inquiries until this month. When it did respond, in a document seen by the Guardian, it told WGEID that the retired driver from Kashgar had died almost two years ago, on 3 November, 2018 of “severe pneumonia and tuberculosis”.

“I don’t believe it,” his daughter, Fatimah Abdulghafur, told the Guardian. “If he died of anything it would have been diabetes.”

“I know my father’s health and I’ve been talking about his health issues. He had a (tuberculosis) shot.”

Abdulghafur, a poet and activist living in Australia, said she last heard from her father in April 2016, when he left her a voice message on WeChat saying: “‘I have something urgent to tell you please call me’, but when I called him back he wasn’t there.”

Abdulghafur believes her father was sent to the camps in March 2017, and had been advocating for his release, or at least information on his whereabouts ever since.

“I was frantically looking for my father, when he was already gone. It’s also really sad because I couldn’t speak to him before his death,” she said. Authorities gave no information about his burial, or the location of his body.

She said the formal acknowledgement of his death was significant for the Uighur community not just because it was an extraordinarily rare response – other than state media reports targeting their claims – but because it brings hope and potentially legal recourse. No mainland human rights lawyer will go near the sensitive Uighur cases she said.

“This is an official letter from the government given to the UN, so I can take this letter to maybe an international court to say this is my evidence, and let the Chinese government show their evidence.”

“To me it’s a major personal success. I’m not sure who can help me but I’m searching.”

One of thousands of Uighurs now living in Australia, Abdulghafur said it’s not safe for her to contact her family in Xinjiang directly but had received some messages via third parties over the years.

The WGEID also enquired after Abdulghafur’s mother and two younger siblings, who have also disappeared, and Abdulghafur said authorities reported back that her 63-year-old mother was “leading a social, normal life”.

“I haven’t been able to speak to her at all. That’s another lie,” she said. “She is at home, I’m sure of it. But she’s not living a normal life. I think she is under house arrest.”

Abdulghafur said while she applied anonymously to the WGEID to investigate her family’s disappearances, her sister in Turkey had asked the Chinese embassy in Istanbul for information, but was harassed and intimidated after being told to hand over her personal details.

In its 2020 report the WGEID urged China to provide information to families and legal groups on missing Uighurs and said “failure to do so amounts to an enforced disappearance”.

China’s crackdown on Xinjiang is expanding, according to new research which revealed hundreds of new detention camps and the destruction of thousands of mosques and other cultural and religious sites. It follows revelations in recent months of forced sterilisation of women, and expansions of forced labour programs.

The CCP has consistently denied the accusations against it, and says the camps are vocational training centres built in response to religious extremism.

Last weekend CCP president Xi Jinping said his policies in Xinjiang were “totally correct”, and education of the population was “establishing a correct perspective on the country, history and nationality”.

“The sense of gain, happiness, and security among the people of all ethnic groups has continued to increase,” Xi told a CCP meeting.

“As long as he stays in power it will continue, and the world will watch all the Uighur people disappear one by one,” said Abdulghafur.

“They are fully armed to either completely get rid of us or completely make us one of them, like complete assimilation. There is no in-between pathway.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-whose-family-says-was-held-in-xinjiang-camps
 
China accuses the US of “violating human rights and systematic racial discrimination”.

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Chinese detention 'leaving thousands of Uighur children without parents'

Thousands of Uighur children appear to have been left without parents as their mothers or fathers were forced into Chinese internment camps, prison and other detention facilities, according to evidence from government documents in Xinjiang.

Records compiled by officials in southern Xinjiang and analysed by the researcher Adrian Zenz indicate that in 2018 more than 9,500 mostly Uighur children in Yarkand county were classified either as experiencing “single hardship” or “double hardship” depending on if one or both parents were detained.

The files, part of a cache of documents downloaded in the summer of 2019 from online networks used by local officials, showed that all the children had at least one parent in prison, detention or a “re-education” centre. No Han Chinese children were on the list.

Zenz said: “Beijing’s strategy to subdue its restive minorities in Xinjiang is shifting away from internment and towards mechanisms of long-term social control. At the forefront of this effort is a battle over the hearts and minds of the next generation.”

Authorities are believed to have detained more than 1 million Muslim people in re-education and other internment camps in the far north-western territory. It is part of a campaign that researchers and rights advocates say is aimed at wiping out local culture and suppressing the growth of the Uighur population. Chinese officials defend their policies in the name of poverty alleviation and counter-terrorism efforts.

Children are often placed in state orphanages or high-security boarding schools where students are closley monitored and almost all classes and interaction must be carried out in Mandarin instead of their native Uighur language.

According to Zenz’s research, a total of 880,500 children – including those whose parents are absent for other reasons – were living in boarding facilities by 2019, an increase of about 76% from 2017 as China’s internment system expanded.

The impact of the detentions on children and family structures is one of the less scrutinised aspects of China’s increasingly criticised policies in Xinjiang. Witness accounts from those outside China have revealed what experts say is a systematic policy of separating families.

If the figures from Yarkand county were extrapolated across the region up to 250,000 Uighurs under the age of 15 may have had one or both of their parents interned, according to the Economist, which first published Zenz’s findings.

Other files obtained and analysed by Zenz detailed cases of children in orphanages. One list of 85 “double hardship” students under the age of 10, whose parents were in interment centre or prison, included a one-year old living in a Yarkand orphanage. In another family, a three-year-old boy and a seven-year-old girl were in an orphanage because both parents were in a “re-education” centre.

In recent years, spending on education in Xinjiang has exceeded that of security as schools emerge as a key frontline in the government’s efforts to root out the possibility of dissent. Schools often feature multi-level defensive intrusion systems, full-coverage surveillance, electric fencing and computerised patrol systems.

Despite mounting criticism of alleged abuses in Xinjiang, Beijing appears to have intensified its strategy with new reports emerging of forced labour and of forced sterilisation of Uighur women.

In a speech late last month the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, said the strategy for governing the region was “absolutely correct”.

“The sense of gain, happiness, and security among the people of all ethnic groups has continued to increase,” he said.

In response to the report, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian called Zenz a “notorious gun for hire” for the US government.

“We have said many times that the Xinjiang issue is not a matter of human rights, ethnicity and religion, but an issue of countering violence, terrorism and separatism,” he said at a regular press briefing on Friday. “This so-called suppression of Muslims and crimes against humanity is a sensational topic made up by anti-China forces for the sake of suppressing China.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ren-orphaned-by-chinese-detention-papers-show
 
Huawei: Uighur surveillance fears lead PR exec to quit

One of Huawei's European communications chiefs has resigned from the Chinese firm over concerns about its role in the surveillance of Muslim Uighurs.

Tommy Zwicky had served as the firm's Danish vice-president of communications for six months.

It comes after internal Huawei documents were made public, which mentioned a "Uighur alarm" system that it had worked on with Chinese facial-recognition specialist Megvii in 2018.

Huawei said it opposed discrimination.

"We provide general-purpose connectivity products based on recognised industry standards, and we comply with ethics and governance systems around emerging technology," it told the BBC.

"We do not develop or sell systems that identify people by their ethnicity, and we do not condone the use of our technologies to discriminate against or oppress members of any community."

A spokeswoman for Megvii declined to comment, but the firm has previously said its systems are not designed to target or label specific ethnic groups.

It is believed that the Chinese government has detained up to a million Uighurs in Xinjiang province in what the state defines as "re-education camps".

Beijing has consistently denied mistreatment and says the camps are designed to stamp out terrorism and improve employment opportunities.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55332671
 
Alibaba says its technology won't target Uighurs

Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba has said it will not allow its technology to be used for targeting or identifying specific ethnic groups.

The statement follows reports that the company’s content moderation technology can pick out Uighur minorities.

Alibaba said it was “dismayed' that Alibaba Cloud developed facial technology that includes ethnicity as an attribute for tagging video imagery.

"We have eliminated any ethnic tag in our product offering," Alibaba said.

The firm said it never intended the technology to be used in this manner.

US-based surveillance industry researcher IPVM published a report on Wednesday that said software capable of identifying Uighurs appears in Alibaba’s Cloud Shield content moderation service for websites.

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US diplomats to boycott 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics

The US has announced a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing, China.

The White House said no official delegation would be sent to the games because of concerns about China's human rights record.

But it said US athletes could attend the games and would have the government's full support.

China has previously said it will take "resolute counter-measures" in the event of a boycott.

President Joe Biden said last month that he was weighing up a diplomatic boycott of the Games.

Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have called for the boycott as a means to protest against Chinese human rights abuses.The US has accused China of genocide towards the Uighurs - a Muslim minority group which lives mostly in the autonomous region of Xinjiang.

Tensions have also risen over the way China has acted to repress political freedoms in Hong Kong.

US diplomatic representation "would treat these games as business as usual" in the face of Beijing's "egregious human rights abuses and atrocities in Xinjiang," White House press secretary Jen Psaki told a daily press briefing.

"We simply can't do that."

China earlier threatened "countermeasures" if a boycott was announced.

"I want to stress that the Winter Olympic Games is not a stage for political posturing and manipulation," foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said at a regular press briefing.

"If the US is bent on having its own way, China will take resolute countermeasures," Mr Zhao said.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HRC51?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HRC51</a> | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a>, was REJECTED. <a href="https://t.co/ITbWnqQaKe">pic.twitter.com/ITbWnqQaKe</a></p>— UN Human Rights Council 📍 #HRC51 (@UN_HRC) <a href="https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India Abstained what a joke, next time India will be shown the door when China votes against India on UN matters.
 
Regarding Chinese treatment of Uighur, my position is this:

If they are oppressing Uighurs, I condemn it. If not, I condemn the naysayers.
 
Regarding Chinese treatment of Uighur, my position is this:

If they are oppressing Uighurs, I condemn it. If not, I condemn the naysayers.

So I’m guessing ‘IF’ is because you don’t whether it’s happening or not or your just choose ignore the news?
Because even Turkey has acknowledged the issue..
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HRC51?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HRC51</a> | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a>, was REJECTED. <a href="https://t.co/ITbWnqQaKe">pic.twitter.com/ITbWnqQaKe</a></p>— UN Human Rights Council &#55357;&#56525; #HRC51 (@UN_HRC) <a href="https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India Abstained what a joke, next time India will be shown the door when China votes against India on UN matters.

Why do you think they abstained?

is it because they are worried it can open up a can of worms regarding Kashmir, or through some loyalty towards China?

Interestingly its Europe & America - YES
ROW - No/Abstain
 
Why do you think they abstained?

is it because they are worried it can open up a can of worms regarding Kashmir, or through some loyalty towards China?

Interestingly its Europe & America - YES
ROW - No/Abstain

Non alignment probably, China regularly votes against India (aka Masood Azhar).

Literally last month China voted against India when they tried to blacklist someone lol
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HRC51?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HRC51</a> | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a>, was REJECTED. <a href="https://t.co/ITbWnqQaKe">pic.twitter.com/ITbWnqQaKe</a></p>— UN Human Rights Council 📍 #HRC51 (@UN_HRC) <a href="https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India Abstained what a joke, next time India will be shown the door when China votes against India on UN matters.

Kudos to Somalia the only Muslim country with a sense of Ummahhood.
 
Why do you think they abstained?

is it because they are worried it can open up a can of worms regarding Kashmir, or through some loyalty towards China?

Interestingly its Europe & America - YES
ROW - No/Abstain

Multiple reasons. This is a bad time to irritate China. Especially after the Ladakh skirmish has ended. Second, US ambassador went to AjK and this was a decent response. Third, it would be ironical if you support Uighurs when left liberal press is after Kashmir issue. Fourth, Nobody cares about Uighurs. Fifth, Historically India doesn't support resolutions against single countries. They usually abstain. This is especially with UNHRC regulations. India knows it's political
 
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Don't be an ostrich

Like I said, if they are oppressing Uighurs, I 500% condemn it. Why wouldn't I? Uighurs are Muslims.

However, I also believe there seem to be many propagandas against China. So, I am not sure what is true and what is not.

May Allah (SWT) keep Uighurs safe and sound. That's all I can say.
 
Like I said, if they are oppressing Uighurs, I 500% condemn it. Why wouldn't I? Uighurs are Muslims.

However, I also believe there seem to be many propagandas against China. So, I am not sure what is true and what is not.

May Allah (SWT) keep Uighurs safe and sound. That's all I can say.

He isn’t, though.
 
A delegation of muslim leaders visited china for this specific reason and found nothing to support the narrative of the west.
 
Like I said, if they are oppressing Uighurs, I 500% condemn it. Why wouldn't I? Uighurs are Muslims.

However, I also believe there seem to be many propagandas against China. So, I am not sure what is true and what is not.

May Allah (SWT) keep Uighurs safe and sound. That's all I can say.

The evidence isn't only overwhelming but borderline conclusive when it comes to what the Uighurs are subject to on a daily basis from the brutal Chinese regime.

You may not know this, but what you've said (in bold) makes you complicit and you'll be asked on the day of judgement by the Almighty Allah (SWT) as to why you gave the oppressors the benefit of the doubt.

This isn't about East vs West. We know you believe in conspiracy theories and side with the East because you've been programmed to believe that the only evil in this world comes from the West.

Learn to stand for truth and justice not the conspiracy theorists and the comedian scholars that you follow.
 
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The evidence isn't only overwhelming but borderline conclusive when it comes to what the Uighurs are subject to on a daily basis from the brutal Chinese regime.

You may not know this, but what you've said (in bold) makes you complicit and you'll be asked on the day of judgement by the Almighty Allah (SWT) as to why you gave the oppressors the benefit of the doubt.

This isn't about East vs West. We know you believe in conspiracy theories and side with the East because you've been programmed to believe that the only evil in this world comes from the West.

Learn to stand for truth and justice not the conspiracy theorists and the comedian scholars that you follow.

When you use terms like conspiracy theory you are showing your own bias unitentionally. What makes you think you stand for truth and justice as opposed to everyone else in the world?
 
When you use terms like conspiracy theory you are showing your own bias unitentionally. What makes you think you stand for truth and justice as opposed to everyone else in the world?

Because I don’t defend or look for excuses when it comes to the treatment of Uighur Muslims by the Chinese.

Duhh!
 
The Chinese are brutal man. Even their interviewees shut the audience down like gangsters. Mehdi is usually an idiot and wanna bully but even he can’t get the Chinese under any sort of pressure to acknowledge any brutality.



 
The Chinese are brutal man. Even their interviewees shut the audience down like gangsters. Mehdi is usually an idiot and wanna bully but even he can’t get the Chinese under any sort of pressure to acknowledge any brutality.



Mehdi is a complete waste of electrons. All he cares for is winning his argument. He has written a book about it as well, that no one is reading. The guy has been owned so many times, it is surprising he still has his career intact.
The only people who think he is great and unbeatable are islamofacists and their leftist supporters.
 
Mehdi is a complete waste of electrons. All he cares for is winning his argument. He has written a book about it as well, that no one is reading. The guy has been owned so many times, it is surprising he still has his career intact.
The only people who think he is great and unbeatable are islamofacists and their leftist supporters.


In a world where every news outlet anchor has to follow a certain agenda set by his organization, I have no issues with the bias part. But it’s him constantly interrupting his guests that gets on my nerves. Pause isn’t in his dictionary.
 
Mehdi is a complete waste of electrons. All he cares for is winning his argument. He has written a book about it as well, that no one is reading. The guy has been owned so many times, it is surprising he still has his career intact.
The only people who think he is great and unbeatable are islamofacists and their leftist supporters.

LOL. Mehdi is a good reporter.

But, I understand BJP Indians have a problem with him because he talks about Muslim issues.

Throwing around terms like "Islamofascists" or "leftist" show your immaturity.
 
LOL. Mehdi is a good reporter.

But, I understand BJP Indians have a problem with him because he talks about Muslim issues.

Throwing around terms like "Islamofascists" or "leftist" show your immaturity.
But Sweep Shot bro, can you give your latest thoughts on the muslim uyghur issue in China?

China is the real deal isn't it?

P.S. Mods can we have a Zakir Naik emoji ? :)
 
Like I said, if they are oppressing Uighurs, I 500% condemn it. Why wouldn't I? Uighurs are Muslims.

However, I also believe there seem to be many propagandas against China. So, I am not sure what is true and what is not.

May Allah (SWT) keep Uighurs safe and sound. That's all I can say.
What do you mean 'if' Sweep Shot bro?

You really are some piece of work, you will bend over backwards and even turn a blind eye to fit your narrative.

lol
 
What do you mean 'if' Sweep Shot bro?

You really are some piece of work, you will bend over backwards and even turn a blind eye to fit your narrative.

lol

I used "if" because there are lots of unknown/obscure variables.

America tries to paint Russia, China, and Iran badly and it is not a secret. I can't take American reports on Uighurs seriously when they themselves back Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

China showed support for Palestine and is allied with many Muslim countries.

It is why I used "if". If China is oppressing Uighurs, I definitely condemn without if and but. Uighurs are our Muslim brothers and sisters.
 
I used "if" because there are lots of unknown/obscure variables.

America tries to paint Russia, China, and Iran badly and it is not a secret. I can't take American reports on Uighurs seriously when they themselves back Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

China showed support for Palestine and is allied with many Muslim countries.

It is why I used "if". If China is oppressing Uighurs, I definitely condemn without if and but. Uighurs are our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Do you trust al-Jazeera journalism sweep shot bro ?.

😇
 
I used "if" because there are lots of unknown/obscure variables.

America tries to paint Russia, China, and Iran badly and it is not a secret. I can't take American reports on Uighurs seriously when they themselves back Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

China showed support for Palestine and is allied with many Muslim countries.

It is why I used "if". If China is oppressing Uighurs, I definitely condemn without if and but. Uighurs are our Muslim brothers and sisters.
"'IF", despite there being solid evidence to rule out doubts, is used to evade responsibility and create ambiguity.

China has every right to suppress secessionist movements. They are actually seculars, who will not see anyones religion if they are posing any threat to China.
 
Yes. I love Al-Jazeera. They are good.
If you "love" al Jazeera, then here you go - straight from the horse's mouth :


Enough or do you need more ??
 
Pakistan will discuss all issues related to Muslims in China behind close doors. :pmik

We don't get to see it, but President Xi always falls on Pak PM's feet begging for mercy. China never lets the real News out.
 
If you "love" al Jazeera, then here you go - straight from the horse's mouth :


Enough or do you need more ??

Thanks. I hope to check these out.

This is a tricky issue as China seems pro-Palestine and has good relations with almost all Muslim states.

Anyway, I believe China is not anti-Islam. They are anti-separatist. They don't like Xinjiang separatism, Tibetan separatism etc. China doesn't go after Han Chinese Muslims I believe.

I hope this Xinjiang issue will be resolved and China will do the right thing.
 
Thanks. I hope to check these out.

This is a tricky issue as China seems pro-Palestine and has good relations with almost all Muslim states.

Anyway, I believe China is not anti-Islam. They are anti-separatist. They don't like Xinjiang separatism, Tibetan separatism etc. China doesn't go after Han Chinese Muslims I believe.

I hope this Xinjiang issue will be resolved and China will do the right thing.
China does not give 2 hoots about Palestine. They are anti-Israel.

Tomorrow if USA decides to support Palestinians, China will support Israel.

China is anti-religion. They only tolerate Islam because they know they can use Muslim countries as useful idiots against USA.

Its global politics and Muslim countries are being played by China. They never support directly. Always behind the curtains.

Uygher issue will not be solved until Islam is wiped out from there. Their population will dwindle in the coming decades. Uygher women are marrying into Hun Chinese men. Eventually they all become Hun chinese. The youth are getting re-educated by CCP on their culture and religion. Anyone who opposes will disappear without a trace.
 
Perhaps it's the Indian government, given how many Indians appear hyper-concerned and incessantly urge Pakistanis to speak out more about the Uyghur issue.
It's unlikely. I've seen their rhona dhona over the years here.

Now even with a self proclaimed divine leader at the helm its just the status quo.
 
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