Concussion substitute controversy: Did India Exploit the rules with Harshit Rana's debut in the 4th T20I against England?

[BouncerGuy]

India's choice of Harshit Rana as the concussion substitute for the injured Shivam Dube in the fourth T20I against England at the Maharashtra Cricket Association Stadium in Pune has ignited a major controversy. Rana, the right-arm pacer who made his debut as a concussion sub, significantly impacted the match's outcome, helping India secure a 15-run victory and an unbeatable 3-1 lead in the five-match series.

Rana replaced all-rounder Shivam Dube, who suffered a blow to his helmet in the last over of India's innings. Rana, alongside leg-spinner Ravi Bishnoi, took three wickets each, as India bowled out England for 166 after posting 181 runs on the board. This win extended India's unbeaten T20 series record at home to 17 since 2019.

Rana's inclusion, however, dominated discussions among commentators and did not sit well with the visitors. Former cricketer-turned-commentator Kevin Pietersen criticized the move on air, while England captain Jos Buttler appeared displeased and was seen having an animated discussion in the dugout.

The debate centers around whether India gained an undue advantage by substituting a fast bowler for an all-rounder who primarily bowls at a medium pace. According to ICC concussion substitution rules, a replacement should be a like-for-like player whose inclusion does not excessively advantage the team for the remainder of the match. The final decision lies with the ICC Match Referee, with no right of appeal for either team.

In this case, Dube, an all-rounder, had already performed his duties as a batter. There was no way he could have had any impact with the bat. It was only as a medium pacer that Dube could have played a part in the match. That is where the decision to use Harshit Rana, justifies the like-for-like theory.

What do you think? Did India's decision to replace Dube with Rana constitute a fair use of the concussion substitution rules, or did they take undue advantage of the system?

 

[Pakistan150-0]

India is the number one cheater in cricketing World

 

[Devadwal]

If marnus can be like for like replacement of Green than so is Rana of Dubey.

 

[Hitman]

India is the number one cheater in cricketing World

Yea, while other countries can claim bumped catches (Ganguly being cheated in the Chennai Test, 99') or even pick up the ball from the ground and claim a catch (Rashid Latif against Bangladesh).

 

[Pakistan150-0]

If marnus can be like for like replacement of Green than so is Rana of Dubey.

From now you should play with 22 players
11 for batting
11 for bowling

 

[Pakistan150-0]

Yea, while other countries can claim bumped catches (Ganguly being cheated in the Chennai Test, 99') or even pick up the ball from the ground and claim a catch (Rashid Latif against Bangladesh).

I can reference thousand times.... When your team cheated

 

[Hitman]

I can reference thousand times.... When your team cheated

Go ahead. Let's see Indian fielders cheating and getting batsman out off bumped catches.

P.S. I have posted the videos above for your viewing pleasure.

 

[Pakistan150-0]

Ok Now go and crying about it.

Ok you go and justify your illegal act

 

[Devadwal]

From Pakistan cricket journalist

On the concussion controversy in Pune tonight.

Key words in the playing conditions are “Match Referee should consider the likely role the concussed player would have played during THE REMAINDER OF THE MATCH.”

After the first innings, Shivam Dube was supposed to bowl a few overs (especially considering India were playing with just one specialist seamer). That role was done by Harshit Rana. Whether Rana is as good a batter as Dube is is an irrelevant argument.

While the playing conditions can be debatable, you can’t fault match officials for implementing the rules.

It is also not the first time it has happened. In 2020, Yuzie Chahal replaced Ravindra Jadeja and took 3 wickets to win a T20I against Australia in Canberra.

The sport would be less controversial if people cared to read the playing conditions before the series/tournaments.

 

[U$ofA]

I do not see much of an issue here. If the match referee (ICC) said it's ok, then all is good.

If people feel that it was not fair, then they should take it to the ICC. Not the BCCI. The BCCI just put up a concussion replacement. It was up to the ICC to accept or reject.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Been against this rule since it's inception.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is about Concussion incident...KEEP YOUR POSTS RELEVANT NOW.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Only like for like replacement should be allowed and let the umpires and match refree decide it.

We will see far less exploitation and controversy. This is the most fairest and effective concussion replacement method I could think of.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Suryakumar yadav used Rinku singh and himself as bowlers against Srilanka and won in those overs. So one cannot assume SKY won't be using Dube as bowler. Nick Knight was going gaga over Brook smashing debutant Rana around.

 

[jnaveen1980]

From Pakistan cricket journalist

On the concussion controversy in Pune tonight.

Key words in the playing conditions are “Match Referee should consider the likely role the concussed player would have played during THE REMAINDER OF THE MATCH.”

After the first innings, Shivam Dube was supposed to bowl a few overs (especially considering India were playing with just one specialist seamer). That role was done by Harshit Rana. Whether Rana is as good a batter as Dube is is an irrelevant argument.

While the playing conditions can be debatable, you can’t fault match officials for implementing the rules.

It is also not the first time it has happened. In 2020, Yuzie Chahal replaced Ravindra Jadeja and took 3 wickets to win a T20I against Australia in Canberra.

The sport would be less controversial if people cared to read the playing conditions before the series/tournaments.

Usama Mir (who took 2 key wickets) replacing Shadab khan (who mae 43 runs) in the world cup match against South Africa.

 

[kingusama92]

From Pakistan cricket journalist

On the concussion controversy in Pune tonight.

Key words in the playing conditions are “Match Referee should consider the likely role the concussed player would have played during THE REMAINDER OF THE MATCH.”

After the first innings, Shivam Dube was supposed to bowl a few overs (especially considering India were playing with just one specialist seamer). That role was done by Harshit Rana. Whether Rana is as good a batter as Dube is is an irrelevant argument.

While the playing conditions can be debatable, you can’t fault match officials for implementing the rules.

It is also not the first time it has happened. In 2020, Yuzie Chahal replaced Ravindra Jadeja and took 3 wickets to win a T20I against Australia in Canberra.

The sport would be less controversial if people cared to read the playing conditions before the series/tournaments.

They need to reword the rule or it's being misinterpreted.

Let's assume we follow the rule as you've written...

Mohammad Shami gets injured bowling first and India is batting 2nd. They can bring in Virat Kohli as a sub (assuming he's not playing that day) because Shami's role for the remainder of the match was only to bat?

Since quality doesn't matter, Kohli would be a valid sub to bat instead of Shami.

 

[Thanos]

I am not aware if it's already implemented but I feel the rule can be improved a bit.

Players can be divided and clubbed into 4 categories batsmen, WK, ARs and bowlers. While declaring playing 11, team can mention 4 more player in each category as possible concussion sub.
A substitution can replace player of his category only in case of concussion.

 

[Rana]

Did Pakistan exploit the rules when they substituted Shadab Khan for Usama Mir against SA in the 2023 World Cup?

 

[Major]

Did Pakistan exploit the rules when they substituted Shadab Khan for Usama Mir against SA in the 2023 World Cup?

is this thread about Pakistan?

 

[Rana]

is this thread about Pakistan?

Do I care?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think it's cheating but it's something that the ICC can consider for the future.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am not aware if it's already implemented but I feel the rule can be improved a bit.

Players can be divided and clubbed into 4 categories batsmen, WK, ARs and bowlers. While declaring playing 11, team can mention 4 more player in each category as possible concussion sub.
A substitution can replace player of his category only in case of concussion.

Yeah good shout. It's the best way to avoid any doubts or confusions.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Right on target

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885420583225008437

 

[Devadwal]

Right on target

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885420583225008437

Ohh looks who is talking? England experts are last one to talking about sportsman spirit because of 2019 world Cup final .

 

[Major]

Do I care?

tell that to a mod here

 

[Rana]

tell that to a mod here

If my comment stands, they don’t mind either.

You should mind your own business.

 

[Major]

If my comment stands, they don’t mind either.

You should mind your own business.

your comments are irrelevent to what is being discussed.

 

[Rana]

your comments are irrelevent to what is being discussed.

No it isn’t. You don’t decide that. This is a cricket forum, not some toxic freshy daawat where you are the head of the table.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Jos Buttler criticises use of Harshit Rana as concussion sub in T20 series defeat​

Jos Buttler criticised India's use of pace bowler Harshit Rana as a concussion substitute in their series-clinching win over England in the fourth T20 international in Pune, calling the change "not a like-for-like replacement".

Batting all-rounder Shivam Dube - who has bowled a total of only three overs across the last three editions of the IPL - struck 53 off 34 balls for India before going off the field with a concussion sustained when batting. In his place, pace bowler Harshit took three wickets on his T20I debut to fire India to a 15-run victory.

The International Cricket Council's concussion replacement guidance states that a concussion substitute is to be approved if it is a "a like-for-like player whose inclusion will not excessively advantage their team".

England captain Buttler addressed the controversy in his post-match press conference, saying: "We disagree with the decision.

"It's not a like-for-like replacement. Either Shivam Dube has put on about 25mph with the ball, or Harshit has really improved his batting.

"They had a like-for-like replacement in Ramandeep Singh, so we are quite confused as to how Harshit Rana was able to come into the game. We'll ask Javagal [Srinath, the match referee] some questions.

"We had no consultation. As I came out to bat, I asked the umpire why Harshit was on the field and he said he's the concussion sub which I was quite confused by.

"Maybe at the toss next game, I'll say we're going to play 12 as well. I still think we should have gone on to win the match but we disagree with the decision."

Despite England's frustration at the officiating in Pune, there was a clear acceptance from Buttler that his side should have won the game regardless.

England were in extremely strong positions at various stages in the match.

Saqib Mahmood's triple-wicket maiden in the second over of India's innings left the hosts 12-3. They then fell to 79-5 in the 11th, before Dube and Hardik Pandya both struck fifites in an 87-run partnership to help set England a testing 182 for victory.

Even so, the tourists reached 50 without loss inside five overs after a brilliant start, and then once more appeared on course for victory when Harry Brook brought up a 25-ball half century in the 15th, before England ultimately collapsed to 166 all out and defeat.

Butler said: "We started brilliantly, taking lots of wickets in the powerplay, and also at the end of the batting powerplay we were in a great position. We should have gone on to win the game.

"It's disappointing. We did some really good things in the game.

"We have to double down on the way we want to play. I've been really impressed with how we've committed to that. We can still commit more and when we do that, we'll get more out of ourselves."

Cook: Sub incident seems like madness

"It had such a big impact on the game," Cook told TNT Sports. "Replacing a big-hitting batting all-rounder, who has bowled one over in the [2024] IPL, with a bowler who can't bat and bowls heavy seam, makes no sense to me whatsoever.

"England still really should have won the game. They probably would have rather faced a pace bowler than a spinner, to be honest, but I still don't understand it.

"India have Washington Sundar on the bench, who Dube replaced. but instead they bring in a heavy bowler, who bowls 140-odd [kmph].

"It seems madness that you can do it."

Cook was more specific with his criticism of England's performance, focusing on the shot selection of the tourists and questioning whether their egos are too big to play the situation.

"We can rant and rave all we want about it [the concussion sub] - it was the wrong call - but England still should have won the game," the former England skipper said on TNT Sports.

"I thought England were dumb with some of their shots. It's a harsh thing to say, because T20 cricket is a balancing act, but sometimes the modern thinking isn't right - I'm sorry.

"Ben Duckett played beautifully today. England were 62-0 off 5.5 overs of the powerplay. Just see it off, knock a single and regroup again.

"I don't know if its ego or whatever that makes them think, 'I've got to carry on playing'.

"And I have to have a go at Harry Brook as well. Again, he hit a fine fifty, but I don't understand it. It's the last over of Varun, the player of the series so far and had he seen it off, England would have needed just under 10 an over with five to go and their best bowler done."

India vs England: Jos Buttler criticises use of Harshit Rana as concussion sub in T20 series defeat

Batting all-rounder Shivam Dube struck 53 off 34 balls before going off the field with a concussion; pace bowler Harshit Rana took his place and claimed three wickets to fire India to victory over England in fourth T20; ICC concussion guidance says replacement should be like for like

www.skysports.com

 

[Major]

No it isn’t. You don’t decide that. This is a cricket forum, not some toxic freshy daawat where you are the head of the table.

again, the case that is being discussed is Harshit Dana and Dube, not Shadab and Usama.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Usama Mir (who took 2 key wickets) replacing Shadab khan (who mae 43 runs) in the world cup match against South Africa.

That's allowed. This isn't.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wait for the India vs England test series, this frequent ball changing of England will be exposed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wait for the India vs England test series, this frequent ball changing of England will be exposed.

Yea Even Punter mocked last time about that during Ashes.

 

[Rana]

Usama Mir (who took 2 key wickets) replacing Shadab khan (who mae 43 runs) in the world cup match against South Africa.

If Shadab Khan being in the form he was in had to bowl those 10 overs instead of Mir….

 

[jnaveen1980]

If Shadab Khan being in the form he was in had to bowl those 10 overs instead of Mir….

Exactly. These potential situations were debated right after the rule wasi ntroduced.

 

[sweep_shot]

Harshit should not have been the substitution for Dube.

Substitution should always be a like-for-like one.

 

[PakPremi]

That's allowed. This isn't.

Both are Leg spinnerr, Pakistan did not had any more like for like replacement for Shadab in the squad.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Exactly. These potential situations were debated right after the rule wasi ntroduced.

How is Shadab and Usama the same as this situation?

Both are leg spin allrouders. It's a like for like replacement.

 

[Rana]

How is Shadab and Usama the same as this situation?

Both are leg spin allrouders. It's a like for like replacement.

Shadab in my opinion wasn’t injured enough in the first place to be substituted. Umar Gul was rightly outraged. Pakistan knew what they were doing when they had to somehow find a way to get both Shadab and Usama to somehow play in a must win game.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Shadab in my opinion wasn’t injured enough in the first place to be substituted. Umar Gul was rightly outraged. Pakistan knew what they were doing when they had to somehow find a way to get both Shadab and Usama to somehow play in a must win game.

Concussion cant be judged over a tv screen. It's judged by the medics at the ground. If they have said he is concussed then that's that. Your opinion or Umar Guls outrage can't determine a concussion.

 

[FearlessRoar]

That's allowed. This isn't.

A bowler in place of another bowler.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Harshit should not have been the substitution for Dube.

Substitution should always be a like-for-like one.

To be honest India didn't break any rules. However substitute can have a big impact in cricket so ICC should tighten things up and regulate it better.

@Thanos had a sensible point. Something like that should be implemented.

 

[sweep_shot]

To be honest India didn't break any rules. However substitute can have a big impact in cricket so ICC should tighten things up and regulate it better.

@Thanos had a sensible point. Something like that should be implemented.

It was the fault of match referee. He approved the substitution.

Match referee was Javagal Srinath.

I think ICC should have neutral match referees moving forward.

 

[Devadwal]

How is Shadab and Usama the same as this situation?

Both are leg spin allrouders. It's a like for like replacement.

Marnus is like for like replacement of Green . right?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Marnus is like for like replacement of Green . right?

I didn't watch that match but on paper they aren't like for like no.

 

[sweep_shot]

I didn't watch that match but on paper they aren't like for like no.

Correct.

Harshit is a proper frontline bowler.

Dube is a part-time bowler.

How can they be the same?

 

[khyberlion]

How is Shadab and Usama the same as this situation?

Both are leg spin allrouders. It's a like for like replacement.

Don't talk sense. It doesn't work here.

 

[Devadwal]

I didn't watch that match but on paper they aren't like for like no.

One is pace allrounder while other is pure batsman so that was totally unfair but well within the rules

there is rule with possible exploitation, it will be exploited .india is well within rules.

Change the rules as simple as that because anyone can use it in the future Even against india.

 

[Devadwal]

Don't talk sense. It doesn't work here.

If Hardik is injured than Bumrah is allowed to his Concussion substitute?

 

[Rana]

Talk about ‘exploiting’ the concussion sub rule

ICC World Cup: 'Shadab ne concussion ka bahana banaya' - Umar Gul accuses Shadab Khan of faking injury - Times of India

All-rounder Shadab Khan banged his head on the ground while trying to run out opener Quinton de Kock in the first over of South Africa's run-chase of 271. After getting some on-field medical attention, he walked off the park as a precaution for a concussion injury and was later replaced by Usama...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[DeadlyVenom]

One is pace allrounder while other is pure batsman so that was totally unfair but well within the rules

there is rule with possible exploitation, it will be exploited .india is well within rules.

Change the rules as simple as that because anyone can use it in the future Even against india.

I don't think India did anything wrong here btw.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Talk about ‘exploiting’ the concussion sub rule

ICC World Cup: 'Shadab ne concussion ka bahana banaya' - Umar Gul accuses Shadab Khan of faking injury - Times of India

All-rounder Shadab Khan banged his head on the ground while trying to run out opener Quinton de Kock in the first over of South Africa's run-chase of 271. After getting some on-field medical attention, he walked off the park as a precaution for a concussion injury and was later replaced by Usama...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Is Umar Gul a medical expert?

 

[Rana]

Is Umar Gul a medical expert?

I don’t care if he is or isn’t. I am proud of him for calling it out the way he saw it, and how I saw it. It takes guts to call out nonsense/deceit that your nation is committing.

My stance is the same as Umar Gul here. We have no right to talk about exploiting this rule!

 

[Rajdeep]

During recently concluded BGT, when Bangladeshi umpire screwed Jaiswal which eventually costed India the game and the series, posters here maintained that umpire decision is final decision and must be respected. So in the same token, match referee decision should also be respected.

Additionally, concussion sub exists in the rule book of ICC. Like for like is subjective, India can very well turn around and say they were playing Dube as an all rounder and were intending to bowl him. Considering he bowls medium pace, so Rana is a like for like replacement as he is a medium pacer too. Sure it is playing with the system but can't be attributed to cheating as its in ICC rule book. It is like when Matthews was timed out by Shakib was perfectly legal even though immoral.

 

[Vikram1989]

I am not aware if it's already implemented but I feel the rule can be improved a bit.

Players can be divided and clubbed into 4 categories batsmen, WK, ARs and bowlers. While declaring playing 11, team can mention 4 more player in each category as possible concussion sub.
A substitution can replace player of his category only in case of concussion.

It cant be so simple.off spinner vs leg spinner , lefty vs right, pace bowling ar vs pace/spin batting ar. more the stakes more the animosity reserved for opponents who exploited it.it should be no rule or no like for like nonsense.

 

[Devadwal]

During recently concluded BGT, when Bangladeshi umpire screwed Jaiswal which eventually costed India the game and the series, posters here maintained that umpire decision is final decision and must be respected. So in the same token, match referee decision should also be respected.

Additionally, concussion sub exists in the rule book of ICC. Like for like is subjective, India can very well turn around and say they were playing Dube as an all rounder and were intending to bowl him. Considering he bowls medium pace, so Rana is a like for like replacement as he is a medium pacer too. Sure it is playing with the system but can't be attributed to cheating as its in ICC rule book. It is like when Matthews was timed out by Shakib was perfectly legal even though immoral.

@sweep_shot he is that person during the BGT he said umpire decison must be respected but now he is Criticized Match referee decision

Btw his problem is not with Umpire or Referee but India/ Indian player's . This is why never takes two faced people's view seriously .

 

[just a fan]

I can reference thousand times.... When your team cheated

Please go ahead!! 1000 right?

 

[deltexas]

Ok you go and justify your illegal act

Illegal act ?? Who said it was illegal ? The match referee made the call. I dont agree Rana was like for like for Dube sure but to call it illegal is ridiculous. Any team if given a chance would do the same. Rules are there. The match referee has to implement them . Pak bowlers appeal for an lbw and its not given, but then dont take drs. Is that illegal ? They appealed vociferously even if they know it pitched outside leg ? Illegal ? No. They appeal - and umpire makes the call thats it. Yes, teams try to "bend" the rules and so you have umpires, match referees etc officiating the game.

 

[deltexas]

Only like for like replacement should be allowed and let the umpires and match refree decide it.

We will see far less exploitation and controversy. This is the most fairest and effective concussion replacement method I could think of.

And those are the actual rules. The teams dont get to pick the replacements. The match referee does.

 

[deltexas]

Did Pakistan exploit the rules when they substituted Shadab Khan for Usama Mir against SA in the 2023 World Cup?

Pak as a team did what is best for their team and thats fine and thats how it should be . It was the match referee who made the final case. And in the above scenario, I am actually OK using Mir in place of Shadab. Now if they used Shaheen Afridi (assuming he wasnt playing the game) and referee OKed it, that would be a problem.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Like for like intepretation is going to be inconsistent especially wrt all rounders.There is literally no two players are "alike". Let us understand that first. May be Labu and Smith Even then Smith >>>> Labu

 

[Rajdeep]

This rule is weird. What if there are no like for like replacement available?

Posters here saying that Rana is not like for like replacement for Dube, so who should have replaced him? The following players were in bench -

1. Dhruv Jurel (wk batsman)
2. Nitish Reddy (Injured and out of the tournament)
3. Shami (premier bowler)
4. Washington Sundar (Spin all rounder)
5. Rana (seam bowling all rounder).

I think Rana is the closest fit to replace Dube. Let me know if posters here think otherwise and if yes whom should have replaced as concussion substitute?

 

[just a fan]

This rule is weird. What if there are no like for like replacement available?

Posters here saying that Rana is not like for like replacement for Dube, so who should have replaced him? The following players were in bench -

1. Dhruv Jurel (wk batsman)
2. Nitish Reddy (Injured and out of the tournament)
3. Shami (premier bowler)
4. Washington Sundar (Spin all rounder)
5. Rana (seam bowling all rounder).

I think Rana is the closest fit to replace Dube. Let me know if posters here think otherwise and if yes whom should have replaced as concussion substitute?

I don't think the crybabies would care to respond to your post. Alas, that's to be expected!

 

[Rajdeep]

This rule is weird. What if there are no like for like replacement available?

Posters here saying that Rana is not like for like replacement for Dube, so who should have replaced him? The following players were in bench -

1. Dhruv Jurel (wk batsman)
2. Nitish Reddy (Injured and out of the tournament)
3. Shami (premier bowler)
4. Washington Sundar (Spin all rounder)
5. Rana (seam bowling all rounder).

I think Rana is the closest fit to replace Dube. Let me know if posters here think otherwise and if yes whom should have replaced as concussion substitute?

@sweep_shot @Major @khyberlion @Pakistan150-0 and other critics...pls confirm whom India should have replaced from the available bunch?

And if there are no exact like for like replacement available, what should a team do?

I think India went for the closest fit.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It was truly a black day in cricket. I’ve seen some cunning moves, but what happened in the last T20I was on another level. BCCI can really do whatever it wants. It’s almost admirable how the BCCI keeps finding ways to tilt the game in its favor while the rest of the cricketing world helplessly watches. BCCI don’t just play the game. They are the game.

 

[RexRex]

It was truly a black day in cricket. I’ve seen some cunning moves, but what happened in the last T20I was on another level. BCCI can really do whatever it wants. It’s almost admirable how the BCCI keeps finding ways to tilt the game in its favor while the rest of the cricketing world helplessly watches. BCCI don’t just play the game. They are the game.

People are accusing the indian match referee of being biased. He probably was on this occasion.

 

[HitWicket]

This rule is weird. What if there are no like for like replacement available?

Then they don't get a concussion replacement, it's pretty simple.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Yea, while other countries can claim bumped catches (Ganguly being cheated in the Chennai Test, 99') or even pick up the ball from the ground and claim a catch (Rashid Latif against Bangladesh).

A few more instances where Pakistanis cheated:
Biting the cricket ball
Using bottle caps to tamper the ball

 

[ChennaiFan]

I don't agree with the decision of using Harshit Rana as the concussion sub for Shivam Dube. It was wrong.

To the pakistani fans: This is not the first time a mismatch of substitution happened. In the WC, Pakistan sub'ed Usama (a specialist spinner) for Shadab Khan who clearly struggling as bowler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both are Leg spinnerr, Pakistan did not had any more like for like replacement for Shadab in the squad.

Both are seamers, India didnt have any more like for like replacement for dube in the squad.

 

[Vikram1989]

A few more instances where Pakistanis cheated:
Biting the cricket ball
Using bottle caps to tamper the ball

Rashid Latif said in an interview he used to appeal along with mustaq Ahmed for a random ball in pre planned fashion to make an appeal look like spontaneous.sometimes they used to get the decision in their favour. He pointed out dravid's dismissal in sharjah.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Rashid Latif said in an interview he used to appeal along with mustaq Ahmed for a random ball in pre planned fashion to make an appeal look like spontaneous.sometimes they used to get the decision in their favour. He pointed out dravid's dismissal in sharjah.

Sometimes I didn't like the umpiring in Sharjah. I am glad there are no more tournaments in Sharjah.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol...Latino heat vibes. But don't forget the robbery yesterday.

Rashid Latif said in an interview he used to appeal along with mustaq Ahmed for a random ball in pre planned fashion to make an appeal look like spontaneous.sometimes they used to get the decision in their favour. He pointed out dravid's dismissal in sharjah.

 

[Rana]

Lol...Latino heat vibes. But don't forget the robbery yesterday.

Rashid Latif said in an interview he used to appeal along with mustaq Ahmed for a random ball in pre planned fashion to make an appeal look like spontaneous.sometimes they used to get the decision in their favour. He pointed out dravid's dismissal in sharjah.

Now both are represented by the same agency conning Pakistan cricket

 

[pratiktc]

England captains should probably read rules more often. Buttler complains that Rana is faster than Dube and Stokes says he doesn't understand over rate penalties in Tests.

Like for like substitute will always be an imperfect fit. It is a subjective rule and is left open to match referee on the day to approve.

The rule cannot be questioned and will not be overturned. After Hughes case, it is but natural that players should be subbed off if even concussion is suspected.

It also cannot be made objective as replacement will always be a subjective call.

Will teams try to exploit situations like these in their favour? Of course they will, this happens in all sports in history.

 

[Thanos]

This rule is weird. What if there are no like for like replacement available?

Posters here saying that Rana is not like for like replacement for Dube, so who should have replaced him? The following players were in bench -

1. Dhruv Jurel (wk batsman)
2. Nitish Reddy (Injured and out of the tournament)
3. Shami (premier bowler)
4. Washington Sundar (Spin all rounder)
5. Rana (seam bowling all rounder).

I think Rana is the closest fit to replace Dube. Let me know if posters here think otherwise and if yes whom should have replaced as concussion substitute?

Good observation. Now I think India went with best like for like player. We can argue about the skills of both players but would've been more mismatched if Dube was replaced by some other player.

 

[Thanos]

It cant be so simple.off spinner vs leg spinner , lefty vs right, pace bowling ar vs pace/spin batting ar. more the stakes more the animosity reserved for opponents who exploited it.it should be no rule or no like for like nonsense.

I am okay if substitute rule is scrapped completely. But if it continues than needs some improvement the way it's implemented.

We can't have too many categories like right handed, left handed, off spinner, leg spinner etc.
As long as a batsman is replaced by batsman, WK by WK, AR by AR and bowler by bowler, I beleive there will be less confusion and protest. It'll avoid situations like an AR getting replaced by full time bowler.
Anyway it's just a suggestion, ICC may come up with better ideas.

 

[Major]

I don't agree with the decision of using Harshit Rana as the concussion sub for Shivam Dube. It was wrong.

To the pakistani fans: This is not the first time a mismatch of substitution happened. In the WC, Pakistan sub'ed Usama (a specialist spinner) for Shadab Khan who clearly struggling as bowler.

Good to see a poster from India agreeing that his team was wrong from somewhere.

I would nominate this as POTW, its really rare to see an Indian be open minded and critisize their own team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

England captains should probably read rules more often. Buttler complains that Rana is faster than Dube and Stokes says he doesn't understand over rate penalties in Tests.

Like for like substitute will always be an imperfect fit. It is a subjective rule and is left open to match referee on the day to approve.

The rule cannot be questioned and will not be overturned. After Hughes case, it is but natural that players should be subbed off if even concussion is suspected.

It also cannot be made objective as replacement will always be a subjective call.

Will teams try to exploit situations like these in their favour? Of course they will, this happens in all sports in history.

English players are used to getting preferential treatment. The fact that English Cricket doesn't control world cricket is something they are yet to understand Fully.

 

[Hyder]

Did Pakistan exploit the rules when they substituted Shadab Khan for Usama Mir against SA in the 2023 World Cup?

Shadab has mostly bowled his bowling quota and is a proper bowler.
Meanwhile dube has bowled less than 10 overs in last 10 12 games.

This is what the talk is about. Dube plays as a batsman majorly.

If it was pandya u could replace him with harshit.

If india was bowling first and dube got injured would they bring in ramandeep or harshit?

See here it is they can bring any batter in this case because dube is a batsman majorly and in remaining match he was supposed to bat


This is what all the cry is about and idt its an anamoly because all teams will look to exploit it one way or another unless rules are defined in a better way.

Desperate times desperate measures