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'If we keep deaths under 20,000 we will have done well'

NHS England medical director Prof Stephen Powis says if the death toll in the UK is kept below 20,000, "we will have done very well". It was "possible to get on top of this virus", he added.
 
Another 259 people have died in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus, taking the total to 1,028.

The vast majority of those were in England, where a further 246 deaths means a total of 935 people have died.

NHS England said the victims were aged between 33 and 100, and all but 13 of them had underlying health conditions.
 
'If we keep deaths under 20,000 we will have done well'

NHS England medical director Prof Stephen Powis says if the death toll in the UK is kept below 20,000, "we will have done very well". It was "possible to get on top of this virus", he added.

20,000

Crazy numbers. Frightening numbers too.
 
The Republic of Ireland has seen 14 more deaths in the last 24 hours bringing the total number of people to have died to 36.

All 14 people who died were located in the east of the country, with a median age of 81.

A further 294 cases of coronavirus were reported in the country on Saturday bringing the number of confirmed cases to 2,415.
 
Just checked and each year around 17.000 people die in the UK due to the flu.

Something isn’t right about this one however.

They wouldn’t be setting up as if they are expecting casualties like Pearl Harbour or 9/11 for normal flus
 
House are coming back on the market in droves. There goes the dreams of many who wanted to sell with such high house prices. Hopefully prices drop significantly, especially in London so young people can get on the ladder.

Boomer owners will take at least 2 years to lower prices to normal levels.

Also, a lot of young people will lose jobs and bank will set impossible conditions to grant loans for the fortune working, anyways.
 
1000+ deaths for UK now.

Situation in UK is not as bad as it is in US but still pretty bad.
 
The prime minister has warned the coronavirus crisis will get worse before it gets better, in a letter being sent to every UK household.

Boris Johnson, who is self-isolating after testing positive for Covid-19, says stricter restrictions could be put in place if necessary.

Britons will also get a leaflet detailing government rules on leaving the house and health information.

It follows criticism over the clarity of government advice to date.

The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has now reached 1,019, with a further 260 deaths announced on Saturday.

There are now 17,089 confirmed cases in the UK.

In the letter being sent to 30 million households at an anticipated cost of £5.8m, Mr Johnson writes: "From the start, we have sought to put in the right measures at the right time.

"We will not hesitate to go further if that is what the scientific and medical advice tells us we must do."

Tough measures to tackle the spread of coronavirus, including a ban on public gatherings of more than two people and the closure of shops selling non-essential goods, were introduced last week.

"It's important for me to level with you - we know things will get worse before they get better," the letter reads.

"But we are making the right preparations, and the more we all follow the rules, the fewer lives will be lost and the sooner life can return to normal."

Experts have said they expect the number of coronavirus cases and deaths to continue to rise for the next two to three weeks, before the effects of social distancing measures and restrictions on everyday life begin to have an impact.

In his letter, Mr Johnson describes the pandemic as a "moment of national emergency", and reiterates the government guidance to stay at home to avoid putting pressure on the NHS, so that lives can be saved.

The prime minister acknowledges the restrictions will have a financial impact on families.

However, writing after ministers unveiled billions of pounds of help for workers and business, he says: "The government will do whatever it takes to help you make ends meet and put food on the table."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM <a href="https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BorisJohnson</a> is writing to every UK household to urge them to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StayHomeSaveLives?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StayHomeSaveLives</a> <a href="https://t.co/GMNPqEl10d">pic.twitter.com/GMNPqEl10d</a></p>— UK Prime Minister (@10DowningStreet) <a href="https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1244029214933889024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr Johnson also praises the work of doctors, nurses and other carers as well as well as the hundreds of thousands of people who have volunteered to help the most vulnerable.

The leaflet sent alongside the letter includes guidance on handwashing, an explanation of coronavirus symptoms, the government rules on leaving the house and advice on shielding vulnerable people.

Meanwhile, new powers, including fines of up to £5,000, to enforce guidelines on people staying at home and businesses staying closed came into force in Northern Ireland on Saturday evening.

The maximum fine will be reserved for businesses but individuals could face a fine of up to £960 if they do not comply.

In other developments:

The first of three flights chartered by the Foreign Office to bring home British tourists stranded in Peru will leave the capital Lima on Sunday

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have lent their support to a Public Health England initiative giving people tips on how to look after their mental health during the pandemic as the government provides an additional £5m funding to charities to expand their services

More than 750 St John Ambulance volunteers have offered to help at the temporary hospital set up in London's Excel centre to meet demand for intensive care beds

Food parcels have begun to be delivered to the most vulnerable people in England who are being told to stay at home for the next three months to protect them from coronavirus

Secretary of State for Scotland, Alister Jack, is self-isolating after he developed coronavirus symptoms. He is said to be experiencing mild symptoms but has not been tested for Covid-19

Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Home Secretary Priti Patel has pledged to protect victims of domestic abuse, who she says are particularly at risk during the pandemic because of the need to stay at home

The Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, said he had received about 300 complaints from employees and the public about businesses not following social distancing guidelines

The Foreign Office said it was working "around the clock" to support British travellers stranded in India amid a government lockdown
The prime minister's letter follows comments by the medical director of NHS England, who said on Saturday "now is not the time to be complacent" over the virus.

Speaking at the government's daily coronavirus briefing, Prof Stephen Powis said "every one of us" had a part to play if the UK was to keep the death toll under 20,000.

Business Secretary Alok Sharma also announced insolvency rules would be changed to allow firms greater flexibility as they faced the coronavirus crisis.

He said a range of measures to boost the supply of personal protective equipment, such as face masks, to protect frontline NHS staff, were also being introduced.

It comes as testing begins to be rolled out for frontline hospital staff in England to see whether they have coronavirus.

In Wales and Scotland, health workers are already being tested. Northern Ireland's testing begins on Monday.

As well as the prime minister, Health Secretary Matt Hancock is also self-isolating after testing positive for the virus. The UK's chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, is also self-isolating, but has not tested positive.

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Key developments in the UK

UK households are going to receive a letter from the prime minister warning that the crisis will get worse before it gets better. Boris Johnson, who is in self-quarantine after testing positive on Friday, also says stricter restrictions will be put in place if necessary

A leaflet will also be sent to the 30 million households, giving more information about government rules on leaving the house, as well as health guidance

The first of three flights chartered by the Foreign Office to bring home British tourists stranded in Peru will leave the capital Lima on Sunday. The Foreign Office says it is working "around the clock" to support British travellers stranded in India

On Saturday a further 260 deaths were announced in the UK, taking the total to 1,019

In Northern Ireland, new powers have come into force to ensure people stay at home and businesses stay closed. Penalties, including fines of up to £5,000, have been brought in

In Wales, NHS staff will receive free bus travel throughout the nation as part of a government deal with bus companies

And the Secretary of State for Scotland, Alister Jack, continues to self-isolate after it was revealed he had developed symptoms
 
The government has faced criticism about the speed and availability of testing, but Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says there has been a "significant" acceleration. The UK carried out 10,000 tests yesterday - according to who says that is just ahead of the end-of-March deadline set by the health secretary.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock tweeted that the UK was on track to reach 25,000 tests a day.

Also, the UK needs to prepare to be under strict measures for a "significant period", Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says.
 
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As we head towards lunchtime in the UK, here are the latest developments:

The lockdown will be in place for a “significant period” and could last longer if people do not stick to the rules, according to Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove

Each household will receive a letter from the prime minister warning that stricter measures could be put in place if necessary
Home Secretary Priti Patel has pledged to protect victims of domestic abuse, who she says are particularly at risk because of the need to stay at home

The number of people who have died with coronavirus in the UK has reached 1,019, with a further 260 deaths announced on Saturday

Scotland's Chief Medical Officer Catherine Calderwood says restrictions on movements could last for 13 weeks

GPs in parts of Wales claim they are having to buy their own personal protective equipment

In Northern Ireland, new powers have come into force to ensure people stay at home and businesses stay closed
 
Something isn’t right about this one however.

They wouldn’t be setting up as if they are expecting casualties like Pearl Harbour or 9/11 for normal flus

Well I just stated the facts. 17.000 die each year during the flu.

We need to look at facts in these time as the mainstream media is too busy with sensation headlines.
 
Here's a little more detail on the news that 1,228 people have died in the UK since the outbreak began.

The latest figures show there have been a further 209 deaths over the past 24 hours. That's slightly lower than Saturday's rise of 260.

The vast majority of those - 190 - have come in England.

Wales has reported 10 new deaths, there have been a further six in Northern Ireland, and one in Scotland.

The Department of Health and Social care said there were now 19,522 confirmed cases in the UK.
 
Well I just stated the facts. 17.000 die each year during the flu.

We need to look at facts in these time as the mainstream media is too busy with sensation headlines.

So what if 17,000 die from the flu each year, keeping it down to an additional 20,000 people dying being considered a good job is still a catastrophe.
 
So what if 17,000 die from the flu each year, keeping it down to an additional 20,000 people dying being considered a good job is still a catastrophe.

Well the main question here is how is the reporting being done.

Thats very important data.

Here in the NL we do not get the info regarding other health issues people have who died from covid 19.
 
So I know 2 people from our community (Birmingham) who have died from Covid-19.

I'd say one uncle around 65 and the other uncle around 75. The first had an underlying heart condition and was precautiouss as best he could be. On Thursday he came home to his family and said he was in severe pain and a coupel of hours later it escalated and he had to be taken to the hospital. On Friday despite the best efforts of doctors and nurses he passed away. There were so many people in critical condition that they are now numbering patients. Patient 35, Patient 78 etc. I don't know what the full burial process is but apparent they do give a Islamic funeral.

The NHS have told the family they must isolate and no visitors - especially to people want to offer condolences. When my mum spoke to the widow of the man, she said it's very likely to have got it about 2 weeks earlier, he showed some mild symptoms initially, then was ok and then in the last few hours he was in extreme pain.

The older uncle was a very heavy smoker I believe and lived across the road from the uncle I've described above. The NHS and the police of course are advising everyone in the community to err on the side of caution. They don't need to. Two deaths in 2 days is enough to shake everyone up.
 
Can you stop with the flu comparisons?

Which flu kills 20% of the elderly?

This virus is 50-100x more deadlier than the flu.

All you need to do is scroll up a few posts and your answer will be there.

Also, you don't lockdown cities coz of the flu.

If no restrictions were put in place, over 300k people would have died from this virus.

We have no restrictions with the flu and 20k die every year. No where near the coronavirus no restriction death toll
 
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The flu is dangerous, so is Covid-19. But we have a vaccine for the common flu, we don't have a vaccine for covid19 yet and that is the only reason why is so much more dangerous right now. A vaccine is what is needed.
 
A consultant working in Derby and Burton hospitals has died after testing positive for coronavirus.

Amged El-Hawrani, aged 55, was a ear, nose and throat specialist.

He died last night at Leicester Royal Infirmary.

NHS England has said he was the first front-line worker to die in the fight against COVID-19.
 
The flu is dangerous, so is Covid-19. But we have a vaccine for the common flu, we don't have a vaccine for covid19 yet and that is the only reason why is so much more dangerous right now. A vaccine is what is needed.

Hello? There is no cure or vaccine per se for the Flu. If there was then people wouldnt be getting the flu, and this after receiving the flu jab.
 
All you need to do is scroll up a few posts and your answer will be there.

Also, you don't lockdown cities coz of the flu.

If no restrictions were put in place, over 300k people would have died from this virus.

We have no restrictions with the flu and 20k die every year. No where near the coronavirus no restriction death toll

I asked it to put things into perspective. So far 200 deaths confirmed but I guess no background known (earlier health issues/age).
 
Dr Jenny Harries is asked whether the large number of deaths in recent days was expected.

She says: "Sadly the answer is yes, it is as expected.

"It is not an easy position to stand on a platform and say we expect large numbers of people to die... but it is a pandemic and an unprecedented event."

Dr Harries warns she is "expecting that number will increase for the next week or two".

But, "if we keep doing what we are doing" with social distancing measures, see says she "anticipates... it will start to drop".

She adds: "We just need to watch it carefully, hold tight for a week or two, keep doing what we are doing, and then come back and ask me the question again."

Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick again avoids divulging what specific stronger measures could be put in place if the current tactics don't work.

He says: "If we all follow the measures, there is every reason to believe we can turn the tide of the virus.

"Of course, if those measures prove insufficient or the public are not complying, then we will have to consider further options but that is not our intention."
 
The flu is dangerous, so is Covid-19. But we have a vaccine for the common flu, we don't have a vaccine for covid19 yet and that is the only reason why is so much more dangerous right now. A vaccine is what is needed.

The flu doesn’t kill 2% of infected persons. Vaccination has helped - the fatality rate is about 0.1% now. My old Dad got his flu jab every year. But Coronavirus is more like viral pneumonia. A lot of people will survive but take lung damage anyway.
 
Dr Jenny Harries is asked whether the large number of deaths in recent days was expected.

She says: "Sadly the answer is yes, it is as expected.

"It is not an easy position to stand on a platform and say we expect large numbers of people to die... but it is a pandemic and an unprecedented event."

Dr Harries warns she is "expecting that number will increase for the next week or two".

But, "if we keep doing what we are doing" with social distancing measures, see says she "anticipates... it will start to drop".

She adds: "We just need to watch it carefully, hold tight for a week or two, keep doing what we are doing, and then come back and ask me the question again."

Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick again avoids divulging what specific stronger measures could be put in place if the current tactics don't work.

He says: "If we all follow the measures, there is every reason to believe we can turn the tide of the virus.

"Of course, if those measures prove insufficient or the public are not complying, then we will have to consider further options but that is not our intention."

I do hope so. We lost 209 people yesterday, and are only two weeks behind Italy who are losing 800 every day.
 
some positive news i guess, despite increased testing new infection rates have come down for the second day in a row. need a five to seven day trend to be more certain of the integrity of the data tho.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today sees the 3rd British Muslim doctor who has died due to coronavirus<br><br>His name is Amged El-Hawrani: an ENT consultant in the Midlands<br><br>إِنَّا لِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ<br>Indeed we belong to Allah & to Him we will (all) return (Qur'an 2:156)<a href="https://t.co/OtkA3DDQ4Y">https://t.co/OtkA3DDQ4Y</a></p>— Miqdaad Versi (@miqdaad) <a href="https://twitter.com/miqdaad/status/1244292085433405442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Just checked and each year around 17.000 people die in the UK due to the flu.

Correct, but that’s from everyone doing nothing to stop it. We would have been on course for half a million Covid deaths if the government had done nothing - we need to take these extreme measures to just keep Covid to somewhere around that 17,000 mark.
 
Sky news love to run lockdown stories

So much emphasis on 6 months of lockdown. They are clearly working on an agenda
 
Sky news love to run lockdown stories

So much emphasis on 6 months of lockdown. They are clearly working on an agenda

No it’s not just sky news.
Every paper is reporting this as are all the news channels.
 
Sky news love to run lockdown stories

So much emphasis on 6 months of lockdown. They are clearly working on an agenda

Yup.

Anyone who says otherwise can perhaps explain why news channels are not talking/reporting about the 95% who have survived this virus.

Agenda. Death sells.
 
I was told today that it's a possibility that despite being on a zero hour contract I might be eligible for the 80% salary too...

What's being discussed is how that will be worked out...average salary over a year, three months or what was paid in February etc...

The owner of my company will pay the 80% and then will be reimbursed by the government once we are back at work...

If true this is the most socialist conservative government ive ever seen lol...what is also means is we have a massive recession on the way...

My company just like others that have had to shut down will also claim insurance over this period...

The Swedes for instance are simply discouraging people from going to public gatherings, bars, clubs etc but haven't forced them to shut down...which in essence is saving them some serious money as a result...those businesses though are taking a massive hit...
 
I was told today that it's a possibility that despite being on a zero hour contract I might be eligible for the 80% salary too...

What's being discussed is how that will be worked out...average salary over a year, three months or what was paid in February etc...

The owner of my company will pay the 80% and then will be reimbursed by the government once we are back at work...

If true this is the most socialist conservative government ive ever seen lol...what is also means is we have a massive recession on the way...

My company just like others that have had to shut down will also claim insurance over this period...

The Swedes for instance are simply discouraging people from going to public gatherings, bars, clubs etc but haven't forced them to shut down...which in essence is saving them some serious money as a result...those businesses though are taking a massive hit...

The Swedes are implementing phased herd immunity, which means if enough people get the disease and recover then the disease will run out of steam since the chances of it finding a person who hasn't previously been infected will diminish.

UK also started off with same strategy but Trump Jr. at 10 Downing Street botched it big time and now UK strategy is neither here nor there.

It goes without saying that herd immunity means you are willing to accept ~1-5% of people getting infected and dying.
 
How many cases are there in the UK?

We'll find out later today how many new cases there were on Sunday.

In the meantime, the latest official figures show 19,522 have been infected across the country.

UK authorities also reported 209 more disease-related deaths, bringing the national total to 1,228.

While high, the figure was lower than the record rise reported on Saturday of 260.
 
20,000 NHS staff return to work in UK

Some 20,000 former NHS staff have returned to work to help the fight against coronavirus, Boris Johnson has revealed.

In a video, which the prime minister posted on Twitter, Mr Johnson thanked the doctors, nurses and other former professionals who have returned to the NHS, as well as the 750,000 members of the public who have volunteered to help the country through the pandemic.

"One thing I think the coronavirus crisis has already proved is that there really is such a thing as society," he said.

The statement references a quote by former Conservative PM Margaret Thatcher, who famously said "there is no such thing as society".
 
All you need to do is scroll up a few posts and your answer will be there.

Also, you don't lockdown cities coz of the flu.

If no restrictions were put in place, over 300k people would have died from this virus.

We have no restrictions with the flu and 20k die every year. No where near the coronavirus no restriction death toll

I do agree covid-19 Is a pandemic of massive proportions, but let's get some facts right, where there's a vaccine then theres control, unfortunately covid-19 has no vaccine therefore managing it is the only option for the forseable future whilst the flu virus without vaccine would have also been catastrophic as you see even with the vaccine thousands die
 
The Swedes are implementing phased herd immunity, which means if enough people get the disease and recover then the disease will run out of steam since the chances of it finding a person who hasn't previously been infected will diminish.

UK also started off with same strategy but Trump Jr. at 10 Downing Street botched it big time and now UK strategy is neither here nor there.

It goes without saying that herd immunity means you are willing to accept ~1-5% of people getting infected and dying.

Reason we abandoned herd immunity is because the rate of infection was too high for our health service to deal with...

The idea itself appears to be a good one...but needs two things to work...for the health service to be good enough...and for people to actually be self disciplined...people in Britain only started isolating once it was forced upon them...from what I gather and you can correct me in Sweden they actually followed the government directive...
 
First three NHS doctors to have died from Covid 19 are:

Amged Al-Hawrani
Adel Al-Tayar
Habib Zaidi

Far from 'immigrants crippling the economy' they are currently dying saving British people...28.4% of doctors in the NHS are migrants as it happens...
 
British airline easyJet has said it has grounded its entire fleet because of the coronavirus pandemic but will still be available for rescue flights to repatriate stranded customers, AFP reported.

“As a result of the unprecedented travel restrictions imposed by governments in response to the coronavirus pandemic and the implementation of national lockdowns across many European countries, easyJet has [...] fully grounded its entire fleet of aircraft,” it said in a statement.

"We will continue to work with government bodies to operate additional rescue flights as requested,” easyJet said.
 
Yup.

Anyone who says otherwise can perhaps explain why news channels are not talking/reporting about the 95% who have survived this virus.

Agenda. Death sells.

So a sky reporter from Brussells mentioned that the Italian governement are holding a meeting this afternoon in which they will agree to lift the lockdown on the 15th of April for factories and 20th of April for shops.

The second time this reporter came on, she mentioned the same thing but also commented that this may not be appreciated and it seems so early.

Clearly the directors are telling these reporters to not support any signs of lockdown being lifted, they dont want the lockdown to lift at all forever. This is why I hope the Government pulls the plug on their funding also!
 
The world is in lockdown, people are getting sick and dying...
The country is in turmoil and somehow some people would rather discuss conspiracy theories, only in their heads it’s not a theory.
 
The number of people who have died in England after contracting coronavirus is now 1,284, a rise of 159, NHS England said.
Those who died were aged between 32 and 98 years old.

Almost all patients had underlying health conditions – the four people who did not were aged between 56 and 87 years old.
NHS England confirmed their families had been informed.
 
The world is in lockdown, people are getting sick and dying...
The country is in turmoil and somehow some people would rather discuss conspiracy theories, only in their heads it’s not a theory.

People get sick and die every day. Its normal to asl questions and be critical on the way the media is handling this.
 
First three NHS doctors to have died from Covid 19 are:

Amged Al-Hawrani
Adel Al-Tayar
Habib Zaidi

Far from 'immigrants crippling the economy' they are currently dying saving British people...28.4% of doctors in the NHS are migrants as it happens...

I can see the Daily Mail headlines for tomorrow:

"Nation salutes Muslim NHS heroes!"

:salute
 
Mr Rabb says he can announce new arrangements between the government and airlines to fly tens of thousands of Britons home.

Airlines involved include British Airways, Virgin and EasyJet.

Mr Raab says those in countries where commercial options are still available should not wait, but book tickets home as soon as possible.

"Where commercial flights are no longer running the government will provide support for special charter flights to help British nationals back home," he says.

He says vulnerable people will be prioritised for those flights.
 
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab begins by by reiterating that the government has been following the scientific advice.

He says the government is taking "unprecedented action" to increase NHS capacity by "dramatically increasing" the number of beds and staff.

He also says that 1,408 have sadly died from the virus.
 
Awwww. 1000+ died and we should all unite, innocent people die at the hands of a UK manufactured bomb, in the name of freedom!

Get real. Dont be fooled by these numbers.
 
The UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance says the UK is "tracking alongside France" and behind Italy in terms of deaths from coronavirus.

"The measures we're taking will stop the transmission, delay the transmission," he says.
 
British Airways says it is temporarily suspending its use of Gatwick airport for flights amid the coronavirus pandemic
 
British Airways says it is temporarily suspending its use of Gatwick airport for flights amid the coronavirus pandemic

Just saw in the news that a special plan bringing back UK travellers from Peru back to the UK. The government has announced £75m package to bring back its citizens.

If a UK national took a flight in the first week of March knowing there is a pandemic, that chap does not deserve any empathy from me.
 
UK's true death toll still unclear


The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) has released new figures on coronavirus deaths in England and Wales, which include how many were registered up to 20 March – the day that pubs and clubs were ordered to shut down to help tackle the outbreak.

What’s different about the data is it looks at community deaths – people who died at home or in residential care whom doctors recorded on the death certificate as probably having Covid-19. There were 103 of these – 1% of all deaths.

The ONS also trawled a few days ahead of 20 March to capture any deaths stuck in a recording backlog. That brings the total to 210 deaths involving coronavirus.

That’s 40 more than the 170 deaths announced by the government at the time – those were all hospital deaths of patients who had tested positive for coronavirus and so definitely had the infection.

In comparison, there are not enough tests to check how many people in the community are infected or how many deaths are linked to Covid-19.

So these community death figures are interesting but they don’t give us a clearer idea of the true toll.
 
The UK's health secretary has said he is "on the mend" after contracting coronavirus.

Matt Hancock described his symptoms as mild and that he was continuing to work from home while self-isolating.

"It's hard to extrapolate from one person but the good news for me is I was lucky and it wasn't too bad," he told BBC Radio Suffolk.

He added: "The figures show that for the vast majority of people - around four in five - they have mild symptoms and it's like a bad flu.

"But unfortunately, as we know, for some people it's much more serious."
 
The Swedes are implementing phased herd immunity, which means if enough people get the disease and recover then the disease will run out of steam since the chances of it finding a person who hasn't previously been infected will diminish.

UK also started off with same strategy but Trump Jr. at 10 Downing Street botched it big time and now UK strategy is neither here nor there.

It goes without saying that herd immunity means you are willing to accept ~1-5% of people getting infected and dying.
He got frightened by the report of Imperial College London that forecast around 250,000 deaths by continuing on that strategy.
Largely due to the NHS not having adequate resources to cope with the expected spike in cases.
 
The number of people who have died after being diagnosed with coronavirus in Scotland has reached 60, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says - a rise of 13 on Monday's total.

As of Tuesday morning, 1,993 people had tested positive for the virus - an increase of 430 on the previous day, she added, speaking at a briefing in Edinburgh.

Ms Sturgeon said 108 of these positive tests had come from a lab which was unable to submit data over the weekend, which is “part of the reason why this increase is so high”.
 
All but 28 coronavirus patients who died had prior health conditions, says UK's NHS
United Kingdom's National Health Service has said that all but 28 of those who died of the novel coronavirus had underlying medical conditions Reuters reported.

So far, 1,651 people have died from the disease in UK.


So off the 1600+ deaths in the UK, all except for 28 had pre-existing conditions. If you are anyone you know has asthama, heart, lungs, diabetics or other diseases then PLEASE stay indoors. Also if you smoke or anyone in your family does then you/they need to stop RIGHT NOW. Alot of young people who are dying had been chronic smokers.
 
393 more deaths in UK

A further 393 people with coronavirus have died in the UK in the past day - the biggest daily total so far.

A total of 1,801 people have now died with the virus across the UK, including 367 more in England, 13 in Scotland, seven in Wales and six in Northern Ireland.
 
Wales death toll reaches 69

Seven more people have died in Wales after testing positive for coronavirus - taking the total to 69, Public Health Wales has said.

In its latest daily announcement, the NHS body said there had been 112 new confirmed cases, with the total number now at 1,563.

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Six more deaths in Northern Ireland

Six more people have died from coronavirus in Northern Ireland, bringing the total to 28.

The Public Health Agency said another 53 cases had been confirmed, meaning the total number of infections is now 586.

Full UK figures for Tuesday have not yet been released, with the Republic of Ireland figures also due later.
 
Gove: Tests for NHS staff are increasing

We now come to questions - the first comes from the BBC's health editor, Hugh Pym. He asks about testing for NHS staff.

Gove replies that the number of tests are being increased adding that one of the constraints is the supply of the specific chemicals.

He adds that the government has been working with academics, and the private sector to increase the number of test centres.

Dr Jenny Harries, the deputy chief medical officer, agrees that testing and testing capacity is going up. She also says it is important to ensure the postal testing system is operational.

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'We are not out of the woods' - Powis

The British public is "paying attention" to instructions about social distancing but "we are not out of the woods", says NHS England national medical director Dr Stephen Powis.

He says the number of people using transport services has "reduced dramatically" in the past few weeks.

"We have had a rise in the number of UK cases, but recently we have had a bit of a plateau," he continues.

"It's early days, we're not out of the woods - we're very much in the woods - but it's very important we keep complying with those instructions."

He adds that the rate of hospital admissions has been increasing - but that is expected at this stage.

He adds: "We must not be complacent and we must not take our foot off the pedal."
 
Teenage boy dies in London after testing positive for coronavirus

A 13-year-old boy in London who tested positive for coronavirus has died, a hospital said on Tuesday.

“Sadly, a 13-year old boy who tested positive for COVID-19 has passed away, and our thoughts and condolences are with the family at this time,” King’s College Hospital said in a statement.

“The death has been referred to the coroner and no further comment will be made.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...esting-positive-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN21I37S
 
So off the 1600+ deaths in the UK, all except for 28 had pre-existing conditions. If you are anyone you know has asthama, heart, lungs, diabetics or other diseases then PLEASE stay indoors. Also if you smoke or anyone in your family does then you/they need to stop RIGHT NOW. Alot of young people who are dying had been chronic smokers.

There's no evidence staying indoors (lockdowns) work. You like every other person and especially are singing this tune without any evidence. Japan had a much earlier hit with Covid19, they didn't and still do not enforce a lockdown and guess what they're way way down on the list of countries with the most infected people.
 
There's no evidence staying indoors (lockdowns) work. You like every other person and especially are singing this tune without any evidence. Japan had a much earlier hit with Covid19, they didn't and still do not enforce a lockdown and guess what they're way way down on the list of countries with the most infected people.

The primary aim of a lockdown isn't to keep people inside, it's to reduce their contact with others outside their household. You're not seriously suggesting there's no evidence that decreasing contact with others slows the spread of a virus that spreads through contact...?
 
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The primary aim of a lockdown isn't to keep people inside, it's to reduce their contact with others outside their household. You're not seriously suggesting there's no evidence that decreasing contact with others slows the spread of a virus that spreads through contact...?
It hasn’t worked in Italy. Total fail. They now want to forcefully isolate people who are reporting mild symptoms into solitary confinement.

What all this has indeed achieved is millions of people unemployed and thousands of businesses on the brink of shutting down completely.
 
It hasn’t worked in Italy. Total fail. They now want to forcefully isolate people who are reporting mild symptoms into solitary confinement.

What all this has indeed achieved is millions of people unemployed and thousands of businesses on the brink of shutting down completely.

What do you define as not working? Are you suggesting the infection rate and death toll would be exactly the same without a lockdown?
 
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What do you define as not working? Are you suggesting the infection rate and death toll would be exactly the same without a lockdown?

Do we know for sure that it would be far worse had the pandemic been allowed to run its full course, and herd immunity would play its role in the course of things?

All speculations aside, what you do have in concrete is 800,000 small businesses on the brink of being bust, millions of people unemployed and plenty others locked at home with abusive family members.

I guess it’s all worth it
 
Do we know for sure that it would be far worse had the pandemic been allowed to run its full course, and herd immunity would play its role in the course of things?

All speculations aside, what you do have in concrete is 800,000 small businesses on the brink of being bust, millions of people unemployed and plenty others locked at home with abusive family members.

I guess it’s all worth it

You do realise that the Herd Immunity is to make sure that the outbreak doesn't happen AGAIN?

Herd Immunity never lowers the cases. It's in a way of the country surrendering and saying that "let the virus run its course, at least it won't come back next time".

With this you'd have 10 times more deaths at least
 
Do we know for sure that it would be far worse had the pandemic been allowed to run its full course, and herd immunity would play its role in the course of things?

They don't. They like the media, all sing the same tune but cannot answer why other countries have been far more successful and didn't force a lockdown.
 
Do we know for sure that it would be far worse had the pandemic been allowed to run its full course, and herd immunity would play its role in the course of things?

All speculations aside, what you do have in concrete is 800,000 small businesses on the brink of being bust, millions of people unemployed and plenty others locked at home with abusive family members.

I guess it’s all worth it

If you in doubt then go to your local hospital and see how the staff are overwhelmed.
Thereafter go to the excel arena and ask yourself why they have build a makeshift hospital with 4000 beds?

If you are still in denial then go and speak to a doctor or a nurse on the front line.
 
You do realise that the Herd Immunity is to make sure that the outbreak doesn't happen AGAIN?

Herd Immunity never lowers the cases. It's in a way of the country surrendering and saying that "let the virus run its course, at least it won't come back next time".

With this you'd have 10 times more deaths at least

He’s obviously concerned about his own job and that is fine.
People are going to lose a lot in this time and the it could take years to recover BUT saving lives should always come before saving (or making) money.
 
If you in doubt then go to your local hospital and see how the staff are overwhelmed.
Thereafter go to the excel arena and ask yourself why they have build a makeshift hospital with 4000 beds?

If you are still in denial then go and speak to a doctor or a nurse on the front line.

Doesn't seem like he's in any doubt for that matter neither am I.

The lockdown isn't working. Italy had a lockdown, the UK has a lockdown, Spain has one and yet many people still getting infected. Japan has had no lockdown and so too Taiwan and they've managed to contain the number of cases well.

There is an example of how you can manage a pandemic like this without shutting down everything, killing businesses and the economy in turn.

Seems to me people don't want to see Covid-19 casulaties but haven't stopped to look at the best way to manage it without bringing everything to a standstill.

As for your points on go and see the frontline, go and speak to doctors - what would that achieve? It would only highlight how inadequate our health systems are and how ill-prepared the health service and the country as a whole have been.
 
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