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Wake up mate. You think people who vote BXP want people who look like you to move in on “their” street? How many BXP MEPs came from the multicultural cities? BXP are not on your side.

This is the exact sort of attitude that has resulted in this current political mess. The lefty liberals ignore all voices, throw accusations of racism etc, and then wonder why people stand up against the status quo.

I wasn't going to vote for the Brexit party by the way, I was merely pointing out that Brexit party appeals to a bigger demographic than UKIP did, a point which you cannot deny. So the odds are Brexit party will win seats, and the success in the MEP elections suggest so too.

Please also quit this myth that racism has made a rare appearance in society because of Brexit, racism has been party of society in this country since I can remember, well before the EU, and under ALL government parties, including Tories and Labour. Of course you only know too well with your experiences.

You can accuse the Brexit party of being a racist party, but it is the arrogance and ignorance of the left which creates the right.
 
This is the exact sort of attitude that has resulted in this current political mess. The lefty liberals ignore all voices, throw accusations of racism etc, and then wonder why people stand up against the status quo.

I wasn't going to vote for the Brexit party by the way, I was merely pointing out that Brexit party appeals to a bigger demographic than UKIP did, a point which you cannot deny. So the odds are Brexit party will win seats, and the success in the MEP elections suggest so too.

Please also quit this myth that racism has made a rare appearance in society because of Brexit, racism has been party of society in this country since I can remember, well before the EU, and under ALL government parties, including Tories and Labour. Of course you only know too well with your experiences.

You can accuse the Brexit party of being a racist party, but it is the arrogance and ignorance of the left which creates the right.

The left (Marx) formed as a reaction to the right. Read Steinbeck - “Paine, Marx, Lenin, Jefferson were results, not causes”.

Scratch the surface of a white Brexit voter and first he’ll say “unelected bureaucrats” then more often than not he will say “immigrants”. Not every Leave voter is racist, but every racist voted Leave. For them it’s all about replaying the World Cup Final 1966 over and over, when there were no BAME faces on telly. The status quo they are standing up against is you!
 
By the way [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] BXP won MEP seats in the shires because of proportional representation. They would need 20% of the vote under FPTP to get any MPs, else they are just splitting the Tory vote and letting more Labour and LibDems into Parliament.
 
The left (Marx) formed as a reaction to the right. Read Steinbeck - “Paine, Marx, Lenin, Jefferson were results, not causes”.

Scratch the surface of a white Brexit voter and first he’ll say “unelected bureaucrats” then more often than not he will say “immigrants”. Not every Leave voter is racist, but every racist voted Leave. For them it’s all about replaying the World Cup Final 1966 over and over, when there were no BAME faces on telly. The status quo they are standing up against is you!

No it's not. You are exaggerating.

You have misconstrued the desire for controlled immigration with abolishing immigration. This is the liberal flaw. The reality however it is the liberals who are racists! They are perfectly happy with a free immigration policy for white Anglo Saxons from Europe, would not want Turkey to join the EU, and are happy with strict immigration laws and restrictions for anyone outside the EU seeking a better life.

You live in a country where you feel shame for raising the Union Jack, yet are proud of what your past generation achieved in the World Wars. Think about what sort of country you live in now thanks to liberals.
 
By the way [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] BXP won MEP seats in the shires because of proportional representation. They would need 20% of the vote under FPTP to get any MPs, else they are just splitting the Tory vote and letting more Labour and LibDems into Parliament.

I know, but you do realize the same applies to the Liberal Party then. So I wouldn't get my hopes up based on LUD performance in MEP elections, and the same goes for Tories and Labour.

Then again, it was the LUD and SNP using MEP results to gauge the Leave/Remain representation, and claimed 60% of the UK MEPs represented remain!

The reality is this, people are quickly realizing that the aim of LUD, SNP, and Independent party is to stop Brexit. This is playing right into the hands of Boris. Go ask Chukka and Anna how they are doing if you really think the people favour a second referendum etc.
 
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I know, but you do realize the same applies to the Liberal Party then. So I wouldn't get my hopes up based on LUD performance in MEP elections, and the same goes for Tories and Labour.


LDs got twelve MPs on 7% of the vote and expect to get 40 MPs on 20%. 22% will push that up to sixty seats, and 27% means 100 seats. BXP won't get any, according to Electoral Calculus. All they will do is split the right vote.

Then again, it was the LUD and SNP using MEP results to gauge the Leave/Remain representation, and claimed 60% of the UK MEPs represented remain!


Of course 60% of MEPs want Remain. I am surprised that the figure is so low. Hopefully through exposure to the EU Parl, the BXP MEPs will become Remainers too.

The reality is this, people are quickly realizing that the aim of LUD, SNP, and Independent party is to stop Brexit. This is playing right into the hands of Boris. Go ask Chukka and Anna how they are doing if you really think the people favour a second referendum etc.


Not that quick then are they? :)) LDs went from polling 7% to 20% on the basis of opposing Brexit! SNP represents Scotland which is for Remain.

Mr Umunna is a LD now. He's standing in Cities of London & Westminster next. Soubry will probably lose her seat. I admire her for doing what she thinks is right for her constituents instead of her own career. Her Broxtowe seat is an ultra-marginal which will probably fall to Labour.

"The people" didn't "favour" the 2016 Referendum either, it was enacted by Parliament. They give us the chance to vote and we vote. If Parliament enacts another Referendum we will vote on that too.

The current tactic by SNP and LDs is to pull forward a GE so that No Deal is taken off the table. As Labour won't cooperate in securing a PV, the only way to stop Brexit is get more Remain MPs.

I notice you are not commenting on the racism under the surface of much of the Leave vote. I entreat you to think more about this. Mrs Robert noticed a spike in racism and xenophobia since the Referendum and I expect in your heart of hearts you did too. I'm looking out for you here.
 
No it's not. You are exaggerating.

You have misconstrued the desire for controlled immigration with abolishing immigration. This is the liberal flaw. The reality however it is the liberals who are racists! They are perfectly happy with a free immigration policy for white Anglo Saxons from Europe, would not want Turkey to join the EU, and are happy with strict immigration laws and restrictions for anyone outside the EU seeking a better life.

You live in a country where you feel shame for raising the Union Jack, yet are proud of what your past generation achieved in the World Wars. Think about what sort of country you live in now thanks to liberals.

You are understating. There was a spike in racial violence after the Referendum.

I wear the UJ on my lapel, reclaiming it from the xenophobes. It is possible to be proud of Britain's positive contributions to the world while aware of structural racism, the Opium Wars, mishandling of famines in Ireland and India, invasion of Iraq and so on.

EU citizens are of all races.

We can control EU immigrations under EU law, but the government has chosen not to. Now they are leaving and the fruit is rotting as the indigenous whites don't want the work.

Turkey will join the EU when she renounces her current authoritarian ruler and his contempt for human rights.
 
LDs got twelve MPs on 7% of the vote and expect to get 40 MPs on 20%. 22% will push that up to sixty seats, and 27% means 100 seats. BXP won't get any, according to Electoral Calculus. All they will do is split the right vote.


Of course 60% of MEPs want Remain. I am surprised that the figure is so low. Hopefully through exposure to the EU Parl, the BXP MEPs will become Remainers too.


Not that quick then are they? :)) LDs went from polling 7% to 20% on the basis of opposing Brexit! SNP represents Scotland which is for Remain.

Mr Umunna is a LD now. He's standing in Cities of London & Westminster next. Soubry will probably lose her seat. I admire her for doing what she thinks is right for her constituents instead of her own career. Her Broxtowe seat is an ultra-marginal which will probably fall to Labour.

"The people" didn't "favour" the 2016 Referendum either, it was enacted by Parliament. They give us the chance to vote and we vote. If Parliament enacts another Referendum we will vote on that too.

The current tactic by SNP and LDs is to pull forward a GE so that No Deal is taken off the table. As Labour won't cooperate in securing a PV, the only way to stop Brexit is get more Remain MPs.

I notice you are not commenting on the racism under the surface of much of the Leave vote. I entreat you to think more about this. Mrs Robert noticed a spike in racism and xenophobia since the Referendum and I expect in your heart of hearts you did too. I'm looking out for you here.

LD have 7 MPs in the house? You forget to mention how many MPs they had in 2015. You seem to be forgetting, in 2017 LUDs campaigned for a second referendum, etc, and ened up LOSING seats! What does this tell you? The people do not want a 2nd referendum, and still do not, especially after Jo Swinson was ripped a new one in Parliament yesterday.

Fast forward to today, now the LUD (and SNP) have changed their mind on a second referendum and a re supporting a general election!

If you think this is a sign of a strong Liberal party then you are mistaken.

I know you are looking out for me bud, but I think you have misunderstood the situation.
 
You are understating. There was a spike in racial violence after the Referendum.

I wear the UJ on my lapel, reclaiming it from the xenophobes. It is possible to be proud of Britain's positive contributions to the world while aware of structural racism, the Opium Wars, mishandling of famines in Ireland and India, invasion of Iraq and so on.

EU citizens are of all races.

We can control EU immigrations under EU law, but the government has chosen not to. Now they are leaving and the fruit is rotting as the indigenous whites don't want the work.

Turkey will join the EU when she renounces her current authoritarian ruler and his contempt for human rights.

First and foremost, a spike in racism is not the same as a trend in racism. Racism has always existed in the UK, long before the EU. Now you can argue that parties like UKIP or situation like Brexit may provide a sense of legitimization towards racism, but we all know this is false. Do you honestly believe if we cancel Brexit, that racism will disappear from society? No. Not even laws against racism prevent racism, the laws simply deter.

You are totally false when you claim we can control EU immigration. Let me remind you that control takes place at the border, not passed it. It is not control if you let through EU citizens on good faith expecting them to find a job etc. This is not control, this is confirming to a stupid law and having faith in a citizen.

Tell me, should we have open border policies for every citizen of every country in the world? Yes or no? Oh I need not remind you, the Windrush scandal. The UK were set to boot out non-EU immigrants from the 50s, no law protected them, it was only after the scandal broke clsoe to an election, that there was action, otherwise, someone who had been working for over 50 years was set to boot. Yes proper fairness under current immigration rules.

You are correct on one point though, the government could have staggered Eastern European immigrant migration, i.e, CONTROL the flow of immigration from Eastern Europe, just as Germany did, when the Eastern block joined the EU, but no, the gates were open. Well, too late, even though the gates would have opened anyway.

When people were complaining about immigration for years, your party, yes your party, the Liberal Undemocratic Party, labelled them racists. Now that we are leaving the EU, your message to them is that the government can control EU immigration and that Brexit is a racist decision. Again, too late.

If you really must know what contributed to the spike in racism, it was the left.
 
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] - Every nation I have been to, I have seen citizens raise their national flag with pride. Why shouldn't Brits without being accused of racism or imperialism from the left? Because of the stigma attached with a Union Jack? I am beginning to wonder why Jerusalem is the Cricket anthem for England, I guess God save the Queen would have offended the left?
 
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This is massive and what every reporter's leading question should be with a Government Minister.

They are selling us down the river.
 
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] - Every nation I have been to, I have seen citizens raise their national flag with pride. Why shouldn't Brits without being accused of racism or imperialism from the left? Because of the stigma attached with a Union Jack? I am beginning to wonder why Jerusalem is the Cricket anthem for England, I guess God save the Queen would have offended the left?

The racist far right hijacked the Union Flag. So now many BAME people fear it. There should be a muscular liberalism emergent to reclaim the flag and to champion what is good about British culture.

Because it is England playing, not the UK. Wales have Men of Harlech, Scotland has flower of Scotland. Listen to the words of Jerusalem.
 
LD have 7 MPs in the house? You forget to mention how many MPs they had in 2015. You seem to be forgetting, in 2017 LUDs campaigned for a second referendum, etc, and ened up LOSING seats! What does this tell you? The people do not want a 2nd referendum, and still do not, especially after Jo Swinson was ripped a new one in Parliament yesterday.

Fast forward to today, now the LUD (and SNP) have changed their mind on a second referendum and a re supporting a general election!

If you think this is a sign of a strong Liberal party then you are mistaken.

I know you are looking out for me bud, but I think you have misunderstood the situation.

That’s not correct, in 2015 the Libs had eight MPs, increasing to twelve in 2017. Farron tripped up regarding the gay sex thing which dominated the LD message, and a lot of Remainers felt that Corbyn was for Remain.

Blackford and Swinson have given up on a PV as they will not get the numbers, so the only effective option is to try to increase the number of Remain MPs in a GE.
 
First and foremost, a spike in racism is not the same as a trend in racism. Racism has always existed in the UK, long before the EU. Now you can argue that parties like UKIP or situation like Brexit may provide a sense of legitimization towards racism, but we all know this is false. Do you honestly believe if we cancel Brexit, that racism will disappear from society? No. Not even laws against racism prevent racism, the laws simply deter.

It's not false. Look at that Leave poster with the imaginary Golden Horde. Listen to Johnson talking about pickaninnies and letterboxes. This is all dogwhistling to the racists.

Racism won't disappear but at least jobs will be retained, and people will not be worse off, allowing racism to flower.

You are totally false when you claim we can control EU immigration. Let me remind you that control takes place at the border, not passed it. It is not control if you let through EU citizens on good faith expecting them to find a job etc. This is not control, this is confirming to a stupid law and having faith in a citizen.

If an EU migrant doesn't get a job or married or a place to study they can be deported. But our government chose not to do this.

Tell me, should we have open border policies for every citizen of every country in the world? Yes or no? Oh I need not remind you, the Windrush scandal. The UK were set to boot out non-EU immigrants from the 50s, no law protected them, it was only after the scandal broke clsoe to an election, that there was action, otherwise, someone who had been working for over 50 years was set to boot. Yes proper fairness under current immigration rules.

I support free movement within certain limits. I can go and work or study or retire anywhere I chose in the EU28. This is a wonderful freedom for me.

Windrush had nothing to do with the EU, it was a pernicious and unjust racist policy by our own government.

You are correct on one point though, the government could have staggered Eastern European immigrant migration, i.e, CONTROL the flow of immigration from Eastern Europe, just as Germany did, when the Eastern block joined the EU, but no, the gates were open. Well, too late, even though the gates would have opened anyway.

When people were complaining about immigration for years, your party, yes your party, the Liberal Undemocratic Party, labelled them racists. Now that we are leaving the EU, your message to them is that the government can control EU immigration and that Brexit is a racist decision. Again, too late.

If you really must know what contributed to the spike in racism, it was the left.

Only the racists. As Sir Vince said, all racists voted Leave.
 
The racist far right hijacked the Union Flag. So now many BAME people fear it. There should be a muscular liberalism emergent to reclaim the flag and to champion what is good about British culture.

There you go again, the far right have hijacked the flag. This is completely false. It is the left who have created a toxic society with their PC gone mad liberal nonsense. Lets take your opinion for example, you have mentioned the following above :

For them it’s all about replaying the World Cup Final 1966 over and over

So what if they want to reply and relive the jubilant moments of the 1996 WC? What's wrong with this? Who are you to question them or label them as the far right? Why? Because of their pride and nationalism? The only people who have a problem with the Union Jack are the left who simply cannot let go of the stigma attached with British imperialism. It's history, move on.
 
That’s not correct, in 2015 the Libs had eight MPs, increasing to twelve in 2017. Farron tripped up regarding the gay sex thing which dominated the LD message, and a lot of Remainers felt that Corbyn was for Remain.

Blackford and Swinson have given up on a PV as they will not get the numbers, so the only effective option is to try to increase the number of Remain MPs in a GE.

Sorry I was thinking of the 2010 to 2015 drop, so I stand corrected.
 
It's not false. Look at that Leave poster with the imaginary Golden Horde. Listen to Johnson talking about pickaninnies and letterboxes. This is all dogwhistling to the racists.

This does not change the fact that racism has always existed in this country, certainly more so post 1947 due to the influx of common wealth immigrants. This peak in racism you speak of is not a touch on the levels of racism in the yesteryears. The trend is up, and Brexit or no Brexit, this trend will continue to rise.


Racism won't disappear but at least jobs will be retained, and people will not be worse off, allowing racism to flower.

Jobs? You mean zero contract hours? Yes, very stable. Remind me what the unemployment rate is in the EU?

I have repeatedly addressed this point with you but you fail to provide an answer. I say it again, austerity breeds fascism and crime. Stop blaming Brexit for everything. Austerity is to blame, and it started in 2008 and we are still reeling and feeling the effects today.

My question to you was, what are your alternatives/fixes to the current capitalist models which has lead to austerity?


If an EU migrant doesn't get a job or married or a place to study they can be deported. But our government chose not to do this.

Can you cite me some statistics on EU migrated deported to their home EU nation within mainland EU? Say Germany deporting EU migrants?

Don't you get it mate? David Cameron pleaded with the EU before the referendum for changes on immigration, he came back with horse pukky. The best he got was an extension on the qualification period before an EU migrant can claim UK state benefits. If what you say is true, then why on earth did the government not implement this control well before the referendum to appease these so called racist leavers?



I support free movement within certain limits. I can go and work or study or retire anywhere I chose in the EU28. This is a wonderful freedom for me.

There it is, your racist immigration view. You support free movement as long as the majority are white Anglo Saxon. That's how I see it, and this is how most leavers see it. If you were a true liberal, you would want a uniform immigration policy for all citizens around the world.

You want freedom within your culture. This is evident from the above, but if there is any racist view, then it is this unjust immigration policy you support and discriminate based on one's race.

Windrush had nothing to do with the EU, it was a pernicious and unjust racist policy by our own government.

No it does not, my point was that the Windrush generation are subjected to different immigration laws than EU citizens, and you are happy with this discriminating policy as long you can work, and study, anywhere you choose in the EU28.

Only the racists. As Sir Vince said, all racists voted Leave.

There it is again, anyone complaining about immigration is a racist.

Well, all undemocratic, racists, and treacherous, are voting LD.

The problem with this country right now is the left. This is clear as daylight.
 
General Election time. December 12th.

Winner takes all.
 
There you go again, the far right have hijacked the flag. This is completely false. It is the left who have created a toxic society with their PC gone mad liberal nonsense.

You may not recall the National Front marching under the Union Flag. I do.

I don't know what you mean by "PC gone mad" - to me it's about trying to eliminate discrimination so that people who look like you have equal chances in the workplace and justice system to people who look like me.

So what if they want to reply and relive the jubilant moments of the 1996 WC? What's wrong with this? Who are you to question them or label them as the far right? Why? Because of their pride and nationalism? The only people who have a problem with the Union Jack are the left who simply cannot let go of the stigma attached with British imperialism. It's history, move on.

Because they are stuck in a false vision of the past, where we won two world wars by ourselves (when in fact the Empire sent millions of troops), Britain ruled 1/4 of the globe (but didn't operate concentration camps), ands the Potato Famine was the fault of the Irish for beling reliant on one crop (instead of the fault of English landowners for fixing the prices). I could go on, and on, and on.

One one hand your rail against the perfidy of Empire and neocolonialism, and on the other you defend those Britons who believe the lies.


This does not change the fact that racism has always existed in this country, certainly more so post 1947 due to the influx of common wealth immigrants. This peak in racism you speak of is not a touch on the levels of racism in the yesteryears. The trend is up, and Brexit or no Brexit, this trend will continue to rise.

Racism is down and racism is up? So racism going up at the momnent is OK because 1947 was worse?

Jobs? You mean zero contract hours? Yes, very stable. Remind me what the unemployment rate is in the EU?

I have repeatedly addressed this point with you but you fail to provide an answer. I say it again, austerity breeds fascism and crime. Stop blaming Brexit for everything. Austerity is to blame, and it started in 2008 and we are still reeling and feeling the effects today.

Which part of the EU? It varies by nation.

Austerity also breeds racism - which immediately spiked after the Referendum as the racists felt empowered, telling BAMEs and Poles to "go home", and now we have a Prime Minister dogwhistling to the racists for votes..

My question to you was, what are your alternatives/fixes to the current capitalist models which has lead to austerity?

More government control over the banks. Norway was not hit as hard as most of the other Western states because they did not import American toxic debt.

Can you cite me some statistics on EU migrated deported to their home EU nation within mainland EU? Say Germany deporting EU migrants?

Not off the top of my head. I believe that the Home Office deported more EU nationals after the Referendum, according to FT.com.

Don't you get it mate? David Cameron pleaded with the EU before the referendum for changes on immigration, he came back with horse pukky. The best he got was an extension on the qualification period before an EU migrant can claim UK state benefits. If what you say is true, then why on earth did the government not implement this control well before the referendum to appease these so called racist leavers?

I would imagine due to lack of staff thanks to budget cuts. As I said above, this increased after the Referendum. Cameron only cared about winning an argument within the Tory party.


There it is, your racist immigration view. You support free movement as long as the majority are white Anglo Saxon. That's how I see it, and this is how most leavers see it. If you were a true liberal, you would want a uniform immigration policy for all citizens around the world.

You want freedom within your culture. This is evident from the above, but if there is any racist view, then it is this unjust immigration policy you support and discriminate based on one's race.

Please be careful whom you accuse of racism. Remember what my wife and stepkids look like. Remember I told you that my father faced the "No Irish" signs when looking for housing and work.

Anglo-Saxons, if such a tribe still exists, are mainly in England. The Angles were an English tribe and the Saxons were Germanic invaders after the Roman Empire fell. Historically, Europe is also made up of Celts, Iberians, Scandinavians, Slavs and Semites, all the African and Arab migrants down the ages, and the million Caribbeans who answered the call to these islands in the 1950s. Germany took in two million Middle Eastern refugees. All are Europeans now. All are welcome.

Liberals have to be pragmatic as well as idealistic. We need to be in a big bloc in future, to protect our economy from exploitation by superpowers like the US and China.

No it does not, my point was that the Windrush generation are subjected to different immigration laws than EU citizens, and you are happy with this discriminating policy as long you can work, and study, anywhere you choose in the EU28.

Again, please be careful whom you accuse of racism. My father-in-law is a Windrusher. Members of my extended family are at risk of deportation to lands they barely remember. I stated in my previous post that the Home Office policy is racist and discriminatory.

There it is again, anyone complaining about immigration is a racist.

Well, all undemocratic, racists, and treacherous, are voting LD.

The problem with this country right now is the left. This is clear as daylight.

Once again - not all Leavers are racist, but all racists are Leavers.

Please don't use words like treason that divide us. I could equally argue that wanting to hold on to British jobs and prosperity and security and maintaining our influence in the world is patriotism.
 
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This is massive and what every reporter's leading question should be with a Government Minister.

They are selling us down the river.

Whilst everyone focusses on Brexit possibilities, major issues such as per quote are just ignored.

Tories absolutely cannot be trusted with anything remotely to do with health / NHS.
 
You may not recall the National Front marching under the Union Flag. I do.

Yes I do. I also remember C18. Now just because the NF/C18 march under the flag, others cannot without fear of being accused of racism? Have you seen how many right-wing movements in the USA march under the US flag?

I don't know what you mean by "PC gone mad" - to me it's about trying to eliminate discrimination so that people who look like you have equal chances in the workplace and justice system to people who look like me.

You are not eliminating discrimination OR promoting equal chances in workplaces if you are happy with free movement from one continent, and not the others. This is discrimination now matter how you cut it.

Because they are stuck in a false vision of the past, where we won two world wars by ourselves (when in fact the Empire sent millions of troops), Britain ruled 1/4 of the globe (but didn't operate concentration camps), ands the Potato Famine was the fault of the Irish for beling reliant on one crop (instead of the fault of English landowners for fixing the prices). I could go on, and on, and on.

Please do, but don’t feel guilty about it, since you were not responsible.

One one hand your rail against the perfidy of Empire and neocolonialism, and on the other you defend those Britons who believe the lies.

There you go again, who are you to tell me I fell for lies? Say who? The Liberals who want to overturn Brexit? What happened to project fear?

Racism is down and racism is up? So racism going up at the momnent is OK because 1947 was worse?

I am afraid you are twisting my words. I never said racism is ok, I said there is a difference between a spike and a trend, and the trend has been up since 1947. So stop blaming Brexit for racism in this country.

Which part of the EU? It varies by nation.

Hahaha. Which part? ALL OF IT. Tell me the economic situation of the EU and EZ. That’s what I was referring to.

Austerity also breeds racism - which immediately spiked after the Referendum as the racists felt empowered, telling BAMEs and Poles to "go home", and now we have a Prime Minister dogwhistling to the racists for votes..

Until people realize that Brexit is symptom and not a cause, the sooner people will realize what is wrong in this country, the broken model of capitalism.


More government control over the banks. Norway was not hit as hard as most of the other Western states because they did not import American toxic debt.

Well I got news for you, the UK cannot set its own corporation or VAT tax. This is not control, this is being subservient to the EU.

Norway is NOT a member of the EU.


Not off the top of my head. I believe that the Home Office deported more EU nationals after the Referendum, according to FT.com.
Well in which case I cannot accept your premise. You see, even if your claim is true, it seems to me governments do not implement this clause.


I would imagine due to lack of staff thanks to budget cuts. As I said above, this increased after the Referendum. Cameron only cared about winning an argument within the Tory party.

Keep imaging bro. The fact is if deportation of EU citizens was an option, or some form of control, it would have been implemented. Cameron only cared about winning? Wow! Which politician/PM doesn't? You would not have said this had Remain won.

Anyway, Jo Swinson and her party only care about overturning a democratic result which has not been implemented yet.



Please be careful whom you accuse of racism. Remember what my wife and stepkids look like. Remember I told you that my father faced the "No Irish" signs when looking for housing and work.

Robert, you and your party label anyone who questions immigration, a racist. Your words above not mine. I do question the immigration policy of this country, and according to you and your party, I am a racist. Do you see how detrimental the left are to society by creating this toxic culture where if no one agrees, that person is a racist?

I merely pointed out the discrimination you, albeit, subconsciously support, is in fact a discriminative immigration policy based on race. But it is not the right who shout racist, it is indeed the left.

Anglo-Saxons, if such a tribe still exists, are mainly in England. The Angles were an English tribe and the Saxons were Germanic invaders after the Roman Empire fell. Historically, Europe is also made up of Celts, Iberians, Scandinavians, Slavs and Semites, all the African and Arab migrants down the ages, and the million Caribbeans who answered the call to these islands in the 1950s. Germany took in two million Middle Eastern refugees. All are Europeans now. All are welcome.

Yes I get it, you only support Europeans.

Liberals have to be pragmatic as well as idealistic. We need to be in a big bloc in future, to protect our economy from exploitation by superpowers like the US and China.

Just say what others have been saying all along, the UK does not have the infrastructure to support unfettered immigration. No one will label you a racist, other than the left, I promise you.


Again, please be careful whom you accuse of racism. My father-in-law is a Windrusher. Members of my extended family are at risk of deportation to lands they barely remember. I stated in my previous post that the Home Office policy is racist and discriminatory.

Please see my response above. I know you are not racist; in the same way you know I am not racist. Risk of deportation, see, this is what I was referring to, now ask yourself, why was your father in law was at the risk of deportation after 50+ years in this country, but an EU citizen cannot be deported? I will give you a clue, a racist immigration policy, which you support.


Once again - not all Leavers are racist, but all racists are Leavers.

Please don't use words like treason that divide us. I could equally argue that wanting to hold on to British jobs and prosperity and security and maintaining our influence in the world is patriotism.

Once again, the more you use that sound bite, the more it will come back to bite you. I simply reverses the sound bite and you are asking me not to create division not realizing you are creating division too with your soubd bites.

You could argue that this is patriotism, but you would not, because you would feel it is racist to be patriotic, and this is the effect of a PC world gone mad. The effect of the left. Scared of what society will think of you if you support your nation.

Look, if there was a referendum to Join the EU now, no one would given the state the EU is in, so why stay?

If you do not want to see words which create division, then please stop calling people racist on the basis they voted to leave, or on the basis they are concerned about their country.
 
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] I want to stress I am not calling you a racist [I know you are not one] but I am trying to highlight the hypocrisies of the Liberal Party, Remainers, and instead of the left hurling social labels towards the right, because they won, sit down and actually listen to their issues, concerns, and provide ideas to correct the cause of this mess. :19:
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shameful findings for a party preaching equality, fairness, respect and tolerance <a href="https://t.co/A55bVXNuN3">https://t.co/A55bVXNuN3</a></p>— Kevin Maguire (@Kevin_Maguire) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1321761522914336768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Oh dear.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Labour Party suspends former leader Jeremy Corbyn following his response to report into anti-Semitism within the party <a href="https://t.co/d6YEFFS1gr">https://t.co/d6YEFFS1gr</a></p>— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1321803761413664768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Oh dear.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Labour Party suspends former leader Jeremy Corbyn following his response to report into anti-Semitism within the party <a href="https://t.co/d6YEFFS1gr">https://t.co/d6YEFFS1gr</a></p>— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1321803761413664768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t think he will be expelled after investigation. He will become a marginal backbench figure again. It depends if he can keep his mouth shut in future - but he has been a loose cannon since first elected to Parliament in 1983 and maybe cannot change in his old age.
 
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