Conversion rates for the new Fab four (last two years)

[Tusker]

Not going to waste time arguing with someone who rates a ODI batsmen based on 4-5 inngs against Eng ... Iam going to get similar "logic" ... instead I will let time do the talking and the eventual thread bumping. But then again you might find some brilliant excuse to writeoff any great inngs like you wrote off the 183 and 133*.

[MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION]

Let the excuses begin )

 

[Proactive_]

[MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION]

Let the excuses begin )

LOL you talk as if Kohli suddenly became Bradman in the course of 1 year. Let's get to the facts - He averaged 54.93 in the overseas tours in the previous year. Supposedly for someone who is being hailed as an ATG in the PRIME of this career, this is hilariously underwhelming. When Viv Richards was in his prime, he averaged 110+ and 95+ in his tours to Eng and Aus respectively. Dravid averaged 100+ in his tour to England in 2002 and scored more runs in 3 Tests than Kohli could in 5. Hell, someone like Mohinder Amaranth who is hailed as an ATG by no one did much better in his prime on his tours against some of the best attacks of all time in WI and Pak in 82-83.

Not to forget that the English attack Kohli faced consisted of:

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

It's hilarious that you trumpet these performances as some sort of earth shattering achievements when the "master chaser" choked in 2 low 4th innings chases, instances where his supposed "chasing genius" was badly needed.

But alright, if it makes you feel better, Kohli is probably a bit better than Angelo Mathews and Azhar Ali now. Still insanely overrated though. Thanks to all those 100s and 200s against WI and SL at home .

 

[Tusker]

I mean seriously, what exactly do you guys hype Kohli for as a Test cricketer? Let's see -

The guy started the home season with a mediocre average of 44, bashed legendary spinners like Ish Sodhi and Adil Rashid to prop up his average to around 50 and when Aus. came with a half decent spin attack he got demolished so bad that he couldn't even average 10 for the series. What a great test batsman lol. The most fair weather batsman I've ever seen in tests. An average of 40-45 at best is an accurate reflection of his talents in test cricket. Give me the likes of Azhar Ali or Angelo Mathews any day.

Not going to waste time arguing with someone who rates a ODI batsmen based on 4-5 inngs against Eng ... Iam going to get similar "logic" ... instead I will let time do the talking and the eventual thread bumping. But then again you might find some brilliant excuse to writeoff any great inngs like you wrote off the 183 and 133*.

Kohli's stats Since that post was made : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Avg 76 S/R 65 ... let me know if you want to look at ODI stats

 

[Sachin136]

Kohli's stats Since that post was made : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Avg 76 S/R 65 ... let me know if you want to look at ODI stats

Are you really going to waste your time arguing with someone who writes off Anderson as an "aging pacer", despite his averages in recent years being 22.51 (2018), 17.58 (2017), 23.73 (2016), 22.65 (2015), and 22.12 (2014)?

 

[Mirpur express]

Kohli has moved up a level since this post.. best in Asia by a mile & ahead of the other 3 too

 

[Tusker]

LOL you talk as if Kohli suddenly became Bradman in the course of 1 year. Let's get to the facts - He averaged 54.93 in the overseas tours in the previous year. Supposedly for someone who is being hailed as an ATG in the PRIME of this career, this is hilariously underwhelming. When Viv Richards was in his prime, he averaged 110+ and 95+ in his tours to Eng and Aus respectively. Dravid averaged 100+ in his tour to England in 2002 and scored more runs in 3 Tests than Kohli could in 5. Hell, someone like Mohinder Amaranth who is hailed as an ATG by no one did much better in his prime on his tours against some of the best attacks of all time in WI and Pak in 82-83.

Not to forget that the English attack Kohli faced consisted of:

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

It's hilarious that you trumpet these performances as some sort of earth shattering achievements when the "master chaser" choked in 2 low 4th innings chases, instances where his supposed "chasing genius" was badly needed.

But alright, if it makes you feel better, Kohli is probably a bit better than Angelo Mathews and Azhar Ali now. Still insanely overrated though. Thanks to all those 100s and 200s against WI and SL at home .

As sure as the event of Sunrise ... [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] comes in with his cherry picked selective stats ... werent you singing praises of Kapil in the other thread based on ICC Player Rankings for Tests ? Have you checked Kohlis ICC Test Rankings recently ? Werent you singing praises of Smith and Co for hammering the same English attack that too at home ? How did Smith do in SA facing the same bowlers that Kohli did ? And how many runs did Smith score chasing a massive total of 188 in B'luru ... Going by your hilarious standards "he choked in a low 4th inngs chase then" ehh ?

you see two can easily play this game of stats cherry picking and I can guarantee you that I will outgun you lolz )

 

[Proactive_]

As sure as the event of Sunrise ... [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] comes in with his cherry picked selective stats ... werent you singing praises of Kapil in the other thread based on ICC Player Rankings for Tests ? Have you checked Kohlis ICC Test Ratings recently ? Werent you singing praises of Smith and Co for hammering the same English attack that too at home ? How did Smith do in SA facing the same bowlers that Kohli did ? And how many runs did Smith score chasing a massive total of 188 in B'luru ... Going by your hilarious standards "he choked in a low 4th inngs chase then" ehh ?

you see two can easily play this game of stats cherry picking and I can guarantee you that I will outgun you lolz )

I think the fact that you compare chasing 188 on a Day 4/5 subcontinental track which was doctored to spin from Ball 1 to boot to chasing a target in England (where even WI chased 300+ in the 4th innings recently) speaks volumes of your competence (or complete lack of it) at deciphering cricketing matters.

Not surprising in the least though.

 

[Tusker]

Are you really going to waste your time arguing with someone who writes off Anderson as an "aging pacer", despite his averages in recent years being 22.51 (2018), 17.58 (2017), 23.73 (2016), 22.65 (2015), and 22.12 (2014)?

Mucho fun getting [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] all would up ,tangled and mangled using his own bakwas words , stats and ofcourse "logic"

 

[Tusker]

I think the fact that you compare chasing 188 on a Day 4/5 subcontinental track which was doctored to spin from Ball 1 to boot to chasing a target in England (where even WI chased 300+ in the 4th innings recently) speaks volumes of your competence (or complete lack of it) at deciphering cricketing matters.

Not surprising in the least though.

Genius did you even watch the Eng and SA Test series ? LMAO at the logic used here ... Team X chased 300 in the 4th inngs a year ago on Ground A therefore all 4th inngs chases should be similarly easy on any Ground in Eng. Have a look at the scorecards in the 2 series and tell me how many times each team crossed 300 or 400. That should tell you the difference.

And I see you conveniently ignored other points ? Or did Kohli's ICC Test rating give you a shock ... )

BTW ... how long before you runaway from this thread ? Not much I think.

 

[Tusker]

LOL you talk as if Kohli suddenly became Bradman in the course of 1 year. Let's get to the facts - He averaged 54.93 in the overseas tours in the previous year. Supposedly for someone who is being hailed as an ATG in the PRIME of this career, this is hilariously underwhelming. When Viv Richards was in his prime, he averaged 110+ and 95+ in his tours to Eng and Aus respectively. Dravid averaged 100+ in his tour to England in 2002 and scored more runs in 3 Tests than Kohli could in 5. Hell, someone like Mohinder Amaranth who is hailed as an ATG by no one did much better in his prime on his tours against some of the best attacks of all time in WI and Pak in 82-83.

Rahul Dravid made a grand sum of 624 runs (22 inngs) in SA and 1166 Runs (32 inngs) in AUS ... Kohli's tally stands at 558 runs ( 10 inngs) and 992 runs ( 16 inngs ) . I will be kind on you and ignore the Strike rates lol. So basically he is almost achieved what Dravid did in those countries in half the number of innings. And let me know if you want me to similarly do a rectal analysis of any player vs Kohli. This is a very easy game to play

 

[Proactive_]

Rahul Dravid made a grand sum of 624 runs (22 inngs) in SA and 1166 Runs (32 inngs) in AUS ... Kohli's tally stands at 558 runs ( 10 inngs) and 992 runs ( 16 inngs ) . I will be kind on you and ignore the Strike rates lol. So basically he is almost achieved what Dravid did in those countries in half the number of innings. And let me know if you want me to similarly do a rectal analysis of any player vs Kohli. This is a very easy game to play

And what about the fact that Dravid has scored 1376 runs in 23 Innings in England while Kohli is barely at 700 odd in 20 innings?

What about the fact that Dravid averaged 65 in WI facing attacks miles better than what Kohli has who's managed to average barely 35 there?

What about the fact that Dravid had to face spinners the class of Warne and Murali, two of the most prolific bowlers in cricketing history while the best Kohli has had to face is Nathan frickin' Lyon (and he still got owned last year )

What about the fact that Kohli hasn't and most probably will never play innings as definitive as Dravid's:

*180 at Kolkata against arguably the greatest attack of all time being 1 down in the series and following on,

* 270 at Rawalpindi to win India's first Test series ever in Pak

* 233 at Adelaide to win India's first Test in Australia in 20+ years

* 81 and 68 at Jamaica 2006 to win India it's first series in WI in 35 years, on a pitch where the scores in the 4 innings read - 200, 103, 171 and 219.



What about the fact Dravid at 38 years old scored 3 centuries in England averaging 76+ in the process against peak Anderson and Broad while "King" Kohli is being paraded as some sort of god for averaging 59 and choking in 2 chases

What about the fact that Dravid averaged below 20 in just 4 out of the 60 series he played in his career while Konsistent King Kohli has already averaged <20 in 4 series out of the barely 24 series he's played so far

I mean, I know you like putting yourself in a hole every now and then but this comparison is just hilarious. Kohli has to take 10 births to become half the batsman Dravid was. If Kohli debuted in the late 90s, his career would have been ended in a couple of years. A clown like Kohli who took almost 10 years to finally rectify his 4th stump game against the swinging ball would have been a tailender against the likes of McGrath, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, Bond etc etc, just some of the few bowlers who would have had him on toast day in and day out.. bowlers Dravid had to face and score runs against.

Please, look man.. you can be a decent (at best) poster on your day.. but please.. don't post stuff SO diabolical that it almost borders on insanity. Please.. it's a request

 

[Tusker]

And what about the fact that Dravid has scored 1376 runs in 23 Innings in England while Kohli is barely at 700 odd in 20 innings?

Its the same exact reason why you dont rate Kohli's performances in SA and AUS for silly reasons. Its otherwise known as Cherry picking stats to chose ones agenda. I can similarly very easily decide which performances are important and when just like you do.

So here to answer your question about Eng: the England bowling attack that RD faced in 2002 is nowhere near as good as the ones he faced in SA. Also there were only 2 series in Aus where both Warne and McGrath played, 1999 and the one-off 2005 Super Test - Dravids avg in those 4 Tests : 14.5 ! at a grand strike rate of 26. Taken out 6 out of 8 times by Warne or McGrath. And then you have the cheek to criticize Kohli's technique.

As I said I will gladly run you down using your own rules of Engagement against you.


PS: I see that you listed RD's 180 in Kolkatta - So since when did you begin to rate Home performances of Indian Players ?


And third time - Are you going to respond to my point about Kohli's ICC Test Player ratings or you going to pretend that I didnt ask that. )

 

[AMSS]

Totally disagree, Kohli is amongst the most talented Indian batsmen that I have seen along with Yuvi and Tendulkar.

Yeah, no.

Sehwag was naturally talented, as was yuvi. Virat has a very 'learned' technique, and not a natural one. If you cannot tell the difference between the two then we'll just disagree.

But you weren't *just* wrong WRT Virat's natural batting talent, but also his mental strength. Colossally wrong on TWO counts. Virat's like two streets ahead of mental midgets like Root with his typically frail English mindset. That's all.

 

[Proactive_]

Its the same exact reason why you dont rate Kohli's performances in SA and AUS for silly reasons. Its otherwise known as Cherry picking stats to chose ones agenda. I can similarly very easily decide which performances are important and when just like you do.

That's a pretty creative way of saying that you can't handle facts. Got to give it to you there.

So here to answer your question about Eng: the England bowling attack that RD faced in 2002 is nowhere near as good as the ones he faced in SA. Also there were only 2 series in Aus where both Warne and McGrath played, 1999 and the one-off 2005 Super Test - Dravids avg in those 4 Tests : 14.5 ! at a grand strike rate of 26. Taken out 6 out of 8 times by Warne or McGrath. And then you have the cheek to criticize Kohli's technique.

So now you'll compare Kohli and Dravid on technique? I mean even the most ardent of Kohli worshippers wouldn't dare to go there tbh. I advise you to reconsider this EMBARRASSING proposition.

As I said I will gladly run you down using your own rules of Engagement against you.


PS: I see that you listed RD's 180 in Kolkatta - So since when did you begin to rate Home performances of Indian Players ?

You obviously missed my posts when I rated Pujara's 92 at Bangalore last year as the Innings of the year. Great innings are great innings. The problem you have is me not rating those Kohli 100s and 200s against WI and SL at home while Kohli went AWOL against the only decent spin attack he had to face in the home season in Lyon-O Keefe.. averaging <10 in the process

And third time - Are you going to respond to my point about Kohli's ICC Test Player ratings or you going to pretend that I didnt ask that. )

I mean, what exactly are you bragging about ratings anyway. Kohli has been playing Test cricket for 8+ years. He's been ranked No.1 for barely a few months now. Some Batsman of the Generation is this guy Smith was No.1 for 3 years straight, come back when Kohli even reaches 33% of that.

 

[Tusker]

That's a pretty creative way of saying that you can't handle facts. Got to give it to you there.

So now you'll compare Kohli and Dravid on technique? I mean even the most ardent of Kohli worshippers wouldn't dare to go there tbh. I advise you to reconsider this EMBARRASSING proposition.

Its called feeding you with your own junk meds till you OD and run away ... Now if you still havent OD'd lets talk about Dravids Avg of under 15 facing McWarne and under 30 facing Steyn or Wasim . Not to mention that stunning S/R of under 35 lol. Maybe you are confusing the Ball Faced as Runs Scored while analyzing Drawids career and supposedly the great takneek ? Some great technical perectionist this guy

You obviously missed my posts when I rated Pujara's 92 at Bangalore last year as the Innings of the year. Great innings are great innings. The problem you have is me not rating those Kohli 100s and 200s against WI and SL at home while Kohli went AWOL against the only decent spin attack he had to face in the home season in Lyon-O Keefe.. averaging <10 in the process

The problem is your moronic rating "system" that has a "IF Kohli" clause in it

and arent you forgetting something ? Something about you being a Kohli hater and fan-boi of the likes of Rahane, Pujara etc )

I mean look at you ... here you are mocking Kohli's efforts in Eng where he made twice the amount of runs as the next guy and was single handedly responsible for keeping us in the game ( Scoring 200 runs in a match twice ! )

As I said bring it on ... I will outrun you using YOUR own nonsensical logic.

I mean, what exactly are you bragging about ratings anyway. Kohli has been playing Test cricket for 8+ years. He's been ranked No.1 for barely a few months now. Some Batsman of the Generation is this guy Smith was No.1 for 3 years straight, come back when Kohli even reaches 33% of that.

Genius the point is about peak rating . compare that to your heroes peak rating and come back here and tell us who is the king. Hint: It is closer to Bradmans peak rating than Dravids. Whats your excuse going to be to run down that achievement ?

anyhow ... Have you checked how long your Hero Drawid was rated #1 even after playing 160+ Tests ? And you have the cheek to question how long Kohli has been at top who hasnt even played half as many tests yet ? )

PS: Let me know when you are ready to do the ODI comparisons between Kohli and Dravid

 

[Proactive_]

Its called feeding you with your own junk meds till you OD and run away ... Now if you still havent OD'd lets talk about Dravids Avg of under 15 facing McWarne and under 30 facing Steyn or Wasim . Not to mention that stunning S/R of under 35 lol. Maybe you are confusing the Ball Faced as Runs Scored while analyzing Drawids career and supposedly the great takneek ? Some great technical perectionist this guy

You talk as if struggling against McGrath is akin to struggling against Stuart Binny or something . Every top batsman (including your God Tendulkar) struggled against McGrath. Dravid handled Warne just fine.

The problem is your moronic rating "system" that has a "IF Kohli" clause in it

and arent you forgetting something ? Something about you being a Kohli hater and fan-boi of the likes of Rahane, Pujara etc )

Can you please write this back with better wording because this is incomprehensible, whatever the hell this means lol.

I mean look at you ... here you are mocking Kohli's efforts in Eng where he made twice the amount of runs as the next guy and was single handedly responsible for keeping us in the game ( Scoring 200 runs in a match twice ! )

As I said bring it on ... I will outrun you using YOUR own nonsensical logic.

He will obviously score than everyone when he practically makes sure no one in his team can get a consistent run lol. He's dropped everyone from Rahane to Pujara to Rahul. He and his clown buddy Shastri have made sure that everyone except Kohli are playing with an added pressure of saving their places in the team. Also, as I pointed out earlier, this is the attack Kohli faced in England:

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

If averaging 59 against this attack at the PEAK of someone whose considered the greatest batsman of this generation (lol) is considered as some sort of astounding achievement then I don't know what to say.

Genius the point is about peak rating . compare that to your heroes peak rating and come back here and tell us who is the king. Hint: It is closer to Bradmans peak rating than Dravids. Whats your excuse going to be to run down that achievement ?

Joe Root's peak rating: 917
Sachin "The God (Fraud)" Tendulkar's peak rating: 898

Nice to see that you think that Joe Root is a better batsman than Tendulkar

anyhow ... Have you checked how long your Hero Drawid was rated #1 even after playing 160+ Tests ? And you have the cheek to question how long Kohli has been at top who hasnt even played half as many tests yet ? )

PS: Let me know when you are ready to do the ODI comparisons between Kohli and Dravid

The field when Dravid was No.1 :

1 891 R. Dravid IND 892 v Pakistan, 20/03/2005
2 883 M.L. Hayden AUS 935 v England, 11/11/2002
3 839 B.C. Lara WI 911 v South Africa, 06/01/2004
4 829 R.T. Ponting AUS 942 v England, 05/12/2006
5 806 J.H. Kallis SA 935 v New Zealand, 22/11/2007
6 783 S.R. Tendulkar IND 898 v Zimbabwe, 25/02/2002
7 781 Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK 870 v England, 03/12/2005
8 779 V. Sehwag IND 866 v Sri Lanka, 22/07/2010
9 762 H.H. Gibbs SA 825 v West Indies, 20/01/2004
10 759 M.H. Richardson NZ 773 v Pakistan, 30/12/2003

The field when Clown Kohli is No. 1:

1 935 V. Kohli IND 937 v England, 22/08/2018
2 910 S.P.D. Smith AUS 947 v England, 30/12/2017
3 847 K.S. Williamson NZ 893 v Australia, 17/11/2015
4 835 J.E. Root ENG 917 v Australia, 10/08/2015
5 803 D.A. Warner AUS 880 v India, 13/12/2014
6 765 C.A. Pujara IND 888 v Sri Lanka, 27/11/2017
7 754 F.D.M. Karunaratne SL 754 v South Africa, 22/07/2018
8 733 L.D. Chandimal SL 755 v West Indies, 18/06/2018
9 724 D. Elgar SA 784 v Australia, 03/04/2018
10 703 A.K. Markram 759 v Australia, 03/04/2018

Such a great field with such such immense competition with legends like Elgar, Markram, Chandimal and Karunaratane in the Top 10. Compare that with the field Dravid had to face where everyone except maybe Richardson was a genuine contender for being the best batsman in the world at some point of their careers.

And don't worry, I'll clown you in the ODI discussion as well. Dravid's 1999 WC performance trumps everything Kohli has ever done in ODI cricket where he has a PhD at choking in WC knockouts

 

[Reyansh2017]

Oh my god you people are still entertaining this guy?

 

[Rahul1]

You talk as if struggling against McGrath is akin to struggling against Stuart Binny or something . Every top batsman (including your God Tendulkar) struggled against McGrath. Dravid handled Warne just fine.





Can you please write this back with better wording because this is incomprehensible, whatever the hell this means lol.



He will obviously score than everyone when he practically makes sure no one in his team can get a consistent run lol. He's dropped everyone from Rahane to Pujara to Rahul. He and his clown buddy Shastri have made sure that everyone except Kohli are playing with an added pressure of saving their places in the team. Also, as I pointed out earlier, this is the attack Kohli faced in England:

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

If averaging 59 against this attack at the PEAK of someone whose considered the greatest batsman of this generation (lol) is considered as some sort of astounding achievement then I don't know what to say.




Joe Root's peak rating: 917
Sachin "The God (Fraud)" Tendulkar's peak rating: 898

Nice to see that you think that Joe Root is a better batsman than Tendulkar



The field when Dravid was No.1 :

1 891 R. Dravid IND 892 v Pakistan, 20/03/2005
2 883 M.L. Hayden AUS 935 v England, 11/11/2002
3 839 B.C. Lara WI 911 v South Africa, 06/01/2004
4 829 R.T. Ponting AUS 942 v England, 05/12/2006
5 806 J.H. Kallis SA 935 v New Zealand, 22/11/2007
6 783 S.R. Tendulkar IND 898 v Zimbabwe, 25/02/2002
7 781 Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK 870 v England, 03/12/2005
8 779 V. Sehwag IND 866 v Sri Lanka, 22/07/2010
9 762 H.H. Gibbs SA 825 v West Indies, 20/01/2004
10 759 M.H. Richardson NZ 773 v Pakistan, 30/12/2003

The field when Clown Kohli is No. 1:

1 935 V. Kohli IND 937 v England, 22/08/2018
2 910 S.P.D. Smith AUS 947 v England, 30/12/2017
3 847 K.S. Williamson NZ 893 v Australia, 17/11/2015
4 835 J.E. Root ENG 917 v Australia, 10/08/2015
5 803 D.A. Warner AUS 880 v India, 13/12/2014
6 765 C.A. Pujara IND 888 v Sri Lanka, 27/11/2017
7 754 F.D.M. Karunaratne SL 754 v South Africa, 22/07/2018
8 733 L.D. Chandimal SL 755 v West Indies, 18/06/2018
9 724 D. Elgar SA 784 v Australia, 03/04/2018
10 703 A.K. Markram 759 v Australia, 03/04/2018

Such a great field with such such immense competition with legends like Elgar, Markram, Chandimal and Karunaratane in the Top 10. Compare that with the field Dravid had to face where everyone except maybe Richardson was a genuine contender for being the best batsman in the world at some point of their careers.

And don't worry, I'll clown you in the ODI discussion as well. Dravid's 1999 WC performance trumps everything Kohli has ever done in ODI cricket where he has a PhD at choking in WC knockouts

Your non stop whining is not going to change the fact that Kohli is the best batsman of his generation and Tendulkar was of his generation (at worst the second best).

 

[Rahul1]

And [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION], Dravid is an ATG and an Indian legend. There is no reason for you to insult him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You talk as if struggling against McGrath is akin to struggling against Stuart Binny or something . Every top batsman (including your God Tendulkar) struggled against McGrath. Dravid handled Warne just fine.





Can you please write this back with better wording because this is incomprehensible, whatever the hell this means lol.



He will obviously score than everyone when he practically makes sure no one in his team can get a consistent run lol. He's dropped everyone from Rahane to Pujara to Rahul. He and his clown buddy Shastri have made sure that everyone except Kohli are playing with an added pressure of saving their places in the team. Also, as I pointed out earlier, this is the attack Kohli faced in England:

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

If averaging 59 against this attack at the PEAK of someone whose considered the greatest batsman of this generation (lol) is considered as some sort of astounding achievement then I don't know what to say.




Joe Root's peak rating: 917
Sachin "The God (Fraud)" Tendulkar's peak rating: 898

Nice to see that you think that Joe Root is a better batsman than Tendulkar



The field when Dravid was No.1 :

1 891 R. Dravid IND 892 v Pakistan, 20/03/2005
2 883 M.L. Hayden AUS 935 v England, 11/11/2002
3 839 B.C. Lara WI 911 v South Africa, 06/01/2004
4 829 R.T. Ponting AUS 942 v England, 05/12/2006
5 806 J.H. Kallis SA 935 v New Zealand, 22/11/2007
6 783 S.R. Tendulkar IND 898 v Zimbabwe, 25/02/2002
7 781 Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK 870 v England, 03/12/2005
8 779 V. Sehwag IND 866 v Sri Lanka, 22/07/2010
9 762 H.H. Gibbs SA 825 v West Indies, 20/01/2004
10 759 M.H. Richardson NZ 773 v Pakistan, 30/12/2003

The field when Clown Kohli is No. 1:

1 935 V. Kohli IND 937 v England, 22/08/2018
2 910 S.P.D. Smith AUS 947 v England, 30/12/2017
3 847 K.S. Williamson NZ 893 v Australia, 17/11/2015
4 835 J.E. Root ENG 917 v Australia, 10/08/2015
5 803 D.A. Warner AUS 880 v India, 13/12/2014
6 765 C.A. Pujara IND 888 v Sri Lanka, 27/11/2017
7 754 F.D.M. Karunaratne SL 754 v South Africa, 22/07/2018
8 733 L.D. Chandimal SL 755 v West Indies, 18/06/2018
9 724 D. Elgar SA 784 v Australia, 03/04/2018
10 703 A.K. Markram 759 v Australia, 03/04/2018

Such a great field with such such immense competition with legends like Elgar, Markram, Chandimal and Karunaratane in the Top 10. Compare that with the field Dravid had to face where everyone except maybe Richardson was a genuine contender for being the best batsman in the world at some point of their careers.

And don't worry, I'll clown you in the ODI discussion as well. Dravid's 1999 WC performance trumps everything Kohli has ever done in ODI cricket where he has a PhD at choking in WC knockouts

To each their own. Tendulkar is a distant second to Kohli. He has proved with amazing conversion consistency. You are living in the past man. You sound like you are 60 year old lol. Welcome to modern cricket. Dravid was a great batsman in his era. But he was not even close to dominating an attack like Kohli does. Try to understand cricket first before randomly throwing out comparison. There was a reason why Dravid/Kallis/Chanderpaul kind of batsmen were one rung below Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting. Fact that you omitte Smith, Williamson, Root kinda underlines what an half-baked cricketing knowledge you have. Anywho your agenda is to run down Indian team lol You are only fooling yourself with pathetic analysis.

 

[Tusker]

You talk as if struggling against McGrath is akin to struggling against Stuart Binny or something . Every top batsman (including your God Tendulkar) struggled against McGrath. Dravid handled Warne just fine.

Dont like your own meds now ? Wait we knew that all along .Tough sh!t. Jimmys stats in Eng are comparable to McGraths in Aus and at a much better S/R. Atleast Kohli bossed him in one series what did Jammy do against McGrath ? Not a single 50 ! Infact did not even cross 40. But plenty of Centuries in balls faced. Some great this guy.

SRT scored a 50 against McGrath and Warne in the very first test he faced them together in AUS. In the next Test he made a hundred. Do you even know what your talking ?

Can you please write this back with better wording because this is incomprehensible, whatever the hell this means lol.

You forget to mention your horrific and blatant biases when you selectively start rating players on home.

He will obviously score than everyone when he practically makes sure no one in his team can get a consistent run lol. He's dropped everyone from Rahane to Pujara to Rahul. He and his clown buddy Shastri have made sure that everyone except Kohli are playing with an added pressure of saving their places in the team. Also, as I pointed out earlier, this is the attack Kohli faced in England:

Rahane had a consistent run till his form dropped. Couldnt even buy a run against SL .. thats why he lost his spot. Rahul played all Tests in Eng. Puara is a home track specialist.

1) Two aging medium pacers
2) a 20 year old rookie
3) An all rounder just out of jail
4) A Leg spinner who had given up on Red ball cricket altogether
5) An off spinner who wasn't even a certainty in the team.

If averaging 59 against this attack at the PEAK of someone whose considered the greatest batsman of this generation (lol) is considered as some sort of astounding achievement then I don't know what to say.

How old do you think McWarne and Kasprowicz were when they owned Dravid both home and away in 2004/2005 ... pretty much the same age as Jimmy and Broad are now. Wait let me guess you dont like your own criteria used against you ... tell me something new lol

Joe Root's peak rating: 917
Sachin "The God (Fraud)" Tendulkar's peak rating: 898

Nice to see that you think that Joe Root is a better batsman than Tendulkar

genius thats your own criteria that you used elsewhere ... now that it has backfired you are howling and screaming and looking to add filters ? Tough sh!t you cant have it both ways.

And don't worry, I'll clown you in the ODI discussion as well. Dravid's 1999 WC performance trumps everything Kohli has ever done in ODI cricket where he has a PhD at choking in WC knockouts

Have you forgotten the 2007 WC where his captaincy lead us to a 1st round exit )

 

[Ab Fan]

Both Dravid and Kohli are legends of the game and it is up to us to decide who did more to their country, they are our players. And well respected across all parts of the world.

Just like Australians decide who was better between Ponting, Chappell, Border and Waugh.

And just like Saffers can decide who is better between Steyn and Donald and Pollock.

 

[Super Santi]

Dont like your own meds now ? Wait we knew that all along .Tough sh!t. Jimmys stats in Eng are comparable to McGraths in Aus and at a much better S/R. Atleast Kohli bossed him in one series what did Jammy do against McGrath ? Not a single 50 ! Infact did not even cross 40. But plenty of Centuries in balls faced. Some great this guy.

SRT scored a 50 against McGrath and Warne in the very first test he faced them together in AUS. In the next Test he made a hundred. Do you even know what your talking ?




You forget to mention your horrific and blatant biases when you selectively start rating players on home.




Rahane had a consistent run till his form dropped. Couldnt even buy a run against SL .. thats why he lost his spot. Rahul played all Tests in Eng. Puara is a home track specialist.






How old do you think McWarne and Kasprowicz were when they owned Dravid both home and away in 2004/2005 ... pretty much the same age as Jimmy and Broad are now. Wait let me guess you dont like your own criteria used against you ... tell me something new lol





genius thats your own criteria that you used elsewhere ... now that it has backfired you are howling and screaming and looking to add filters ? Tough sh!t you cant have it both ways.




Have you forgotten the 2007 WC where his captaincy lead us to a 1st round exit )

Agree that Kohli has been incredible recently but there is no way you can say he bossed Anderson in this tour

At least 2 dropped catches and 3-4 near-misses.
Kohli had quite a lot of luck to not get out to Anderson.

That is not taking away from the fact he was outstanding on that tour.

 

[Tusker]

Agree that Kohli has been incredible recently but there is no way you can say he bossed Anderson in this tour

At least 2 dropped catches and 3-4 near-misses.
Kohli had quite a lot of luck to not get out to Anderson.

That is not taking away from the fact he was outstanding on that tour.

Thats YOUR own way of looking at things. However nobody rates innings this way. Otherwise there would be very few great innings. And it works both ways. For instance you dont mention the luck and advantages that Anderson had.

 

[Proactive_]

Dont like your own meds now ? Wait we knew that all along .Tough sh!t. Jimmys stats in Eng are comparable to McGraths in Aus and at a much better S/R. Atleast Kohli bossed him in one series what did Jammy do against McGrath ? Not a single 50 ! Infact did not even cross 40. But plenty of Centuries in balls faced. Some great this guy.

And what about the fact that Dravid had to face guys like Warne, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc ALONG with McGrath in the same attack. What are the incredible bowlers Kohli faced this tour along with Anderson, a Stuart Broad who can't even make the team now? Or the two spinners who aren't even regulars and one of them had even quit red ball cricket?

Yeah, right. Atleast Dravid had an outstanding series in 2003-04 against the likes of Gillespie, Lee, McGill, Bichel.. an attack still MILES better than what Kohli had to face in England.

SRT scored a 50 against McGrath and Warne in the very first test he faced them together in AUS. In the next Test he made a hundred. Do you even know what your talking ?

SRT hardly averaged 36 in Tests in which McGrath was playing. Now, I know you'll come up with the excuses about how Tendulkar was playing on a wheel chair with 76 fractures in 2004 but the fact remains that he was cleared to play cricket and choked against McGrath (again) when the series was on the line in Nagpur.

Rahane had a consistent run till his form dropped. Couldnt even buy a run against SL .. thats why he lost his spot. Rahul played all Tests in Eng. Puara is a home track specialist.

That's not how you run a cricket team. If this was so, Kohli should have been dropped for multiple times in his career. Imagine playing every single game with the added pressure of saving your places in the team. This is what Shastri and Kohli have done to the Test team owing to which they are (rightfully) getting mauled overseas this year.

How old do you think McWarne and Kasprowicz were when they owned Dravid both home and away in 2004/2005 ... pretty much the same age as Jimmy and Broad are now. Wait let me guess you dont like your own criteria used against you ... tell me something new lol

The attack Dravid faced was still miles better. He had to face arguably the greatest spinner of all time in Warne while Kohli had to face Rashid and Moeen . Dravid had to face Jason Gillespie at his peak (someone who demolished India a few months later in India), Kohli had to face a declined Broad who can't even make the team now. Dravid had to face support bowlers like Lee and Kasprowicz, two pretty good bowlers.. Kohli had to face a 20 year old rookie and an all rounder just out of jail.

There is no comparison. Keep trying to create that false equivalence though. Dravid played the 2nd greatest innings ever by an Indian against McGrath and Warne, and he was a big part of making the greatest innings possible.

genius thats your own criteria that you used elsewhere ... now that it has backfired you are howling and screaming and looking to add filters ? Tough sh!t you cant have it both ways.

Have you forgotten the 2007 WC where his captaincy lead us to a 1st round exit )

Hilarious that you're commenting on captaincy when your two heroes (Kohli and Tendulkar) are unequivocally two of the WORST captains in Indian history. At least Dravid led India to historic series wins in Eng and WI, what the hell did your fake God do as captain?

 

[Tusker]

SRT hardly averaged 36 in Tests in which McGrath was playing. Now, I know you'll come up with the excuses about how Tendulkar was playing on a wheel chair with 76 fractures in 2004 but the fact remains that he was cleared to play cricket and choked against McGrath (again) when the series was on the line in Nagpur.

Lets settle this nonsense before we talk about the rest ...

From your past posts it was apparent that you placed more importance on away performances. Are you back tracking on that ? If so which is a better record according to you from these stats:


SRT vs McGrath IN AUS : Avg 46 1x100s 2x50s - 278 Runs
SRT vs McGrath IN IND : Avg 32 1x100s 3x50s - 384 Runs
SRT vs McGrath Overall : Avg 36 2x100s 5x50s - 662 Runs

RD vs McGrath IN AUS : Avg 14.5 0x100s 0x50s - 116 Runs
RD vs McGrath IN IND : Avg 41 1x100s 2x50s - 545 Runs
RD vs McGrath Overall : Avg 31 1x100s 2x50s - 661 Runs

Pick one and explain.

 

[Proactive_]

Lets settle this nonsense before we talk about the rest ...

From your past posts it was apparent that you placed more importance on away performances. Are you back tracking on that ? If so which is a better record according to you from these stats:


SRT vs McGrath IN AUS : Avg 46 1x100s 2x50s - 278 Runs
SRT vs McGrath IN IND : Avg 32 1x100s 3x50s - 384 Runs
SRT vs McGrath Overall : Avg 36 2x100s 5x50s - 662 Runs

RD vs McGrath IN AUS : Avg 14.5 0x100s 0x50s - 116 Runs
RD vs McGrath IN IND : Avg 41 1x100s 2x50s - 545 Runs
RD vs McGrath Overall : Avg 31 1x100s 2x50s - 661 Runs

Pick one and explain.

Let's get one thing straight, you DON'T set the terms of engagement here. You called me out trying to paint Kohli's performances last year as some sort of astounding once in a century performance and hoping to finally get one up on me and guess what happened? I smothered your argument left, right and centre then you somehow tried to compare Kohli's performances with Dravid and funnily tried to prove that Kohli's was somehow better (even though a 38 year old Dravid outperformed Kohli in England) and you can't even reply to 75% of what I posted.

Nothing surprising here though.. exactly THIS is your modus operandi. And now after deviating the topic that YOU tagged me on to something completely different, I'm pretty sure you'll be claiming some sort of victory here after you've made it abundantly clear that you have to nothing to offer to the core argument at hand . Get over it man, Kohli is OVERRATED, has been for years. No two ways about it.

 

[Tusker]

Let's get one thing straight, you DON'T set the terms of engagement here. You called me out trying to paint Kohli's performances last year as some sort of astounding once in a century performance and hoping to finally get one up on me and guess what happened? I smothered your argument left, right and centre then you somehow tried to compare Kohli's performances with Dravid and funnily tried to prove that Kohli's was somehow better (even though a 38 year old Dravid outperformed Kohli in England) and you can't even reply to 75% of what I posted.

Nothing surprising here though.. exactly THIS is your modus operandi. And now after deviating the topic that YOU tagged me on to something completely different, I'm pretty sure you'll be claiming some sort of victory here after you've made it abundantly clear that you have to nothing to offer to the core argument at hand . Get over it man, Kohli is OVERRATED, has been for years. No two ways about it.

Dont worry I have absolutely no intentions of setting the terms of engagement. I will leave that to you ( do you even know why? )

So what are the terms of engagement ? Lets hear that. Start by answering my previous post.

Right now it appears that when it comes to your fav players Home records magically become more important than away records. When it comes to those you hate a different yardstick comes into play. Not surprising.

And I didnt bring in SRT or Dravid into this discussion. It was you. As I said you have complete freedom to run your fertile imagination to your hearts content ... Iam just here to show you how stupid your criteria are by using your own bakwas criteria against you. There I have shown all my cards to you. Now will you be man enough to answer the question or run away as usual ?

 

[Proactive_]

Dont worry I have absolutely no intentions of setting the terms of engagement. I will leave that to you ( do you even know why? )

So what are the terms of engagement ? Lets hear that. Start by answering my previous post.

Right now it appears that when it comes to your fav players Home records magically become more important than away records. When it comes to those you hate a different yardstick comes into play. Not surprising.

And I didnt bring in SRT or Dravid into this discussion. It was you. As I said you have complete freedom to run your fertile imagination to your hearts content ... Iam just here to show you how stupid your criteria are by using your own bakwas criteria against you. There I have shown all my cards to you. Now will you be man enough to answer the question or run away as usual ?

And I've explained to you multiple times that your black and white logic doesn't apply here. Obviously a home series performance against Australia '17 (who had a pretty potent spin attack) matters more than an away series performance against Zimbabwe. It's the most basic shyte. It's you who is hell bent on trying to create a legacy out of Kohli's hapless home bashing of WI and SL. It's absurd and you obviously know it as well. And now that I've demolished all your arguments on your beloved Kohli's performances in the past year, you need to change tracks and start Dravid vs Sachin to save face . Nah, not taking the bait.

You want a Dravid vs Sachin discussion? Have it in a separate thread. Tell me what else you have to defend Kohli here (if you have anything that is).

 

[Tusker]

And I've explained to you multiple times that your black and white logic doesn't apply here. Obviously a home series performance against Australia '17 (who had a pretty potent spin attack) matters more than an away series performance against Zimbabwe. It's the most basic shyte.

And where have I used these examples ? Ohh wait are you saying the Eng (at home) = Zim (at home) ...

It's you who is hell bent on trying to create a legacy out of Kohli's hapless home bashing of WI and SL. It's absurd and you obviously know it as well. And now that I've demolished all your arguments on your beloved Kohli's performances in the past year, you need to change tracks and start Dravid vs Sachin to save face . Nah, not taking the bait.

The discussion here is mainly based on recent tours to Eng and SA. How did you "demolish" anything when Kohli top scored in both series ? Oh wait you tried to bring Dravids supposedly exemplary away performances , tried to take pot shots at SRT got owned in the process and are now howling ? Tell me something new.

You want a Dravid vs Sachin discussion? Have it in a separate thread. Tell me what else you have to defend Kohli here (if you have anything that is).

Then why did you bring in those playerss into the discussion ? If you cant handle your own stupid criteria coming back and biting you in the azz there is a siple thing you can do - dont start it.

As always you have now been properly nailed and tied with your own nonsense and are now looking for an escape. )

 

[Tusker]

just to add to that

And I've explained to you multiple times that your black and white logic doesn't apply here. Obviously a home series performance against Australia '17 (who had a pretty potent spin attack) matters more than an away series performance against Zimbabwe. It's the most basic shyte.

genius we are talking about same team and players and the same era ( RD/SRT vs Aus/McGrath home and away ) . Not surprising that you wont touch that with a 10 foot pole now that you know

 

[Proactive_]

And where have I used these examples ? Ohh wait are you saying the Eng (at home) = Zim (at home) ...

Well obviously, only your genius comprehension skills can come to this conclusion..

The discussion here is mainly based on recent tours to Eng and SA. How did you "demolish" anything when Kohli top scored in both series ? Oh wait you tried to bring Dravids supposedly exemplary away performances , tried to take pot shots at SRT got owned in the process and are now howling ? Tell me something new.

I just explained to you why Kohli's overseas performances aren't all that extraordinary, citing examples of another greats who performed much much better at their peaks than what Kohli has done. If Kohli is in the peak of his career now and if he's the batsman of this generation, these performances obviously are VERY underwhelming from a historical perspective. Only you can convert this into a Dravid-Sachin debate from here lol.

Then why did you bring in those playerss into the discussion ? If you cant handle your own stupid criteria coming back and biting you in the azz there is a siple thing you can do - dont start it.

To cite examples on how other greats performed at their peak on overseas tours genius.

As always you have now been properly nailed and tied with your own nonsense and are now looking for an escape. )

HAHAHA got nailed when it's YOU who has nothing left to defend Kohli with? Yeah, right.

 

[Tusker]

Well obviously, only your genius comprehension skills can come to this conclusion..

Then maybe you should explain why that analogy of Zim is applicable to anything that is being discussed between us in this thread.

I just explained to you why Kohli's overseas performances aren't all that extraordinary, citing examples of another greats who performed much much better at their peaks than what Kohli has done. If Kohli is in the peak of his career now and if he's the batsman of this generation, these performances obviously are VERY underwhelming from a historical perspective. Only you can convert this into a Dravid-Sachin debate from here lol.

Underwhelming compared to Dravids 14.5 avg and ZERO 50s in AUS ? ohh wait now suddenly injured Gillespie and Bret Lee become better than McGrath and Home records become more important than Kohli's away record.

To cite examples on how other greats performed at their peak on overseas tours genius.


HAHAHA got nailed when it's YOU who has nothing left to defend Kohli with? Yeah, right.

Good so you agree that you started it and now are running away because the outcome doesnt look promising for you. What did I tell you about owning you using your own bakwas ? You just never learn do you ? lol

 

[Proactive_]

Then maybe you should explain why that analogy of Zim is applicable to anything that is being discussed between us in this thread.

Well you need to blame yourself for that then, since you brought this Home vs Away business. I just showed you how Kohli at his peak nowhere near matches Dravid's performances overseas at his peak. It obviously hit a nerve or two owing to which you needed to switch the discussion to Sachin and what not

Underwhelming compared to Dravids 14.5 avg and ZERO 50s in AUS ? ohh wait now suddenly injured Gillespie and Bret Lee become better than McGrath and Home records become more important than Kohli's away record.

No but underwhelmed compared to Dravid averaging 100+ in England in 2002, 120+ in Australia in 03-04, averaging 77 in Pakistan 2004 leading India to historic wins in all these series while Kohli chokes in 200 run chases against sub standard bowling attacks consisting of rookies, discards and has beens

Good so you agree that you started it and now are running away because the outcome doesnt look promising for you. What did I tell you about owning you using your own bakwas ? You just never learn do you ? lol

Dude you've already given up. You gave up the moment you ignored 75% of my post (post 105) to deviate the issue to Sachin vs Dravid because you had nothing to defend Kohli. Let's not let your funny rhetoric get in way or truth here.

 

[Tusker]

Well you need to blame yourself for that then, since you brought this Home vs Away business.

Can you show me the post where I set these terms ? Remember you are the one setting the terms here ... the only thing I do is to use your own Terms and criteria against you. Works like a charm all the time. And you cant help falling into the trap EVERY single time despite knowing my strategy. Thats called proper ownage.

I just showed you how Kohli at his peak nowhere near matches Dravid's performances overseas at his peak. It obviously hit a nerve or two owing to which you needed to switch the discussion to Sachin and what not

Again did I bring in SRT or you did ? And are you the one running away from the SRT vs RD discussion or me ?

No but underwhelmed compared to Dravid averaging 100+ in England in 2002, 120+ in Australia in 03-04, averaging 77 in Pakistan 2004 leading India to historic wins in all these series while Kohli chokes in 200 run chases against sub standard bowling attacks consisting of rookies, discards and has beens

ohh wow ... did you finally admit that Kohli did better than RD ... if yes then yeh tau chamatkar ho gayi ji

And speaking of 2002 .... do you realize that its the same series where friggin Ajit Agarkar made a hundred ? Some great bowling attack lmao )

Dude you've already given up. You gave up the moment you ignored 75% of my post (post 105) to deviate the issue to Sachin vs Dravid because you had nothing to defend Kohli. Let's not let your funny rhetoric get in way or truth here.

As soon as you set the "terms of engagement" I will respond to it. But something tells me that you aint going to do that at all. Go ahead prove me wrong.

Again did I bring up RD and SRT or you did ? What I can tell you though is that you were the one to bail out of that discussion for obvious reasons.

 

[Tusker]

Let's get one thing straight, you DON'T set the terms of engagement here.

ohhh wait ... I get it what you mean by that .... you will pick and choose which series constitute benchmark for deciding Kohli is good or bad and we have to shut up and accept it ? Kohli scores a gazillion runs in a series and you will run it down using some tedious "logic" but then Iam not allowed to use the same against your fav players ?

 

[Proactive_]

Can you show me the post where I set these terms ? Remember you are the one setting the terms here ... the only thing I do is to use your own Terms and criteria against you. Works like a charm all the time. And you cant help falling into the trap EVERY single time despite knowing my strategy. Thats called proper ownage.

Yeah, proper ownage is trying to deviate the topic to Sachin vs Dravid after you've been rendered completely helpless in your defense of Kohli. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Sachin and Dravid's records against McGrath have nothing to do with Virat Kohli or his overseas record. But obviously you had to go there since you couldn't compare Kohli's record to Dravid's and then were completely pulverized by Post 105.

Again did I bring in SRT or you did ? And are you the one running away from the SRT vs RD discussion or me ?

ohh wow ... did you finally admit that Kohli did better than RD ... if yes then yeh tau chamatkar ho gayi ji

And speaking of 2002 .... do you realize that its the same series where friggin Ajit Agarkar made a hundred ? Some great bowling attack lmao )

As soon as you set the "terms of engagement" I will respond to it. But something tells me that you aint going to do that at all. Go ahead prove me wrong.

Again did I bring up RD and SRT or you did ? What I can tell you though is that you were the one to bail out of that discussion for obvious reasons.

And I hope you do realize that you tagged me in this to discuss about KOHLI's overseas performances. And I don't see a single mention of Kohli in most of your posts post #105 (understandably, so)

 

[Tusker]

Yeah, proper ownage is trying to deviate the topic to Sachin vs Dravid after you've been rendered completely helpless in your defense of Kohli. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Sachin and Dravid's records against McGrath have nothing to do with Virat Kohli or his overseas record. But obviously you had to go there since you couldn't compare Kohli's record to Dravid's and then were completely pulverized by Post 105.


And I hope you do realize that you tagged me in this to discuss about KOHLI's overseas performances. And I don't see a single mention of Kohli in most of your posts post #105 (understandably, so)

Wrong again. I tagged you to discuss his overall performance since we last were on this thread when you made that epic comment about Kohli being comparable to Azhar Ali. You were the one to drag the discussion to overseas performances and RD vs SRT hence why I asked you to set the terms of engagement and after that we will discuss all points about all players that you dragged onto this.

I hope we get these terms sometime this decade

 

[Tusker]

Yeah, proper ownage is trying to deviate the topic to Sachin vs Dravid after you've been rendered completely helpless in your defense of Kohli. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Sachin and Dravid's records against McGrath have nothing to do with Virat Kohli or his overseas record. But obviously you had to go there since you couldn't compare Kohli's record to Dravid's and then were completely pulverized by Post 105.

Just to add to my previous post ... the first mention of Dravid in this thread is by you (Post# 82) , the first mention of SRT is by you(Post# 96) , the first mention of McGrath is by you (Post# 91) . Also the first in crying and whinging about my responses to those posts dismantling your tall claims about Dravid using your own criteria of away performance is YOU . Therefore you are admitting proper ownage by your own words (See RED stuff above) and bizzarro rules. Even sweeter because I had predicted this would happen. (Post # 88)

So this is how proper ownage is dished out - getting killed by your own rules. The best thing is you know its coming but cannot help falling for it at all. But we thank you for the entertainment

 

[Proactive_]

Wrong again. I tagged you to discuss his overall performance since we last were on this thread when you made that epic comment about Kohli being comparable to Azhar Ali. You were the one to drag the discussion to overseas performances and RD vs SRT hence why I asked you to set the terms of engagement and after that we will discuss all points about all players that you dragged onto this.

I hope we get these terms sometime this decade

And doing a Dravid vs Sachin debate pertains to discussing about Kohli's performances? Talk about exposing yourself in one line. You aren't even talking about Kohli now because you have nothing to say.

Just to add to my previous post ... the first mention of Dravid in this thread is by you (Post# 82) , the first mention of SRT is by you(Post# 96) , the first mention of McGrath is by you (Post# 91) . Also the first in crying and whinging about my responses to those posts dismantling your tall claims about Dravid using your own criteria of away performance is YOU . Therefore you are admitting proper ownage by your own words (See RED stuff above) and bizzarro rules. Even sweeter because I had predicted this would happen. (Post # 88)

So this is how proper ownage is dished out - getting killed by your own rules. The best thing is you know its coming but cannot help falling for it at all. But we thank you for the entertainment

Dravid was brought up as an example in comparison to Kohli based on overseas records at their peak. Tendulkar and his record against McGrath was brought up when you started mentioning McGrath like he's just another average joe or something (to imply that the attack Kohli faced in England was somehow better than the Aus attack Dravid faced (lol again at that proposition)).

You can dine on your imaginary "ownage" while you try to run further and further away from Post #105. Don't worry some day I'll destroy your argument on Dravid Vs Sachin too in a separate thread meant for that discussion. Tell me if you have anything left to defend Kohli or should I wrap this up after another comprehensive destruction of each of your nonsensical arguments on cricketing matters?

 

[Tusker]

And doing a Dravid vs Sachin debate pertains to discussing about Kohli's performances?

You tell me genius ... because it wasn't me that fired those shots ... ohh wait you didnt expect that to boomerang and catch you in the nuts ...

Dravid was brought up as an example in comparison to Kohli based on overseas records at their peak

Again ... who brought up Dravid and Tendulkar into the middle of a Kohli discussion ? .. you or me.

 

[Tusker]

And doing a Dravid vs Sachin debate pertains to discussing about Kohli's performances? Talk about exposing yourself in one line. You aren't even talking about Kohli now because you have nothing to say.

BTW here are the other players and teams that you dragged into this discussion about Kohli other than Dravid and Tendulkar

1. Viv
2. Amarnath ( Yes him - Jimmy freakin Amarnath who last played about 30 yrs ago lol )
3. WI team winning a Test in Eng.

And then you have the temerity to lecture me because I responded to your bakwaas ? Do you even comprehend the concept of shame ?

 

[Proactive_]

BTW here are the other players and teams that you dragged into this discussion about Kohli other than Dravid and Tendulkar

1. Viv
2. Amarnath ( Yes him - Jimmy freakin Amarnath who last played about 30 yrs ago lol )
3. WI team winning a Test in Eng.

And then you have the temerity to lecture me because I responded to your bakwaas ? Do you even comprehend the concept of shame ?

And every single mention was in direct comparison to KOHLI and his performances, someone who this thread is based on. Dravid vs Sachin against Glenn McGrath is NOT what is thread is based on fgs

And since you've made it perfectly clear that you will not touch the ownage I dished to you in Post 105, it's pointless continuing this mud slinging exercise. Get some better points in the next argument pal.

 

[Tusker]

You can dine on your imaginary "ownage" while you try to run further and further away from Post #105. Don't worry some day I'll destroy your argument on Dravid Vs Sachin too in a separate thread meant for that discussion. Tell me if you have anything left to defend Kohli or should I wrap this up after another comprehensive destruction of each of your nonsensical arguments on cricketing matters?

Does it even occur to you that most of what you Posted in that Pot#105 that you keep harping about involves Dravid , Tendulkar, McGrath etc ? Something that you dont want discussed anymore in this thread because it is "deviating from the topic" lol ? The other item in there is about Team Selection and nothing to do with Kohli's batting ... this again falls under the same category of "deviating from the topic". So what is the point you have made that has supposedly "comprehensively destroyed" my posts on Kohlis overall performance ?

So make up your mind and set the "Terms of Engagement" lol... or you can continue to make a fool out of yourself by doing your usual deadbeat routine after having being thoroughly embarrassed. I dont care either way . But as I said before there is a lot of fun hammering you by using your own nonsense against you. Therefore I need you to spit out the nonsense ( a.k.a "terms of engagement").

Just don't run away with your tail between your legs as usual.

 

[Tusker]

And every single mention was in direct comparison to KOHLI and his performances, someone who this thread is based on. .

Why because you feel like it . Tough sh!t genius ... I can also similarly make unilateral claims (but I wont) . They have absolutely nothing to do with Kohli because none of those players even remotely played in the same era. If you think otherwise start lisiting the reasons and dont start howling when those same exact reasons are used against you lol

Dravid vs Sachin against Glenn McGrath is NOT what is thread is based on fgs
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So now you have changed your mind and are claiming that RD and SRT are relevant to this discussion but their records against McGrath arent ? is that what you are trying to say ?

 

[Ab Fan]

Hard to understand what kind of non-sense is going on in this thread. Some really pointless arguments and typical replies to them.

 

[Hasan123]

And every single mention was in direct comparison to KOHLI and his performances, someone who this thread is based on. Dravid vs Sachin against Glenn McGrath is NOT what is thread is based on fgs

And since you've made it perfectly clear that you will not touch the ownage I dished to you in Post 105, it's pointless continuing this mud slinging exercise. Get some better points in the next argument pal.

I don't understand you. If you don't rate Kohli as a batsmen who do you rate? Why do you hate your own team so much ? Never seen anything so embarrassing from a supporter of a sports team in my many years of watching sports.

 

[Tusker]

Hard to understand what kind of non-sense is going on in this thread. Some really pointless arguments and typical replies to them.

I will give you a very high level summary ... last year Proactive claimed Kohli = Azhar Ali . I said time will tell. A year later Kohli avg 76 at a S/R of 65. Now Proactive is trying his best to run that down using his usual verbal gymnastics because in his mind it is a useless record as it does not come against great bowlers
lol. Along the way he tried to use Dravids record as an example which backfired horribly because he has a very ordinary record against McGrath in AUS. He also tried to ridicule Tendulkars record and got owned because Dravid does not even have a 50 in AUS vs McGrath. Yes you cant make this up ... only Proactive is capable of such legendary bakwas.

 

[Tusker]

I don't understand you. If you don't rate Kohli as a batsmen who do you rate? Why do you hate your own team so much ? Never seen anything so embarrassing from a supporter of a sports team in my many years of watching sports.

actually it gets even better ... last year he rated Kohli on Par with Azhar Ali and Matthews.

Root and Williamson are far more reliable Test batsmen than Kohli, it's not even close. Kohli is more on the level of the likes of Azhar Ali and Angelo Mathews as a Test batsman.

 

[Proactive_]

I don't understand you. If you don't rate Kohli as a batsmen who do you rate? Why do you hate your own team so much ? Never seen anything so embarrassing from a supporter of a sports team in my many years of watching sports.

I don't hate Indian cricket. Not in the least. But unlike the blind fans, I'm not averse to realizing what's good and what's bad for Indian cricket either. And what's horribly bad for Indian cricket is Virat Kohli as the captain and Ravi Shastri as the coach, and the results in the past year prove that wherein India, even with a good fast bowling attack for the first time in it's history have been mauled in two away tours by two below par teams who had been struggling with team balance, injuries, retirements and all sorts of issues themselves while team India was "rated" the No.1 team in the world by quite some margin. That's embarrassing and it's ALL on these two clowns named Kohli and Shastri. These two are wasting India's golden generation by their petty politics and favoritism. But that's for a separate thread.

In this regard, as a fan who refuses to have his intelligence insulted every tour, I had to take a stand by refusing to support India until this good for nothing captain is sacked from his position and an even more worthless coach is kicked out and never let being anywhere close to the team. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed Asia Cup immensely not having to see that egomaniac goof as the captain. It further proved how much of a joke Kohli's captaincy is seeing a team which mauled India in the CT Final by 150 runs get demolished not once but twice in a span of a week, further reiterating how much of a clueless captain Kohli is.

 

[Proactive_]

Hard to understand what kind of non-sense is going on in this thread. Some really pointless arguments and typical replies to them.

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] is trying to explain me how Sachin vs Dravid and their stats against McGrath is an argument pertaining to Kohli's performances in the past year. (Oh and yes, he's still running away from Post 105 like from a Ghost in a cemetery btw )

 

[Tusker]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] is trying to explain me how Sachin vs Dravid and their stats against McGrath is an argument pertaining to Kohli's performances in the past year.

No Iam not. That was your own brilliant idea to drag RD and SRT into the discussion. But I guess you expected me to just shut up and accept your word ? )

(Oh and yes, he's still running away from Post 105 like from a Ghost in a cemetery btw )

see Post#124

 

[Tusker]

I don't hate Indian cricket. Not in the least. But unlike the blind fans, I'm not averse to realizing what's good and what's bad for Indian cricket either. And what's horribly bad for Indian cricket is Virat Kohli as the captain and Ravi Shastri as the coach, and the results in the past year prove that wherein India, even with a good fast bowling attack for the first time in it's history have been mauled in two away tours by two below par teams who had been struggling with team balance, injuries, retirements and all sorts of issues themselves while team India was "rated" the No.1 team in the world by quite some margin. That's embarrassing and it's ALL on these two clowns named Kohli and Shastri. These two are wasting India's golden generation by their petty politics and favoritism. But that's for a separate thread.

In this regard, as a fan who refuses to have his intelligence insulted every tour, I had to take a stand by refusing to support India until this good for nothing captain is sacked from his position and an even more worthless coach is kicked out and never let being anywhere close to the team. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed Asia Cup immensely not having to see that egomaniac goof as the captain. It further proved how much of a joke Kohli's captaincy is seeing a team which mauled India in the CT Final by 150 runs get demolished not once but twice in a span of a week, further reiterating how much of a clueless captain Kohli is.

And this rant has what to do with Kohli's batting ? (which is what [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] asked ) )

 

[Hasan123]

I don't hate Indian cricket. Not in the least. But unlike the blind fans, I'm not averse to realizing what's good and what's bad for Indian cricket either. And what's horribly bad for Indian cricket is Virat Kohli as the captain and Ravi Shastri as the coach, and the results in the past year prove that wherein India, even with a good fast bowling attack for the first time in it's history have been mauled in two away tours by two below par teams who had been struggling with team balance, injuries, retirements and all sorts of issues themselves while team India was "rated" the No.1 team in the world by quite some margin. That's embarrassing and it's ALL on these two clowns named Kohli and Shastri. These two are wasting India's golden generation by their petty politics and favoritism. But that's for a separate thread.

In this regard, as a fan who refuses to have his intelligence insulted every tour, I had to take a stand by refusing to support India until this good for nothing captain is sacked from his position and an even more worthless coach is kicked out and never let being anywhere close to the team. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed Asia Cup immensely not having to see that egomaniac goof as the captain. It further proved how much of a joke Kohli's captaincy is seeing a team which mauled India in the CT Final by 150 runs get demolished not once but twice in a span of a week, further reiterating how much of a clueless captain Kohli is.

I don't like Sarfraz as a captain but I won't stop supporting the team because of him. And also a change in captaincy will not gaurntuee that India will win away from home. Shastri is useless, I won't deny that .

 

[Tusker]

I don't like Sarfraz as a captain but I won't stop supporting the team because of him. And also a change in captaincy will not gaurntuee that India will win away from home. Shastri is useless, I won't deny that .

Most importantly it has nothing to do with Kohli's batting. If anything these supposed captaincy and selection blunders that Proactive claims hurt the team bigtime will add more pressure on Kohli the batsman.

 

[Hasan123]

Most importantly it has nothing to do with Kohli's batting. If anything these supposed captaincy and selection blunders that Proactive claims hurt the team bigtime will add more pressure on Kohli the batsman.

Rahane and Pujara have issues with the pressure of batting . How will they lead the team?

Kohli has to remain captain for now. Selection should be taken out of his hands though. Also hiring a tactical coach will help him a lot.

 

[Tusker]

Rahane and Pujara have issues with the pressure of batting . How will they lead the team? .

Exactly. This is where proactive will use Asia Cup and one or two matches where he was injured at home as "evidence"

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Kohli has to remain captain for now. Selection should be taken out of his hands though. Also hiring a tactical coach will help him a lot.

Selection is never totally in the hands of the Indian captain as far as I know.

 

[Ab Fan]

I will give you a very high level summary ... last year Proactive claimed Kohli = Azhar Ali . I said time will tell. A year later Kohli avg 76 at a S/R of 65. Now Proactive is trying his best to run that down using his usual verbal gymnastics because in his mind it is a useless record as it does not come against great bowlers
lol. Along the way he tried to use Dravids record as an example which backfired horribly because he has a very ordinary record against McGrath in AUS. He also tried to ridicule Tendulkars record and got owned because Dravid does not even have a 50 in AUS vs McGrath. Yes you cant make this up ... only Proactive is capable of such legendary bakwas.

Kohli can only perform what he is up against. He has fared brilliantly vs Steyn/Philander/Morkel in 2014 tour of SA and Rabada/Philander/Morkel in some really tough batting conditions of 2018. Rabada, Steyn and Philander are ATGs in SA.

Now coming to Kohli's overseas performance, I don't recall a single series he has failed outside Asia except one in 2014 tour to England which was his first tour. He has been leading run scorer in tours of England and South Africa and a leading run scorer for India in the tour to Australia. His performance in his first tour to NZ was brilliant as well. So, he has done enough to be rated ahead of any test batsmen in the world today except maybe Steven Smith.

Dravid was a brilliant test batsmen but not all that great against ATG fast bowlers from Australia and South Africa. He did well vs Ambrose and Walsh though and was superb in England all his career.

 

[Hasan123]

Exactly. This is where proactive will use Asia Cup and one or two matches where he was injured at home as "evidence"

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Selection is never totally in the hands of the Indian captain as far as I know.

Leading the team on a part time basis doesn't have as much pressure as being a full time captain.

 

[Tusker]

Kohli can only perform what he is up against. He has fared brilliantly vs Steyn/Philander/Morkel in 2014 tour of SA and Rabada/Philander/Morkel in some really tough batting conditions of 2018. Rabada, Steyn and Philander are ATGs in SA.

Now coming to Kohli's overseas performance, I don't recall a single series he has failed outside Asia except one in 2014 tour to England which was his first tour. He has been leading run scorer in tours of England and South Africa and a leading run scorer for India in the tour to Australia. His performance in his first tour to NZ was brilliant as well. So, he has done enough to be rated ahead of any test batsmen in the world today except maybe Steven Smith.

Believe it or not he doesn't rate these performances by kohli but rates Dravids 2003 performance vs aus minus mcWarne and his 2002 series vs Eng.

According to him it has taken about 10yrs for Kohli to figure out how to play balls outside offstump.

If you need a good laugh Have a read of his posts from about post#90 to post#110

 

[Tusker]

Leading the team on a part time basis doesn't have as much pressure as being a full time captain.

Not in the bizarro universe where Proactive resides.

I will give you a example... Last year he was questioning whether Kohli should be in the test team after Rahane captained in his absence and won the last test vs Aus in Dharmsala. I kid you not.

As I said to Ab Fan ... if you need a good laugh follow this guy. Guaranteed free entertainment.

 

[Proactive_]

Not in the bizarro universe where Proactive resides.

I will give you a example... Last year he was questioning whether Kohli should be in the test team after Rahane captained in his absence and won the last test vs Aus in Dharmsala. I kid you not.

As I said to Ab Fan ... if you need a good laugh follow this guy. Guaranteed free entertainment.

LOL so now you'll resort to blatant lies? Man, this is really getting desperate now. I never questioned Kohli's place in the team, I questioning this idea that "India can't win without Kohli" which they easily did in Dharamsala. Also, I questioned Kohli's place as the captain which I still do. And no matter what you say here, you are your little defense of Kohli are toast since #105, a post you STILL haven't replied to.. and no that peek-a-boo at Post 124 doesn't count pal, only you would label that a counter post lol.

 

[Tusker]

LOL so now you'll resort to blatant lies? Man, this is really getting desperate now. I never questioned Kohli's place in the team, I questioning this idea that "India can't win without Kohli" which they easily did in Dharamsala. Also, I questioned Kohli's place as the captain which I still do. And no matter what you say here, you are your little defense of Kohli are toast since #105, a post you STILL haven't replied to.. and no that peek-a-boo at Post 124 doesn't count pal, only you would label that a counter post lol.

Dude just right here in this thread you said you were happy to see India play without Kohli in Asia cup have some shame

But let's look at the post105 that you keep harping about

And what about the fact that Dravid had to face guys like Warne, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc ALONG with McGrath in the same attack. What are the incredible bowlers Kohli faced this tour along with Anderson, a Stuart Broad who can't even make the team now? Or the two spinners who aren't even regulars and one of them had even quit red ball cricket?

Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

Yeah, right. Atleast Dravid had an outstanding series in 2003-04 against the likes of Gillespie, Lee, McGill, Bichel.. an attack still MILES better than what Kohli had to face in England.

Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

SRT hardly averaged 36 in Tests in which McGrath was playing. Now, I know you'll come up with the excuses about how Tendulkar was playing on a wheel chair with 76 fractures in 2004 but the fact remains that he was cleared to play cricket and choked against McGrath (again) when the series was on the line in Nagpur.

Do you want to talk about RD and SRT or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

That's not how you run a cricket team. If this was so, Kohli should have been dropped for multiple times in his career. Imagine playing every single game with the added pressure of saving your places in the team. This is what Shastri and Kohli have done to the Test team owing to which they are (rightfully) getting mauled overseas this year.

Do you now want to talk about anything other than Kohlis batting ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

The attack Dravid faced was still miles better. He had to face arguably the greatest spinner of all time in Warne while Kohli had to face Rashid and Moeen . Dravid had to face Jason Gillespie at his peak (someone who demolished India a few months later in India), Kohli had to face a declined Broad who can't even make the team now. Dravid had to face support bowlers like Lee and Kasprowicz, two pretty good bowlers.. Kohli had to face a 20 year old rookie and an all rounder just out of jail.


There is no comparison. Keep trying to create that false equivalence though. Dravid played the 2nd greatest innings ever by an Indian against McGrath and Warne, and he was a big part of making the greatest innings possible.

Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

Hilarious that you're commenting on captaincy when your two heroes (Kohli and Tendulkar) are unequivocally two of the WORST captains in Indian history. At least Dravid led India to historic series wins in Eng and WI, what the hell did your fake God do as captain?

Do you now want to talk about anything other than Kohlis batting ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.


So there . Now what's your next deadbeat drivel going to be in order to save face?

 

[Proactive_]

Dude just right here in this thread you said you were happy to see India play without Kohli in Asia cup have some shame

Tell me where I said that Kohli doesn't "merit" his place in the team as a player? Put up or shut up time buddy.

Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.

Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.



Do you want to talk about RD and SRT or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.
Do you now want to talk about anything other than Kohlis batting ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.
Do you want to talk about RD or not ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.
Do you now want to talk about anything other than Kohlis batting ? I thought you didn't. Decide and let us know.
So there . Now what's your next deadbeat drivel going to be in order to save face?

^

The desperation is real here.

 

[Ab Fan]

See, Dravid performance in England outperforms Kohli's performance in England without any shadow of doubt but Kohli's performance in SA was also well ahead of RD's performance in SA.

And then when we look at Kohli's performance in Australia, there it makes a difference to Dravid overall performance in Australia. Remember, Dravid played McGrath and Warne in Australia only in 1999.He didn't do much in 2007 or 2011 tour to Australia either and he didn't do well at home against Aus/SA either.

Both are brilliant in New Zealand. To Dravid's credit, he did brilliantly in some tough batting conditions of NZ and WI. But, Kohli has done great as well.

 

[Tusker]

The desperation is real here.

Here is the true deadbeat desperation borne out of the burninng desire to save face ... you dont want to Talk about Dravid but you will keep harping about Post#105

You want a Dravid vs Sachin discussion? Have it in a separate thread. Tell me what else you have to defend Kohli here (if you have anything that is).

And doing a Dravid vs Sachin debate pertains to discussing about Kohli's performances? Talk about exposing yourself in one line. You aren't even talking about Kohli now because you have nothing to say.

Cant handle the heat ? Well dont start it ... but now that it has truly backfired your one and only option is to
keep playing the deadbeat tune and run away. If you ever wanted to know what weasling is then this is it

 

[Tusker]

LOL so now you'll resort to blatant lies? Man, this is really getting desperate now. I never questioned Kohli's place in the team, I questioning this idea that "India can't win without Kohli" which they easily did in Dharamsala. .

here you go :

But the Dharamsala Test more than showed that India can do pretty well without Kohli as well in the batting and especially the captaincy department

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-rankings!-August-2016&p=9651608#post9651608

 

[jnaveen1980]

And what about the fact that Dravid had to face guys like Warne, Gillespie, Lee, McGill etc ALONG with McGrath in the same attack. What are the incredible bowlers Kohli faced this tour along with Anderson, a Stuart Broad who can't even make the team now? Or the two spinners who aren't even regulars and one of them had even quit red ball cricket?

Against Mendis entire Indian team struggled apart from Sehwag and to some extent Gambhir. Kohli in his very first outing against him he treated him like a dirtbag. Besides when did Dravid become a great player against spin? lol Only guy who struggled against warne in Australia during the famous 1999 series it was Dravid. Those were highly seamer friendly condition.

 

[Hitman]

One more century for King Kohli, and this one comes against one of the best attacks in the world on a green top.

Really feel for his haters. They are running out of new custom made criterias

 

[light]

^ regardless of the haters, this lad will end up in the history book and will be remembered longer than the other fab 3 for sure.

 

[Hitman]

^ regardless of the haters, this lad will end up in the history book and will be remembered longer than the other fab 3 for sure.

He already is in a league ahead of the other 3, all formats combined.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

One more century for King Kohli, and this one comes against one of the best attacks in the world on a green top.

Really feel for his haters. They are running out of new custom made criterias

These runs will be labelled as soft runs by the so called experts who believe pujara is better than kohli coz we are going to lose this match.

 

[light]

He already is in a league ahead of the other 3, all formats combined.

I know that, you know that, history books knows that aswell.