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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China has agreed to supply Pakistan with coronavirus vaccine in a deal that also would allow vaccine trials to take place there ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/SaeedShah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SaeedShah</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/sJhShYzwRp">https://t.co/sJhShYzwRp</a></p>— Bill Spindle (@BillSpindle) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillSpindle/status/1293954872694448129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Concerned authorities need to be very cautious about Vaccine Trials. Shouldn't commit to expand number of Volunteers beyond 200. Thats more than enough.
 
Chinese made vaccines.... Trial on Pakistanis....

How does fellow pakistani feel about this?
 
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China to supply potential coronavirus vaccine to Pakistan: WSJ report

China will supply a coronavirus vaccine candidate developed by a unit of the China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm) to Pakistan as part of a trial agreement, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

State-owned Sinopharm is set to work with the University of Karachi on vaccine trials, according to the WSJ report, which said Pakistan will receive enough doses early in distribution to vaccinate about one-fifth of its population.

The initial doses will be used to vaccinate the most vulnerable among the Pakistani population including the elderly, healthcare workers and people with medical conditions associated with serious cases of Covid-19, the report added.

Earlier in April, Sinopharm had invited the National Institute of Health (NIH), Islamabad, to collaborate in conducting clinical trials of its inactivated vaccine for Covid-19 in Pakistan.

In a letter sent to NIH Executive Director Maj Gen Dr Aamer Ikram, the general manager of China Sinopharm International Corp., Li Can, had expressed the hope that "a successful clinical trial in Pakistan will make it one of [the] first few countries for the launch of a Covid-19 vaccine".

Dr Ikram had then told Dawn.com that although clearances were needed for the purpose, the collaboration could be "a great thing for Pakistan".

Meanwhile, researchers have said that Sinopharm's coronavirus vaccine candidate appeared to be safe and triggered antibody-based immune responses in early and mid-stage trials.

The candidate has already moved into a late-stage trial, one of a handful of candidates being tested on several thousand people to see if they are effective enough to win regulatory approval.

Sinopharm is testing the potential vaccine in the United Arab Emirates in a Phase 3 trial expected to recruit 15,000 people, as China has too few new cases to be a useful trial site.

The shot did not cause any serious side effects, according to a paper published on Thursday in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) by scientists who are part of Sinopharm and other China-based disease control authorities and research institutes.

The results were based on data from 320 healthy adults in Phase 1 and 2 trials.

The candidate triggered robust antibody responses in inoculated people, but it remained unknown if that was sufficient to prevent Covid-19 infection, researchers developing the vaccine said in the paper.

Sinopharm's chairman told state media last month that a potential vaccine could be ready by the end of this year with Phase 3 testing expected to be completed in about three months.

The novel coronavirus, which has killed more than 750,000 people globally, has prompted a race to develop a vaccine. More than 150 candidate vaccines are being developed and tested around the world.

Russia became the first country to grant regulatory approval to a vaccine after less than two months of human testing, and a shot developed by Chinese firm CanSino Bilogics has been cleared for use in the military.

China is leading the development of at least eight vaccine candidates in different stages of clinical trials.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1574356/c...al-coronavirus-vaccine-to-pakistan-wsj-report
 
Chinese made vaccines.... Trial on Pakistanis....

How does fellow pakistani feel about this?

They have trials in Europe, U.A.E and Canada as well.

I see no reason to not trust them with this. They will have to employ the same scientific principles as everyone else.
 
They have trials in Europe, U.A.E and Canada as well.

I see no reason to not trust them with this. They will have to employ the same scientific principles as everyone else.

Direct question. Do you trust the pharma from china?
 
Relevance?

You were asking if we trust pharma from China, but your country seems to trust them well enough to have 2/3rds of your API imported from there, despite having a rocky relationship.
 
You were asking if we trust pharma from China, but your country seems to trust them well enough to have 2/3rds of your API imported from there, despite having a rocky relationship.

Importing is one thing, but i think when conducting vaccine trials you have to follow some ethical guidelines etc and that would be a concern
 
You were asking if we trust pharma from China, but your country seems to trust them well enough to have 2/3rds of your API imported from there, despite having a rocky relationship.

ok. I will wait for other people to answer.
 
Importing is one thing, but i think when conducting vaccine trials you have to follow some ethical guidelines etc and that would be a concern

That's what my concerns are. Pakistan won't have any control over the end product. Since, China has to prove a point to the world, they will go to any extent to build that image. Will that drive bring damage to other countries?
 
:)))

Not sure why Indians are now concerned about Pakistanis taking any Chinese vaccine. Nice of them I guess.

Pakistan has handled this 'pandemic' very well. IK can hold his head up high unlike clowns such as Trump, Boris and Modi.

Be it atheism, Hinduism or Islam or Christianity.... every path leads to caring about other people even with their differences. I don't know why it is surprising for you that people may become friends even with their differences in opinions. You and I can be good friends if we studied/worked together. who knows?
 
Be it atheism, Hinduism or Islam or Christianity.... every path leads to caring about other people even with their differences. I don't know why it is surprising for you that people may become friends even with their differences in opinions. You and I can be good friends if we studied/worked together. who knows?

:)))
Then why are you upset about Vaccine-Volunteers because "Caring about other people" is what Vaccine-Volunteers do
 
:)))
Then why are you upset about Vaccine-Volunteers because "Caring about other people" is what Vaccine-Volunteers do

I'll disagree with your assumption but you are entitled to hold your opinion. We can agree to disagree.
 
API is a raw material, the finished product is quality controlled in India.

API needs to pass quality standards too. And India’s reliance on dodgy Chinese API producers is not smart. Moreover, Indian Pharmas aren’t known for their quality of processes/products either. Always up to something dodgy.
 
API needs to pass quality standards too. And India’s reliance on dodgy Chinese API producers is not smart. Moreover, Indian Pharmas aren’t known for their quality of processes/products either. Always up to something dodgy.

Your post is irrelevant here same as the ones with API. Because these drugs aren't strictlyquestioned on in terms of API or quality of end product. Let assume China did all the homework in terms of short term effects. But what about long term? Till Jan, 2020 no one even knew about covid yet now, there won't be one person in the world who probably wouldn't have heard.

The question is based upon conflict of interest. During Covid, there are two institutions whose repitation has raised many questions. WHO and China. In order to bring the reputation to past, will they ignore many aspects in trial? These questions wouldn't have been an issue had the country was anyone except china.
 
Your post is irrelevant here same as the ones with API. Because these drugs aren't strictlyquestioned on in terms of API or quality of end product. Let assume China did all the homework in terms of short term effects. But what about long term? Till Jan, 2020 no one even knew about covid yet now, there won't be one person in the world who probably wouldn't have heard.

The question is based upon conflict of interest. During Covid, there are two institutions whose repitation has raised many questions. WHO and China. In order to bring the reputation to past, will they ignore many aspects in trial? These questions wouldn't have been an issue had the country was anyone except china.

I was just commenting specifically on what Joshila bhai wrote. As someone who’s worked in the API industry, I couldn’t resist the temptation to share my thoughts.
 
I was just commenting specifically on what Joshila bhai wrote. As someone who’s worked in the API industry, I couldn’t resist the temptation to share my thoughts.

Oh. didn't know that. you are more than welcome then :)

So you can perhaps shed more details in to API. what's the "active" in API means actually? Does it mean these are the ingredients that helps in actual effects of the medicine? or something different?
 
Oh. didn't know that. you are more than welcome then :)

So you can perhaps shed more details in to API. what's the "active" in API means actually? Does it mean these are the ingredients that helps in actual effects of the medicine? or something different?
Thank you. Yes. These are the ingredients that have therapeutic value.
 
API needs to pass quality standards too. And India’s reliance on dodgy Chinese API producers is not smart. Moreover, Indian Pharmas aren’t known for their quality of processes/products either. Always up to something dodgy.

A lot of it is just ** to put a check on Indian Pharma companies in western markets ..past few months FDA has conveniently eased scrutiny because of shortage in US lol
 
A lot of it is just ** to put a check on Indian Pharma companies in western markets ..past few months FDA has conveniently eased scrutiny because of shortage in US lol

I didn’t say anything about FDA and I don’t want to comment on what FDA does. What I wrote is from my own experience of working at one of India’s leading players.
 
Pakistan agree to Phase 3 trials to test coronavirus vaccines

BEIJING: China National Biotec Group (CNBG) and Sinovac Biotech Ltd said on Saturday four more countries have agreed to run late-stage clinical tests of their coronavirus vaccine candidates, as China steps up its efforts in the global race.

Serbia and Pakistan are among the new countries agreeing to Phase 3 trials, as the two companies seek more data overseas amid dwindling new cases in China.

Serbia will test two vaccines developed by CNBG’s Wuhan and Beijing units, and Pakistan will test the Beijing unit’s candidate, the company told Reuters.

CNBG’s Phase 3 trials are expected to involve 50,000 people in about 10 countries, said CNBG vice president Zhang Yuntao. Trials have already begun in United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Peru, Morocco, Argentina and Jordan.

Zhang said foreign countries have expressed interest in ordering a combined 500 million doses of its vaccines.

CNBG is expected to be able to produce 300 million doses of vaccine a year once it upgrades manufacturing techniques, and is working on a plan to raise its annual capacity to 1 billion doses, Zhang said.

Sinovac’s vaccine candidate CoronaVac, being tested in Brazil and Indonesia, also obtained approvals from two other countries for Phase 3 trials, said Helen Yang, senior director of global strategy and business development at Sinovac.

She declined to name the countries as the information is still confidential.

While the final stage of trials are still underway to prove the vaccines are safe and effective, China has already authorized the vaccine candidates from Sinovac and CNBG for emergency use for those in high-risk groups such as medical workers.

Several tens of thousand people have already taken CoronaVac through the emergency programme, Sinovac’s Yang said.

CNBG will soon begin providing its vaccines to Chinese staffers working in overseas embassies and consulates, Zhang said.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4001...o-phase-3-trials-to-test-coronavirus-vaccines
 
Phase 3 trials for CanSino vaccine against Covid-19 to begin in Pakistan this month

Falling Covid-19 infection numbers in Pakistan will not affect a Phase 3 clinical trial for a potential vaccine being developed by China’s CanSino Biologics , which is expected to begin this month, according to officials running the trial.

The official drug regulator last month gave the go-ahead for the country’s first Phase 3 clinical trial for CanSino’s candidate, Ad5-nCoV, which will be led by the National Institute of Health (NIH) along with pharmaceutical company AJM — the local representative of CanSino.

“We are planning to launch the project on September 20, or at the latest within this month,” Hassan Abbas Zaheer, who is heading the trial for AJM, told Reuters.

The Ad5-nCoV vaccine and placebo injections are due to be received next week.

Daily positive cases in Pakistan peaked at more than 6,000 in June, but have since fallen sharply, with only 426 confirmed new cases detected on September 8 — taking its total to 299,659 and 6,359 deaths.

Zaheer said the low positive rates did not indicate Covid-19 was no longer present in the country, and the potential for people vaccinated in the trial to be infected was still adequate for testing their immunity.

“We feel people are still getting infected but not getting tested, so the virus is still there,” he said.

Currently, between 20,000 to 30,000 Covid-19 tests are held across the country on a daily basis.

Aamer Ikram, Executive Director of the NIH, told Reuters that officials believed the prevalence of the virus in Pakistan was low, despite the low testing rate, but researchers had a plan in place for the trial.

“We have been strategising with CanSino on how to make sure people who are more exposed to the virus are recruited for volunteers, so we will be targeting front-line workers who have more chances of exposure.”

The Ad5-nCoV trial will recruit around 8,000 volunteers, most of whom will be health workers. They will be recruited over a four-month period and be followed for 12 months after receiving the vaccine or placebo.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1578754/p...inst-covid-19-to-begin-in-pakistan-this-month
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bahrain has participated in phase III clinical trials, in which more than 7,700 volunteers signed up<a href="https://t.co/Iod7TsHUkT">https://t.co/Iod7TsHUkT</a></p>— Gulf Business (@GulfBusiness) <a href="https://twitter.com/GulfBusiness/status/1338063180409548800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UAE approves China's Sinopharm vaccine against <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a> after phase 3 trials. Some key findings:<br>➡️ 86% efficacy<br>➡️ highly effective in preventing moderate and severe cases<br>➡️ no serious safety concerns<a href="https://t.co/PBQqlOiYE5">https://t.co/PBQqlOiYE5</a></p>— Chinese Embassy in US (@ChineseEmbinUS) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/1336751203175247873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Well, if we believe the claims of China being responsible for C19 and initiating global biological warfare, it stands to reason China's vaccine will be more effective.
 
People are taking Chinese vaccinations all over the place - think needless fuss being created.
 
People are taking Chinese vaccinations all over the place - think needless fuss being created.

People all over the world are reluctant to take Chinese jab because of lack of transparency. Chinese pharmaceutical haven’t released the data of phase-3 trials and want people to just ‘blindly trust them’. I would rather have no vaccine than trust these Chinese. People in Pakistan would not trust Chinese vaccine as well if they have a choice of vaccines(Pfizer, Moderna, or Oxford) to chose from.

Good thing we have Pfizer and Moderna in Canada.
 
People are taking Chinese vaccinations all over the place - think needless fuss being created.

Only a few countries have approved chinese vaccine.

Europe and North America hasnt.

India hasnt. Nepal and BD has requested India for vaccine.

If someone wants to take Chinese vaccine, its their wish, i am glad that Indian government hasnt approved it and we will be getting the Astra zeneca vaccine and in couple of weeks Pfizer and the indigenous Indian vaccine.
 
Only a few countries have approved chinese vaccine.

Europe and North America hasnt.

India hasnt. Nepal and BD has requested India for vaccine.

If someone wants to take Chinese vaccine, its their wish, i am glad that Indian government hasnt approved it and we will be getting the Astra zeneca vaccine and in couple of weeks Pfizer and the indigenous Indian vaccine.

thought india is getting it from the uk
 
thought india is getting it from the uk

No.All of the vaccine that India will use will be produced in India.

The Aztra Zeneca vaccine will be produced by the serum Institute of India, world's largest vaccine maker.

The Bharat Biotech vaccine will be produced in India by Bharat Biotech only. 20mn doses will go to BD.

Pfizer will produce its vaccine in India in its own facility.

The govt is looking for a production facility for the Moderna vaccine.

There are few more Indian companies with vaccines at various stages of trial.

India will likely make the highest number of vaccines, and not import any, rather export.
 
Only a few countries have approved chinese vaccine.

Europe and North America hasnt.

India hasnt. Nepal and BD has requested India for vaccine.

If someone wants to take Chinese vaccine, its their wish, i am glad that Indian government hasnt approved it and we will be getting the Astra zeneca vaccine and in couple of weeks Pfizer and the indigenous Indian vaccine.

So you are distrusting a fairly well circulated vaccine developed in China, while promoting an unheard of vaccine "developed" in India. Seems like outsourcing manufacturing is moving to Indian sweatshops from Romania and Bangladesh. Not sure if that is what the Brexiteers envisaged when they voted out of the EU.
 
People all over the world are reluctant to take Chinese jab because of lack of transparency. Chinese pharmaceutical haven’t released the data of phase-3 trials and want people to just ‘blindly trust them’.

Good thing we have Pfizer and Moderna in Canada.
That just isn't true, the interim results of trial 3 for Sinovac just came out and it's 79% effective, the full results of trial 3 will be reported soon.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chines...tive-interim-phase-3-results-show-11609317186


I would rather have no vaccine than trust these Chinese. People in Pakistan would not trust Chinese vaccine as well if they have a choice of vaccines(Pfizer, Moderna, or Oxford) to chose from.

Pakistan is planning to get vaccines from more than one company, so Pakistanis will have a choice - it just so happens that there's a longer waitlist for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as the rich countries have already pre-ordered most of them.
 
Only a few countries have approved chinese vaccine.

Europe and North America hasnt.

India hasnt. Nepal and BD has requested India for vaccine.

If someone wants to take Chinese vaccine, its their wish, i am glad that Indian government hasnt approved it and we will be getting the Astra zeneca vaccine and in couple of weeks Pfizer and the indigenous Indian vaccine.

lol the UAE and Bahrain have already approved the Chinese vaccine and these are the same countries millions of Indians flock to work as slaves because they offer better pay and jobs that are short in India.
 
lol the UAE and Bahrain have already approved the Chinese vaccine and these are the same countries millions of Indians flock to work as slaves because they offer better pay and jobs that are short in India.

My fiancée live in Dubai and it’s not mandatory for expats to take covid vaccine. As of now both Chinese and Pfizer vaccines are available to take and expats can choose which they would take if any. She and her colleagues are strictly against Chinese version as lack of transparency is pushing people away. Just cause government/rulers of Middle East have approved vaccine doesn’t mean it’s people are forced to take it. You make no sense in your post.
 
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My fiancée live in Dubai and it’s not mandatory for expats to take covid vaccine. As of now both Chinese and Pfizer vaccines are available to take and expats can choose which they would take if any. She and her colleagues are strictly against Chinese version as lack of transparency is pushing people away. Just cause government/rulers of Middle East have approved vaccine doesn’t mean it’s people are forced to take it. You make no sense in your post.
Yeah I make no sense but you lied about there being no phase 3 trial for chinese vaccines :))
 
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That just isn't true, the interim results of trial 3 for Sinovac just came out and it's 79% effective, the full results of trial 3 will be reported soon.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chines...tive-interim-phase-3-results-show-11609317186




Pakistan is planning to get vaccines from more than one company, so Pakistanis will have a choice - it just so happens that there's a longer waitlist for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as the rich countries have already pre-ordered most of them.

I read an article on Bloomberg where Chinese pharma which are owned by Chinese govt, didn’t released the data. In Brazil more than 40% of its citizens are against Chinese vaccine for the very reason. Pfizer and Moderna won’t be really ideal for Asian countries due to its ultra cold storage requirements which is why Oxford vaccine along with SIT( Indian pharma) got closed to 3.7 billion dosage order as it is cheap(Rs600/dose for Indians at least) and doesn’t require ultra cold storage. Ideal for poor nations in Sub continent and Africa. Chinese vaccines may very well be effective as they claim, it just people don’t really trust them that easy at least not here in Canada and more so in US. I always knew Pakistan will acquire vaccine from China due to their close collaboration on other areas plus people in India-Pakistan won’t be able to afford Pfizer or Moderna.
 
Yeah I make no sense but you lied about there being no phase 3 trial for chinese vaccines :))

I never claimed they never conducted phase 3 trials, I only mentioned they didn’t publish the data(at least not 2 days ago when I read Bloomberg).
 
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Wouldn't trust a country that is sterilising Muslims in their own region.
 
I would never take Russian Sputnik but if I was in Pakistan and Chines vaccine was my only choice , I would have no problem in taking it. China is making ore than one vaccine and I know all of them were in phase three trials months ago in countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil and UAE and I think Pakistan also.
 
It does not work that quick.. also two doses are required..

You’re right. There was a case in US as well where a nurse was tested positive 8days after taking first dose of covid vaccine. It takes at least 12-13 days after both doses for vaccine to work.
 
No.All of the vaccine that India will use will be produced in India.

The Aztra Zeneca vaccine will be produced by the serum Institute of India, world's largest vaccine maker.

The Bharat Biotech vaccine will be produced in India by Bharat Biotech only. 20mn doses will go to BD.

Pfizer will produce its vaccine in India in its own facility.

The govt is looking for a production facility for the Moderna vaccine.

There are few more Indian companies with vaccines at various stages of trial.

India will likely make the highest number of vaccines, and not import any, rather export.

well the vaccine was created here in the uk,its just aztra zeneca manufacturer it in india- you know what i meant and the bharat biotech vaccine didnt show its 3rd trials and was rushed:

could you please explain this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-55526123
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nisation-drive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1781886.html

Indian would never rush a job - only china and its puppets will rush it
 
Wouldn't trust a country that is sterilising Muslims in their own region.

As oppossed to US/UK vaccines of nations who bombed Muslim children with chemical weapons?

I would never take Russian Sputnik but if I was in Pakistan and Chines vaccine was my only choice , I would have no problem in taking it. China is making ore than one vaccine and I know all of them were in phase three trials months ago in countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil and UAE and I think Pakistan also.


Why? Because Dr Fauci said it's not safe?
 
Mr. King Khan

Would you take the Chinese vaccine if given the choice to show the ultimate love and adoration for your Supreme Leader Xi "winnie the pooh" jinping
 
Mr. King Khan

Would you take the Chinese vaccine if given the choice to show the ultimate love and adoration for your Supreme Leader Xi "winnie the pooh" jinping

I dont need to take any Covid vaccine, i prefer to keep my immune system strong. No vaccine , Chinese or Irish is guarantee to work and we dont know the long term side effects.
 
As oppossed to US/UK vaccines of nations who bombed Muslim children with chemical weapons?




Why? Because Dr Fauci said it's not safe?

Russia is where China used to be 3 decades or so ago. International health community would not believe any research work/trials/study coming from China at that time . But China has earned lots of respect now and have a done great progress in field of medicine . Most of the early work/trials regarding covid 19 treatment came from China and west followed them.

Medical information are available to everyone, not restricted to Dr Fauci only.
 
Russia is where China used to be 3 decades or so ago. International health community would not believe any research work/trials/study coming from China at that time . But China has earned lots of respect now and have a done great progress in field of medicine . Most of the early work/trials regarding covid 19 treatment came from China and west followed them.

Medical information are available to everyone, not restricted to Dr Fauci only.

UK scientists dont agree with you. They are even talking of mixing the two.

UK and Russian scientists are teaming up to trial a combination of the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Sputnik V vaccines to see if protection against Covid-19 can be improved.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55273907
 
As oppossed to US/UK vaccines of nations who bombed Muslim children with chemical weapons?

I will primarily judge a state by how they treat their citizens. The west is by no means perfect but I would trust a democracy than a brutal dictatorship.

I've learnt with experience that in the real world there is evil and less evil.
 
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I will primarily judge a state by how they treat their citizens. The west is by no means perfect but I would trust a democracy than a brutal dictatorship.

I've learnt with experience that in the real world there is evil and less evil.

Your choice but China is rising, its citizens are coming out of poverty, while UK and US citizens are getting poorer and poorer. Besides these vaccines are made by big pharma. Either way NO vaccine has been trailed enough to ensure no long term health issues. Reports are coming out daily of people suffering from taking the vaccine. I wouldnt take any vaccine from any nation.
 
I will primarily judge a state by how they treat their citizens. The west is by no means perfect but I would trust a democracy than a brutal dictatorship.

I've learnt with experience that in the real world there is evil and less evil.

That makes sense for a UK citizen, but on the whole Pakistan has had a much more reliable and prosperous partnership with China than it has with most western companies, so they would probably trust Chinese vaccine ahead of any produced in France or the USA.
 
Your choice but China is rising, its citizens are coming out of poverty, while UK and US citizens are getting poorer and poorer. Besides these vaccines are made by big pharma. Either way NO vaccine has been trailed enough to ensure no long term health issues. Reports are coming out daily of people suffering from taking the vaccine. I wouldnt take any vaccine from any nation.

China have been tipped by forecasters to overtake the US as the largest economy in the world but in my eyes they have a long way to go before they can be viewed as a first world country. They need to embrace the values and freedoms that we enjoy in the west such as liberty, tolerance, democracy and etc.

As for the vaccine, I don't want to take it not because I don't trust the vaccine companies and politicians but because I worry about the side effects. Having said all that I'm fed up with all these lockdowns, I just want my life back and I'm sure if I don't take the vaccine, I'll be restricted from working, travelling and etc, so I'm going to take it and leave the rest in the hands of the Almighty.
 
That makes sense for a UK citizen, but on the whole Pakistan has had a much more reliable and prosperous partnership with China than it has with most western companies, so they would probably trust Chinese vaccine ahead of any produced in France or the USA.

The other issue I have with China is their lack of transparency, as we saw first hand this time last year with how they kept trying to hide the outbreak in their country until it got out of control. By then it was too late.

I would be less inclined to leave the fate of my health in the hands of the Chinese given their track record.
 
The other issue I have with China is their lack of transparency, as we saw first hand this time last year with how they kept trying to hide the outbreak in their country until it got out of control. By then it was too late.

I would be less inclined to leave the fate of my health in the hands of the Chinese given their track record.

So would I because like you I am British. But if I was Pakistani I would take good relations built over half a century as some form of guarantee to the quality of the vaccine that would be shared between the two countries. Your opinion doesn't really mean much in context.

As Mamoon has just pointed out above, Brits have bombed Muslims using our tax money all very recently.
 
Shanghai doctor Tao Lina claimed that Sinopharm's jab had 73 side effects:

A Chinese doctor has caused controversy after calling the country's COVID-19 vaccine 'the most unsafe in the world'.

Dr Tao Lina, a vaccine expert from Shanghai, pointed out to his 4.8million social media followers on Tuesday that the jab developed by Beijing's state-run drugmaker Sinopharm had 73 side effects.

After his remarks were widely reported outside mainland China, the medical worker today denied having criticised the vaccine and denounced foreign media outlets for 'twisting' and 'exploiting' his words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Sinopharm-COVID-19-vaccine-unsafe-world.html
 
So would I because like you I am British. But if I was Pakistani I would take good relations built over half a century as some form of guarantee to the quality of the vaccine that would be shared between the two countries. Your opinion doesn't really mean much in context.

As Mamoon has just pointed out above, Brits have bombed Muslims using our tax money all very recently.

But are they persecuting Muslims in the UK?

The Chinese on the other hand are. If they are going out of their way to sterilise Muslims, they should be last people I'd trust for a vaccine.
 
But are they persecuting Muslims in the UK?

The Chinese on the other hand are. If they are going out of their way to sterilise Muslims, they should be last people I'd trust for a vaccine.

But no one is asking you to trust Chinese for a vaccine, you aren't a Pakistani so you will have better options. What do you suggest Pakistanis do to combat the virus if not take the Chinese vaccine? Suddenly find billions of dollars to buy in from Pfizer and wait in line for maybe 6 months to a year until the other western countries have been supplied first?
 
Think about Pakistan and Pakistanis first. Get the vaccine even if comes from Israel .
 
But no one is asking you to trust Chinese for a vaccine, you aren't a Pakistani so you will have better options. What do you suggest Pakistanis do to combat the virus if not take the Chinese vaccine? Suddenly find billions of dollars to buy in from Pfizer and wait in line for maybe 6 months to a year until the other western countries have been supplied first?

Yeah with just 50% efficacy you still support Pakistan's decision to opt for the Chinese vaccine?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-55642648
 
I think Imran would happily opt for nearby options if nearby options were also open to trade and sports relations.

This is an emergency life saving cause. Btw pakistan continues to import medicines from the near by option.
 
Yeah with just 50% efficacy you still support Pakistan's decision to opt for the Chinese vaccine?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-55642648

I support Pakistan's decision to make their own choices. If they can afford Pfizer and secure enough supply immediately rather than wait in line for 12 months then that is obviously the better option. In fact it's a great option if you are living in La La Land.

In the real world though they will have to go for what their budget allows and they are able to secure from co-operative countries.
 
This is an emergency life saving cause. Btw pakistan continues to import medicines from the near by option.

This shows Pakistan does not have a small minded petty mentality. Would be better if India themselves could show ability to look beyond narrow and selfish focus.
 
This shows Pakistan does not have a small minded petty mentality. Would be better if India themselves could show ability to look beyond narrow and selfish focus.

Through war and peace, India has been a net exporter of downstream crude, pharmaceuticals and foodstuffs to all its neighbouring countries, Pakistan included.
 
50% efficacy is also good. if 100% population gets vaccinated. But the challenge will be to get the population vaccinated, as many are anti vaxxers.

The last people I'd trust with the vaccine is the Chinese given their track record in human rights and how they covered up the emergence of the pandemic in their country in the first place.

On top of that their vaccine is only half as effective as the Pfizer one.

If Pakistan can't afford a western based vaccine then I hope he will buy it from India instead.
 
The last people I'd trust with the vaccine is the Chinese given their track record in human rights and how they covered up the emergence of the pandemic in their country in the first place.

On top of that their vaccine is only half as effective as the Pfizer one.

If Pakistan can't afford a western based vaccine then I hope he will buy it from India instead.

Pakistan should buy from india so that indians try to shame pakistanis for using their vaccine (assuming pakistanis agree to get vaccinated by one from india)?

Pakistan is doing the right thing, as they will get it quick and cheap, and if it is good for chinese, it is good for anyone. In future, there is always the option of getting one from western countries.
 
Through war and peace, India has been a net exporter of downstream crude, pharmaceuticals and foodstuffs to all its neighbouring countries, Pakistan included.

Yes your saffron clad compatriot already mentioned India does business with Pakistan when it suits them. It's a start.
 
Yes your saffron clad compatriot already mentioned India does business with Pakistan when it suits them. It's a start.

I wonder which country does business with Pakistan when it doesn't suit them.
 
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