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Cocaine traces found from Raza Hasan's blood test - Likely to face a ban [Update post # 147]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>Left arm spinner Raza Hasan who has played 11 times for Pakistan has failed a drugs test. He's likely to receive a ban from PCB <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/581868074430803969">March 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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O god thats bad,,

Young career getting hurt,

Pcb should take strong step's and a bad is a good sign,,

simply to show that you are taking step's against such things,
 
Should be banned for 4-5 years at the minimum. Let him rot out the good part of his career.
 
What an idiot. We have had how many players being sanctioned left and right, and even after all that, still players do not learn. People will continuously associate cheaters with Pakistan, and honestly when every day someone new is doing something else, why should be hide from that label. Shame on him.
 
What can we do ?? Seriously.
Take them to a mental hospital??

I mean the degree of dumbness to a point where the brain still manages to persuade you to take drugs after the examples of Asif and Shoib Akhtar are right in front of you!!
Mind boggling stuff, really!
 
Its amazing how Pakistan cricket manages to be so exciting at all times.

Ben in this forum for 1.5 years and never a dull moment here.

Something or the other will be happening or something will be brewing up waiting to explode.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Its amazing how Pakistan cricket manages to be so exciting at all times.

Ben in this forum for 1.5 years and never a dull moment here.

Something or the other will be happening or something will be brewing up waiting to explode.
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It's pathetic. Right when Amir is back on the verge of returning, trying to set the standard straight, finally go down a decent path, and someone has to do something to bring us right back to square one.
 
I think before jumping to conclusions, there are many questions to answer:

1. Was it sample A or B? If only A, then wait for B and news should not have been leaked. If B as well, he is in trouble.
2. Are there any mitigating factors? Wrong medicine, contaminated meat, unknowingly doped by coach etc

I am not defending him or looking for silver linings. He could be an offender for all I know but until proven guilty, calls for him to be hanged should be put on hold.
 
First of all pcb should kept secret these things , second should be ban for lets say 3 months and do rehablitation for him.
 
H2O1 said:
First of all pcb should kept secret these things , second should be ban for lets say 3 months and do rehablitation for him.
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PCB did not disclose this - this was leaked to the media and now they have to confirm it.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
I think before jumping to conclusions, there are many questions to answer:

1. Was it sample A or B? If only A, then wait for B and news should not have been leaked. If B as well, he is in trouble.
2. Are there any mitigating factors? Wrong medicine, contaminated meat, unknowingly doped by coach etc

I am not defending him or looking for silver linings. He could be an offender for all I know but until proven guilty, calls for him to be hanged should be put on hold.
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Calls for him to be hanged?

You're right, could be wrong, but it is a case of boy and wolf. Rarely if ever do these things come out wrong, so he did fail the test. Now it depends what he failed it for.

If it is some sort of performance enhancing substance, should be out for a while, if it is marijuana or opium, then he's just stupid.

I guess we will wait and see.
 
paves the way for Zafar

sort of feel for Raza, this particular incident is just wrong but that broken back curtailed his career
 
Performance enhancing drugs, is it? This should not be treated lightly if the person did this intentionally.
 
There was me hoping he could potentially replace Saeed Ajmal.

Why don't these youngsters learn?


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Anfield said:
Are you crazy? 5 years for dropping? Wow!
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How long have you been watching Pakistan Cricket? Can you name me the cricketers who have failed dope test in the past?
Yes, Perhaps about 4-5 international cricketers and dozen or so in domestic as well. Compare this to other nations where maybe a single player fails it in a decade. We need strict measures to eradicate this drug issue within our cricket.
I can tell you, if young and upcoming star players like Aamir can get into spot-fixing and Raza fail dope test, you have no idea whats happening behind the scenes with the hundreds of other domestic players. You need strong measures to eradicate such issues. I'd say ban him for 5 years from ALL CRICKET. Let him only play in his Mohalla.
 
That is disappointing but I don't think he will be banned for as many as 2 years, I think it should not be more than 6 months for a first offence, but then again I do not know what the rules are.

At the moment Pakistan probably would not have selected him, they already have Yasir Shah and probably Saeed Anwar may make a come back as well and as for Tests they also have Zulfiqar Babar in the mix, among all this there are talks of Zafar Gohar, the youngster, also likely to be drafted in... so Pakistan, for the time being, will not need Raza but I feel sorry for him.
 
Pak_Jazba said:
How long have you been watching Pakistan Cricket? Can you name me the cricketers who have failed dope test in the past?
Yes, Perhaps about 4-5 international cricketers and dozen or so in domestic as well. Compare this to other nations where maybe a single player fails it in a decade. We need strict measures to eradicate this drug issue within our cricket.
I can tell you, if young and upcoming star players like Aamir can get into spot-fixing and Raza fail dope test, you have no idea whats happening behind the scenes with the hundreds of other domestic players. You need strong measures to eradicate such issues. I'd say ban him for 5 years from ALL CRICKET. Let him only play in his Mohalla.
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In other countries this type of information is not made public. Especially on first time offense.
Only in Pakistan this is leaked.
 
Pak_Jazba said:
How long have you been watching Pakistan Cricket? Can you name me the cricketers who have failed dope test in the past?
Yes, Perhaps about 4-5 international cricketers and dozen or so in domestic as well. Compare this to other nations where maybe a single player fails it in a decade. We need strict measures to eradicate this drug issue within our cricket.
I can tell you, if young and upcoming star players like Aamir can get into spot-fixing and Raza fail dope test, you have no idea whats happening behind the scenes with the hundreds of other domestic players. You need strong measures to eradicate such issues. I'd say ban him for 5 years from ALL CRICKET. Let him only play in his Mohalla.
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Banning players for 5 years is not the solution but educating them is. Other boards are not impotent like pcbs, they take actual measures. In Pakistan where everything is available over the counter you need to educate player especially from humble backgrounds about the banned substance and drugs/food which contains them. It's not as easy as you think.
 
Doping has happened 19 times in cricket:

Tharanga took a banned substance and was banned 3 months
Same with Rehman
Warne
Akhtar
Botham

It isn't a Pakistani thing, but still not good. Probably will face a 3-6 month ban.
 
Frank Underwood said:
It's pathetic. Right when Amir is back on the verge of returning, trying to set the standard straight, finally go down a decent path, and someone has to do something to bring us right back to square one.
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It won't be back to square one.

Its ok. An annoyance but he was not even a regular till now.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
It won't be back to square one.

Its ok. An annoyance but he was not even a regular till now.
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He had a back injury which he simply has not recovered from, but the real issue is not about him playing, but more so the precedent it sets.

One would think players would be smarter.

I hope it was something like a puffer or something, but if it is a steroid I will be very upset.
 
Before you make judgement, wait for the full details.

I remember you all judged Umaid Asif, and then the truth came out.
 
Anfield said:
Banning players for 5 years is not the solution but educating them is. Other boards are not impotent like pcbs, they take actual measures. In Pakistan where everything is available over the counter you need to educate player especially from humble backgrounds about the banned substance and drugs/food which contains them. It's not as easy as you think.
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Agreed. Education should always be the first priority. But you need to set the record straight and let the people in the circuit know of the severe consequences of taking such substances.
You can educate them all you want, but when they know talents/upcoming stars like Raza Hasan get banned only for 3 months, it may just mean that an average domestic cricketer would face a meagre 1 month ban IF and only IF he gets caught.
 
Pak_Jazba said:
Agreed. Education should always be the first priority. But you need to set the record straight and let the people in the circuit know of the severe consequences of taking such substances.
You can educate them all you want, but when they know talents/upcoming stars like Raza Hasan get banned only for 3 months, it may just mean that an average domestic cricketer would face a meagre 1 month ban IF and only IF he gets caught.
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If he his caught, should confess, say he was guilty the moment it comes out, and PCB should follow suit and ban him accordingly as it has been in history.

Precedent has been a few months for almost every player.

Should incorporate a baseball rule. Fail once, X amount of time and/or international matches, fail twice, bigger sentence, maybe a life ban.
 
At this moment in time PCB is not disclosing any further details.
 
Nothing serious before the official reports come out - posters are mixing doping & drug abuse.

Doping is an ICC issue - players can adopt mainly 2 types dopes.
1. Performance enhancer, like steroids, testatorns. BUT, in cricket, apart from Fast bowlers, steroids hardly helps anyone. It's a skill based game, not like sprint or swimming.
2. Often players take pain killers or some sort of medicine which are not approved by ICC, not necessarily these are performance enhancer, sometimes they ban some medicine for long term negative impact. If it's a case of doping, I think, 2nd one is most likely - I have seen, the moment you start playing for PAK, your IQ level comes down to single digit. It has a negative correlation - the dumber, the better PAK cricketer you are.

Now comes drugs - ICC has nothing to do, if I smoke cannabis or heroin. However, every board has their own code of conduct (most European professional clubs don't allow their players to take even sugar during 10 months football season). Sometimes, if a player is caught possessing drugs are not allowed visas in some country, but it has nothing to do with ICC (like Asif was lucky that he was caught at Dubai, not at Singapore).

For Raza's case, I think, it's either some sort of pain killers or ............ Probably financial penalty, 2 years repetition clause (caught 2nd time ........ teri to..) & few matches ban. However, if found guilty & if I were the Captain, I wouldn't have been comfortable taking this idiot in my squad. WC is over, they are looking for a bunch of new players to build the team, I was one in contention, now at 23 I had a great domestic season, so I do something silly just a week before they are going to announce the nextgen team - these are ticking bombs in the squad, shouldn't be allowed even to walk in the driveway of the hotel my team 'll be staying.
 
his fitness was never upto standard and since the back injury, he simply got worse. Its a shame he resorted to this instead of finding a legal method to attain the required fitness level.

A ban of atleast 12 months will be imposed it seems, may be more. He was a bright young prospect at a time ! :(
 
Some how, some of the most talented players in the country find a way to ruin parts of their careers. Amazing!
 
IndianWillow said:
Performance enhancing drugs, is it? This should not be treated lightly if the person did this intentionally.
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Not necessarily. It could be a case of lagay dum mittay gham; even that is treated as drugs.
 
I have a feeling it's recreational which means a 1 year ban.

But if it's performance enhancing then it's probably the end of any prospect international career.

It's sad cause there was something mysterious about his bowling but had a poor 1 last year probably because of injury.

Whatever the case he alone is responsible for whatever goes inside his body so he has no one but himself to blame.
 
that wouldn't be considered as drug's then .

I think a ban is necessary for the future generation's and to make a example,

Treat a cheat as a cheat, and not give him the glorifeid attention like they have with Amir
 
Bullet Drive said:
Before you make judgement, wait for the full details.

I remember you all judged Umaid Asif, and then the truth came out.
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Could well be something like the medicine he was taking (if he was taking any) had trace amounts of a banned substance. This occurs pretty regularly in sport.

Could be deliberate though, gotta wait and see
 
Main thing is that at least players are being caught and it's not being swept under the carpet. The PCB will have to be firm according to the offence to set an example.
 
Guy has chronic back issues, I wouldn't be surprised if some laloo doctor injected him with steriods.
 
It could be simply some pain killer having banned substance in it.
 
If its performance enhancing drugs then yes he should be banned for 2 years he deserves it because that is cheating.

But if its only recreational drugs then a ban for 6 months or even few matches plus a fine is good enough, no need to ruin his career.
 
Saj said:
At this moment in time PCB is not disclosing any further details.
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out of interest, and not wihing you to compromise yourself at all, but is there any way of knowing where the leak came from? do people in the media business have any idea?
 
2 years ban for drugs

Come on

In boxing and mma the commission only give out a year ban
 
please guys keep comments about raza hasan only and dont speculate falsely we dont know what he took , why he took it and how long he will be banned for so please consider this before commenting and please dont make personal comments just comment on his cricket.
 
I don't know how much we can trust this. Remember someone got banned for taking prednisone. :facepalm:
 
It's a huge personal setback but fantastic for Pakistan cricket.

Similar to Narine, this is a man whose lifetime first class wicket hall is tiny. He has never learned how to bowl.

A four year cycle starts tomorrow after the World Cup.

You need to skip the failed generations of Ahmed Shehzad and Raza Hasan and Sohaib Maqsood and cull the likes of the elderly Hafeez.

And invest instead in Sami Aslam, Zafar Gohar and Karamat Ali.
 
Junaids said:
It's a huge personal setback but fantastic for Pakistan cricket.

Similar to Narine, this is a man whose lifetime first class wicket hall is tiny. He has never learned how to bowl.

A four year cycle starts tomorrow after the World Cup.

You need to skip the failed generations of Ahmed Shehzad and Raza Hasan and Sohaib Maqsood and cull the likes of the elderly Hafeez.

And invest instead in Sami Aslam, Zafar Gohar and Karamat Ali.
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Babar Azam, Umar Siddiq, Zafar, Shahzaib & M.Rizwan are my 5 to watch out for. Remember the names :)
 
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.

But with Mushy as bowling coach I would take Karamat Ali everywhere as Yasir Shah's understudy, just as you had that brief period in the late 80s with both Mushy and Abdul Qadir.

Imagine a 2019 team of:

1. Ahmed Shehzad (improved)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq / H Azam (Test/ODI)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Karamat Ali / Ehsan Adil
11. Junaid Khan
 
Bullet Drive said:
Babar Azam, Umar Siddiq, Zafar, Shahzaib & M.Rizwan are my 5 to watch out for. Remember the names :)
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Junaids said:
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.
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I always hear some PPers talking highly about many Pakistani domestic names specially if they have not played any international cricket. Let's see if any of these guys make it big.
 
Junaids said:
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.

But with Mushy as bowling coach I would take Karamat Ali everywhere as Yasir Shah's understudy, just as you had that brief period in the late 80s with both Mushy and Abdul Qadir.

Imagine a 2019 team of:

1. Ahmed Shehzad (improved)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq / H Azam (Test/ODI)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Karamat Ali / Ehsan Adil
11. Junaid Khan
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Quality quality team.

One thing though, Shahzaib Khan(who I referred to earlier) is a lot better then Karamat. And I rate Karamat. Shahzaib is a brilliant spinner.

Has been neglected due to Usman Qadir though.
 
Junaids said:
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.

But with Mushy as bowling coach I would take Karamat Ali everywhere as Yasir Shah's understudy, just as you had that brief period in the late 80s with both Mushy and Abdul Qadir.

Imagine a 2019 team of:

1. Ahmed Shehzad (improved)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq / H Azam (Test/ODI)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Karamat Ali / Ehsan Adil
11. Junaid Khan
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To be honest, this upcoming period will be amazing for us.

azhar ali
shafiq
fawad
akmal
maqsood
haris
shehzad
babar
sarfaraz
sami
siddiq
saud shakeel
rizwan
hammad
ali khan
zafar
raza
shahzaib
zia
ehsan
sadaf
amir
wahab
rahat
junaid

Lot of other names too e.g. Mir Hamza, Tabish, Taj Wali, Karamat, U.Qadir, M.Nawaz, U.Waheed, Imam ul-Haq.

I am so excited for the future. Will miss the Misbah era but I am overall happy its over.
 
Junaids said:
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.

But with Mushy as bowling coach I would take Karamat Ali everywhere as Yasir Shah's understudy, just as you had that brief period in the late 80s with both Mushy and Abdul Qadir.

Imagine a 2019 team of:

1. Ahmed Shehzad (improved)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq / H Azam (Test/ODI)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Karamat Ali / Ehsan Adil
11. Junaid Khan
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the team seems to lacking the power required to play the modern game...
 
Junaids said:
Babar Azam, Rizwan and Zafar Gohar are on my radar too.

But with Mushy as bowling coach I would take Karamat Ali everywhere as Yasir Shah's understudy, just as you had that brief period in the late 80s with both Mushy and Abdul Qadir.

Imagine a 2019 team of:

1. Ahmed Shehzad (improved)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq / H Azam (Test/ODI)
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Karamat Ali / Ehsan Adil
11. Junaid Khan
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I would go with Mohammad rizwan,sami aslam, Babar azam,Haris, Fawad, Sarfaraz, Hammad, Wahab,Amir, Yasir shah, Sadaf
 
Everyone is permitted one mistake. It's the second mistake that will be very costly.
 
My views are pretty firm. In modern international cricket a spinner must average 30+ with the bat.

Zafar Gohar could, Raza Hasan couldn't. So develop Gohar.
 
Lol

Some people getting ccarried away

We'll always be 7-10 in odi ranking

our talent is overrated and the pcb is ccorrupted you can't fix that
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Its amazing how Pakistan cricket manages to be so exciting at all times.

Ben in this forum for 1.5 years and never a dull moment here.

Something or the other will be happening or something will be brewing up waiting to explode.
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It is unbelievable the amount of events that occur within Pakistan Cricket. Ex players bashing on current players, ex players whining on live TV, selectors bashing former slectors, batch fixing, spot fixing and etc. Imagine Shewag whining about Dhoni on live TV ?someone would make a movie on that incident and then remake it into several languages.
 
I hope its one of those banned asthma medicines or something like that and not a performance enhancing medicine.
 
Atif said:
There was me hoping he could potentially replace Saeed Ajmal.

Why don't these youngsters learn?


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There is this exciting 16yr old leg spinner who can also average about 23 runs and possess strike rate of over 120 with the bat. Some people call him Mr.Head&Shoulder, others call him Shaihd Afridi
 
Performance enhancing drugs? Why would a spinner need them anyways? Poor stuff from Hasan, is a very promising spinner but this won't help him in the least.

With him banned and Yasir Shah still untested in the shorter formats, Saeed Ajmal remains our best bet. Hopefully all of Shah, Hasan and Gohar will step up in the next couple of years and take over from Ajju.
 
I fail to understand why a Spinner need a performance enhancing drug?

Can someone explain how it improves a spinners game?
 
So we're still not sure if he either smoked Weed/another recreational drug or used steroids?

I think the former would be a lighter penalty, correct me If I'm wrong.
 
Buffet said:
I always hear some PPers talking highly about many Pakistani domestic names specially if they have not played any international cricket. Let's see if any of these guys make it big.
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Same in India. Just check out how many Indians favoured unproven spinners over Ashwin prior to the WC. Ashwin served them humble pies. The grass is always greener on the other side.
 
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