Chinese Foreign Minister Speech, raises Kashmir issue at UNGA

[Lonewarrior]

United Nations, Sep 28 (IANS) Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi raised the Kashmir issue in the UN General Assembly.

He said the Kashmir issue is a "dispute left from the past, and should be properly and peacefully resolved based in accordance with the UN Charter, UN Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreements".

"No actions that would unilaterally change the status quo should be taken.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/china-raises-kashmir-issue-at-un/1629185

 

[JaDed]

Atleast they have more balls than we do, we couldn’t say zilch about Hong Kong or Tibet and inspite of housing Tibet, Xinjang and Hong Kong issues Chinese still have raised the issue of Kashmir.

 

[MenInG]

Atleast they have more balls than we do, we couldn’t say zilch about Hong Kong or Tibet and inspite of housing Tibet, Xinjang and Hong Kong issues Chinese still have raised the issue of Kashmir.

Its called knowing who's boss

 

[Mamoon]

This shameless hypocrisy deserves the same treatment as the other Muslims in the Chinese detention camps.

 

[Slog]

This shameless hypocrisy deserves the same treatment as the other Muslims in the Chinese detention camps.

Yea but it’s china.

When China speaks the world has to listen

 

[Itachi]

Most people here is anti India than pro Muslim or pro humanity.

If you think India is evil, by same logic, China is even more evil.

This is what all were saying all along the way. Pakistanis who are supporting Kashmir in the name of Islam or humanity is nothing but a facade to cover up the anti India agenda.

Anti India agenda is still OK. Just accept it instead of hiding behind those two causes.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Most people here is anti India than pro Muslim or pro humanity.

If you think India is evil, by same logic, China is even more evil.

This is what all were saying all along the way. Pakistanis who are supporting Kashmir in the name of Islam or humanity is nothing but a facade to cover up the anti India agenda.

Anti India agenda is still OK. Just accept it instead of hiding behind those two causes.

kashmir is a disputed land and have the UN resolution between pak-ind.
chinese issue isnt disputed and not even in UN.

 

[Itachi]

kashmir is a disputed land and have the UN resolution between pak-ind.
chinese issue isnt disputed and not even in UN.

So let me get this right using the logic you are giving.

Humanitarian issues or abuse against Muslims is NOT OK AS LONG AS IT IS IN A DISPUTED LAND.

but if it is inside a non disputed land, all is OK?

 

[Lonewarrior]

So let me get this right using the logic you are giving.

Humanitarian issues or abuse against Muslims is NOT OK AS LONG AS IT IS IN A DISPUTED LAND.

but if it is inside a non disputed land, all is OK?

no its not ok, and we have talks with china about this issue. anything else ?

 

[Lonewarrior]

When ? IK has in 2 interviews pleaded ignorance about Chinese Muslims !!!

so i need to spoon feed you all the time ?

during the Q&A session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma417QtQHsM

 

[Itachi]

no its not ok, and we have talks with china about this issue. anything else ?

Lonewarrior, I hope you won't try to evade the issue in hand here like you did above.

On one hand, a part of Muslims in China is facing much worse situation than the situation faced by Muslims in Kashmir (I am taking the situation as it is portrayed by Pakistani pov, I am not even taking Indias version). But all you did was "talk" and remain silent at UN and even supported China.

On the other hand, in case of Kashmir, where Muslims are better in condition compared to Chinese ones (even by your description), you will raise the issue in UN.

It proves simply one fact.

Being Muslim isn't the driving force here.

Being human isn't the driving force here. Otherwise one can assume lives of people in Kashmir are more valuable as Muslims or human than those living in china which is against what Islam teaches and you, as a Muslim shouldn't follow this path.

If I exclude above, only one reason is left which is cause differential treatment between Muslims in Kashmir and China.

I. E. Anti India agenda.

 

[Slog]

Lonewarrior, I hope you won't try to evade the issue in hand here like you did above.

On one hand, a part of Muslims in China is facing much worse situation than the situation faced by Muslims in Kashmir (I am taking the situation as it is portrayed by Pakistani pov, I am not even taking Indias version). But all you did was "talk" and remain silent at UN and even supported China.

On the other hand, in case of Kashmir, where Muslims are better in condition compared to Chinese ones (even by your description), you will raise the issue in UN.

It proves simply one fact.

Being Muslim isn't the driving force here.

Being human isn't the driving force here. Otherwise one can assume lives of people in Kashmir are more valuable as Muslims or human than those living in china which is against what Islam teaches and you, as a Muslim shouldn't follow this path.

If I exclude above, only one reason is left which is cause differential treatment between Muslims in Kashmir and China.

I. E. Anti India agenda.

It just shows your naïveté if you can figure out the difference here.

Kashmir is disputed territory claimed by Pakistan. Xinjiang in China isn’t

 

[Lonewarrior]

Lonewarrior, I hope you won't try to evade the issue in hand here like you did above.

On one hand, a part of Muslims in China is facing much worse situation than the situation faced by Muslims in Kashmir (I am taking the situation as it is portrayed by Pakistani pov, I am not even taking Indias version). But all you did was "talk" and remain silent at UN and even supported China.

On the other hand, in case of Kashmir, where Muslims are better in condition compared to Chinese ones (even by your description), you will raise the issue in UN.

It proves simply one fact.

Being Muslim isn't the driving force here.

Being human isn't the driving force here. Otherwise one can assume lives of people in Kashmir are more valuable as Muslims or human than those living in china which is against what Islam teaches and you, as a Muslim shouldn't follow this path.

If I exclude above, only one reason is left which is cause differential treatment between Muslims in Kashmir and China.

I. E. Anti India agenda.

first of all, i will tell you whats our priorities as pakistani.
we need to resolve our dispute with india first according to UN.
and the Palestine which is also in UN. it should be resolve.

after that issues like, Yemen, we try to convey the message to KSA and we didnt took a part in war. KSA is as important as China for us.
Ugyhurs, we also talked about this with China. even with some kind of leverage ,see Imran khan interview with CFR.
Rohingya, we have talked about with Myanmar.

Its looks like Anti-India agenda becoz you are the only one which we have fought 2 wars. not with others. you are a threat. as simple as that.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Atleast they have more balls than we do, we couldn’t say zilch about Hong Kong or Tibet and inspite of housing Tibet, Xinjang and Hong Kong issues Chinese still have raised the issue of Kashmir.

Its called knowing who's boss

So true. India is very meek when it comes to facing China. Has been this way since Nehru's time. Most Indians, even the hyper-nationalists are ashamed to compare us with the Chinese, we are way behind. Gap is growing wider every passing day.

China is moving ahead in areas like artificial intelligence and robotics while India distracts itself by talking about temples and mosques as our ex navy chief said recently. Our priorities are wrong.

 

[Itachi]

It just shows your naïveté if you can figure out the difference here.

Kashmir is disputed territory claimed by Pakistan. Xinjiang in China isn’t

I'll ask again.

Does value of a Muslims life in disputed area holds more value than the value of a Muslims life in non disputed area?

 

[Itachi]

first of all, i will tell you whats our priorities as pakistani.
we need to resolve our dispute with india first according to UN.

These priorities are set by Pakistani people or UN?

 

[Lonewarrior]

These priorities are set by Pakistani people or UN?

is kashmir related to Middle east region ? obviously its a pakistani priority.

 

[Pakistanian]

Atleast they have more balls than we do, we couldn’t say zilch about Hong Kong or Tibet and inspite of housing Tibet, Xinjang and Hong Kong issues Chinese still have raised the issue of Kashmir.

Well India did give refuge to the Dalai Lama and Tibetan separatists.

 

[JaDed]

Well India did give refuge to the Dalai Lama and Tibetan separatists.

And has Dalai Lama promoted any sort of violence against Chinese Army?

 

[JaDed]

Its called knowing who's boss

Yup, plus we share a huge border with them, wonder if we didn’t have a border we would have more balls against them.

Japs are the only one who somehow don’t give a hoot about Chinese, they have such self belief that inspite of all that Japanese has done to Chinese , Chinese still don’t even try to bother Japan, unlike other South east Asian states where China keeps meddling

 

[Slog]

I'll ask again.

Does value of a Muslims life in disputed area holds more value than the value of a Muslims life in non disputed area?

No.

But for Pakistan one region holds more value since it is considered part of Pakistan for us. It’s natural to care more for people you consider your countrymen. I think you would agree with that, no?

 

[Mamoon]

No.

But for Pakistan one region holds more value since it is considered part of Pakistan for us. It’s natural to care more for people you consider your countrymen. I think you would agree with that, no?

I think after 72 years, Pakistan and the people should finally decide what they truly want and clear the confusion and the contradiction in our stance.

Do we want Kashmir to become a part of Pakistan or do we want them to be independent? Or do we want them to decide for themselves but hopefully they will choose us over independence. We seem to flip between the three alternatives on daily basis.

 

[Itachi]

is kashmir related to Middle east region ? obviously its a pakistani priority.

you are advocating two different aspects.

1. You need to speak for muslims.
2. You need to sort out the UN resolution.
3. Keep silence about Chinese muslims.

you are advocating for 1 & 2 but not for 3 (which itself negates the point no. 1).

you stated:

Ugyhurs, we also talked about this with China. even with some kind of leverage ,see Imran khan interview with CFR.

but look at the latest interview from 17:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpfaJtrTMfc

where Imran himself denied any talks with chinese gov with regards to condition of chinese muslims.

So whom should i believe? you or Imran?

He himself is showing his double standard in this case.

 

[Itachi]

No.

But for Pakistan one region holds more value since it is considered part of Pakistan for us. It’s natural to care more for people you consider your countrymen. I think you would agree with that, no?

If i were a muslim, i wouldn't have agreed to that.

If i were a muslim, it will be muslim first because this "countryman" concept is from a man made system. Whether it is a muslim from africa or pakistan or iran or libya or china, all should be viewed from equal eyes of dignity and respect irrespective of what type interest or conflicts that may occur later on.

As you have already mentioned, you feel close to kashmir muslims because ties with pakistan.... But as a muslim, you shouldn't make differential treatment based upon nationality because otherwise what's the purpose of voicing for muslims if you opt for differential treatment on the basis of locality?

and it is a irony that, me, an atheist, had to remind other muslims about the philosophy.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Thing with China is you know it has the greater good of the mankind in its heart.

Even if some Muslims are being hurt in Chinese provinces you know that the end result will be a prosperous and thriving region for all people.

With India the problem is not fascism only but the fact that despite being fascists the BJP government cannot promise the growth and prosperity delivered by Hitler or China.

For the cause of greater good even I am willing to sacrifice my soul.

Please burn my home if you promise to make a bullet train track on it.

We must look beyond

 

[Slog]

If i were a muslim, i wouldn't have agreed to that.

If i were a muslim, it will be muslim first because this "countryman" concept is from a man made system. Whether it is a muslim from africa or pakistan or iran or libya or china, all should be viewed from equal eyes of dignity and respect irrespective of what type interest or conflicts that may occur later on.

As you have already mentioned, you feel close to kashmir muslims because ties with pakistan.... But as a muslim, you shouldn't make differential treatment based upon nationality because otherwise what's the purpose of voicing for muslims if you opt for differential treatment on the basis of locality?

and it is a irony that, me, an atheist, had to remind other muslims about the philosophy.

When you become Muslim you can ascribe to that line of thinking and I’ll appreciate you got it.

Till then you should refrain from giving free advice because no one cares or asked for it

 

[Itachi]

When you become Muslim you can ascribe to that line of thinking and I’ll appreciate you got it.

Till then you should refrain from giving free advice because no one cares or asked for it

you asked for my opinion.

It’s natural to care more for people you consider your countrymen. I think you would agree with that, no?

and when i gave one, you didn't like it. Neither you stated if there's anything wrote with what i wrote except me being a kafir. I don't know what you actually tried to portray here.