Conversion rates for the new Fab four (last two years)

[Aman]

Virat Kohli
Innings: 37
Not out: 3
100s: 6
50s: 3
Conversion rate: 0.67 (0.666)

Note: 1 not out 49

Steve Smith
Innings: 37
Not out: 6
100s: 9
50s: 8 (2 not outs)
Conversion rate: 0.53 (0.529)

Note: 1 not out on 48.

Kane Williamson
Innings: 35
Not out: 5
100s: 7
50s: 10 (1 not out)
Conversion rate: 0.41 (0.411)

Without minnows (Zimbabwe)
100s: 6
50s: 8
Conversion rate: 0.42 (0.428)

Joe Root
Innings: 50
Not out: 3
100s: 5
50s: 18 (1 not out)
Conversion rate: 0.22 (0.217)

I was considering including Bangladesh as minnows, but they've beaten England and SL so that might be unfair.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Smithy is easily the best out of the four, no question. A tie between KW and Root and lastly Kohli. All of them are stupendous batsmen but nothing compared to Smith. I rate him extremely highly after his performances in India.

Root would overtake KW when he performs in Aus.

 

[Proactive_]

Smith > Kane > Root > Kohli.

Kohli doesn't deserve to be in the Fab 4 in tests. He's much closer to the rest of the other "good batsmen" than he is to the genuinely great batsmen of this time in Smith, Root and Kane.

 

[Aman]

Smithy is easily the best out of the four, no question. A tie between KW and Root and lastly Kohli. All of them are stupendous batsmen but nothing compared to Smith. I rate him extremely highly after his performances in India.

Root would overtake KW when he performs in Aus.

Root can overtake Kane and Kohli when he begins to lead his side, improves his conversion rate and works on his century tally away from home. Pretty 50s may be enough for people here, but you have to do far more than that to be considered among the best batsmen in the world IMO. Smith, Kohli and Kane have done this, Root has yet to.

 

[TQ89]

Smith's conversion rate is impressive

 

[CricketCartoons]

I would rate Pujara over Kohli, who is more hype than substance.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Kohli will end his career as the greatest among the 4 #MarkMyWords

 

[Sin Nombre]

Kohli will end his career as the greatest among the 4 #MarkMyWords

He is already the greatest of the 4, all things and formats considered and by a distance.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I would rate Pujara over Kohli, who is more hype than substance.

Pujara hasnt done anything outside Asia. He is what id say 'HTB'

 

[Aman]

Pujara hasnt done anything outside Asia. He is what id say 'HTB'

Root 3:16

 

[Haz95]

Smith



Kane
Kohli/Root

That's how the rankings are, all things considered. Kane hasn't struggled badly in any condition but sometimes tends to go missing vs bigger teams, Kohli is the most destructive but can't play lateral movement, Root is the most consistent and talented but has a poor conversion rate but is not entirely proven abroad.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Smith



Kane
Kohli/Root

That's how the rankings are, all things considered. Kane hasn't struggled badly in any condition but sometimes tends to go missing vs bigger teams, Kohli is the most destructive but can't play lateral movement, Root is the most consistent and talented but has a poor conversion rate but is not entirely proven abroad.

agree. Smith is currenty by far best test bastman. Kane/Kohli/Root are very close to each other.

But in LOIs Kohli is by far better than rest.

 

[Haz95]

But in LOIs Kohli is by far better than rest.

Disagree. Until he does something of note in ODIs in an important match, I won't rate him much better than Smith, if at all.

In T20s he's untouched by any of them.

 

[thehub]

Smith is ugly looking batsman of all 4. Horrible foot works. Other three are technically much better and more talented. But I agree Smith is most effective with better stats and performances. Good people didn't talk about match losing centuries of Smith here. That's applicable only when topic is about certain player I guess.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Disagree. Until he does something of note in ODIs in an important match, I won't rate him much better than Smith, if at all.

In T20s he's untouched by any of them.

At least he takes his team to finals unlike others. Smith hasnt done anything to be rated above Kohli in ODIs.
Kohli played cruical knock in 2013 champions trophy final where everyone failed in that match.
Apart from 2015 WC what exactly has Smith done? even in WC it was the complete team effort(They had best bowling unit as well)

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Lol steve smith an odi average of 44 ( 11 runs less than kolhi) and an away ODI average of 27 is rated ahead of kohli in odis by some people, some people are so freaking clueless, it is hilarious

 

[Haz95]

At least he takes his team to finals unlike others. Smith hasnt done anything to be rated above Kohli in ODIs.
Kohli played cruical knock in 2013 champions trophy final where everyone failed in that match.
Apart from 2015 WC what exactly has Smith done? even in WC it was the complete team effort(They had best bowling unit as well)

Aus batted first in the semi final that Smith turned up in, the same which King Chaser Kohli had a catastrophic choke. He's a brilliant batsman and is the best ODI batsman in the world however the gap between him and the next ODI best is not as large as the gap between Smith and the next best Test batsman.

The more the pressure, the higher the chances of Kohli choking. It's why he's mediocre in ODI WCs, average in CTs and is good in T20 WCs while brilliant in Asia Cups. You can see while the pressure gets lower and lower in each tourney, the better Kohli becomes.

The same reason why people refuse to rate Hashim Amla (even at the peak of his prime in ODIs) the best ODI opener.

Lol steve smith an odi average of 44 ( 11 runs less than kolhi) and an away ODI average of 27 is rated ahead of kohli in odis by some people, some people are so freaking clueless, it is hilarious

@ me ennit don't drop sneaky digs like a coward.

Looking at your DP pal says it all. . . I won't argue with you

 

[CanadianG00se]

Aus batted first in the semi final that Smith turned up in, the same which King Chaser Kohli had a catastrophic choke. He's a brilliant batsman and is the best ODI batsman in the world however the gap between him and the next ODI best is not as large as the gap between Smith and the next best Test batsman.

The more the pressure, the higher the chances of Kohli choking. It's why he's mediocre in ODI WCs, average in CTs and is good in T20 WCs while brilliant in Asia Cups. You can see while the pressure gets lower and lower in each tourney, the better Kohli becomes.

The same reason why people refuse to rate Hashim Amla (even at the peak of his prime in ODIs) the best ODI opener.

@ me ennit don't drop sneaky digs like a coward.

Looking at your DP pal says it all. . . I won't argue with you

Going by your logic
Munaf Patel > Waqar Younis.

Former played WC final and had decent performance, while latter couldnt even take his team pass group stages in WC 03.

If WC is only parameters for greatness than Lara shouldnt even consider to be great, he never played WC finals and choked in Champions trophy final 2004.

Kohli do have some chinks in his armour but to suggest he is inferior to Smith( who hasnt done anything except WC 15) is just your personal opinion (i respect it). Kohli has at least chased some insanse target while Smith hasnt done anythig remotely closed.
Smith is not even the best batsman in Australian side let alone in World. Id rate D Warner ahead of Smith in ODIs.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Lol steve smith an odi average of 44 ( 11 runs less than kolhi) and an away ODI average of 27 is rated ahead of kohli in odis by some people, some people are so freaking clueless, it is hilarious

shhhhh...

Dont bring stats. People only remembers WC 15 and now Champions trophy 2017.

Same people totally ignores that it was Kohli's innings that helped India win 2013 champions trophy final.

Smith is ATG for his innings against India in WC 15.

Lara, AbD, Waqar, Inzi etc are just oridinary players. None of them played WC finals a parameter for greatness.

 

[Haz95]

Going by your logic
Munaf Patel > Waqar Younis.

Former played WC final and had decent performance, while latter couldnt even take his team pass group stages in WC 03.

If WC is only parameters for greatness than Lara shouldnt even consider to be great, he never played WC finals and choked in Champions trophy final 2004.

Kohli do have some chinks in his armour but to suggest he is inferior to Smith( who hasnt done anything except WC 15) is just your personal opinion (i respect it). Kohli has at least chased some insanse target while Smith hasnt done anythig remotely closed.
Smith is not even the best batsman in Australian side let alone in World. Id rate D Warner ahead of Smith in ODIs.

No.

When I bring WC into discussion, its due to claims of Kohli being the best in the world. (WHICH I HAVE ALREADY STATED) however due to his chinks in important Finals and Semi Finals, Kohli is mediocre. This is the reason why I don't consider him some sort of Messiah who's rivalling Viv as the GOAT ODI player, I do consider him an outstanding batsman who does some ridiculous stuff and the current best ODI batsman, no doubt.

However, until he rectifies his mediocre performances when the heat is truly on, I will refuse to rate him. 2019 WC is gonna be major for him.

Lara was the joint (with sach) most dominant ODI batsman in the 90s so I don't understand why he's in discussion, not to mention he was brilliant in QF (that's the furthest his team sadly got, as opposed to King Kohli). But let's not bring in other people as discussion.

Smith is not better than Kohli in ODIs, it doesn't take a genius to realise that. However Smith has performances where it counts as opposed to Kohli, too bad he's meh overall to be in consideration. David Warner is another example of a brilliant batsman who also rises to the occasion whether it's bilaterals or pressure filled semi/finals. You can even include Kohlis fellow countryman Shikar Dhawan who truly is a big match player.

Anyway this argument is going sideways. My initial point still stands, the gap between Kohli and then next best ODI batsman is very little as opposed to Smith and the next best test batsman.

 

[backfootpunch]

If you consider all formats Kohli is the best.

In tests I agree Smith is way ahead of the rest.

 

[Sachin136]

No.

When I bring WC into discussion, its due to claims of Kohli being the best in the world. (WHICH I HAVE ALREADY STATED) however due to his chinks in important Finals and Semi Finals, Kohli is mediocre. This is the reason why I don't consider him some sort of Messiah who's rivalling Viv as the GOAT ODI player, I do consider him an outstanding batsman who does some ridiculous stuff and the current best ODI batsman, no doubt.

However, until he rectifies his mediocre performances when the heat is truly on, I will refuse to rate him. 2019 WC is gonna be major for him.

Lara was the joint (with sach) most dominant ODI batsman in the 90s so I don't understand why he's in discussion, not to mention he was brilliant in QF (that's the furthest his team sadly got, as opposed to King Kohli). But let's not bring in other people as discussion.

Smith is not better than Kohli in ODIs, it doesn't take a genius to realise that. However Smith has performances where it counts as opposed to Kohli, too bad he's meh overall to be in consideration. David Warner is another example of a brilliant batsman who also rises to the occasion whether it's bilaterals or pressure filled semi/finals. You can even include Kohlis fellow countryman Shikar Dhawan who truly is a big match player.

Anyway this argument is going sideways. My initial point still stands, the gap between Kohli and then next best ODI batsman is very little as opposed to Smith and the next best test batsman.

No, you said that Kohli isn't too far of Smith in ODIs, which is a ridiculous claim. Performing in a semi-final or a final is not the only thing that matters. Kohli has done well in group stages (even in crucial matches like against Pakistan) and quarterfinals, and has obviously done really well in bilaterals, which puts him as one of the top 5 ODI batsman already and far better than anyone right now except AB.

 

[Ab Fan]

In tests, Smith wins hands down.

Other three are at same level.

It's important to note that quite a few 100s of Williamson have come vs likes of Ban, Zimbabwe and SL at home which isnt a great deal. Runs Vs SL in SL are of high value not in NZ particularly with the attack they are having in last two years or so.The inning Vs SA was a high quality one but he needs to continue it more.

Kohli has done well in terms of smacking hundreds but his innings haven't really helped his team give an overseas win.Him failing Vs Eng in England and Australia at home didn't helped the cause either.

Root's issue is lack of hundreds especially away from home where he has managed starts consistently but failed to convert them into big ones which could change the course of the game.

Clearly , it's tough to pick anyone right now apart from Smith who has proved his critics wrong with solid performance in India series.

In ODIs though, Kohli is by far the best.

 

[CanadianG00se]

No.

When I bring WC into discussion, its due to claims of Kohli being the best in the world. (WHICH I HAVE ALREADY STATED) however due to his chinks in important Finals and Semi Finals, Kohli is mediocre. This is the reason why I don't consider him some sort of Messiah who's rivalling Viv as the GOAT ODI player, I do consider him an outstanding batsman who does some ridiculous stuff and the current best ODI batsman, no doubt.

However, until he rectifies his mediocre performances when the heat is truly on, I will refuse to rate him. 2019 WC is gonna be major for him.

Lara was the joint (with sach) most dominant ODI batsman in the 90s so I don't understand why he's in discussion, not to mention he was brilliant in QF (that's the furthest his team sadly got, as opposed to King Kohli). But let's not bring in other people as discussion.

Smith is not better than Kohli in ODIs, it doesn't take a genius to realise that. However Smith has performances where it counts as opposed to Kohli, too bad he's meh overall to be in consideration. David Warner is another example of a brilliant batsman who also rises to the occasion whether it's bilaterals or pressure filled semi/finals. You can even include Kohlis fellow countryman Shikar Dhawan who truly is a big match player.

Anyway this argument is going sideways. My initial point still stands, the gap between Kohli and then next best ODI batsman is very little as opposed to Smith and the next best test batsman.

Lets agree to disagree. I never compared him to Viv or GOAT. I merely stated he is not inferior to Smith or any current batsman (maybe AbD is ahead).

In test
Smith

Kane
Root
Kohli

In Odis
Kohli
Smith
Root
Kane

In t20s
Kohli
Daylight


Smith
Root
Warner

Kane

Overall, Id take Kohli as he is the only batsman to average almost 50 across 3 formats. In coming years KL Rahul, Babar Azam could join the list if they manage to perform like the Fab 4.

 

[Sachin136]

Smithy is easily the best out of the four, no question. A tie between KW and Root and lastly Kohli. All of them are stupendous batsmen but nothing compared to Smith. I rate him extremely highly after his performances in India.

Root would overtake KW when he performs in Aus.

To be fair, 2 of his centuries in India were on extremely flat pitches and he gave 6 chances during his century in Pune.

Smith > Kane > Root > Kohli.

Kohli doesn't deserve to be in the Fab 4 in tests. He's much closer to the rest of the other "good batsmen" than he is to the genuinely great batsmen of this time in Smith, Root and Kane.

I don't see why anyone would put Kane or Root over Kohli. Kohli has done better than both of them away from home.

 

[Proactive_]

To be fair, 2 of his centuries in India were on extremely flat pitches and he gave 6 chances during his century in Pune.



I don't see why anyone would put Kane or Root over Kohli. Kohli has done better than both of them away from home.

Virat Kohli averages > 40 in just 11 out of 20 Test Series he has played. That's 55%.

In comparison, Williamson has averaged > 40 in 18 out of 28 series, i.e 64%.

Root has averaged > 40 on 14 occasions out of 18 total series he's played. That's a staggering 78%.

There is no comparison. Kohli is an unreliable test batsman who can go on an entire series without contributing anything like the England series away in 2014 or the Aus home series this year. Root and Williamson are far more reliable Test batsmen than Kohli, it's not even close. Kohli is more on the level of the likes of Azhar Ali and Angelo Mathews as a Test batsman.

 

[ExpressPacer]

To be fair, 2 of his centuries in India were on extremely flat pitches and he gave 6 chances during his century in Pune.



I don't see why anyone would put Kane or Root over Kohli. Kohli has done better than both of them away from home.

Most centuries aren't chance-less so I can't see the logic. And fair point but Kane and Root have been consistently performing and leading their respective teams in Test matches, Kohli just had a purple patch. Lets see if its a long one.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Virat Kohli averages > 40 in just 11 out of 20 Test Series he has played. That's 55%.

In comparison, Williamson has averaged > 40 in 18 out of 28 series, i.e 64%.

Root has averaged > 40 on 14 occasions out of 18 total series he's played. That's a staggering 78%.

There is no comparison. Kohli is an unreliable test batsman who can go on an entire series without contributing anything like the England series away in 2014 or the Aus home series this year. Root and Williamson are far more reliable Test batsmen than Kohli, it's not even close. Kohli is more on the level of the likes of Azhar Ali and Angelo Mathews as a Test batsman.

I dont know why would you have to breakdown averages by series. Most fans agree Kohli is not top test batsman. Imo he is 4th best behind Smith/Kane/Root.
Problem with Kohli in test matches is his shot selection which often result in his dismissal. He is bit aggressive for a test match.
Kohli might just avg in 50s in test when he retires which by international standard is very good. Reason why people dont rate him high in test matches is because of his ODI exploit.


When you disect stats further, you'll see that Root often throw his wicket away when he reaches 50(check OP). We can all potray stats in way to make our favourite player look better.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Most centuries aren't chance-less so I can't see the logic. And fair point but Kane and Root have been consistently performing and leading their respective teams in Test matches, Kohli just had a purple patch. Lets see if its a long one.

Tbh Root was pretty mediocre last year against India. Root record suggest he is beast at home and pretty average away from home. Id still rate him higher than Kohli as of now but just by an inch.

 

[shaz619]

Virat Kohli is the greatest of all time

 

[Proactive_]

I dont know why would you have to breakdown averages by series. Most fans agree Kohli is not top test batsman. Imo he is 4th best behind Smith/Kane/Root.
Problem with Kohli in test matches is his shot selection which often result in his dismissal. He is bit aggressive for a test match.
Kohli might just avg in 50s in test when he retires which by international standard is very good. Reason why people dont rate him high in test matches is because of his ODI exploit.


When you disect stats further, you'll see that Root often throw his wicket away when he reaches 50(check OP). We can all potray stats in way to make our favourite player look better.

It's because when it goes bad with Kohli, it goes real bad.. to the extent that he doesn't even resemble a batsman.. he starts resembling a tailender. In 4 out of his 20 Test series he averages 15 or less. That's an atrocious statistic for someone supposed to be one of the world's top batsmen.

Root and Wiiliamson, even in their worst of series manage to contribute in an inning or two atleast whereas Kohli goes on a vacation the entire series. That's not the mark of a great batsman.

 

[CanadianG00se]

It's because when it goes bad with Kohli, it goes real bad.. to the extent that he doesn't even resemble a batsman.. he starts resembling a tailender. In 4 out of his 20 Test series he averages 15 or less. That's an atrocious statistic for someone supposed to be one of the world's top batsmen.

Root and Wiiliamson, even in their worst of series manage to contribute in an inning or two atleast whereas Kohli goes on a vacation the entire series. That's not the mark of a great batsman.

That i agree which is very concerning. However, when Kohli brings his A game, he takes apart attack better than anyone.

Fortunately for Team India, they aren't solely dependent on Kohli to make runs.

 

[ExpressPacer]

People comparing Kohli and Smith is laughable. Kohli can only dream to play the way Smithy does in Tests.

 

[CanadianG00se]

People comparing Kohli and Smith is laughable. Kohli can only dream to play the way Smithy does in Tests.

No one denied that Smith is ahead of Kohli in test. Same way Smith can only dream of playing like Kohli had in ODIs. In t20s Smith is like tailender in comparison to Kohli (who averages 50s)

 

[ExpressPacer]

No one denied that Smith is ahead of Kohli in test. Same way Smith can only dream of playing like Kohli had in ODIs. In t20s Smith is like tailender in comparison to Kohli (who averages 50s)

I agree. Kohli is miles ahead of Smith in ODI's too but Smith has been consistently improving in the recent years. As for T/20's, who even takes that format seriously?

 

[Haz95]

No, you said that Kohli isn't too far of Smith in ODIs, which is a ridiculous claim. Performing in a semi-final or a final is not the only thing that matters. Kohli has done well in group stages (even in crucial matches like against Pakistan) and quarterfinals, and has obviously done really well in bilaterals, which puts him as one of the top 5 ODI batsman already and far better than anyone right now except AB.

He isn't. A dent in a WC is a massive ? on anyone's career. You can have multiple failures but be left off for one memorable inning while having multiple wins but a few failures in the important situations to ruin it all. E.g. Inzi failed in most WCs but he's remembered for that 1 inning while all his failures are forgotten. Meanwhile King Kohli has all these preliminary stage matches but not once notable final knock...the closest was a CT knock which was ok, a low total and wasn't against any odds.

AB de Villiers is slighly better than Kohli as he turned up in a few finals but managed to get himself out after making a good start (still better than Amlas and Kohlis utter failures). However that too is a dampner on ABs career. These batsmen btw are overanalysed due to being so highly rated and rated among the ATGreatests. Both are otherwise brilliant batsmen tho and would walk into pretty much any ODI teams ever.

Lets agree to disagree. I never compared him to Viv or GOAT. I merely stated he is not inferior to Smith or any current batsman (maybe AbD is ahead).

In test
Smith

Kane
Root
Kohli

In Odis
Kohli
Smith
Root
Kane

In t20s
Kohli
Daylight


Smith
Root
Warner

Kane

Overall, Id take Kohli as he is the only batsman to average almost 50 across 3 formats. In coming years KL Rahul, Babar Azam could join the list if they manage to perform like the Fab 4.

Lol I 100% agree with that list you just gave, it mirrored everything I said. Not sure about Babar Azam tbh, his innings to me lack much substance to put him in that elite category.

 

[DRsohail]

where is AZHAR ALI???

 

[Sachin136]

I agree. Kohli is miles ahead of Smith in ODI's too but Smith has been consistently improving in the recent years. As for T/20's, who even takes that format seriously?

Everyone?

 

[CanadianG00se]

I agree. Kohli is miles ahead of Smith in ODI's too but Smith has been consistently improving in the recent years. As for T/20's, who even takes that format seriously?

Most fans in India outside of this forum cares more about t20s than test matches. India hardly have full house for test matches, t20s would sell out within few hours.

In coming years T20s (clubs/league) will rule cricket world. Test matches is loss making business in most countries except big 3 and perhaps even SA.

 

[CanadianG00se]

He isn't. A dent in a WC is a massive ? on anyone's career. You can have multiple failures but be left off for one memorable inning while having multiple wins but a few failures in the important situations to ruin it all. E.g. Inzi failed in most WCs but he's remembered for that 1 inning while all his failures are forgotten. Meanwhile King Kohli has all these preliminary stage matches but not once notable final knock...the closest was a CT knock which was ok, a low total and wasn't against any odds.

AB de Villiers is slighly better than Kohli as he turned up in a few finals but managed to get himself out after making a good start (still better than Amlas and Kohlis utter failures). However that too is a dampner on ABs career. These batsmen btw are overanalysed due to being so highly rated and rated among the ATGreatests. Both are otherwise brilliant batsmen tho and would walk into pretty much any ODI teams ever.

Lol I 100% agree with that list you just gave, it mirrored everything I said. Not sure about Babar Azam tbh, his innings to me lack much substance to put him in that elite category.

Babar Azam have the potential to be part of next generation top batsmen along with KL Rahul, QDK. It will depend on his hunger and work ethics. He should try to copy Kohli's strong work ethics. As long as he have the hunger to improve, there is no reason as to why he cant be top performer.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Everyone?

No one I know takes statistics in T/20's seriously, but okay sure, I guess it may be different in your country.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Babar Azam have the potential to be part of next generation top batsmen along with KL Rahul, QDK. It will depend on his hunger and work ethics. He should try to copy Kohli's strong work ethics. As long as he have the hunger to improve, there is no reason as to why he cant be top performer.

Babar Azam is already 100 times the batsman KL Rahul can even dream of becoming.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Babar Azam is already 100 times the batsman KL Rahul can even dream of becoming.

sure whatever floats your boat

 

[Tusker]

Going by your logic
Munaf Patel > Waqar Younis.

Thats brilliant! However here is a even better comparison .... Madan Lal vs Waqar Younis


WorldCup Bowling stats of India and Pakistan bowlers:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=7;template=results;trophy=12;type=bowling

 

[kingusama92]

Smith is a tier above in Test cricket.

Smith
Kane
Root/Kohli

In ODIs and T20s, Kohli is a tier above.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Test - Smith, Kohli, Root, Williamson
ODI - Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson
Overall - Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Lol steve smith an odi average of 44 ( 11 runs less than kolhi) and an away ODI average of 27 is rated ahead of kohli in odis by some people, some people are so freaking clueless, it is hilarious

Exactly, Kohli is the king amongst them and he's still yet to his his peak in tests. It's just blind hate and some people are still in the high of Kohli s getting out in CT17 final.

 

[Abdul]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

What date did you use as your filter?

 

[Leo23]

Disagree. Until he does something of note in ODIs in an important match, I won't rate him much better than Smith, if at all.

In T20s he's untouched by any of them.

you can rate anyone you like but no one cares

it is the consensus of the majority that matters and not one or two irrelevant folks

kohli already has the third most odi tons in history and he is entering his peak years now

even if he goes through a lean patch he will still end up with 50+ odi tons

smith root and williamson will collectively struggle to score as many odi hundreds

kohli is considered by many as an odi atg already and someone who will finish as the greatest ever in this format

same is true for t20s

while smith is clearly the best in tests there is little to separate between kohli root and williamson

putting all three formats together kohli is leagues ahead of the rest and considering his status and stardom + his performances and captaincy record this era will be remembered for the kohli era

he is the biggest superstar in the game today and smith root or williamson cannot touch him

 

[Leo23]

nasir hussain the most renowned and respected commentator in the world considers kohli the best batsman in the world and not his fellow englishman root,but mr [MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION] the true expert is the real authority and knows more than nasir )

 

[Tusker]

Virat Kohli averages > 40 in just 11 out of 20 Test Series he has played. That's 55%.

In comparison, Williamson has averaged > 40 in 18 out of 28 series, i.e 64%.

Root has averaged > 40 on 14 occasions out of 18 total series he's played. That's a staggering 78%.

There is no comparison. Kohli is an unreliable test batsman who can go on an entire series without contributing anything like the England series away in 2014 or the Aus home series this year. Root and Williamson are far more reliable Test batsmen than Kohli, it's not even close. Kohli is more on the level of the likes of Azhar Ali and Angelo Mathews as a Test batsman.

I almost missed this gem ... ) Will become the most bumped/quoted/laughed at post on PP in time.
[MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION]

 

[Hasan123]

In tests its, Smith >Kohli >Root>Williamson
In ODIs I'll go with this order, Kohli >Root>Smith>Williamson

 

[Proactive_]

I almost missed this gem ... ) Will become the most bumped/quoted/laughed at post on PP in time.
[MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION]

I mean seriously, what exactly do you guys hype Kohli for as a Test cricketer? Let's see -

The guy started the home season with a mediocre average of 44, bashed legendary spinners like Ish Sodhi and Adil Rashid to prop up his average to around 50 and when Aus. came with a half decent spin attack he got demolished so bad that he couldn't even average 10 for the series. What a great test batsman lol. The most fair weather batsman I've ever seen in tests. An average of 40-45 at best is an accurate reflection of his talents in test cricket. Give me the likes of Azhar Ali or Angelo Mathews any day.

 

[Chrish]

If Roots issues are related to his back, it's only gonna get worse with the age

I mean right now he is supposed to be in the prime of his life..

 

[Tusker]

I mean seriously, what exactly do you guys hype Kohli for as a Test cricketer? Let's see -

The guy started the home season with a mediocre average of 44, bashed legendary spinners like Ish Sodhi and Adil Rashid to prop up his average to around 50 and when Aus. came with a half decent spin attack he got demolished so bad that he couldn't even average 10 for the series. What a great test batsman lol. The most fair weather batsman I've ever seen in tests. An average of 40-45 at best is an accurate reflection of his talents in test cricket. Give me the likes of Azhar Ali or Angelo Mathews any day.

Not going to waste time arguing with someone who rates a ODI batsmen based on 4-5 inngs against Eng ... Iam going to get similar "logic" ... instead I will let time do the talking and the eventual thread bumping. But then again you might find some brilliant excuse to writeoff any great inngs like you wrote off the 183 and 133*.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

What date did you use as your filter?

Last 2 years.

Can you correct Kane's century count in the OP, he has 7 100s in the last 2 years. 6 without Zimbabwe.

 

[Abdul]

Last 2 years.

Can you correct Kane's century count in the OP, he has 7 100s in the last 2 years. 6 without Zimbabwe.

Yes but 1 Jan 2015 / 26 Aug 2015?

 

[Aman]

Yes but 1 Jan 2015 / 26 Aug 2015?

26 Aug 2015

 

[Aman]

Root now 5 and 19.

That's a conversion rate of 0.208 (0.021)
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] better than Kohli and Kane

 

[Ab Fan]

Good inning but again if this would have been a 100+ score it would have been a match changing inning. The opposition is Windies anyways and yes a Kohli, Kane and Smith would have converted this into a big hundred here and turn the match.

Now England need another 70-80 to make a match of it or to put themselves in a better position.

 

[Ab Fan]

^ I meant another 70-80 from any of their individual bat to put themselves in a strong position..

 

[Aman]

^ I meant another 70-80 from any of their individual bat to put themselves in a strong position..

We know who's going to save England and win them the game

 

[James]

Interesting that by far the most naturally talented of the quartet, Kohli, has probably had the least success in Test cricket. Meanwhile by far the least naturally talented out of them, Smith, has probably had the most success. Seems that Test cricket is mostly about concentration, mental strength and guts above anything else.

 

[Ab Fan]

We know who's going to save England and win them the game

Moen is hell underrated. Very clutch with bat.

Root gotta convert these breezy scores to big ones sooner in Australia or else it would be very hard for them to win or draw Vs Aussies.

 

[BD-fan]

Steve Smith
Innings: 37
Not out: 6
100s: 9
50s: 8 (2 not outs)

We will make this "Alien like stats" more "human like stats" in two weeks.

 

[Aman]

We know who's going to save England and win them the game

Boom.

England's real #1 and #2 save England again.

We will make this "Alien like stats" more "human like stats" in two weeks.

Need to cross 50 to hurt those stats

 

[Chrish]

Kohl's problem is technical; inability to negate moving ball.

He has shown the ability to play marathon innings in favorable conditions

 

[Leo23]

Boom.

England's real #1 and #2 save England again.

so now stokes is england's real #2? )

some of your posts on stokes in the past

[MENTION=137369]Glen77[/MENTION] leave it, some Pakistani's seem to have a soft spot for mediocre all rounders.

I'd have Neesham in Tests and Anderson in ODI's, both are well ahead of the Next Botham

I don't even know what Stokes role is, Neesham so far has been a great batsmen for us in Tests while Anderson has been a great all rounder for us in ODI's. I'd like to call Stokes a decent bits and pieces cricketer, but I don't even think he's that. Maybe he falls under the Afridi category, whereby he shows up every 20-30 games and does jack all in the other 19-29?

Mate youtube clipit's don't count, if you've ever seen Neesham, Anderson and Stokes bat you'll know Neesham is a best Test batsmen of the 3 and Anderson is the best ODI batsmen of the 3.

All 3 are pretty ordinary bowlers, with Anderson being the most effective in ODI's and Stokes being the more effective in Tests.

 

[Bilal7]

1) Smith
2) Kane
3) Root
4) Kohli

 

[thehub]

1) kohli
2) Smith
3) Root
4) Kane

 

[AlizeeFan]

1) Smith
2) Kane
3) Root
4) Kohli

Will you pick Root over Kohli in Aus, SA, India, NZ and Sri Lanka?

 

[Aman]

so now stokes is england's real #2? )

some of your posts on stokes in the past

For someone who has been here since July, you sure know about my past post history. And like I've said before, the world is not static. Things do not remain constant, like Stokes for example. He has come on well the last few years and is proving himself to be a match winner. Root could be the same, I don't think he lives up to the hype and is overrated. In a years time, he could be the worlds best batsmen. I'm not going to leave my head in the sand and continue to say otherwise if he's scoring 100s and winning matches.

 

[Ted123]

Root finally gets a match winning hundred away.

 

[Ab Fan]

Overall, the ranking of fab Four is:-

Kohli
Smith
Root
Williamson

It will be a disappointment if either of the four don't get to 10,000 tests runs. Williamson plays lesser tests but he is just 29 and should continue till 36-37.

 

[AMSS]

Interesting that by far the most naturally talented of the quartet, Kohli, has probably had the least success in Test cricket. Meanwhile by far the least naturally talented out of them, Smith, has probably had the most success. Seems that Test cricket is mostly about concentration, mental strength and guts above anything else.

Got to laugh at this one for the bogus content. Kohli is easily the least naturally talented, and got to the top purely through force of will.

 

[James]

Got to laugh at this one for the bogus content. Kohli is easily the least naturally talented, and got to the top purely through force of will.

Totally disagree, Kohli is amongst the most talented Indian batsmen that I have seen along with Yuvi and Tendulkar.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Overall, the ranking of Fab Four is:-

Kohli
Smith
Root
Williamson

Agree. Smith only above Root and Williamson is because of his test performances. Otherwise, Smith is the worst in T20s among these and arguably the last in ODIs as well.

 

[Peshwa]

Will you pick Root over Kohli in Aus, SA, India, NZ and Sri Lanka?

Kohli lucky to be there in his list
One year down the line i can see babar replacing kohli in fab four list of Bilal

 

[cricketindiafan]

In the last two years, Kohli and Smith have been leagues ahead of other batsmen. Root averages 47, Williamson 52 while the top 2 are at 70. Lack of test cricket has hurt Williamson

Interestingly most batsmen average below 50. Run scoring has definitely not been as easy

 

[Indiafan]

Got to laugh at this one for the bogus content. Kohli is easily the least naturally talented, and got to the top purely through force of will.

Lmao, some of kohli shots are outstanding and he has 2 3 shots for the same ball. I dont know if you have ever watched him bat