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I believe 'Asymptomatic Patients' were in Millions. Good thing is they have recovered. Let's hope their immunity lasts for few months at least.

A group is conducting Antibody Tests Randomly among healthcare workers +/- their families. They are doing it for many cities, conducting 1000+ in one city. They told me more than 35% have Antibodies.

btw [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] share your observations.

That's a lot and gives further credence to the fact that it's far more widespread than we realize.

Although this study depends on the antibody tests used, most of them have a huge amount of false positives, unlike the PCR test where it's basically ridiculously unlikely that a test is false positive.
 
We have our problems but it's not Pakistan's fault that Obesity prevalence in USA is 40%+ vs less than 20% in Pakistan. This Difference is more marked among young population. Or you want to blame us for not being obese enough :)))

A disease may behave differently in different regions.

Hepatitis-C has 6 Genotypes with further subtypes. Most aggressive, most lethal and most difficult to treat are Genotypes 1 and 4. OTOH Types 2 and 3 are less aggressive, less lethal and comparatively easy to treat.

Do you know geographical distribution of these types? Genotype 1 and 4 are predominant types in Europe and USA. 2 & 3 are predominant in Pakistan ( According to consensus data Type 2 and 3 constitutes 95% of all Hepatitis-C in Pakistan).

If Covid Mortality is lower in Pakistan as compared to UK/USA, it doesn't mean we are being ignorant and under-reporting cases + deaths.

Covid may have different strains in different countries. And I have said it few times in this thread that virus mutates to more virulent strains in micro-environment of Obesity.
Whilst I bow to your greater knowledge on medical matters, however I would like to quote back to you your own earlier post.

I believe 'Asymptomatic Patients' were in Millions. Good thing is they have recovered. Let's hope their immunity lasts for few months at least.

A group is conducting Antibody Tests Randomly among healthcare workers +/- their families. They are doing it for many cities, conducting 1000+ in one city. They told me more than 35% have Antibodies.

btw [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] share your observations.
Additionally,

Originally Posted by Firebat View Post
The first BBC report earlier this month used data from government-run graveyards to find an exponential rise in the number of deaths during June 2020 as compared to June 2019. Only a fraction of the additional deaths were officially credited to Covid-19..

In summary, I accept that the mortality rate is low for the reasons you mention, along with the fact that Pakistan's populations median age is very low, neverthless it does not explain Pakistans vastly lower positive cases unless there are far fewer tests being conducted (maybe due to the overwhelming percentage being asymptomatic or very mild symptons for the reasons outlined).

Additionally, I understand that as yet there has been no indications that ethnicity affects /plays a part in the covid-19 infection rates.

Lastly, as an aside, the top dozen or towns and cities in the UK currently at risk of having the lockdowns reimposed due to increasing covid-19 positives have one thing in common. Large percentages of the populations are of sub-continent origins.
 
We have our problems but it's not Pakistan's fault that Obesity prevalence in USA is 40%+ vs less than 20% in Pakistan. This Difference is more marked among young population. Or you want to blame us for not being obese enough :)))

A disease may behave differently in different regions.

Hepatitis-C has 6 Genotypes with further subtypes. Most aggressive, most lethal and most difficult to treat are Genotypes 1 and 4. OTOH Types 2 and 3 are less aggressive, less lethal and comparatively easy to treat.

Do you know geographical distribution of these types? Genotype 1 and 4 are predominant types in Europe and USA. 2 & 3 are predominant in Pakistan ( According to consensus data Type 2 and 3 constitutes 95% of all Hepatitis-C in Pakistan).

If Covid Mortality is lower in Pakistan as compared to UK/USA, it doesn't mean we are being ignorant and under-reporting cases + deaths.

Covid may have different strains in different countries. And I have said it few times in this thread that virus mutates to more virulent strains in micro-environment of Obesity.

Can you expand on the virus mutating in obese people? Doesn't make sense.
 
High number of Asymptomatics is a good thing sir.
No it's not. Surprised as a medic you will say that. :facepalm:

Being asymptomatic doesn't prevent you from infecting others, especially the elderly and those with other health conditions. eg parents and grandparents in the same household.

Millions being asymptomatic doesn't take away from the fact that they will show up as positive if they were tested.

Hence my earlier assertion that the official govt figures stating how many are covid-19 positives in the country are completely meaningless. The relatively low figures of covd-19 positives are simply a reflection of the very low testing rates.
 
No it's not. Surprised as a medic you will say that. :facepalm:

Being asymptomatic doesn't prevent you from infecting others, especially the elderly and those with other health conditions. eg parents and grandparents in the same household.

Millions being asymptomatic doesn't take away from the fact that they will show up as positive if they were tested.

Hence my earlier assertion that the official govt figures stating how many are covid-19 positives in the country are completely meaningless. The relatively low figures of covd-19 positives are simply a reflection of the very low testing rates.
I am of course saying this in the context of your earlier post, ie
Originally Posted by last_knight View Post
I believe 'Asymptomatic Patients' were in Millions. Good thing is they have recovered. Let's hope their immunity lasts for few months at least.
Of course being positive but asymptomatic is better than being positive and having severe symptoms. The only (very minute) upside of being positive and having symptoms as opposed to being asymptomatic is that at least you know who is infectious and he/she as well as everyone else can take appropriate precautions and be isolated so that they dont infect others.
 
You don't know what you are talking about but just trying to act like an expert. Yes all the world's health professionals and data analysts are wrong but this one guy on PP knows the full truth. You did it man. You busted all these fake statistics. Somebody nominate Yossarian here for a Nobel.


People living in rural areas aren't some inferior species. They have a working brain as well. If they see a family member struggling to breath and taking their last breaths they won't be like 'oh well his time was up anyway'.

People in rural areas are aware of the concept of hospital. Please don't talk about things you don't know about.
I am again quoting death rate means mortality has been low here. Nobody keeps a serious patient at home. We have been doing an awsome job.
 
Yeah we should not trust the opinion of [MENTION=128087]last_knight[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who are actually first hand dealing with covid patients and instead believe your baqwas.
Cases has gone down, we have 24 active patients in ward institute of 120 ome month back. Anyone who do not agree can come to’ KTH.
 
Balochistan reports 23 Covid-19 cases

Balochistan has reported 23 coronavirus cases during the past 24 hours, according to the provincial health department's daily situation report.

With the new cases, the provincial tally has risen to 11,601. However, no new deaths have been reported since July 22 and the death toll remains 136.
 
For the last time, there has been a huge decrease in mortality rate as well as the rise of serious cases. If someone is dying of COVID but has not been tested and his/her family members lock him/her in the house then obviously it will not be part of the official data, but on a larger scale, people are not going to let their family members die without taking them to the hospital.

July has been the best month by far since the pandemic broke out, and in spite of the fact that there could be another spike during Eid, we believe that by October-November, life will return to normal on a macro-level.

Once again - and I will put it in bold:

people need to understand that this is not about underreporting COVID cases or reducing number of tests. This is about the fact that there has been a very significant drop in mortality rate and the inflow of critical patients.

Anyone who is apprehensive is more than welcome to visit LRH, KTH and HMC and observe the situation in COVID isolation wards.

Also as [MENTION=128087]last_knight[/MENTION] stated, asymptomatic figures are quite high in the country and thus, we need to be thankful that it didn’t hit as badly as some other countries. Now there are several theories as to why that is the case, but the bottom-line is that we will probably never really know why. Some of the theories state that the strain of the virus was relatively weak or was weakened over time, it has been linked to obesity, level of immunity and also to demographics (young population etc.)
 
In layman terms and using very simple numbers, let me explain the situation.

In March/April/May/June: we were getting 50 critical patients per day.

In July: we saw a significant drop and are now getting about 5 critical patients per day.

As a result, the mortality rate has also dropped significantly.

Also bear in mind that most often, the family members of these patients are usually unaware of the fact that their family member is COVID positive; they simply rush to the hospital because they high fever and breathing problems etc., and then later they find out about COVID.

So now there are two possibilities:

(a) the spread of the virus has halted significantly and we can say that the chain has been broken to a significant extent

OR

(b) people have somehow decided to not take their family members to the hospital and let them die in their homes. Now if that is the case then you cannot break into people’s homes and test them or break into funerals and run away with the dead body and check if they had COVID, so the logical and reasonable conclusion is (a).

Now if people do not want to trust Pakistani doctors and health experts then it is obviously their choice.
 
It’s good to see things have improved and inshallah will remain that way and get even better in the coming days and weeks.

However you cannot attribute most of the credit to the government doing well.
 
You would hope this has been achieved.

So now there are two possibilities:

(a) the spread of the virus has halted significantly and we can say that the chain has been broken to a significant extent

In your opinion, if it isn't too painful :smith to go into, how did the government manage to achieve this. Did they even have a role or some natural processes led to it.
 
You would hope this has been achieved.



In your opinion, if it isn't too painful :smith to go into, how did the government manage to achieve this. Did they even have a role or some natural processes led to it.

Two factors:

(1) Pakistani doctors have done a remarkable job.

(2) Pakistan got lucky because the public showed greater resistance.

The government did not show the level of leadership that it should have. It played a passive, observer role and showed a lot of confusion in terms of decision-making.
 
The government did not show the level of leadership that it should have. It played a passive, observer role and showed a lot of confusion in terms of decision-making.

Think it would be hard to outdo our Centre though who went about their decision-making like this:

The Economist magazine (June 13) estimated that India issued “well over 4,000 different rules” during the first two months of the lockdown, many of those rules being corrections of many of those rules.

SOURCE
 
Two factors:

(1) Pakistani doctors have done a remarkable job.

(2) Pakistan got lucky because the public showed greater resistance.

The government did not show the level of leadership that it should have. It played a passive, observer role and showed a lot of confusion in terms of decision-making.

(3) If someone from Govt deserves an applause it MAINLY is for role of Tania Aidrus and "DigitalPakistan". I wasn't expecting IT to be used effectively and professionally in Pakistan but they have done a good job wrt Covid.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Health, Dr Zafar Mirza revealed that Pakistan reported its lowest number of COVID-19 deaths in the past three months on Sunday, when only 20 people died due to the infection.

Taking to Twitter on Monday, the prime minister's adviser disclosed that the current statistics indicated an 87% drop in COVID-19 deaths.

"Today, Alhamdolilah, we have the lowest number of deaths in Pakistan due to COVID-19 in last 3 months. We had a peak of 153 deaths on 20 June and in last 24 hours we had 20. This is 87% reduction in COVID-19 related deaths. Yet no place for any complacency!" he tweeted.

Critics have said that a drop in coronavirus cases in Pakistan has been observed to the government testing less number of people. However, PM Imran's focal person on COVID-19, Dr Faisal Sultan rejected the claims in a press conference on Sunday.

Read more: Reduced testing 'not a conspiracy', says govt's focal person on COVID-19

Dr Sultan had said that a lower testing rate is being witnessed due to a "reduction in symptoms being witnessed in people".

"When the spread was more rapid, we carried out a greater number of tests," he had stated.

Dr Sultan had said that during mid-June, there was an average of more than 32,000 tests conducted daily. In the last 24 hours, 23,000 tests were carried out, he said.

When asked what the current testing capacity for the country is, he had said that Pakistan is currently capable of carrying out testing in excess of 50,000 tests a day which can further be ramped up to 75,000 if need be.

He said there is no "grand master" who can move the number of tests up or down.

"There are 102 labs operating all across the country," he had said, adding that they are carrying out testing more under the contact tracing mechanism now.

Dr Faisal had said that the demand is "based on symptoms or perceived need" and that "health-seeking behaviour can obviously affect testing numbers".

https://www.geo.tv/latest/299951-pakistan-reports-lowest-number-of-covid-19-deaths-in-3-months
 
Taking no credits from Pakistani awaam and government and mostly doctors who worked day and night for us but is it possible that China gave may be their vaccine to Pakistan why this question arised in mind
1. Sudden drop in cases and that too rapidly
2. New cases suddenly are very low
3. Pakistan is good friend of China they supported them in every situation and everyone agrees china made virus and they have vaccine so this is possible that they can give vaccine to Pakistan
 
Taking no credits from Pakistani awaam and government and mostly doctors who worked day and night for us but is it possible that China gave may be their vaccine to Pakistan why this question arised in mind
1. Sudden drop in cases and that too rapidly
2. New cases suddenly are very low
3. Pakistan is good friend of China they supported them in every situation and everyone agrees china made virus and they have vaccine so this is possible that they can give vaccine to Pakistan

I thought a vaccine isn't out yet, at least officially, even in China. That being said, who knows what really goes on in China. This friendship will cost Pakistan one day. Also, if a vaccine was available, even in just China and Pakistan, it would probably be more widely known to exist.
 
Taking no credits from Pakistani awaam and government and mostly doctors who worked day and night for us but is it possible that China gave may be their vaccine to Pakistan why this question arised in mind
1. Sudden drop in cases and that too rapidly
2. New cases suddenly are very low
3. Pakistan is good friend of China they supported them in every situation and everyone agrees china made virus and they have vaccine so this is possible that they can give vaccine to Pakistan

No, because herd immunity via a vaccine doesnt happen in a few weeks time. it takes longer. Pakistan has done well here due to the actions of the govt and the people.
 
Two factors:

(1) Pakistani doctors have done a remarkable job.

(2) Pakistan got lucky because the public showed greater resistance.

The government did not show the level of leadership that it should have. It played a passive, observer role and showed a lot of confusion in terms of decision-making.

So when the govt does something good its a fluke like the pakistan cricket team otherwise they are useless. Thanks for your incredible insight.
 
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So when the govt does something good its a fluke like the pakistan cricket team otherwise they are useless. Thanks for your incredible insight. I suggest you worry about your own country's covid rate.

When was the last time you visited Pakistan? You live in the UK and your patriotism and concern for Pakistan is limited to the Internet.

You have no exposure to what is happening on the ground level and fall victim to social media propaganda and second hand fabricated information.

The government has played a passive role in controlling the pandemic. Pakistan have dealt with the situation admirably not because of government policies but because of the factors that I previously mentioned.
 
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When was the last time you visited Pakistan? You live in the UK and your patriotism and concern for Pakistan is limited to the Internet.

You have no exposure to what is happening on the ground level and fall victim to social media propaganda and second hand fabricated information.

The government has played a passive role in controlling the pandemic. Pakistan have dealt with the situation admirably not because of government policies but because of the factors that I previously mentioned.

I totally agree with you, Pakistani doctors enforced a smart lockdown, devised SOPs and ofcourse arranged the PPE equipment. Ofcourse, the UK and USA doctors were incompetent in doing this!
 
I totally agree with you, Pakistani doctors enforced a smart lockdown, devised SOPs and ofcourse arranged the PPE equipment. Ofcourse, the UK and USA doctors were incompetent in doing this!

Not only that Pakistani doctors are moonlighting as PPE factory workers and have made Pakistan a PPE exporting country when it was previously importing everything. After achieving this feat the doctors then attained online degrees in engineering and developed ventilators all since the pandemic stepped foot in Pakistan in Feb. Please say Mashallah before nazar hits :kakmal
 
I totally agree with you, Pakistani doctors enforced a smart lockdown, devised SOPs and ofcourse arranged the PPE equipment. Ofcourse, the UK and USA doctors were incompetent in doing this!

The government couldn’t even decide the name of the lockdown let alone implement it. First it was called smart, then selective and then they flipped back to smart. Besides, there was nothing “smart” about it - it was actually a “dumb” lockdown, because the restrictions were lifted at the worst possible time (last week of Ramzan) and it allowed the virus to spread like wildfire.

Devising SOPs is easy but implementing them is the real challenge and that is where this joker government fell short. There was no effective mechanism in place to ensure that the majority of the public follow the SOPs.

People would openly walk around without wearing masks and bumping into each other and the police would be watching and not take any action. There was no leadership and no presence of the government at the ground level. Shops had/have “no mask no entry” signs on the windows but people would walk in without masks and even the workers would rarely wear one.

Even during these times, Imran Khan was busy in self-promotion and ended up gathering a bunch of bored folks and called them Tiger Force. They were made to wear white t-shirts because we had forgotten that Imran captained us to the 1992 World Cup glory and wore a white t-shirt with a tiger on it.

I haven’t seen a single tiger in action. Not only are they experts in tackling a pandemic, they are also going to fight locusts and battle climate change. These one in all white knights will soon be fighting India for Kashmir.

If we have such talented Bruce Waynes among our public who are happy to fight pandemic, climate change and swarms of flying insects for free, what is the point in having politicians and bureaucrats? Perhaps we should expand the Tiger Force and deploy them in various departments. The government will end up saving billions of rupees in salaries.
 
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The government couldn’t even decide the name of the lockdown let alone implement it. First it was called smart, then selective and then they flipped back to smart. Besides, there was nothing “smart” about it - it was actually a “dumb” lockdown, because the restrictions were lifted at the worst possible time (last week of Ramzan) and it allowed the virus to spread like wildfire.

Devising SOPs is easy but implementing them is the real challenge and that is where this joker government fell short. There was no effective mechanism in place to ensure that the majority of the public follow the SOPs.

People would openly walk around without wearing masks and bumping into each other and the police would be watching and not take any action. There was no leadership and no presence of the government at the ground level. Shops had/have “no mask no entry” signs on the windows but people would walk in without masks and even the workers would rarely wear one.

Even during these times, Imran Khan was busy in self-promotion and ended up gathering a bunch of bored folks and called them Tiger Force. They were made to wear white t-shirts because we had forgotten that Imran captained us to the 1992 World Cup glory and wore a white t-shirt with a tiger on it.

I haven’t seen a single tiger in action. Not only are they experts in tackling a pandemic, they are also going to fight locusts and battle climate change. These one in all white knights will soon be fighting India for Kashmir.

If we have such talented Bruce Waynes among our public who are happy to fight pandemic, climate change and swarms of flying insects for free, what is the point in having politicians and bureaucrats? Perhaps we should expand the Tiger Force and deploy them in various departments. The government will end up saving billions of rupees in salaries.

You seem so bitter that more havent died and that IKs ideas have been taken by others. As Sindh is run by the competent people of the PPP and under the 18th, Billo has had a free hand, maybe you can tell us if they have done better.
 
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When was the last time you visited Pakistan? You live in the UK and your patriotism and concern for Pakistan is limited to the Internet.

You have no exposure to what is happening on the ground level and fall victim to social media propaganda and second hand fabricated information.

The government has played a passive role in controlling the pandemic. Pakistan have dealt with the situation admirably not because of government policies but because of the factors that I previously mentioned.

What a pathetic statement, if it goes wrong its IKs fault but if things go well, he had nothing to do with it. I bet you cry that more havent died!
 
What a pathetic statement, if it goes wrong its IKs fault but if things go well, he had nothing to do with it. I bet you cry that more havent died!

That is the modus operandi of cult-followers. When things were really bad in Pakistan, it was the fault of the public who weren’t listening to the government.

Now that the situation has improved, you are giving credit to the government and not the people.

The government’s policies and decision-making has been chaotic and confusing throughout the pandemic. We did not see any strong leadership.

And keep your cheap allegations to yourself. Unlike you, I have real services to the country regardless of my personal views.

Sitting in the UK and showcasing patriotism over the Internet is the easiest thing to do, but it is worth nothing.

If you really care about Pakistan, and considering you have experience and expertise in the field of academia, why don’t you pack your bags in the UK and volunteer to return to Pakistan and help the education system?

What is stopping you now? We apparently have an honest and committed leader of your choice who has ushered the era of tabdeeli. So why won’t you play your part now?

Again, talk is cheap. Really cheap.
 
That is the modus operandi of cult-followers. When things were really bad in Pakistan, it was the fault of the public who weren’t listening to the government.

Now that the situation has improved, you are giving credit to the government and not the people.

The government’s policies and decision-making has been chaotic and confusing throughout the pandemic. We did not see any strong leadership.

And keep your cheap allegations to yourself. Unlike you, I have real services to the country regardless of my personal views.

Sitting in the UK and showcasing patriotism over the Internet is the easiest thing to do, but it is worth nothing.

If you really care about Pakistan, and considering you have experience and expertise in the field of academia, why don’t you pack your bags in the UK and volunteer to return to Pakistan and help the education system?

What is stopping you now? We apparently have an honest and committed leader of your choice who has ushered the era of tabdeeli. So why won’t you play your part now?

Again, talk is cheap. Really cheap.

And the modus operandi of the losers is to pray for deaths in every waking moment and then get humiliated. IK has educated the public, which as a leader was his job and he has done that. The public needs to listen and look after their health. Name a govt, who haven't been accused of chaotic handling. Every big country is working in a fluid situation and they will make mistakes. And apparently you are some genius that would have done so well that the Worid would be following your lead. Lol
As far as my patriotism goes, it will be more than some loser that is the beneficiary of daddy using the FBR as a piggy bank. My father was just a poor factory worker and had to move to feed his family. And it is my part of $24bn each year that still helps to keep the country afloat. Otherwise the Rps would be closer to 350, not 160. We support our honest leader, not back some thugs that killed 14 people in Broad daylight or had a Hitman kill 198 people in Karachi.
 
When was the last time you visited Pakistan? You live in the UK and your patriotism and concern for Pakistan is limited to the Internet.

You have no exposure to what is happening on the ground level and fall victim to social media propaganda and second hand fabricated information.

The government has played a passive role in controlling the pandemic. Pakistan have dealt with the situation admirably not because of government policies but because of the factors that I previously mentioned.

I was there in October last year. And I visit regularly. The last resort of the coward is to question another pakistanis patriotism.

Firstly I have first hand accounts of what is going on in Pakistan as my mother is a resident. Secondly I have friends and relatives there who provide me with plenty of information. i also know professionals in the medical field who have given me information.

But what do i know. You seem to be the font of all knowledge and know everything. If they have managed to get a handle on it its a fluke. if they had lost millions as many of my PMLN friends were saying at one point, you would have been shouting to get IK charged for treason.

Unfortunatley unlike you , who's life experience is quite limited I must say to a couple of decades, half of which you spent playing with your toys, I have sat with directors, senior managment people and understand the value in appointing the right people, coming up with a strategy and holding people accountable. Its called leadership, but your not even married yet so what do you actually know about life other than moaning and complaining about IK? Now move along as Modi might be putting you into another lockdown.
 
And the modus operandi of the losers is to pray for deaths in every waking moment and then get humiliated. IK has educated the public, which as a leader was his job and he has done that. The public needs to listen and look after their health. Name a govt, who haven't been accused of chaotic handling. Every big country is working in a fluid situation and they will make mistakes. And apparently you are some genius that would have done so well that the Worid would be following your lead. Lol
As far as my patriotism goes, it will be more than some loser that is the beneficiary of daddy using the FBR as a piggy bank. My father was just a poor factory worker and had to move to feed his family. And it is my part of $24bn each year that still helps to keep the country afloat. Otherwise the Rps would be closer to 350, not 160. We support our honest leader, not back some thugs that killed 14 people in Broad daylight or had a Hitman kill 198 people in Karachi.

and this epitomises the difference between the corrupt elite who have benefited off the blood of the poor and working class and those that struggled for every inch before having to leave to survive. What do these elites care? they can lockdown for as long as they want knowing the FBR will provide them a nice level of funding. My father was tilling a field at 12 years old because my grandad retired and only got a lump sum payment. No pension. And these whippersnappers question us? How dare they.

The fact is they are the reason Pakistan is in this mess. I hope IK starts some etisaab in FBR and looks at past dealings too Inshallah. Aik aik ka hisaab hona chahyay.
 
Traders announce plans to resist nine-day lockdown in Punjab

RAWALPINDI: The announcement by the Punjab government to close all markets in the province from Tuesday till August 5 to check the spread of Covid-19 during the Eidul Azha holidays triggered anger among traders.

As the announcement was made and a notification issued to enforce a lockdown for nine days, a large number of shoppers thronged markets causing gridlocks at the main crossings of Murree Road and in Raja Bazaar.

The traders rejected the government’s move and announced that they would not pull their shutters down come what may.

Sharjeel Mir, a traders’ leader, in a video message said when the government started the lockdown to combat the coronavirus the traders launched an awareness campaign and supported the safety measures to contain the spread of the virus.

He acknowledged that the government had earlier accepted a traders’ demand and started the smart lockdown.

“But this time, we can’t afford more lockdowns when the Covid-19 cases are decreasing.”

He said traders had already suffered huge losses due to the closure of businesses and cannot afford another lockdown.

“If the government insisted on the nine-day lockdown, the traders will strongly resist it.”

Rawalpindi Chamber of Commerce and Industry (RCCI) President Saboor Malik said traders had faced a huge financial crisis amid the lockdown.

Addressing a press conference at the RCCI office, he said the government’s decision to close markets from July 28 to August 5 would plunge traders into more financial difficulties.

RCCI senior vice president Nowherwan Khalil Khan, vice president Mohammad Hamza Sarosh, Shahid Ghafoor Paracha, Sharjeel Mir, Sheikh Hafeez, Arshad Awan, Sheikh Sadique, Taj Abbasi and Tahir Taj Abbasi were also present.

“We cooperated with the government to cope with the pandemic when the first lockdown was announced but it would not be easy for the traders to go for a nine-day lockdown on the eve of Eidul Azha,” he said, urging the government to review its decision.

Sohail Altaf said different unions were supporting the traders’ stance as the government was not cooperating with traders to resolve their problems.

“Out motive is to overcome unemployment and we should be allowed to continue our businesses till Eid,” he said.

Islamabad
The capital administration closed all public places to prevent the spread of Covid-19 during Eidul Azha.

Officials said Margalla Hills, parks, picnic points and hotels were locked down on the order of Deputy Commissioner Mohammad Hamza Shafqaat.

These places will remain closed till the end of the Eid holidays. Besides, Murree Expressway will be closed on Monday till the end of the holidays.

Meanwhile, the business community of Islamabad rejected the smart lockdown in the capital and closure of markets in Punjab and announced to resist it.

All Pakistan Anjuman-i-Tajiran and Traders Action Committee Islamabad President Ajmal Baloch along with the Punjab president of the traders’ body Malik Shahid Ghafoor Paracha reacted sharply to the lockdown announcement.

Addressing a press conference at the National Press Club along with Khalid Chaudhry, Taj Abbasi and Sajid Butt, they termed the decision of the Punjab government unjustified.

“If it is done, the business community will put up full resistance and the responsibility for the situation will be on Chief Minister Usman Buzdar,” said Mr Baloch.

He said Federal Minister for Information Shibli Faraz had recently announced that there would be no more lockdowns. Mr Baloch also referred to the statement of Prime Minister Imran Khan supporting smart lockdowns.

“But this decision of the nine-day lockdown is unjustified,” Mr Baloch said.

The traders said the decision would lead to collapse of the local economy and badly affect small traders.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1571505/traders-announce-plans-to-resist-nine-day-lockdown-in-punjab
 
(3) If someone from Govt deserves an applause it MAINLY is for role of Tania Aidrus and "DigitalPakistan". I wasn't expecting IT to be used effectively and professionally in Pakistan but they have done a good job wrt Covid.

Don't mention her, uncle Tom finds her name funny.
 
Don't mention her, uncle Tom finds her name funny.

#DigitalPakistan has done a wonderful job wrt Covid.
Here is one example

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A very insightful piece by UNDP on Gallup’s findings on the impact of Pakistan’s COVID-19 awareness messaging campaign. Big thank you to all our partners who made this happen! <a href="https://t.co/9PbKzVBhnW">https://t.co/9PbKzVBhnW</a></p>— Tania Aidrus (@taidrus) <a href="https://twitter.com/taidrus/status/1287817736991760391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Beyond this, Yaraan-e-Watan platform has been a success. Many Pakistani Doctors working abroad in fields related to Infections/Respiratory/ICU etc have been helping us big time.
Honurable brother [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION] is one right here at PP.
 
#DigitalPakistan has done a wonderful job wrt Covid.
Here is one example

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A very insightful piece by UNDP on Gallup’s findings on the impact of Pakistan’s COVID-19 awareness messaging campaign. Big thank you to all our partners who made this happen! <a href="https://t.co/9PbKzVBhnW">https://t.co/9PbKzVBhnW</a></p>— Tania Aidrus (@taidrus) <a href="https://twitter.com/taidrus/status/1287817736991760391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Beyond this, Yaraan-e-Watan platform has been a success. Many Pakistani Doctors working abroad in fields related to Infections/Respiratory/ICU etc have been helping us big time.
Honurable brother [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION] is one right here at PP.

Great work by all concerned. It's much appreciated by all of us, bar the few that pray for deaths so they can do their politics. I still fear a 2nd spike as it will come in the winter but IA, PK comes out without too much damage. Keep educating the population to the dangers and hopefully people are sensible to listen to the professionals.
 
Great work by all concerned. It's much appreciated by all of us, bar the few that pray for deaths so they can do their politics. I still fear a 2nd spike as it will come in the winter but IA, PK comes out without too much damage. Keep educating the population to the dangers and hopefully people are sensible to listen to the professionals.

Bewal one esteemed member here has severe problem against overseas Pakistanis and the reason given is why don't they return, but when some of them like Tania Aidrus or Wasim Khan do return to serve the country the same member has an issue with that as well.
 
Bewal one esteemed member here has severe problem against overseas Pakistanis and the reason given is why don't they return, but when some of them like Tania Aidrus or Wasim Khan do return to serve the country the same member has an issue with that as well.

But Uncle Tom is a confused soul. Dishonesty does bad things to the brain.
 
Bewal one esteemed member here has severe problem against overseas Pakistanis and the reason given is why don't they return, but when some of them like Tania Aidrus or Wasim Khan do return to serve the country the same member has an issue with that as well.

these individuals dont care about these issues. All they care about is their own status quo. it cant change. Baaki baar main jain. Anyway its a ll a fluke, I mean all the IT and planning just happened by chance nd fell from the sky..
 
karachi active cases increased from 8182- 8237 from yesterday to day

I expect another spike from next week. People went out to buy animals for Eid and will celebrate Eid with full fanfare over this coming weekend. Corona what corona? Koi sahi Allah ka karam howa hai ke kam hogaya corona otherwise people tried their best to have India, Brazil like situation.
 
I expect another spike from next week. People went out to buy animals for Eid and will celebrate Eid with full fanfare over this coming weekend. Corona what corona? Koi sahi Allah ka karam howa hai ke kam hogaya corona otherwise people tried their best to have India, Brazil like situation.

To be honest I think Pak is done with Covid-19 - Would have been an India like situation by now but it isnt.
 
I expect another spike from next week. People went out to buy animals for Eid and will celebrate Eid with full fanfare over this coming weekend. Corona what corona? Koi sahi Allah ka karam howa hai ke kam hogaya corona otherwise people tried their best to have India, Brazil like situation.

they should introduce more army / rangers in karachi for the next week- just to make sure people obey
 
Islamabad, federal territories collectively report 82 cases, 4 fatalities

Islamabad, Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan have collectively reported 82 new coronavirus cases and four fatalities.

The breakdown is as follows:

Islamabad: 24 cases
AJK: 10 cases, 1 death
GB: 48 cases, 3 deaths
 
Has anyone in pakistan seen the level of cleanliness and air pollution drop?

It was visibly noticeable here in the initial days of the lockdown sometime in April. I have never seen a clearer atmosphere in Karachi.

After the lockdown was removed and normal life (mostly) resumed, however, it’s been less noticeable, though I’m sure the level of air pollution has been lowered to an extent with not all industries functional.
 
Casual attitude towards Covid-19 in Pakistan remains cause for concern: study

KARACHI: One in six Pakistani adults believe that they and their families are safe from Covid-19 even if they take no preventive measures, according to a study conducted by the Aga Khan University (AKU) and The Chinese University of Hong Kong.

Pakistani researchers conducted an online survey of 1,406 adults across Pakistan over the first two weeks of May and compared the results with a similar study in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is widely regarded as a Covid-19 containment success story. It has seen just 2,770 cases and 22 deaths in six months despite being a part of China and never imposing a lockdown.

In contrast, the data collected in May showed Pakistan’s rate of infections per 100,000 people at 137 against Hong Kong’s 33 while Pakistan’s fatality rate per 100,000 was also three times higher at 21 despite imposing wide-ranging lockdowns across the country.

Researchers at the AKU’s department of community health sciences said a comparative study of risk perceptions, anxiety levels and community response to Covid-19 in Pakistan and Hong Kong can help assess whether Pakistan is prepared to take the strict preventive measures needed to control the spread of the disease.

The study found that Pakistanis were less concerned about Covid-19’s complications and felt they were more likely to survive the virus than those surveyed in Hong Kong.

Only 41 per cent of Pakistanis rated Covid-19 symptoms as being very severe or severe compared to 97pc of respondents in Hong Kong.

Similarly, nearly seven out of 10 Pakistanis, or 68pc, believed they had a high or very high chance of surviving the disease against just 36pc of respondents from Hong Kong. Such perceptions about the risk of contracting Covid-19 and its complications contribute to preventive behaviour such as wearing face masks, which are almost universally worn in Hong Kong.

Pakistanis were also less likely to seek out information on preventive measures and how to detect Covid-19 symptoms than their counterparts in Hong Kong.

“The casual attitude of literate Pakistanis to preventive measures and the risk of contracting the disease is concerning,” said Prof Fauziah Rabbani, the study’s principal investigator and associate vice provost for research at the AKU.

“We need to be more cautious and attentive to preventive measures especially during the Eid holidays so that we can continue to contain the disease.”

Nearly eight out of 10 Pakistanis, or 79pc, rate government information as being very reliable compared with just 16pc of people in Hong Kong.

“In Hong Kong citizens took charge of the pandemic as they didn’t trust the government,” Prof Rabbani said. “Pakistanis are fortunate to have proactive government campaigns about mask use and physical distancing but remain reluctant to follow these measures.”

The researchers also analysed the data by gender to assess differing perceptions about Covid-19 between Pakistani men and women.

In general, Pakistani men had a lower risk perception of Covid-19 compared to women. Despite a government-imposed lockdown only 71pc of men avoided going out in contrast to 87pc of women. Moreover, 62pc of women reported experiencing symptoms of anxiety compared to 50pc of men.

Men in Pakistan preferred to acquire information about the pandemic from their family and friends while women in the country viewed information from doctors as being more reliable.

Researchers noted that in both countries, seven out of 10 citizens were reluctant to go to hospitals or clinics. They called on Pakistanis with non-communicable diseases such as diabetes and cardiac diseases, maternal as well as child health issues, to continue seeking care whilst adopting preventive measures at hospitals and clinics.

Drs Adeel Abid, Hania Shahzad, Hyder Ali Khan, Suneel Piryani and Areeba Raza Khan from the AKU were also involved in the study.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1571872/c...9-in-pakistan-remains-cause-for-concern-study
 
Pakistan's downward trajectory of active cases continues

Pakistan's downward trajectory of active cases continued, dropping to 25,253, the lowest since May 12.

There were 1,114 new cases registered on Wednesday, taking the tally since the outbreak began to 277,402. At least 36 patients died in the last 24 hours, bringing the total death toll to 6,018.

With the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha to be held over the weekend, authorities in Pakistan are continuing to ask citizens to maintain strict distancing guidelines, to avoid a repeat of an explosion of cases over Eid al-Fitr just over two months ago.
 
93,057 individuals have been infected with Covid19 in Punjab till 10 pm July 31, 2020. 184 new coronavirus cases have been detected, 7,276 tests performed while 2 lives have been lost in last 24 hrs 2,142 lives in total have been lost while 82,541 people have recovered.
 
In Pakistan, are covid-19 tests & results free or does one have to pay? If so, roughly how much?
Does the govt. bear any of the cost, wholly or partially?
How long does it take between being tested and getting the results?

Others have listed private hospital costs for covid-19 patients. But what about costs, if any, for covid-19 patients going to government run hospitals (including medications)?

Hope someone could give some idea about the above, as it may/may not affect ground realities and thus official govt. figures.
 
Pakistan recorded the lowest single-day death toll Sunday since April with six patients succumbing to the coronavirus in the past 24 hours, taking the number of fatalities to 5,976, according to the National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC).

Three of the deaths were reported in Sindh, two in Punjab and one in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, read the NCOC update. The previous lowest death toll in the country was recorded on April 17 when eight people lost the battle against the virus.

While in the span of 24 hours, 553 people have tested positive for the virus while the number of recoveries totals to 248,577 patients.

Over 14,003 tests were conducted on August 1.

Furthermore, out of 1859 ventilators allocated for COVID-19 patients, 225 ventilators are occupied across the country.

Pakistan recorded eight fatalities on April 17.

It is pertinent to mention that there is no patient on ventilator in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), Gilgit Baltistan (GB) and Balochistan.

So far a total of 279,699 cases have been detected in Pakistan, 2,086 in AJK, 11,762 in Balochistan, 2,157 in GB, 15,052 in Islamabad, 34,160 in Khyber Paktunkhwa, 93,173 in Punjab and 12,1309 in Sindh.

As of yet, the total active cases in the country stand at 25,146 while 14,003 tests conducted on August 1 pushing the total of conducted tests to 2,010,170.

Meanwhile, 735 hospitals with COVID-19 facilities has 1,618 patients admitted across the country.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/300864-pakistan-records-low
 
Sindh registers 177 cases, one more death from Covid-19

177 new cases of the coronavirus have been confirmed in Sindh, raising the provincial tally to 121,486, according to Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah.

This is the lowest rise in daily infections since April 18, when the province recorded 138 cases. This is also the first time the province has recorded less than 200 cases since April 19, when 189 cases were reported.

One more person died of the disease, with Sindh's overall death toll rising to 2,224.

A total of 5,272 tests were carried out in the province during the last 24 hours, according to Shah.
 
Punjab reports 116 new cases, two deaths from Covid-19

116 new cases of the coronavirus have been confirmed in Punjab, taking the provincial tally to 93,173, according to the Provincial Disaster Management Authority.

Two more people lost their lives due to Covid-19, with the overall death toll in the province rising to 2,144.

A total of 2,334 tests were performed in Punjab during the 24-hour period.
 
NEW YORK: Pakistan has "dramatically reversed course" in the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, a prominent American newspaper reported Sunday, adding that the South Asian nation recorded a "sharp decline" in coronavirus cases and deaths — both of which are down over 80% from their peaks.

"Major hospitals report beds are freeing up in previously overflowing coronavirus wards, even in Pakistan’s biggest and hardest-hit city, Karachi," the Wall Street Journal said in a report from Islamabad. "The tally of patients on ventilators has halved over the past month," it adds.

"This is all happening as Pakistan’s neighbours to the east and west — India and Iran — are still reporting that infection rates are climbing steadily," the Journal said.

Even more surprising, the report added, was how the progress in Pakistan — where coronavirus was spreading out of control some two months ago — came after Prime Minister Imran Khan resisted the World Health Organization's (WHO) advice, declaring in May that lockdowns are too costly for the poor and reopening the economy.

"We charted the tough course between a strict lockdown and completely opening up," Dr Faisal Sultan, an infectious diseases physician brought in by PM Imran Khan as his adviser for COVID-19.

The report about Pakistan’s success comes when even the US — a superpower with enormous resources at its disposal — struggles to control the pandemic, with 4.7 million cases and 157,000 deaths.

PM Imran started wearing a mask in public

Pakistani health officials have not declared a win, the report said, adding they worry that progress could be undone, particularly with the current Eid-ul-Azha holiday and the upcoming Muharram, both of which traditionally attract public gatherings across the country.

Relatively low testing levels in Pakistan have also raised questions about the scale of the decline, the Journal noted, but quoted medical experts as saying that the turnaround trend is clear. Tellingly, the proportion of tests coming back positive has more than halved, it said, citing official figures.

Pakistan locked its economy down in March, early on in its outbreak, which kept the virus from spreading widely while the population stayed home, the WSJ stated. However, after the restrictions were lifted in May, many Pakistanis celebrated the end of the fasting month of Ramazan with shopping sprees and visits to family, unleashing a burst of infections.

The rapid spread jolted people into changing their behavior, with more mask-wearing, hand-washing, and maintaining social distance, Dr Sultan was cited as saying. The preventive messages increased from the government and public service campaigns.

The prime minister also started wearing a mask in public, the report highlighted.

'Skeptical initially'

The government switched to a strategy of targeted lockdowns of local areas where a cluster of cases had arisen, sometimes just on one street. Residential data and experience that health officials gained over the past few years as part of a massive push to vaccinate against polio were leveraged to pinpoint trouble spots.

Schools, wedding halls, and restaurants remained closed, it said, adding long-distance travel is still restricted.

These days, Dr Faisal Mahmood, a professor at the teaching hospital of Karachi’s Aga Khan University, was quoted as saying that he is seeing more people in his clinic who are having problems recovering from COVID-19 than those currently infected.

"The drop is real, though I was skeptical initially," Dr Mahmood said.

From a peak of nearly 7,000 new cases of infection a day in June, 553 new cases were reported in the last 24 hours, according to the National command and Operation Centre, country’s COVID-19 nerve centre. Pakistan recorded its lowest death count in four months, with six people succumbing to the virus on Saturday.

'Not yet certain' of cause

So far, fewer than 6,000 people have died, with 278,000 recorded cases of infection. Brazil, with which Pakistan was initially compared for spiking infections, has about the same size population as Pakistan. But the Latin American country has reported more than 92,000 deaths and 2.7 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University, a US-based research institution.

At Pakistan’s peak, which came in mid-June, major hospitals in big cities reported being overwhelmed. The highest number of patients to die in a day was 153, on June 20.

"The decline in Pakistan is promising," Anna Vassall, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, was quoted as saying in the dispatch. "But we are not yet certain as to the cause nor how long it will last. The spread of COVID-19 is driven by social behaviour and it is difficult to measure how that has changed."

Modelling had predicted countries like Pakistan would broadly follow coronavirus trends seen in the West, producing some grim forecasts, the report pointed out. A simulation from Imperial College London produced a worst-case scenario of 30,000 deaths a day in early August.

But health experts say Pakistan has some unique characteristics that have likely been helpful in beating the virus back. In particular, they say, the young population and conservative, male-dominated Muslim society has limited exposure to the virus.

No elderly homes, women tend not to go out for work
Just 4% of Pakistan’s population is over 65 — compared with 16% in the US and 23% in Italy, according to United Nations data. The average age in Pakistan is 22, more than a decade younger than Brazil, and 25 years younger than Italy, noting also that there are no bars and nightclubs.

There are also no institutionalised homes for the elderly, sites of deadly outbreaks elsewhere. Women tend not to go out of the home to work, meaning the workforce is overwhelmingly made up of men who are mostly young, it was pointed out.

Dr Adnan Khan, a doctor who is chief knowledge officer at consulting firm Research and Development Solutions, was quoted as saying that social circles in any country are limited to family, friends, work colleagues and more. Some economic research suggests that social networks are smaller in poorer countries, he said.

The virus infected much of the part of the population that was exposed to it in Pakistan and for now, it may have run out of places to go, he said. Still, there are likely other parts of the population that remain vulnerable to the disease, particularly in smaller towns and rural areas — though it is harder for the virus to spread there, Dr Khan said.

'Time for humble introspection'

Officials say complacency could still reverse people’s behavior and spread the disease. Schools and wedding halls will likely open in September.

The government has appealed to the public to exercise restraint at the festival of Eid this weekend. As farmers return from selling their animals for slaughter in the cities, they could carry the virus into rural areas for the first time, experts warn.

"This is not the time to declare victory," said Dr Sultan, the prime minister’s adviser. "This is the time for humble introspection and planning ahead."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/300871-am...cally-reversed-course-in-coronavirus-pandemic
 
In Pakistan, are covid-19 tests & results free or does one have to pay? If so, roughly how much?
Does the govt. bear any of the cost, wholly or partially?
How long does it take between being tested and getting the results?

Others have listed private hospital costs for covid-19 patients. But what about costs, if any, for covid-19 patients going to government run hospitals (including medications)?

Hope someone could give some idea about the above, as it may/may not affect ground realities and thus official govt. figures.
Anyone? How about you doctors on PP? Surely someone can give some idea about the aforementioned costs?
I've been led to understand that some clinics are charging PKR 10,000 + for covid-19 tests. Is that so? if not, then roughly what's the actual cost?
 
In Pakistan, are covid-19 tests & results free or does one have to pay? If so, roughly how much?
Does the govt. bear any of the cost, wholly or partially?

PCR charges are PKR 6500.
Govt. Hospitals provide free tests if one has typical sign and symptoms and if PCR was advised by the Experts Panel.


How long does it take between being tested and getting the results?
24-48 Hours

Others have listed private hospital costs for covid-19 patients. But what about costs, if any, for covid-19 patients going to government run hospitals (including medications)?
Treatment in Public Sector Hospitals is free of cost. Hospitals also have Tocilizumab stocks to be used if doctors recommend

Hope someone could give some idea about the above, as it may/may not affect ground realities and thus official govt. figures.

Some of my colleagues tested +ve. One relative tested +ve. They all were contacted by Punjab Govt teams and PCR tests of all family members were done free of cost.

Everyone has played his/her part. Public has cooperated well since after Eid-ul-Fitr. Healthcare workers have done a good job with limited resources.imho Govt has managed it well.

I have a question for you also.
How many countries are doing Immediate Free PCR of family members of Covid +ve individuals? or its only Pakistan
 
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Some of my colleagues tested +ve. One relative tested +ve. They all were contacted by Punjab Govt teams and PCR tests of all family members were done free of cost.

Everyone has played his/her part. Public has cooperated well since after Eid-ul-Fitr. Healthcare workers have done a good job with limited resources.imho Govt has managed it well.

I have a question for you also.
How many countries are doing Immediate Free PCR of family members of Covid +ve individuals? or its only Pakistan
Thank you for your answer.

However, it contradicts an answer given by a distant cousin living in Islamabad. According to him, his work colleague paid PKR 15,000 each for covid-19 tests for himself and his elderly mother.

So why would someone pay PKR 15,000 for a covid-19 test (or even the PKR 6,500 figure you've stated) if they can go to a govt hospital and be tested for free?
 
Thank you for your answer.

However, it contradicts an answer given by a distant cousin living in Islamabad. According to him, his work colleague paid PKR 15,000 each for covid-19 tests for himself and his elderly mother.

So why would someone pay PKR 15,000 for a covid-19 test (or even the PKR 6,500 figure you've stated) if they can go to a govt hospital and be tested for free?

Because highest chances of exposure to a Covid Patient in any city is when you visit a govt hospital.

Private labs are just labs and don't have Covid-Wards inside labs.

Govt. labs are inside govt hospitals and everyone knows every govt hospital has Covid wards and Covid patients. People think its not safe to go to govt hospital for test as they may come in contact with a Covid-Carrier.
 
Because highest chances of exposure to a Covid Patient in any city is when you visit a govt hospital.

Private labs are just labs and don't have Covid-Wards inside labs.

Govt. labs are inside govt hospitals and everyone knows every govt hospital has Covid wards and Covid patients. People think its not safe to go to govt hospital for test as they may come in contact with a Covid-Carrier.
Indirectly, you've confirmed the point I was trying to make.

If the average person is afraid to go to a govt. hospital to be tested for the reasons you've outlined, and they have to pay (whether PKR 6,500 each you mentioned or the over PKR 20,000 my distant cousin paid for himself and his mother at a private lab, a not insignificant amount for the average person) it is quite likely that significant numbers who have symptoms will not go / could not afford to go and have covid-19 tests, thereby making nonsense of the official figures quoted.
 
Indirectly, you've confirmed the point I was trying to make.

If the average person is afraid to go to a govt. hospital to be tested for the reasons you've outlined, and they have to pay (whether PKR 6,500 each you mentioned or the over PKR 20,000 my distant cousin paid for himself and his mother at a private lab, a not insignificant amount for the average person) it is quite likely that significant numbers who have symptoms will not go / could not afford to go and have covid-19 tests, thereby making nonsense of the official figures quoted.

Its the same case every where, nobody is willingly going to go and get tested.
It's impossible that every covid positive or symptomatic patients is going to go willingly and get tested.Being quarantined is no joke and this also worries people, not just the cost of testing.

But still the official numbers are not absolutely meaningless, they do provide a certain sort of outlook of the overall situation.
 
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