Clash of the Captains: Who’ll be a better (Test and ODI) captain, Babar Azam or Quinton de Kock?

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Babar is 26, and Quinton 27. Both have been appointed all formats captain recently.

Both immense potential with the bat

Quinton will captain the test team for the first time, at home against SL

Babar will captain the test team for the first time, at home against SA.

Will captaining in all formats affect their batting?
Who’ll be a better captain?
Who’ll be a better decision maker
Who’ll be a better leader

Both teams are at their lowest and raw kings are similar

Test
SA 6
Pak 7

ODI
SA 5
Pak 6

T20i
Pak 4
SA 5

The only diff is SA has good pacers at its disposal

Can they improve their teams rankings ? Quite a responsibility on the young shoulders

 

[Mamoon]

A captain is only as good as his team. South Africa will be among the top sides within a few years while Pakistan cricket is only going down.

As a result, there is no point in comparing captaincy for records of two captains when one captain is leading a top side and the other captain is leading a team that is barely hovering above minnow level.

This thread is unfair to Babar. As captain, he should only be judged by his individual performances.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

A captain is only as good as his team. South Africa will be among the top sides within a few years while Pakistan cricket is only going down.

As a result, there is no point in comparing captaincy for records of two captains when one captain is leading a top side and the other captain is leading a team that is barely hovering above minnow level.

This thread is unfair to Babar. As captain, he should only be judged by his individual performances.

If Babar wants to make a name for himself he must take decisions as a leader. Again the measure of the captain is not just defined by winning, it’s also about what he can do on the field, how aggressive he’s. How much control he’s over the selections. How much is he willing to take the risks. Also bringing the best out of the available resources

 

[Mamoon]

If Babar wants to make a name for himself he must take decisions as a leader. Again the measure of the captain is not just defined by winning, it’s also about what he can do on the field, how aggressive he’s. How much control he’s over the selections. How much is he willing to take the risks. Also bringing the best out of the available resources

These measures are subjective. Those who like Babar will praise him using these measures and those who dislike him will use these measures as a stick to beat him up with.

The only measure that is not subjective is the team results. You win or you lose, it is objective.

The biggest problem in Pakistan cricket is fan expectations. Perhaps all sports teams in the world and not just cricket, the gap between the expectations of the fans and the actual capability of the team is the biggest in Pakistan.

That is why our fans are always bashing coaches, selectors and captains instead of accepting the truth that our players aren’t good enough.

In Pakistan, you can only make name for yourself as a captain if you win. We are an emotional nation and we cannot praise captaincy when we lose and acknowledge that the captaincy was good but the team is incapable.

Fleming established himself as an acclaimed captain of New Zealand for over a decade even though at no point was New Zealand among the very best sides in the world. They have produced superior players in the last 10 years than they did in the late 90’s and early 2000s.

But the New Zealand fans recognized the limitations of their team and accepted that they didn’t have the resources to compete with the likes of Australia and South Africa, so they were open to praising his captaincy even if New Zealand were not always winning.

Pakistani fans do not give this luxury and breathing space to their captains because they do not recognize the limitations of their team. Perhaps it is denial, perhaps it is lack of understanding of cricket. Perhaps it is both.

One whitewash in an overseas series or one home defeat to a top team and people will be calling for his head and blaming his captaincy.

To be a Pakistani coach, selector or captain is to take on a thankless job. You are expected to perform miracles or else you are out.

That is why Babar needs to focus on scoring loads of runs because that will shield him from getting axed. It was the same for Misbah in ODIs, where he status as the best batsman in the team prevented PCB from sacking him in spite of Pakistan losing nearly 90% of ODI matches against the top sides in his reign.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

A captain is only as good as his team. South Africa will be among the top sides within a few years while Pakistan cricket is only going down.

As a result, there is no point in comparing captaincy for records of two captains when one captain is leading a top side and the other captain is leading a team that is barely hovering above minnow level.

This thread is unfair to Babar. As captain, he should only be judged by his individual performances.

These measures are subjective. Those who like Babar will praise him using these measures and those who dislike him will use these measures as a stick to beat him up with.

The only measure that is not subjective is the team results. You win or you lose, it is objective.

The biggest problem in Pakistan cricket is fan expectations. Perhaps all sports teams in the world and not just cricket, the gap between the expectations of the fans and the actual capability of the team is the biggest in Pakistan.

That is why our fans are always bashing coaches, selectors and captains instead of accepting the truth that our players aren’t good enough.

In Pakistan, you can only make name for yourself as a captain if you win. We are an emotional nation and we cannot praise captaincy when we lose and acknowledge that the captaincy was good but the team is incapable.

Fleming established himself as an acclaimed captain of New Zealand for over a decade even though at no point was New Zealand among the very best sides in the world. They have produced superior players in the last 10 years than they did in the late 90’s and early 2000s.

But the New Zealand fans recognized the limitations of their team and accepted that they didn’t have the resources to compete with the likes of Australia and South Africa, so they were open to praising his captaincy even if New Zealand were not always winning.

Pakistani fans do not give this luxury and breathing space to their captains because they do not recognize the limitations of their team. Perhaps it is denial, perhaps it is lack of understanding of cricket. Perhaps it is both.

One whitewash in an overseas series or one home defeat to a top team and people will be calling for his head and blaming his captaincy.

To be a Pakistani coach, selector or captain is to take on a thankless job. You are expected to perform miracles or else you are out.

That is why Babar needs to focus on scoring loads of runs because that will shield him from getting axed. It was the same for Misbah in ODIs, where he status as the best batsman in the team prevented PCB from sacking him in spite of Pakistan losing nearly 90% of ODI matches against the top sides in his reign.

First of all I couldn’t read everything (as I am working). But yes I agree only winning is objective. But yes you get what I mean tho. For those who want to praise him based on some random “good” things about his captainship, doesn’t make him good if he isn’t good

 

[Greenstorm]

Babar is not captaincy material and he will lose captaincy once a better option emerges.

 

[KoyoAli]

Babar is not captaincy material and he will lose captaincy once a better option emerges.

Define me "captaincy material". And you are living in La-La land if you think Babar will lose his captaincy. As long as Babar's personal form doesn't decline dramatically, he is here to stay.

 

[Mamoon]

(Q) How to impress our with fans captaincy?

(A) always have a lot of slips. You will be known as an “aggressive” captain.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

(Q) How to impress our with fans captaincy?

(A) always have a lot of slips. You will be known as an “aggressive” captain.

It was funny

 

[Hyperion66]

I am no one to judge but Quinton just doesn't give out the leadership vibes even Babar doesn't for that matter but at least it is an established fact that he is the best player in his team and that ensures a certain amount of loyalty in the dressing room which is absolutely essential for subcontinental teams.

As for the questions raised in the OP, I think both will do bang average jobs with Babar to get more press due to being from Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

QDQ may not even play international cricket after the age of 30. I don't think he will hang around for too long if South Africa continue to mess up with their Quota system rubbish. He can make plenty of money around the world from the age of 30-40 even if he gives up his central contract with CSA, as long as he remains fit.

 

[Ab Fan]

The two brightest talents the game is having now and the two best Under-30 batsmen going around currently with all due respect to KL Rahul who is also immensely gifted batsman.

Unfortunately, Babar Azam and Quinton de kock may not instill enough confidence as far as captaincy is concerned but as long as they continue to inspire their team by performing with the bat on a consistent basis and making impact in terms of winning or losing the game, one shouldn't bother about their leadership skills.

The world is eager to see how they lead their team and contribute with the bat for their country in the next 5-6 years.

 

[ChTab]

Babar will captain the test team for the first time, at home against SA.

Actually Babar's 1st assignment as test captain is away series vs NZ.

 

[Hasan123]

Both will be brilliant captains. De Kock will probably have the better ratio in terms of wins as he has a stronger team but Babar will do a good job as Pakistan captain. Babar will get a lot of runs as captain as he is now entering his peak years.

 

[Mamoon]

QDQ may not even play international cricket after the age of 30. I don't think he will hang around for too long if South Africa continue to mess up with their Quota system rubbish. He can make plenty of money around the world from the age of 30-40 even if he gives up his central contract with CSA, as long as he remains fit.

Not everyone is like de Villiers who used the quota system as a pretext to justify his premature retirement from international cricket and spend more time with his family and play golf while earn his bread through IPL and franchise cricket.

De Villiers didn’t want to be bound by a central contract and that is why kept going back and forth over his availability for South Africa.

Hopefully De Kock will prove to be a bigger man and recognize what he means to South African cricket. He is arguably the best WK batsman they have ever produced and has the opportunity to captain the side in all formats for a very long time.

He is also indispensable. Even if CSA decides that they will only pick one white player in the playing XI, he will be the one who will get picked every time. Along with Rabada, he is CSA’s most prized asset today.

 

[RyanRyan10]

QDK will
He is the only established player in SA side who is a captaincy material. He will continue unless SA move to 7th/8th in the rankings.

Babar will be made scapegoat for every defeat which Pakistan fans would not expect. Grouping against him will be formed and there will also be pressure from media. All these factors will lead to his sacking.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

A captain is only as good as his team. South Africa will be among the top sides within a few years while Pakistan cricket is only going down.

As a result, there is no point in comparing captaincy for records of two captains when one captain is leading a top side and the other captain is leading a team that is barely hovering above minnow level.

This thread is unfair to Babar. As captain, he should only be judged by his individual performances.

Your cowardice has reached to such a point that you have become absolutely delusional.

You would rate every other neeli peeli associate side, let alone South Africa to have a better future than us so you dont have to attach any positive expectations from Pakistan.
In the past I have seen you do this with Afghanistan and Bangladesh so it isn't like I am assuming.

Pakistan cricket's dark times coincided with the country's dark era where we had looters and traitors leading us.
Everything degenerated, be it the economy, the culture/morals, as well as the security situation.

Cricket was by no means independent of this damage and from 2008-2018 we saw extreme mediocrity in our cricket where we stopped producing any worthwhile cricketers and were practically the most boring cricket team around; playing an extremely outdated brand of cricket, that too on somebody else's shores and literally nobody wanted to watch us, heck not even our own fans.

We have always been proud about our fast bowling culture and legacy, yet we had Anwar Ali, Rahat and Bhatti playing as front line pacers during this era.

It was almost like a punishment from the Almighty and these were signs for us to get our act together.
And now that there is effort being put in to get the country together, as well as its cricket, i can see divine help coming in as well.

From nowhere, Babar Azam has established himself as a world class batsman, the thought of which was inconceivable 4, 5 years ago.
Had anybody asked Mamoon whether this could have been possible 5 years ago, and you know what he would have said.

Suddenly there are about 10-15 new talented young pacers that have emerged out of nowhere, which has quickly made people forget the days of having Saad Altaf, Sadaf Hussain and Asad Ali lining up to be international hopefuls.

The domestic system which was full of only
mediocre uncles, has beens and trundlers is no longer irrelevant.
There is co-ordination and self correction in the system and from nowhere we have a litany of upcoming young talented batsmen, which was inconceivable before, to the point that guys like Bilal Asif, and Sahibzada Farhan were handed Pakistan caps because of the desperation to find someone half decent.
I can go on and on, about these signs and I am sure most of the others here can see this as well.

Therefore guys, you dont have to listen to a coward. Pakistan cricket has a fantastic future and as the decade progresses, these signs will start amounting to quantifiable achievements.

The age of mediocrity is over. What you need to do now is observe patience and have faith.

 

[MenInG]

Your cowardice has reached to such a point that you have become absolutely delusional.

You would rate every other neeli peeli associate side, let alone South Africa to have a better future than us so you dont have to attach any positive expectations from Pakistan.
In the past I have seen you do this with Afghanistan and Bangladesh so it isn't like I am assuming.

Pakistan cricket's dark times coincided with the country's dark era where we had looters and traitors leading us.
Everything degenerated, be it the economy, the culture/morals, as well as the security situation.

Cricket was by no means independent of this damage and from 2008-2018 we saw extreme mediocrity in our cricket where we stopped producing any worthwhile cricketers and were practically the most boring cricket team around; playing an extremely outdated brand of cricket, that too on somebody else's shores and literally nobody wanted to watch us, heck not even our own fans.

We have always been proud about our fast bowling culture and legacy, yet we had Anwar Ali, Rahat and Bhatti playing as front line pacers during this era.

It was almost like a punishment from the Almighty and these were signs for us to get our act together.
And now that there is effort being put in to get the country together, as well as its cricket, i can see divine help coming in as well.

From nowhere, Babar Azam has established himself as a world class batsman, the thought of which was inconceivable 4, 5 years ago.
Had anybody asked Mamoon whether this could have been possible 5 years ago, and you know what he would have said.

Suddenly there are about 10-15 new talented young pacers that have emerged out of nowhere, which has quickly made people forget the days of having Saad Altaf, Sadaf Hussain and Asad Ali lining up to be international hopefuls.

The domestic system which was full of only
mediocre uncles, has beens and trundlers is no longer irrelevant.
There is co-ordination and self correction in the system and from nowhere we have a litany of upcoming young talented batsmen, which was inconceivable before, to the point that guys like Bilal Asif, and Sahibzada Farhan were handed Pakistan caps because of the desperation to find someone half decent.
I can go on and on, about these signs and I am sure most of the others here can see this as well.

Therefore guys, you dont have to listen to a coward. Pakistan cricket has a fantastic future and as the decade progresses, these signs will start amounting to quantifiable achievements.

The age of mediocrity is over. What you need to do now is observe patience and have faith.

You are assuming that comments are being made based upon careful consideration of domestic games etc - clearly this is not the case.

 

[Titan24]

Both of them are young in their roles but their circumstances are almost opposite.

QDK already has and will be facing a lot of problems with quota rules where he will have to build team around them. As per some sources quota number is going even upwards. Even if we assume that within few years SA will have tons of players of colour, I dont think much will happen QDK tenure. Morale of the SA team is down and that can be seen from any latest post match presentation. White players sometimes are not feeling welcomed anymore while some players of colour have to face dilemma of whether they are actually good enough or are playing just because of quota. Overall a tough task for QDK ahead, he looked promising in his first series but looked pretty down in the last series vs Eng.

On the other hand Babar has become captain at a decent enough time when Pak team has some decent young players coming through and cricket now back in Pakistan is a big thing so if he plays his cards right he can improve Pak team and can flourish in the role. He is best player in the side and possibly one of the most powerful figures in Pak cricket as of now. His personal performances are up and his morale is high.

So irrespective of leadership skills both the young captains are facing totally opposite circumstances.

 

[Madplayer]

A captain is only as good as his team. South Africa will be among the top sides within a few years while Pakistan cricket is only going down.

As a result, there is no point in comparing captaincy for records of two captains when one captain is leading a top side and the other captain is leading a team that is barely hovering above minnow level.

This thread is unfair to Babar. As captain, he should only be judged by his individual performances.

Came in here to write this.

Babar should not be held accountable for the team's performance because the team isnt that greatto begin with. However, his tactics, field placements etc can be observed.

 

[Greenstorm]

Define me "captaincy material". And you are living in La-La land if you think Babar will lose his captaincy. As long as Babar's personal form doesn't decline dramatically, he is here to stay.

Someone who has his own philosophy and approach towards the game, who does not act as coach's proxy on the field. Someone who does not select Usman Qadir just because he is his buddy or someone who cannot remove non performing seniors.

Babar is captain currently because he is the only player in the squad whose place is guaranteed. Even a franchise side KK (with late Dean Jones) did not deemed him fit enough to captain their side.

 

[Markhor]

I don't like getting drawn into comparisons especially when I haven't seen much of De Kock's captaincy.

However Babar, for all his individual brilliance, has yet to demonstrate any tactical acumen. Can someone point out any great feats of captaincy as U19, domestic or LOI skipper ?

The planning for the Super Over against Zimbabwe suggested was farcical.

 

[Markhor]

Someone who has his own philosophy and approach towards the game, who does not act as coach's proxy on the field. Someone who does not select Usman Qadir just because he is his buddy or someone who cannot remove non performing seniors.

Babar is captain currently because he is the only player in the squad whose place is guaranteed. Even a franchise side KK (with late Dean Jones) did not deemed him fit enough to captain their side.

The great captains like Lloyd, Border, Imran, Ranatunga, Nasser, Fleming and McCullum all had a vision for their team. Did they always get it right ? No, but you knew what to expect from their sides. Even Misbah, for all his faults, had a brand of cricket he wanted to play - to make us harder to beat especially at home.

I've no idea what brand of cricket Babar wants to play beyond the usual platitudes about positivity and aggression. Does he have the bottle to take tough, unpopular decisions ? What group of players does he wish to work with to achieve that brand of cricket ? Does he understand the growing importance of data and analytics ?

He's proven to be terrific at analysing his own game, as captain however you need to analyse the game of 10 other players. Let's see how he fares.

 

[Firebat]

Not completely convinced by either, but it's still too early to say. Just feels like both sides needed to change captain and dumped it on their best player.

 

[Rana]

Not completely convinced by either, but it's still too early to say. Just feels like both sides needed to change captain and dumped it on their best player.

It’s CSA’s way of keeping QDQ interested. At least he gets to call all the shots now. The natural leader was Rabada.

 

[KoyoAli]

Someone who has his own philosophy and approach towards the game, who does not act as coach's proxy on the field. Someone who does not select Usman Qadir just because he is his buddy or someone who cannot remove non performing seniors.

Babar is captain currently because he is the only player in the squad whose place is guaranteed. Even a franchise side KK (with late Dean Jones) did not deemed him fit enough to captain their side.

Usman Qadir's selection being influenced by Babar is strictly your opinion. So that is out of this argument. Babar hasn't been Captain for a few months yet. Not sure how he can be written off that quick. The only reason he is being criticized is because of Pakistan Teams poor performance across the board. Even Sarfraz's shouting used to be honey to many people's ears when Pakistan was no.1 in the t20s and had won the Champion Trophy.

There is nothing Babar can not learn on the job and no one exists who can play as a Captain. You are a player first and Captain second. The best player in the team instills the most confidence and respect. Babar is a very keen learner who has been improving every day. There is a reason why he is always scoring runs and never getting found out. He learns and improves. Babar the captain is here to stay and it is about time people accept it.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar doesn’t have the luxury to impose any brand of cricket.

There is only one brand that we can play - it is called mediocrity.

 

[hitthestump]

Babar has shown next to no capabilities as a leader so far. He has had the entire 'senior' team in his ear throughout and has never been able to make his own decisions.

We have a rotten senior culture in Pakistan and anyone who has played a few games thinks they're entitled to run the show, and everyone else is supposed to let them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Babar eventually starts thanking Hafeez bhai and Malik bhai during post match presentations.

 

[MMHS]

QDK needs to leave WKeeping if he wants a long-term Captaincy, particularly for Test cricket. He is good enough batsman to earn a spot in playing XI, therefore doesn't need the extra protection of being the WK.
I think, he'll be a fantastic Captain if he is allowed to stay for long. But, I am afraid, he is like a stop-gap and probably made Captain because Rabada wasn't ready or not willing to take the charge.

Babar's biggest challenge will be to maintain personal form, leading a struggling side, particularly as a batsman - captain. Also, he'll be under constant pressure from PAK former players, media & fans for unreal expectations. Tactically, he'll struggle as well because this is something you learn gradually - he has the poorest back-room support in cricket world including some associates and he won't get any space to hide behind his Coach (es) when team is under the sledgehammer. This is where, most of the successful Captains had the advantage - even Lloyd started with a 1-5 drubbing in Australia, but WICB persisted with him ..... and here we read from "passionate" fans, how Misbah's selection didn't help PAK drawing series in Australia.....

Overall, I won't have appointed Babar as Test Captain, not at least in next 2 years and I won't have appointed QDK in Test as long as he is Keeping in Test. I hope, Test Captaincy doesn't cost Babar a chance to lead 2023 WC.

 

[shamaan]

The great captains like Lloyd, Border, Imran, Ranatunga, Nasser, Fleming and McCullum all had a vision for their team. Did they always get it right ? No, but you knew what to expect from their sides. Even Misbah, for all his faults, had a brand of cricket he wanted to play - to make us harder to beat especially at home.

I've no idea what brand of cricket Babar wants to play beyond the usual platitudes about positivity and aggression. Does he have the bottle to take tough, unpopular decisions ? What group of players does he wish to work with to achieve that brand of cricket ? Does he understand the growing importance of data and analytics ?

He's proven to be terrific at analysing his own game, as captain however you need to analyse the game of 10 other players. Let's see how he fares.

I am pretty much sure he made the decision not to include asif ali when he tried playing a big shot when babar was at the creese he had ago at him and after that we havent seen him in the team. You can only play a brand of cricket once the coach is on the same wave length.

 

[shamaan]

Someone who has his own philosophy and approach towards the game, who does not act as coach's proxy on the field. Someone who does not select Usman Qadir just because he is his buddy or someone who cannot remove non performing seniors.

Babar is captain currently because he is the only player in the squad whose place is guaranteed. Even a franchise side KK (with late Dean Jones) did not deemed him fit enough to captain their side.

The coach philosophy needs to be simiar to the captain you cant have two different philosophy

 

[ask_analyse_act]

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said captain is only as good as his team. If Babar can build a strong team under him and he will be regarded as the best.. If he bends on having the seniors and relying on them to help then he will fail..

Babar within 1 year into his captaincy should man up and voice to drop the non-performing seniors if they are just there because of their seniority and not performance...

He should back the young and performing players to build the core of the team...
Should find players to give them a permanent spot and fill in the gaps the seniors will make once they are dropped or retired..
Who does this best will be the better TEST and ODI captain..

In the batting department he has

Imam, Haider, Abdullah Shafique, Zeeshan malik, Rohail Nazir and Hussain talat now

In the bowling department he has

Shaheen, hasnain, haris , musa,

 

[Greenstorm]

Usman Qadir's selection being influenced by Babar is strictly your opinion. So that is out of this argument. Babar hasn't been Captain for a few months yet. Not sure how he can be written off that quick. The only reason he is being criticized is because of Pakistan Teams poor performance across the board. Even Sarfraz's shouting used to be honey to many people's ears when Pakistan was no.1 in the t20s and had won the Champion Trophy.

There is nothing Babar can not learn on the job and no one exists who can play as a Captain. You are a player first and Captain second. The best player in the team instills the most confidence and respect. Babar is a very keen learner who has been improving every day. There is a reason why he is always scoring runs and never getting found out. He learns and improves. Babar the captain is here to stay and it is about time people accept it.

I hope that for Pakistan's sake, Babar manages 'to learn on job', though it is unlikely.

QDK is a similar case and does not look like captaincy material either.

 

[Greenstorm]

The coach philosophy needs to be simiar to the captain you cant have two different philosophy

Cricket is captain's game. Coach should never influence on field decisions and captain should be given priority in team selection as well.

Misbah has a habit of surrounding himself with weak minded achay bachay who cannot stand up to him. He is now appointing such players as captain so that they can act as his proxy. Now, I am not saying that Babar is weak minded, he will end up as Pakistan's best ever batsman but I don't see a captain in him. The added responsibility will only hamper is batting.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

My prediction is that de Kock as captain will be failure and will be sacked once South Africa realize they had a natural leader in Aiden Markram all along.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Babar seems like the kind of player who won't let captaincy faze his batting. Pakistan could be losing but Babar's job won't be in jeopardy. Atleast for the foreseeable future.

 

[shamaan]

Babar seems like the kind of player who won't let captaincy faze his batting. Pakistan could be losing but Babar's job won't be in jeopardy. Atleast for the foreseeable future.

I totally agree i dont think it will faze his batting

 

[shamaan]

Cricket is captain's game. Coach should never influence on field decisions and captain should be given priority in team selection as well.

Misbah has a habit of surrounding himself with weak minded achay bachay who cannot stand up to him. He is now appointing such players as captain so that they can act as his proxy. Now, I am not saying that Babar is weak minded, he will end up as Pakistan's best ever batsman but I don't see a captain in him. The added responsibility will only hamper is batting.

Yes thats how it should be but i think firld placing the captain always sets that but team selection i think misbah has a big say as hes a senior and you csnt disrespect your olders.personally i dont think it will hamper his batting thier was no other player who is garranted starter in all three formats

 

[shamaan]

As [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said captain is only as good as his team. If Babar can build a strong team under him and he will be regarded as the best.. If he bends on having the seniors and relying on them to help then he will fail..

Babar within 1 year into his captaincy should man up and voice to drop the non-performing seniors if they are just there because of their seniority and not performance...

He should back the young and performing players to build the core of the team...
Should find players to give them a permanent spot and fill in the gaps the seniors will make once they are dropped or retired..
Who does this best will be the better TEST and ODI captain..

In the batting department he has

Imam, Haider, Abdullah Shafique, Zeeshan malik, Rohail Nazir and Hussain talat now

In the bowling department he has

Shaheen, hasnain, haris , musa,

He already got rid of asif ali but it will take time and we must back him 100 percent hes needs a coach who will let him express himself dont think misbah will let him

 

[sharmaji]

I wish both of them the best. I think they are not natural leaders, but hopefully they prove me wrong.

QDK has additional constraint of Quota system, it will be difficult for him to balance the quotas and winning matches. They could have gone with Rabada as captain; he looks more confident, assertive and articulate than QDK anyway.

Also, if it were up to me, I would have made Imad Wasim as Pakistan captain for T20s and ODIs.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Both are not very good.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Both are not very good. Kane Williamson and Eoin Morgan are the two best captains today. Karunaratne looks to be a reachable and good leader as well.

 

[MenInG]

Cricket South Africa indeed threw a massive surprise by appointing Quinton de Kock the Test captain for the upcoming season that includes series against Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Australia. CSA director Graeme Smith already announced earlier this year that they won’t give Quinton de Kock the Test captaincy, having already being in-charge of the white-ball sides. But former South African pacer Allan Donald claims that the keeper-batsman was the obvious choice.

Quinton de Kock has produced mixed results as the Proteas’ limited-overs captain. Under the swashbuckling left-handed batsman, South Africa lost two T20I series to England and one to Australia but has swept the latter in ODIs once along with drawing the leg against the reigning world champions – all of which happened last year. De Kock’s assignment as the red-ball captain begins with two-match Test rubber against Sri Lanka.

Allan Donald understands that Graeme Smith and the selectors are aiming to create stability in the environment currently by having Quinton de Kock lead in all the versions. Donald added that the 27-year old is an obvious choice.

“I know Graeme (Smith, Cricket SA Director of Cricket) and the selectors are looking to create stability in the environment and having Quinton lead across formats for the moment ensures that. It’s the obvious choice,” Donald told IOL Sport.

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket...sed-quinton-de-kock-appointment-test-captain/

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Actually Babar's 1st assignment as test captain is away series vs NZ.

There’s a high chance it’ll be at home (due the injury)

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Interesting series coming up.
DeKock has better resources, whereas Babar and his men playing at their home

 

[Firebat]

Excited to see these 2 young captains clash. Feel like there's a parallel to be drawn between both having the captaincy thrust onto them due to being their country's brightest talents.

Babar is lucky his first ever series as Test captain is at home against a fellow inexperienced captain.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

One thing is already conclusive. Quinton is a very poor reviewer

 

[Firebat]

On the eve of this 2nd Test, Mark Boucher has said QdK will be released from the "burden" of captaincy.

Babar's first Test series as captain turns out to be QdK's last (for now). Wasn't a very exciting Clash of the Captains.

 

[Rana]

A clash that lasted 2 Tests and QDQ is crying already

 

[Thunderbolt14]

On the eve of this 2nd Test, Mark Boucher has said QdK will be released from the "burden" of captaincy.

Babar's first Test series as captain turns out to be QdK's last (for now). Wasn't a very exciting Clash of the Captains.

Came to this thread to say Quinton de Kock will probably be kicked out very soon.

 

[ManFan]

QDK never struck me as intelligent and Babar as emotionally strong.

Peas in a pod; meek with passive-aggressive tendencies and a sensitive foreground.

 

[Rana]

QDQ may not even play international cricket after the age of 30. I don't think he will hang around for too long if South Africa continue to mess up with their Quota system rubbish. He can make plenty of money around the world from the age of 30-40 even if he gives up his central contract with CSA, as long as he remains fit.

I’ve been watching this sport for long enough. He will most likely retire from all international cricket by 30

Plenty of money to be made playing IPL and the hundred for the next 10 years