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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: John McDonnell: Jeremy Corbyn will tell the Queen Labour is taking over if Boris Johnson loses confidence vote<a href="https://t.co/eoitbacRrc">https://t.co/eoitbacRrc</a></p>— PoliticsHome (@politicshome) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1159343483066281985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our shadow chancellor, John Mcdonnell has a message for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson about a general election. <br><br>Bring it on ✊<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ridge?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ridge</a> <a href="https://t.co/zaBql2meBR">pic.twitter.com/zaBql2meBR</a></p>— Corbyn for PM (@CorbynASAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/CorbynASAP/status/1168088858594041857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our shadow chancellor, John Mcdonnell has a message for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson about a general election. <br><br>Bring it on ✊<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ridge?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ridge</a> <a href="https://t.co/zaBql2meBR">pic.twitter.com/zaBql2meBR</a></p>— Corbyn for PM (@CorbynASAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/CorbynASAP/status/1168088858594041857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ah, but at the time in 2017 LDs were polling on 8%. Now on 20%, they are taking chunks out of the Labour Remainer vote. Tories reckon they can win a GE. They will lose thirty seats to the LDs but think they will gain more from Labour elsewhere, and Labour will lose more seats to the Scot Nats.

Two years of dithering on Brexit has cost Labour dear.
 
Ah, but at the time in 2017 LDs were polling on 8%. Now on 20%, they are taking chunks out of the Labour Remainer vote. Tories reckon they can win a GE. They will lose thirty seats to the LDs but think they will gain more from Labour elsewhere, and Labour will lose more seats to the Scot Nats.

Two years of dithering on Brexit has cost Labour dear.

As I live in the US, I can't say I am too familiar with British politics. However, it appears to me that the Remainers are globalists. The professionals and the elite (those who have done well from globalization) were Remainers and the working class wanted to leave.

Still a bit odd to me that the Labour Party, which is supposed to represent the working class has after much dithering decided on Remain (or have they really?).
 
As I live in the US, I can't say I am too familiar with British politics. However, it appears to me that the Remainers are globalists. The professionals and the elite (those who have done well from globalization) were Remainers and the working class wanted to leave.

Still a bit odd to me that the Labour Party, which is supposed to represent the working class has after much dithering decided on Remain (or have they really?).

Watch the workers get hurt the worst by Brexit as the factories close and services erode.

Globalisation has also helped the working class through cheap goods and food.

The problem affecting the working class is not globalisation but chronic lack of investment in services, education and skills for many decades. We just don’t pay enough tax, so free tertiary education went and now only middle class youngsters can get up the social ladder of a university education. 60% of working class people were in unions who could force bad employers to offer decent pay and conditions but now only 15% are and guess what - the bad employers are back. So now pay is low and there is little job security.

Corporation tax was 50%, now it’s 20% and now we cannot afford a strong NHS. We don’t train enough of our own clinicians so we have to import them rather than employ Britons.

So don’t blame “the globalists” alone - also blame the workers who took their eyes off the ball, seduced by cheap goods and services and who allowed themselves to become so atomised from each other that they have allowed the neoliberals in Government to sell off the common resources.
 
Watch the workers get hurt the worst by Brexit as the factories close and services erode.

Globalisation has also helped the working class through cheap goods and food.

The problem affecting the working class is not globalisation but chronic lack of investment in services, education and skills for many decades. We just don’t pay enough tax, so free tertiary education went and now only middle class youngsters can get up the social ladder of a university education. 60% of working class people were in unions who could force bad employers to offer decent pay and conditions but now only 15% are and guess what - the bad employers are back. So now pay is low and there is little job security.

Corporation tax was 50%, now it’s 20% and now we cannot afford a strong NHS. We don’t train enough of our own clinicians so we have to import them rather than employ Britons.

So don’t blame “the globalists” alone - also blame the workers who took their eyes off the ball, seduced by cheap goods and services and who allowed themselves to become so atomised from each other that they have allowed the neoliberals in Government to sell off the common resources.

The entire country (like other Western countries) was sold the idea that free trade improves the lives of everybody.

It does not.

As manufacturing moved to China, the workers saw their incomes and wealth decline. However the managers did gain, and they supported globalization.

Free trade amongst countries also sets a limit on taxes, as managers and firms will relocate to lower tax countries.

Cheap goods at the supermarket is of little value if you have lost your manufacturing job and are now scraping by working half-time in a minimum wage job.
 
The entire country (like other Western countries) was sold the idea that free trade improves the lives of everybody.

It does not.

As manufacturing moved to China, the workers saw their incomes and wealth decline. However the managers did gain, and they supported globalization.

Free trade amongst countries also sets a limit on taxes, as managers and firms will relocate to lower tax countries.

Cheap goods at the supermarket is of little value if you have lost your manufacturing job and are now scraping by working half-time in a minimum wage job.

Brexit will shut more of those manufacturing plants down.

But we could still have a higher taxation economy where there is free tertiary education producing higher skill levels and a larger number of public sector jobs. We haven’t had to import clinicians because of China, but because we don’t train enough Britons.
 
This is a WSJ editorial that's not so subtly underlines the power disparity there is in any UK-US trade negotiation.

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"After Brexit we'll stand on our own two feet !"
 
Is Blair right?

Corbyn would look extremely weak if he blocked an election given he’s been talking about one for months now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"The Brexiteers are laying a trap, to seem as if pushed into an election whilst actively preparing for one"<br><br>Tony Blair warns Jeremy Corbyn not to back a general election called by Boris Johnson, and push for a referendum on Brexit instead<br><br>[tap to expand] <a href="https://t.co/5R9JyKl93D">https://t.co/5R9JyKl93D</a> <a href="https://t.co/5uSCzJZbou">pic.twitter.com/5uSCzJZbou</a></p>— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1168493319250427904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Yes, Blair is right. It’s a trap! Johnson will get a working majority and No Deal will follow.
 
Yes, Blair is right. It’s a trap! Johnson will get a working majority and No Deal will follow.

Dont take this war criminal seriously. Blair thought it was right Saddam could attack the UK in 45 mins.

Blair just doesn't want Corbyn to PM because Corbyn did not bow down and bend over to Zionism as Blair did.
 
Dont take this war criminal seriously. Blair thought it was right Saddam could attack the UK in 45 mins.

Blair just doesn't want Corbyn to PM because Corbyn did not bow down and bend over to Zionism as Blair did.

of course he did, Corbyn capitulated and accepted the full IHRA definition of antisemitism as well as presiding over the expulsion of BAME members who were falsely accused of AS as well as Jewish abti-zionists. He supports a 2 state solution and Israel as a ethnonationalist homeland so by definition he is a Zionist.
 
of course he did, Corbyn capitulated and accepted the full IHRA definition of antisemitism as well as presiding over the expulsion of BAME members who were falsely accused of AS as well as Jewish abti-zionists. He supports a 2 state solution and Israel as a ethnonationalist homeland so by definition he is a Zionist.

It was a tactical choice, the only thing they can criticise Corbyn for is this anti-semitisim nonsense, so he thought lets try to nip this in the bud.

People who want 2 state solution are not Zionists. Zionists are those who believe God gave Jews the holy land including Gaza, West bank and more importantly the real Zionists in power are those who will do whatever it takes to protect Israel and help it expand it's non-existant borders.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 35% (+5)<br>LAB: 24% (-1)<br>LDEM: 18% (-)<br>BREX: 14% (-)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DeltapollUK</a>, 29 - 31 Aug<br>Chgs. w/ 27 Jul</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1167928278402748417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 31% (+3)<br>LAB; 24% (-)<br>LDEM: 21% (-)<br>BREX: 14% (-1)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/Survation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Survation</a>, 29 - 30 Aug<br>Chgs. w/ 11 Aug</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1167555445818580992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
of course he did, Corbyn capitulated and accepted the full IHRA definition of antisemitism as well as presiding over the expulsion of BAME members who were falsely accused of AS as well as Jewish abti-zionists. He supports a 2 state solution and Israel as a ethnonationalist homeland so by definition he is a Zionist.

That’s an interesting definition of Zionism.

Is everyone who supports a two-state solution a Zionist? If so, I have been a Zionist for most of my life without realising it.

Are you then a Zionist? - if not what would your solution be?
 
Justine Greening - Tory MP for Putney - is standing down at the next GE.

I had hoped she would cross the floor and become a Liberal, eradicating the Tory majority.
 
It was a tactical choice, the only thing they can criticise Corbyn for is this anti-semitisim nonsense, so he thought lets try to nip this in the bud.

People who want 2 state solution are not Zionists. Zionists are those who believe God gave Jews the holy land including Gaza, West bank and more importantly the real Zionists in power are those who will do whatever it takes to protect Israel and help it expand it's non-existant borders.

He should have nipped it in the bud years ago. Instead he did nothing and let it fester.

Anyone who is not a cultist would criticise him for being behind in the polls against this hopeless and dreadful government. If Starmer or Lammy or Benn were in charge, Labour would have a fifteen point lead.
 
Dr Lee crosses the floor during Johnson’s speech.
 
After demanding an election for months it looks like Labour may now vote against having an election when the house votes this evening.
 
Corbyn having gone on and on for years about wanting a General Election has now changed his mind.
 
No he hasn't, he still wants a general election but first legislation needs to be confirmed for a no deal not being an option.

Yes, I agree with Corbyn on this point.

I still think Johnson will get a majority at the next GE but withdrawing the whip from 21 MPs is a really clumsy move in that respect. Will they stand as independents or join other parties, or form another splinter group?
 
That’s an interesting definition of Zionism.

Is everyone who supports a two-state solution a Zionist? If so, I have been a Zionist for most of my life without realising it.

Are you then a Zionist? - if not what would your solution be?

Zionism is a political ideology that sought to establish a Jewish homeland/state in historic Palestine; this was fulfilled in 1948 and was predicated on settler-colonialism and the expulsion/ethnic cleansing of the Arab majority.

Now if you support a two state solution with Israel as the Jewish state with pre-1967 borders (88% of mandated Palestine) then I don't see how you can not be a Zionist.

No I am not a Zionist, quite the opposite. Obviously it's not up to me and I'm neither Jewish or Palestinian but I favour one state that is a secular, democratic, state with equal rights for all who live between the Jordan Sea and the Mediterranean. You may call it utopian but this was the preferred solution of the PLO right up to the 1980s until they were compelled to accept the 2SS by the international community.

The 2SS is dead and is a charade that is kept up to justify Israel's continuing colonisation and annexation of the West Bank and occupation of people who have been denied their political and civic rights for over 50 years.
 
Why is Israel the major talking point in a discussion about a future British govern6? Stop being side tracked about this anti semitic non sense.

A labour government made up of Corbyn, Watson, McDonald, and socially conscious members of the opposition is the best way forward. It has the best socio and economic policies for Britain's poorest (majority) people.
 
Zionism is a political ideology that sought to establish a Jewish homeland/state in historic Palestine; this was fulfilled in 1948 and was predicated on settler-colonialism and the expulsion/ethnic cleansing of the Arab majority.

Now if you support a two state solution with Israel as the Jewish state with pre-1967 borders (88% of mandated Palestine) then I don't see how you can not be a Zionist.

No I am not a Zionist, quite the opposite. Obviously it's not up to me and I'm neither Jewish or Palestinian but I favour one state that is a secular, democratic, state with equal rights for all who live between the Jordan Sea and the Mediterranean. You may call it utopian but this was the preferred solution of the PLO right up to the 1980s until they were compelled to accept the 2SS by the international community.

The 2SS is dead and is a charade that is kept up to justify Israel's continuing colonisation and annexation of the West Bank and occupation of people who have been denied their political and civic rights for over 50 years.

Its simple, then you support a homeland for the Palestinians and sharing Jerusulam, this is not the Zionist ideology. Zionsim is the establishment of a Jewish state in the holy land and the protection of the Jewish state. Israel has previously stated it will not allow a Palestinian army if a Palestianian state is formed.
 
Up against a complete buffoon like Boris and Corbyn still can’t make any headway.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intentions:<br><br>CON: 33% (+8)<br>LAB: 25% (+1)<br>LDEM: 19% (+1)<br>BREX: 13% (-6)<br>GRN: 4% (-2)<br><br>Src: Britain Elects poll tracker<br><br>Chgs. since Boris Johnson became Prime Minister.<a href="https://t.co/spVpGNV8oG">https://t.co/spVpGNV8oG</a> <a href="https://t.co/yeR0zQZWtO">pic.twitter.com/yeR0zQZWtO</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1174347075183685632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Public satisfaction with Jeremy Corbyn:<br><br>Satisfied: 16%<br>Dissatisfied: 76%<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IpsosMORI</a>, 13 - 16 Sep <a href="https://t.co/iuLE5CU5FX">pic.twitter.com/iuLE5CU5FX</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1175022508073992195?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 33% (-1)<br>LAB: 24% (-)<br>LDEM: 23% (+3)<br>BREX: 10% (+1)<br>GRN: 4% (-2)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/IpsosMORI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IpsosMORI</a> <br>Chgs. w/ July</p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1174631132454895616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>CON: 32% (-)<br>LDEM: 23% (+4)<br>LAB: 21% (-2)<br>BREX: 14% (-)<br>GRN: 4% (-3)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouGov</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1174460457081548802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">September's voting intentions: Tory leads ranging from 14pts to 1pt.<a href="https://t.co/spVpGNV8oG">https://t.co/spVpGNV8oG</a> <a href="https://t.co/CGbsC3wyeT">pic.twitter.com/CGbsC3wyeT</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1174352631231332352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Its not Corbyns fault. The electroate in the UK is very foolish with little or no understadning of politics. The idiots who voted for Brexit because of bus adverts will be the idiots who vote for Tories again because they just dont like JC.

Democracy in the UK has become a joke, might as well bring back the monarchy with full power.
 
If 76% are unsatisfied thats a huge margin even assuming a biased poll.

Time for Liberals to maybe invest in a centrist leader?
 
Its not Corbyns fault. The electroate in the UK is very foolish with little or no understadning of politics. The idiots who voted for Brexit because of bus adverts will be the idiots who vote for Tories again because they just dont like JC.

Democracy in the UK has become a joke, might as well bring back the monarchy with full power.

Mostly mortons who voted Brexit, racists, facists and also greedy coconuts who suck up to goreh, mostly Indians but you find folk like Sajid to. The polls are a reflection of the decline in British civilisation :mv

And I say that as someone who isn't entirely inspired by Labour these days either but that's just facts, these Tories are absolute vile filth, I wouldn't mind if they got the Gestapo treatment tbh that would be lovely :yk
 
Why is Israel the major talking point in a discussion about a future British govern6? Stop being side tracked about this anti semitic non sense.

A labour government made up of Corbyn, Watson, McDonald, and socially conscious members of the opposition is the best way forward. It has the best socio and economic policies for Britain's poorest (majority) people.

The same folk wont raise our dealings with the saudis, regardless though personal views are hardly the concern in this moment in time. Many are compelled to vote for JC also for this reason when on the fence as the personal attacks as we have seen backfired
 
Its not Corbyns fault. The electroate in the UK is very foolish with little or no understadning of politics. The idiots who voted for Brexit because of bus adverts will be the idiots who vote for Tories again because they just dont like JC.

Democracy in the UK has become a joke, might as well bring back the monarchy with full power.

So people vote for those things because they are stupid? That sounds pretty arrogant.

Would you give people credit for having some understanding who don’t think Corbyn is PM material? Get a moderate leader and Labour will storm ahead in the polls.
 
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A labour government made up of Corbyn, Watson, McDonald, and socially conscious members of the opposition is the best way forward. It has the best socio and economic policies for Britain's poorest (majority) people.


Actually it doesn’t - the LD one does according to the IFS. Labour will clobber the rich without helping the poor much.
 
Actually it doesn’t - the LD one does according to the IFS. Labour will clobber the rich without helping the poor much.

Only a clown could vote for Labour - the current conference is comedy - a bitterly divided divided party with a farcical set of policies to move the country forward.

The irony is their policies will not only clobber the rich but also those with modest incomes - and I dread a return to the days where union barons held sway. Most of those advocating a labour government on this forum are either students, adults dependent on benefits or sadly deluded.

Socialism is a race to the bottom, it never works.
 
Politics of envy.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Labour conference just voted to abolish all private schools ✊Incredible campaign by grassroots Labour members <a href="https://twitter.com/AbolishEton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AbolishEton</a></p>— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1175809450550149120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAK: It is now Labour Party policy to effectively ban private schools. They will have to be integrated into the state system and forced to sell off land and assets if there’s a Labour govt. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lab19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lab19</a></p>— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) <a href="https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1175806079059603456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
What a shambles. I question whether Labour is at all serious in being a government.

Also love how most of the labour front bench are either ex privately educated or their own children currently go to private school.

What tragic times we find ourselves in wrt the state of British politics.
 
Mostly mortons who voted Brexit, racists, facists and also greedy coconuts who suck up to goreh, mostly Indians but you find folk like Sajid to. The polls are a reflection of the decline in British civilisation :mv

And I say that as someone who isn't entirely inspired by Labour these days either but that's just facts, these Tories are absolute vile filth, I wouldn't mind if they got the Gestapo treatment tbh that would be lovely :yk

Spot on bro. Here is a perfect example of some of the ******* who voted for Brexit. Such an important decision should never be put in the hands of numpties.


So people vote for those things because they are stupid? That sounds pretty arrogant.

Would you give people credit for having some understanding who don’t think Corbyn is PM material? Get a moderate leader and Labour will storm ahead in the polls.

Moderate? What is so extreme about JC?

Yes they are stupid , this isnt arrogance but the harsh reality of dumbed down population we have now. Be real, most idiots who voted for Brexit were racists worried about immigration or foriegners in Europe taking advantage of the UK. Half of these clowns are not well off and have voted for being even poorer.
 
Problem with Corbyn's high-wire act is that those Leave voters he's trying to appease who are sufficiently fixated by the issue aren't likely to vote Labour anyway. And Brexit for most Labour Leavers, unlike Tory Leavers, is not a top priority.

Meanwhile, he's halfheartedly tried to court Remainers and has ****** them off too, with a portion of his 2017 vote bank going to the Lib Dems.

So what I'm trying to say is by equivocating, you're losing more votes you ALREADY have than the votes you THINK you'll lose by moving towards a pro-Remain position.

If you lose some Brexit voters in marginals, yes you'll struggle to win a majority. But if you lose parts of your base, who are overwhelmingly pro-Remain, you'll struggle to even be competitive !
 
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Only a clown could vote for Labour - the current conference is comedy - a bitterly divided divided party with a farcical set of policies to move the country forward.

The irony is their policies will not only clobber the rich but also those with modest incomes - and I dread a return to the days where union barons held sway. Most of those advocating a labour government on this forum are either students, adults dependent on benefits or sadly deluded.

Socialism is a race to the bottom, it never works.
Meanwhile we have a literal clown in No.10 trashing democratic norms, being dragged through the courts to reopen Parliament having lied about his reason for shutting it down, and wishing to impose a no-deal Brexit so he and his disaster capitalist mates (Rees-Mogg, Fox etc) can turn us into a Singapore-on-Thames tax haven and sell us out to Trump in our next trade deal after casting our current biggest trading partners in Europe aside.

I don't see any flaw in that plan either.
 
Meanwhile we have a literal clown in No.10 trashing democratic norms, being dragged through the courts to reopen Parliament having lied about his reason for shutting it down, and wishing to impose a no-deal Brexit so he and his disaster capitalist mates (Rees-Mogg, Fox etc) can turn us into a Singapore-on-Thames tax haven and sell us out to Trump in our next trade deal after casting our current biggest trading partners in Europe aside.

I don't see any flaw in that plan either.

Oh I wholeheartedly agree - I find the incumbent government abhorrent- JRM slouching in parliament was the depiction of a government so out of touch it’s laughable were it not tragic.

BREXIT as a concept is a regressive move - but what strikes me is what is the alternative? Labour? Different peas in the same pod.

The next election will be a choice of which party is the least shti.
 
Oh I wholeheartedly agree - I find the incumbent government abhorrent- JRM slouching in parliament was the depiction of a government so out of touch it’s laughable were it not tragic.

BREXIT as a concept is a regressive move - but what strikes me is what is the alternative? Labour? Different peas in the same pod.

The next election will be a choice of which party is the least shti.

I agree and another election is unlikely to resolve anything either - it'll probably return another gridlocked Parliament.

I was against another referendum but now it looks like a vote on some version of Brexit versus Remain is the only way to settle this.
 
No he hasn't, he still wants a general election but first legislation needs to be confirmed for a no deal not being an option.

Yes, I agree with Corbyn on this point.

I still think Johnson will get a majority at the next GE but withdrawing the whip from 21 MPs is a really clumsy move in that respect. Will they stand as independents or join other parties, or form another splinter group?

The idea that there should be a "no deal" legislation to tie the government's hands is absurd.

Intelligent thinking will lead to the following conclusion.

Johnson to the EU "I want Britain out of the EU under any circumstances".

EU to Johnson "the only deal we will offer is one in which Britain pays us 250 billion pounds".

What is Johnson to do? He has to have Brexit, and also a deal. So he pays 250 billion pounds to EU?

You can't tie the hands of the person negotiating a deal for you and make it known to the other side. It is pretty basic game theory.
 
The idea that there should be a "no deal" legislation to tie the government's hands is absurd.

Intelligent thinking will lead to the following conclusion.

Johnson to the EU "I want Britain out of the EU under any circumstances".

EU to Johnson "the only deal we will offer is one in which Britain pays us 250 billion pounds".

What is Johnson to do? He has to have Brexit, and also a deal. So he pays 250 billion pounds to EU?

You can't tie the hands of the person negotiating a deal for you and make it known to the other side. It is pretty basic game theory.

It’s not £250B. It was £39B on 31st March but since we didn’t leave we have been paying it down and it is now £33B. This is to maintain CU, SM, Europol and so on benefits during the transition period as we uncouple for the EU.
 
Spot on bro. Here is a perfect example of some of the ******* who voted for Brexit. Such an important decision should never be put in the hands of numpties.




Moderate? What is so extreme about JC?

Yes they are stupid , this isnt arrogance but the harsh reality of dumbed down population we have now. Be real, most idiots who voted for Brexit were racists worried about immigration or foriegners in Europe taking advantage of the UK. Half of these clowns are not well off and have voted for being even poorer.


I didn’t say he was extreme. He is on the left of the Labour Party like his hero Tony Benn. But left leaders do not win GEs. Labour have to find someone moderate to coax back the centre voters flocking to the Lib Dems.

You won’t persuade anyone by calling them stupid, you just sound elitist when you do that. Engage with them instead. Find out their concerns and express solutions in terms they understand.
 
Also [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] the threat of no deal only works if you are selling something which you can sell to someone else. Like a car or a truckload of grain. In Johnson’s position, No Deal threat means “Take my deal or I will shoot my own foot off”. In which case Barnier will say “Okay, shoot your own foot off then.”
 
It’s not £250B. It was £39B on 31st March but since we didn’t leave we have been paying it down and it is now £33B. This is to maintain CU, SM, Europol and so on benefits during the transition period as we uncouple for the EU.

£39B was the deal May negotiated when there was no restriction on her that she could not end negotiations without a deal.

£250B was given as an example of an extreme demand the EU could make.

I thought it should be obvious that legally binding BJ to make a deal with the EU takes away all bargaining power he has in his negotiations.
 
Also [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] the threat of no deal only works if you are selling something which you can sell to someone else. Like a car or a truckload of grain. In Johnson’s position, No Deal threat means “Take my deal or I will shoot my own foot off”. In which case Barnier will say “Okay, shoot your own foot off then.”

No, that is not the correct analysis of the situation. It is more like "I have this grenade and if I pull the pin, both of us will get hurt".

BJ also has bargaining power. The EU knows that if there is no-deal, it will also be hurt. There have been studies that have estimated the GDP losses to EU countries from a no-deal Brexit. If a no-deal did not hurt the EU, then BJ would have no bargaining power.

Legally forbidding BJ from a no-deal exit takes away his bargaining power.
 
The calculus for the EU leadership is not simply the losses they would suffer from a no-deal Brexit. They are actually willing to take losses as long as it hurts Britain badly.

They want to hurt Britain to dissuade other countries from leaving the EU in the future.

 
No, that is not the correct analysis of the situation. It is more like "I have this grenade and if I pull the pin, both of us will get hurt".

BJ also has bargaining power. The EU knows that if there is no-deal, it will also be hurt. There have been studies that have estimated the GDP losses to EU countries from a no-deal Brexit. If a no-deal did not hurt the EU, then BJ would have no bargaining power.

Legally forbidding BJ from a no-deal exit takes away his bargaining power.

But Barnier is wearing a bomb suit and Johnson is naked!
 
I didn’t say he was extreme. He is on the left of the Labour Party like his hero Tony Benn. But left leaders do not win GEs. Labour have to find someone moderate to coax back the centre voters flocking to the Lib Dems.

You won’t persuade anyone by calling them stupid, you just sound elitist when you do that. Engage with them instead. Find out their concerns and express solutions in terms they understand.

Isnt it about time we have someone on the left? After Bliar and his war crimes and Tories with their austerity, the UK has suffered.

Fair point but sadly its the harsh reality of our society in some areas.
 
The leftist liberals in most countries are mostly against the majority religion and try to appease others.

If they are unbiased in todays pluralist world they have more chances of victory among the swing voters.

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie are great examples of balanced liberals , Elizabeth even more so ,she has said she supports pure free markets, not the biased ones like now.
 
Isnt it about time we have someone on the left? After Bliar and his war crimes and Tories with their austerity, the UK has suffered.

Fair point but sadly its the harsh reality of our society in some areas.

It might well be time, but you need someone competent in charge. Most of the skilled MPs have gone to the backbenches or regional mayor jobs.

I would love to see a Lab-Lib-SNP pact led by Starmer, but Corbyn will have to accept that he has been promoted too high and get out of the way first.
 
Actually it doesn’t - the LD one does according to the IFS. Labour will clobber the rich without helping the poor much.

That is not entirely true. 129 leading economists signed an open letter in 2016 (or whenever the snap election happened, I can't remember) claiming Labour's policies were the most economically viable.

What does clobbering the rich even mean?
 
That is not entirely true. 129 leading economists signed an open letter in 2016 (or whenever the snap election happened, I can't remember) claiming Labour's policies were the most economically viable.

What does clobbering the rich even mean?

1. "most economincally viable" - compared to the Tory plan? - is not the same as best for the poor, though.

2. Making them pay very high levels of tax, which encourages them to become tax exiles and so we lose the tax revenue. The trick is to close the loopholes on tax avoidance and sneak up on them gradually ;-)
 
With a general election around the corner D-day is approaching for Corbyn and his supporters. Within a few months Corbyn will either be PM or he’ll have failed yet again at the polls and will go down as one of the worst Labour leaders ever.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We talk elections/referendums -he wants the first but insists there must be the second. And he will not be neutral. Brexit policy ‘a vase’. Says no way of doing Brexit without undermining GFA. Believes <a href="https://twitter.com/UKLabour?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UKLabour</a> can win GE but If they don’t he and <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jeremycorbyn</a> will step down 2/8</p>— Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell (@campbellclaret) <a href="https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1182587403162345473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: John McDonnell has said that he and Jeremy Corbyn will resign from Labour’s top team if the party loses a snap general election.<a href="https://t.co/rd0PMpfAAB">https://t.co/rd0PMpfAAB</a></p>— PoliticsHome (@politicshome) <a href="https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1182639484925407232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
With a general election around the corner D-day is approaching for Corbyn and his supporters. Within a few months Corbyn will either be PM or he’ll have failed yet again at the polls and will go down as one of the worst Labour leaders ever.

These guys are in their seventies. Retirement beckons. None too soon for Labour, who might get an electable Leader now.

But I fear that Labour is lost to the hard left and they will elect some Corbynista like Rebecca Long-Bailey, instead of someone capable who can win centre-ground votes like Yvette Cooper.
 
Jeremy Corbyn has refused to say whether he would stand down as Labour leader if the party lost the next general election.

Earlier this week, shadow chancellor and close ally John McDonnell said he "can't see" how Mr Corbyn could stay on in such a scenario.

But the leader told Sky News he expected to win the election, and would not answer "hypothetical" questions.

Mr Corbyn has been in the job since 2015, when he replaced Ed Miliband.

A general election is expected to take place in the autumn, with Labour currently trailing the Conservatives in the opinion polls.

Mr McDonnell told GQ magazine this week that he did not want to succeed Mr Corbyn, adding that a woman should become the next party leader.

Questioned by Sky's Sophy Ridge, Mr Corbyn said: "We are not expecting to lose the next election. It is a hypothetical question. It is up to the members of our party to decide who the leader is.

"John gave an answer to an interview that he undertook. My answer is this: I am leading this party to go into an election. We have hundreds of thousands of members determined to win that election."

He added: "I am determined to get a message that it is only Labour that is going to get a message out there, that it is only Labour that is going to end austerity and invest in a better future for this country. I want to lead the party to do that."

Mr Corbyn saw off a leadership challenge from Owen Smith in 2016.

And Labour did better than expected in the snap 2017 general election but still got 56 fewer seats than the Conservatives.

Among the figures touted as potential future leaders are shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry and shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey.

Backbench MP Jess Phillips has also said she "might" enter any contest.

Ms Long-Bailey told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "It would be fantastic for the next Labour leader to be a woman and we've got a whole list of amazing MPs that could vie for that position.

"But it's a hypothetical situation at the moment. We're fighting a general election to elect Jeremy Corbyn as our next prime minister and we think we're in touching distance of that."

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50033227.
 
MP Louise Ellman has quit the Labour Party, saying Jeremy Corbyn is "not fit" to become prime minister.

The Liverpool Riverside MP said in a letter she had been "deeply troubled" by the "growth of anti-Semitism" in Labour in recent years.

Mrs Ellman, who is Jewish, has been a party member for 55 years but said she "can no longer advocate voting Labour when it risks Corbyn becoming PM".

Labour said it was taking "robust action" to root out anti-Semitism.

Mrs Ellman, who has been an MP since 1997, said anti-Semitism had become "mainstream" in Labour under Mr Corbyn's leadership.

"I believe that Jeremy Corbyn is not fit to serve as our prime minister," she said.

"With a looming general election and the possibility of him becoming prime minister, I feel I have to take a stand."

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Mrs Ellman's resignation letter was "extraordinary".

'Bullied, abused and driven out'
Mrs Ellman described her decision as "truly agonising, as it has been for the thousands of other party members who have already left".

She stressed she had no intention of defecting to another political party, as other former Labour MPs had done, and hoped to be able to return to Labour under different leadership.

Earlier this year, Luciana Berger, MP for Liverpool Wavertree since 2010, left Labour in protest at the handling of anti-Semitism allegations.

She subsequently joined the Liberal Democrats.

"Jewish members have been bullied, abused and driven out," Mrs Ellman added.

"A party that permits anti-Jewish racism to flourish cannot be called anti-racist.

"This is not compatible with the Labour Party's values of equality, tolerance and respect for minorities.

"My values - traditional Labour values - have remained the same. It is Labour, under Jeremy Corbyn, that has changed."

Fellow MPs reacted to the news of Mrs Ellman's resignation.

Mr Corbyn has insisted the party is addressing concerns and in July proposed changes to Labour's complaints system to speed up the expulsion of members over anti-Semitism.

A party spokesman said Mr Corbyn thanked Mrs Ellman for her service "over many years".

"Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party are fully committed to the support, defence and celebration of the Jewish community and continue to take robust action to root out anti-Semitism in the party and wider society," they said.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50077384.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From what we know, Johnson's negotiated a worse deal than Theresa May. This sell-out deal risks our rights, protections and NHS. It won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. <a href="https://t.co/ZMKSNt2Nc9">pic.twitter.com/ZMKSNt2Nc9</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1184778593412538370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
These guys are in their seventies. Retirement beckons. None too soon for Labour, who might get an electable Leader now.

But I fear that Labour is lost to the hard left and they will elect some Corbynista like Rebecca Long-Bailey, instead of someone capable who can win centre-ground votes like Yvette Cooper.

yes she did such a great job winning votes when she was with milliband junior..
 
The ball is in Labour’s side of the court now. If they think this Tory government is so bad then surely they would want to get them removed from power asap. To keep on delaying an election is cowardly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boris Johnson has just announced that he’s tabling a motion on Monday for a general election...<br><br>If the motion passes, we'll have the chance to positively transform this country for the many!<br><br>We say: bring it on!</p>— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1187401240633843712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The Labour Party seems very divided to me. Trigger petitions going off everywhere - now at least half of the parliamentary party wants Corbyn removed, meanwhile Momentum (whilst passionately supporting the Corbyn project) is also putting the man himself in an extremely awkward position, as are the activists, because the likes of Jones, Sarkar, Mason and Blakeley are desperate for a boots-on-the-ground campaign and a General Election - which Corbyn also probably wants, and his inner circle (Milne etc) are preparing for it - but then, the loudest voices on his front bench won’t let him commit to it! A mess.

Labour could be about to move through a period of change that began in the Tory Party in March, when it became clear that May had blown any chance she had of personally delivering Brexit and local Tory associations started deselecting any Remain-supporting MPs, moreover a largely unspoken pact was struck amongst loyal Conservative voters to engineer a Brexit Party victory in the European Elections which would finally deliver the coup de grace to May’s premiership. And then there was the ensemble dismissal of “the 21 in September”. Now the Tories are barely holding onto an entirely unstable minority rule under Johnson, BUT all 287 MPs are resolutely voting together at the behest of the whips and anyone who does not get firmly behind leaving the EU, deal-or-no-deal, is pretty much instantly out of the door.

Labour needs to take similarly brutal actions to unite their party, either behind Corbyn or behind somebody else. They need to make their mind up on Leave or Remain and on Election or no Election.
 
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yes she did such a great job winning votes when she was with milliband junior..

All the trouble started when Labour elected the wrong Milliband. David would have won the 2015 election and there would have been no referendum.
 
The Labour Party seems very divided to me. Trigger petitions going off everywhere - now at least half of the parliamentary party wants Corbyn removed, meanwhile Momentum (whilst passionately supporting the Corbyn project) is also putting the man himself in an extremely awkward position, as are the activists, because the likes of Jones, Sarkar, Mason and Blakeley are desperate for a boots-on-the-ground campaign and a General Election - which Corbyn also probably wants, and his inner circle (Milne etc) are preparing for it - but then, the loudest voices on his front bench won’t let him commit to it! A mess.

Labour could be about to move through a period of change that began in the Tory Party in March, when it became clear that May had blown any chance she had of personally delivering Brexit and local Tory associations started deselecting any Remain-supporting MPs, moreover a largely unspoken pact was struck amongst loyal Conservative voters to engineer a Brexit Party victory in the European Elections which would finally deliver the coup de grace to May’s premiership. And then there was the ensemble dismissal of “the 21 in September”. Now the Tories are barely holding onto an entirely unstable minority rule under Johnson, BUT all 287 MPs are resolutely voting together at the behest of the whips and anyone who does not get firmly behind leaving the EU, deal-or-no-deal, is pretty much instantly out of the door.

Labour needs to take similarly brutal actions to unite their party, either behind Corbyn or behind somebody else. They need to make their mind up on Leave or Remain and on Election or no Election.

Tories are only clinging on because a GE at this point is clearly a trap. They think they can win it and a lot of Leave constituencies could go from Labour to Tory.

It Labour get ruthless then their refuseniks could join the Lib Dems. Might lose their seats after the GE, but I think Umunna and Berger at least have good chances in other constituencies.
 
Labour said that once an EU extension had been agreed they’d back an election. So will they back one this week? If not it’s pretty spineless stuff from the Labour hierarchy.
 
Labour said that once an EU extension had been agreed they’d back an election. So will they back one this week? If not it’s pretty spineless stuff from the Labour hierarchy.

Agree, if they don't then as far as I'm concerned corbyn must go
 
I think Johnson wants an election because he has a big lead. By January, Labour might have a decent leader and recover in the polls, and the Tories’ window will close.
 
I think Johnson wants an election because he has a big lead. By January, Labour might have a decent leader and recover in the polls, and the Tories’ window will close.

Slim chance that Corbyn goes before the next general election.
 
Now that the 31/10 deadline lies dead in a ditch, I wonder if the BXP will resurge a5 take lumps out of the Tory vote.
 
Cowards. They say the country is falling apart because of the Tories yet they don’t want an early election to get rid of said Tories?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: I'm told that Labour's shadow cabinet:<br>- agreed to ABSTAIN on election vote under FTPA tonight <br>- recognise a single line bill is likely to PASS anyway with Tory/ SNP/ LD support<br>- believe Labour MPs "aren't in a good place" on GE and will refuse to vote for it.</p>— Pippa Crerar (@PippaCrerar) <a href="https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1188824161193529349?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
What is more interesting is that the Liberals and the SNP have ditched their short term plans for a People's vote in favour of an election on the 9th December.

Given the global politics and electoral results of late, it would not surprise me if we end up with Tory & Brexit Party coalition, with Boris as PM, and Farage as deputy PM. I am sure Rees-Mogg will have a part to play too!

A pro Brexit government, with a commanding majority, at which point, all deals are off, no more Remainer delay tactics, no stupid court cases, and the greatest card up the sleeve, No deal, stays firmly on the table.
 
What is more interesting is that the Liberals and the SNP have ditched their short term plans for a People's vote in favour of an election on the 9th December.

Given the global politics and electoral results of late, it would not surprise me if we end up with Tory & Brexit Party coalition, with Boris as PM, and Farage as deputy PM. I am sure Rees-Mogg will have a part to play too!

A pro Brexit government, with a commanding majority, at which point, all deals are off, no more Remainer delay tactics, no stupid court cases, and the greatest card up the sleeve, No deal, stays firmly on the table.

Do you think the Brexit party’s votes will actually translate into seats? If there’s no pre poll alliance where one side steps down so that the other has a better chance of beating Labour/Lib Dems then we’ll have another 2015 when UKIP got millions of votes but only 1 seat.
 
Do you think the Brexit party’s votes will actually translate into seats? If there’s no pre poll alliance where one side steps down so that the other has a better chance of beating Labour/Lib Dems then we’ll have another 2015 when UKIP got millions of votes but only 1 seat.

If I remember correctly that 1 seat was because of a Tory MP defecting to the UKIP party?

I personally don't think we will end up in the same situation as 2015, because 1, UKIP was perceived to be a right-wing party, the party is now dead and buried. Brexit party on the other-hand doesn't have the racist and fascist undertones like UKIP, which means the Brexit party appeals to a larger demographic than UKIP. Plus the majority of the Brexit Party MEPs is evidence of wide spread support.

Either way, I think traditional party politics is dead. We now live in an era where politicians either support Leave, or Remain, instead of supporting traditional party values.
 
Do you think the Brexit party’s votes will actually translate into seats? If there’s no pre poll alliance where one side steps down so that the other has a better chance of beating Labour/Lib Dems then we’ll have another 2015 when UKIP got millions of votes but only 1 seat.

No. They could get 15% of the vote and no seats due to FPTP.

All they will do is split the right wing vote, which could mean Labour as the largest party. Corbyn could then be PM given confidence and supply relationships with 45 Scot Nats and maybe 35 Lib Dems.
 
Labour MP Keith Vaz "disregarded" the law by "expressing a willingness" to help buy cocaine for male prostitutes, the Commons standards body has found.

It said there was "compelling evidence" he offered to pay for a class A drug and had paid-for sex in August 2016.

It is recommending he be suspended for six months after he was "evasive and unhelpful" during the investigation.

Mr Vaz would not comment on his future but said he was receiving treatment for a serious mental health condition.

A statement later issued by his office said Mr Vaz had cooperated at all stages of the inquiry and he had been admitted to hospital on Monday.

If MPs vote to approve the committee's recommendation, Mr Vaz would be subject to a recall petition which could trigger a by-election if supported by 10% of his constituents.

Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen, whose complaint triggered the investigation, told BBC East Midlands Today: "The wheels of justice have moved slowly but inexorably to the right conclusion.

"The report is damning regarding Keith Vaz's conduct and only needs rubber stamp from parliament now.

"Hopefully, this is the end of the line for Keith Vaz, I don't think he's fit to be representing anywhere in this place, I think he's been a malign influence on local and national politics for too long."

A spokesman for Mr Vaz said the Leicester East MP had been treated for a serious mental health condition "for the last three years as a result of the events of 27th August 2016".

"He has shared all the medical reports in confidence with the committee. He has nothing further to say on this matter other than what was said in his oral and written statements to the committee and to the commissioner."

The police declined to take action against the MP following an investigation in 2016.

'Memory loss'
In a scathing report, the committee said there was "convincing evidence" that Mr Vaz was "evasive or unhelpful" during an investigation into his conduct by Commons standards commissioners Kathryn Hudson and Kathryn Stone.

A statement on Mr Vaz's website "vigorously" rejected this allegation and said he cooperated at "all stages of this process".

"He holds the standards system in the highest regard and with the highest respect," it said.

The revelations, first reported by the Sunday Mirror, led to Mr Vaz standing down as chairman of the Home Affairs Select committee - which at the time was conducting an inquiry into drug policy.

It was alleged the MP had met two men at his London flat to engage in paid-for sex, and that during this encounter - which was covertly recorded by one of the men - he offered to buy illegal drugs for a third person to use.

In her report, the commissioner said the recording "contains evidence of Mr Vaz's apparent willingness to purchase controlled drugs for others to use".

"While his comments regarding this may not amount to a criminal offence, he shows disregard for the law and that, in turn, is disrespectful to the House and fellow members, who collectively are responsible for making those laws."

At the time, Mr Vaz said he had met the men to discuss the redecoration of his flat.

But the cross-party committee said Mr Vaz's characterisation of the meeting - in which he reportedly posed as a washing machine salesman - was "not believable and ludicrous".

The MP's claim during the inquiry that his drink may have been spiked and that he had since suffered memory loss about the incident were "not relevant", the report found.

'Good example'
The MP's conduct in relation to illegal drugs and his behaviour during the investigation caused "significant damage" to the reputation and integrity of the House of Commons, it said.

He had "failed repeatedly to answer direct questions, gave incomplete answers and an account that was, in parts, incredible" - actions which constituted a "very serious" breach of the MPs' code of conduct.

"Mr Vaz has done his best to complicate, obfuscate and confuse the inquiry through arguments of little merit and documentation of dubious relevance," it said.

The committee said its aim throughout was "to establish whether the rules of the House have been complied with, not to investigate Mr Vaz's private life or to pass judgement on issues of sexual morality".

Mr Vaz, a former Europe minister under Tony Blair, was suspended from the Commons for one month in 2002 after being found to have obstructed a standards watchdog's investigation into his financial affairs.

The committee said it had taken this into account in recommending the longer suspension, as well as the fact that as chair of the Home Affairs committee there was an extra onus on Mr Vaz to set a "good example" to other MPs.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50212221.
 
If I remember correctly that 1 seat was because of a Tory MP defecting to the UKIP party?

I personally don't think we will end up in the same situation as 2015, because 1, UKIP was perceived to be a right-wing party, the party is now dead and buried. Brexit party on the other-hand doesn't have the racist and fascist undertones like UKIP, which means the Brexit party appeals to a larger demographic than UKIP. Plus the majority of the Brexit Party MEPs is evidence of wide spread support.

Either way, I think traditional party politics is dead. We now live in an era where politicians either support Leave, or Remain, instead of supporting traditional party values.

Wake up mate. You think people who vote BXP want people who look like you to move in on “their” street? How many BXP MEPs came from the multicultural cities? BXP are not on your side.
 
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