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Could Haris Rauf be the breakout star of PSL 4?

muhammad saad said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
If you have actually watched him bowl then you would have known that he's got the basics right for be an out and out topclass bowler, whether he actually convert his raw talent in to professional one is an open question to debate, we are not even talking about his performances either, it's the sheer raw talent which has push us in to this praising band wagon.
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I admit that I haven't watched him bowl, but looking at Rahat and Wahab's figures, they must have bowled really well too. It is hard for me to get excited over performances in a tournament where international failures are coming up with excellent returns as well.

If he is actually good, he will show it eventually. All I am saying is that it is not the time to get excited. If Rahat and Wahab would not have been exposed in international cricket, they would be hyped on their PSL performances as well.
 
Mamoon said:
I admit that I haven't watched him bowl, but looking at Rahat and Wahab's figures, they must have bowled really well too. It is hard for me to get excited over performances in a tournament where international failures are coming up with excellent returns as well.

If he is actually good, he will show it eventually. All I am saying is that it is not the time to get excited. If Rahat and Wahab would not have been exposed in international cricket, they would be hyped on their PSL performances as well.
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Rahat and Wahab have picked up a lot of tailender wickets.
 
Mamoon said:
I admit that I haven't watched him bowl, but looking at Rahat and Wahab's figures, they must have bowled really well too. It is hard for me to get excited over performances in a tournament where international failures are coming up with excellent returns as well.

If he is actually good, he will show it eventually. All I am saying is that it is not the time to get excited. If Rahat and Wahab would not have been exposed in international cricket, they would be hyped on their PSL performances as well.
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The hype is based on the speed gun, his ability remains to be seen, but seeing a fresh Pakistani face throwing down consistently around 90 mph deserves some excitement after the barrage of trundlers.
 
Got some nice shape( which I didn't think he could do with his action) but got carried away when he should have bowled just fast, full and straight. Some times these teams and bowlers over think.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Haris was clocked at 92.4 mph in LQ trials in Gujranwala in 2017. That is 148.7 kph.


Yesterday he clocked 148 kph twice. After over number 2 the screen showed his fastest delivery to be 148 kph and than again in his 4th over he clocked 148 kph.


Haris is exciting to watch and one for the future. But people need to calm down because he is FAST which is exciting indeed but not Express at the moment. Reactions are as if he is Express and next Shoaib or Sami interms of speed.


Next step is very important and will be the deciding factor in terms of which way he goes. And that is all technical work.



To be dead honest NCA is not well equipped neither wrt latest biomechanics equipment nor the workman force. So any attempt to change his action and run up in Non Scientific way will result in another disaster.


Waseem Khan should send Haris to any high performance centre in UK, Aus, NZ or SA and PCB should be willing to pay what they demand.



1. Haris needs to lengthen his Run Up just like what Mark Wood has done recently. He will get more momemtum which would increase speed.



2. He needs to stay perpendicular in his delivery stride. He falls abit to his left due to which


a. He loses height (Already 5'10 5'11) hence he loses bounce.


b. He is on position to be able to bowl outswingers since with this his wrist and fingers cannot align to bowl outswingers. Currently seam points towards legslip and it helps him get dip and reverse which is good from one angle only.


c. His body is not fully behind so he loses 3-5 kph.




Once he fixes these issues than he will become Express and will not just rely on pace or reverse only but he will get conventional swing or seam aswell.




Ryan Harris, Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Wood, Milne & Ferguson are all products of High Performance centres.


Only Kagiso Rabada was all Natural & gifted.



No Random tinkering with actions or runup was done. Rather there are state of the art Biomechanics equipment which analyse actions scientifically and than there are human movements experts, biomechanic experts and trained bowling Coaches which as a team make bowling actions efficient Scientifically.



At PCB you have Biomechanics equipment of Naseem Ashraf's time like 15 years old that too in LUMS and rotting from years. Redundant equipment and we have neither human movements consultants nor biomechanics experts.


It's been 2 years that the so called LAB is operational and we haven't seen a single improvement in any Pace bowler in Pakistan wrt either skillset nor speed at all levels.




Personally I would not want Aqib, Waseem, Waqar or even Shoaib to alter Haris's Action or Runup by Hit or Trial methods ie " Tuqqa analogy ".



It's a professional and scientific job these days.
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Brilliant post. Can someone please raise this with pcb @saj
 
I agree with posters that PSL is a pre-mature avenue to judge players. Especially when it has produced players like Talat and Asif Ali who are quite clearly not ready for international cricket at present. But seriously how many young Pakistani bowlers these days have the potential to bowl at 150 and regularly hover in the 140s? Our domestic cricket is literally turning into an assembly line for medium pacers. Having watched the way Haris Rauf has bowled so far I think there is a reason to be excited but I think alot ultimately hinges on how he is groomed into an international-level bowler. Raw talent can only get you so far, skill is what matters.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Haris was clocked at 92.4 mph in LQ trials in Gujranwala in 2017. That is 148.7 kph.


Yesterday he clocked 148 kph twice. After over number 2 the screen showed his fastest delivery to be 148 kph and than again in his 4th over he clocked 148 kph.


Haris is exciting to watch and one for the future. But people need to calm down because he is FAST which is exciting indeed but not Express at the moment. Reactions are as if he is Express and next Shoaib or Sami interms of speed.


Next step is very important and will be the deciding factor in terms of which way he goes. And that is all technical work.



To be dead honest NCA is not well equipped neither wrt latest biomechanics equipment nor the workman force. So any attempt to change his action and run up in Non Scientific way will result in another disaster.


Waseem Khan should send Haris to any high performance centre in UK, Aus, NZ or SA and PCB should be willing to pay what they demand.



1. Haris needs to lengthen his Run Up just like what Mark Wood has done recently. He will get more momemtum which would increase speed.



2. He needs to stay perpendicular in his delivery stride. He falls abit to his left due to which


a. He loses height (Already 5'10 5'11) hence he loses bounce.


b. He is on position to be able to bowl outswingers since with this his wrist and fingers cannot align to bowl outswingers. Currently seam points towards legslip and it helps him get dip and reverse which is good from one angle only.


c. His body is not fully behind so he loses 3-5 kph.




Once he fixes these issues than he will become Express and will not just rely on pace or reverse only but he will get conventional swing or seam aswell.




Ryan Harris, Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Wood, Milne & Ferguson are all products of High Performance centres.


Only Kagiso Rabada was all Natural & gifted.



No Random tinkering with actions or runup was done. Rather there are state of the art Biomechanics equipment which analyse actions scientifically and than there are human movements experts, biomechanic experts and trained bowling Coaches which as a team make bowling actions efficient Scientifically.



At PCB you have Biomechanics equipment of Naseem Ashraf's time like 15 years old that too in LUMS and rotting from years. Redundant equipment and we have neither human movements consultants nor biomechanics experts.


It's been 2 years that the so called LAB is operational and we haven't seen a single improvement in any Pace bowler in Pakistan wrt either skillset nor speed at all levels.




Personally I would not want Aqib, Waseem, Waqar or even Shoaib to alter Haris's Action or Runup by Hit or Trial methods ie " Tuqqa analogy ".



It's a professional and scientific job these days.
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Very well summed up.
 
I LIKE HIS PACE AND MORE SO, HIS INTENSITY, SOMETHING WHICH HAS BEEN LACKING IN PAKISTANI BOWLERS APART FROM HASAN ALI.

Can't wait to see how he develops further...and for the love of God, give him a first class season before dumping him in the international side.
 
I dont think he will do any worst than shinwari should be given chance at T20 level first.
 
Why the hype about his speed? He is not an express bowler but fast. Pakistan needs express pace bowlers.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Haris was clocked at 92.4 mph in LQ trials in Gujranwala in 2017. That is 148.7 kph.


Yesterday he clocked 148 kph twice. After over number 2 the screen showed his fastest delivery to be 148 kph and than again in his 4th over he clocked 148 kph.


Haris is exciting to watch and one for the future. But people need to calm down because he is FAST which is exciting indeed but not Express at the moment. Reactions are as if he is Express and next Shoaib or Sami interms of speed.


Next step is very important and will be the deciding factor in terms of which way he goes. And that is all technical work.



To be dead honest NCA is not well equipped neither wrt latest biomechanics equipment nor the workman force. So any attempt to change his action and run up in Non Scientific way will result in another disaster.


Waseem Khan should send Haris to any high performance centre in UK, Aus, NZ or SA and PCB should be willing to pay what they demand.



1. Haris needs to lengthen his Run Up just like what Mark Wood has done recently. He will get more momemtum which would increase speed.



2. He needs to stay perpendicular in his delivery stride. He falls abit to his left due to which


a. He loses height (Already 5'10 5'11) hence he loses bounce.


b. He is on position to be able to bowl outswingers since with this his wrist and fingers cannot align to bowl outswingers. Currently seam points towards legslip and it helps him get dip and reverse which is good from one angle only.


c. His body is not fully behind so he loses 3-5 kph.




Once he fixes these issues than he will become Express and will not just rely on pace or reverse only but he will get conventional swing or seam aswell.




Ryan Harris, Starc, Cummins, Pattinson, Wood, Milne & Ferguson are all products of High Performance centres.


Only Kagiso Rabada was all Natural & gifted.



No Random tinkering with actions or runup was done. Rather there are state of the art Biomechanics equipment which analyse actions scientifically and than there are human movements experts, biomechanic experts and trained bowling Coaches which as a team make bowling actions efficient Scientifically.



At PCB you have Biomechanics equipment of Naseem Ashraf's time like 15 years old that too in LUMS and rotting from years. Redundant equipment and we have neither human movements consultants nor biomechanics experts.


It's been 2 years that the so called LAB is operational and we haven't seen a single improvement in any Pace bowler in Pakistan wrt either skillset nor speed at all levels.




Personally I would not want Aqib, Waseem, Waqar or even Shoaib to alter Haris's Action or Runup by Hit or Trial methods ie " Tuqqa analogy ".



It's a professional and scientific job these days.
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Interesting observations, I know that Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis were playing in England at the start of their careers but did they and Shoaib Akhtar have access to these resources you're requesting for Rauf?
 
King-Misbah said:
Why the hype about his speed? He is not an express bowler but fast. Pakistan needs express pace bowlers.
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i was too not impressed with him in first match but he is getting quicker as more he is playing .first match his average speed was around at 138 in second 143 and third he did he hit 3 ball in range of 148 .so he is improving game by game which is great.
 
These are my observations on him

1. Attitude. Check. The guy likes to fight and is there up for the competition.
2. Fitness. Needs a lot of work still.
3. Speed. A few years ago, it'd be nothing to be happy about but such is the scarcity now that this looks a blessing. It needs to go up quite a bit though, int'l players aren't intimidated by 140 kph at all but in terms of where he is, I'd give it a 70%.
4. Fielding. Needs a lot of work.
5. Batting. Needs a lot of work again.

The guy has good attitude and basic ingredients but Pakistan is at least a year away. Hasn't increased his speed in one year so that shows he is already operating at his optimal so I don't believe he'll magically add 5 kph in a couple of months.

Death bowling is good but again we've to consider he's bowling to Pakistani batsmen on difficult to score wickets.

Don't think he's the breakout star of the league but in times like this he'll be hyped to the moon and back. Good on him though, the guy looks like a hardworker and a good prospect. It'll be good to have him develop more and be ready for 2020 T20 worldcup.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
These are my observations on him

1. Attitude. Check. The guy likes to fight and is there up for the competition.
2. Fitness. Needs a lot of work still.
3. Speed. A few years ago, it'd be nothing to be happy about but such is the scarcity now that this looks a blessing. It needs to go up quite a bit though, int'l players aren't intimidated by 140 kph at all but in terms of where he is, I'd give it a 70%.
4. Fielding. Needs a lot of work.
5. Batting. Needs a lot of work again.

The guy has good attitude and basic ingredients but Pakistan is at least a year away. Hasn't increased his speed in one year so that shows he is already operating at his optimal so I don't believe he'll magically add 5 kph in a couple of months.

Death bowling is good but again we've to consider he's bowling to Pakistani batsmen on difficult to score wickets.

Don't think he's the breakout star of the league but in times like this he'll be hyped to the moon and back. Good on him though, the guy looks like a hardworker and a good prospect. It'll be good to have him develop more and be ready for 2020 T20 worldcup.
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I am impressed with his accurate yorkers at 140kphs and above. We can use him for death bowling if he can continue to bowl those yorkers at will.
 
Pakhs said:
I am impressed with his accurate yorkers at 140kphs and above. We can use him for death bowling if he can continue to bowl those yorkers at will.
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That I fully agree with. His yorkers are a treat to sore eyes but int'l cricket is an altogether different beast and pitches are super batting friendly and batsmen well adept at scoops and paddle shots.

Even Umar Amin rattled him and considering our battings standards, the bar is pretty low if you let Umar Amin rattle you.

He's definitely good and exciting but fast tracking him isn't something I'd want. Young players are thrown in the arena too soon and then they fail in a couple of innings and later dumped altogether. That's why I want him to be slowly introduced to the team and it also helps him develop become a more all-round player. The guy started playing with hardball only a year ago, his fielding shows that so it's important for him to play a bit more before even thinking about playing for Pakistan.

Exciting prospect but we need to be super careful in handling him. That's my verdict on him so far.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
That I fully agree with. His yorkers are a treat to sore eyes but int'l cricket is an altogether different beast and pitches are super batting friendly and batsmen well adept at scoops and paddle shots.

Even Umar Amin rattled him and considering our battings standards, the bar is pretty low if you let Umar Amin rattle you.

He's definitely good and exciting but fast tracking him isn't something I'd want. Young players are thrown in the arena too soon and then they fail in a couple of innings and later dumped altogether. That's why I want him to be slowly introduced to the team and it also helps him develop become a more all-round player. The guy started playing with hardball only a year ago, his fielding shows that so it's important for him to play a bit more before even thinking about playing for Pakistan.

Exciting prospect but we need to be super careful in handling him. That's my verdict on him so far.
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No need to hype him too much! I dont think he is fit for tests or ODIs yet anyway. but in T20 cricket if he can bowl those yorkers we can use him just for those.
 
134, 138, 142, ?, ?, 141
136, ?, 145, 148, 141, 118, 138
146, 146, 140, 136, 141, 144
147, ?, 145, ?, 146, ?, 136

Speeds I saw today ^^ Good death overs.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Good speeds from Haris Rauf again:<br><br>144kph<br>139kph<br>142kph<br>137kph<br>148kph<br>140kph<br>147kph<br>141kph<br>143kph<br>141kph<br>142kph<br>142kph<br>148kph<br>142kph<br>144kph<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvQG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvQG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL4?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL4</a> <a href="https://t.co/vBu9FNp4ND">pic.twitter.com/vBu9FNp4ND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1099326594219470849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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He is raw may break in pressure situation. No doubt about potential develop outswing and more talent don't put him raw... spend 6 months with a dedicated coach Allan Donald.

Waqar and Aquib will ruin him Donald is among the best bowling coach. Other name Shane Bond.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] how do you rate him, I see him playing for Pakistan in an year.
 
DRsohail said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] how do you rate him, I see him playing for Pakistan in an year.
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I have seen very little of him and that too in T20. Unless he plays in FC cricket it's risky to tell. Also, T20 is about 4 overs and may be 2X2 overs spell when batsmen are after you - need to impress in 7 overs spell with may be 18-19 overs in a day.

So far, I can say that I would have liked more if he was better with new ball - there are too many PAK pacers doing damage with old ball but hardly anyone using new ball properly.
 
MMHS said:
I have seen very little of him and that too in T20. Unless he plays in FC cricket it's risky to tell. Also, T20 is about 4 overs and may be 2X2 overs spell when batsmen are after you - need to impress in 7 overs spell with may be 18-19 overs in a day.

So far, I can say that I would have liked more if he was better with new ball - there are too many PAK pacers doing damage with old ball but hardly anyone using new ball properly.
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Then cheers he can get the new ball away from a rhb
 
1st over: ?, ?, 143kph, ?, 135kph, 147kph

2nd over: 146kph, 144kph, 146kph, ?, 141kph, 145kph

3rd over : 144kph, 143kph, 144kph, 148kph, ?, 145kph, 143kph
 
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Am the only one that suspects he straightens his arm quite a bit, perhaps past the permitted limit?

This is all based on crappy tv footage ofcourse and im no expert but i wouldnt be surprised if thats one of the reasons Husnains been preferred over him.
 
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I hope he doesn’t get selected any time soon. The guy has way too much of a chip on his shoulder.

If the reports saying that he’s refused to play domestic cricket becuase he’s only interested in going straight into the national team than he shouldn’t be any where near the national team.

He has to earn his stripes like everyone else.
 
j_kazmi said:
I hope he doesn’t get selected any time soon. The guy has way too much of a chip on his shoulder.

If the reports saying that he’s refused to play domestic cricket becuase he’s only interested in going straight into the national team than he shouldn’t be any where near the national team.

He has to earn his stripes like everyone else.
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What reports?
 
j_kazmi said:
I hope he doesn’t get selected any time soon. The guy has way too much of a chip on his shoulder.

If the reports saying that he’s refused to play domestic cricket becuase he’s only interested in going straight into the national team than he shouldn’t be any where near the national team.

He has to earn his stripes like everyone else.
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Hasan ali started to show arrogance after his ct performance. Which is somewhat unpredictable. But this guy is showing attitude after 2 good matches. Lol. Imagine if he becomes pakistan's best bowler what will he do then.
 
Looked the most threatening bowler in today's match in Karachi where every bowler got spanked. He definitely needs to be tried in the national team before the WC. I think he has potential to be a great death bowler.
 
sjahmed23 said:
Looked the most threatening bowler in today's match in Karachi where every bowler got spanked. He definitely needs to be tried in the national team before the WC. I think he has potential to be a great death bowler.
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I was thinking the same thing he looks good today too and overall has been great should be in the national team set up right away like Hasnain too but I feel like Rauf should have been selected for Aussie series
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
What reports?
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A tv journalist claimed that he was offered a domestic contract from Islamabad and he declined saying that he’s only interested in getting selected for Pakistan and he’ll do that by giving good performances in the PSL.
 
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Haris Rauf has an unlikely attitude.... :facepalm:

Needs to keep his head down

There was no need to throw the ball deliberately at Delport.
 
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