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The legendary Salim Malik from Pakistan was better than tiny Tendulkar.
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Could someone from this generation dethrone Sachin Tendulkar as GOAT World Cup batter
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Edit, 1200 runs, not less by any means. Don't know how I added one extra 0, maybe symptoms of being awake late night. However, rest of all the statements are all facts, nobody has as good an average and as good a strike rate with a decent sample in ODI World Cup like the great Mr.360 has.
The minimum qualification for a WC GOAT contender has to be a WC trophy.
ADBV may have 1200+ WC runs, a good WC average and top WC SR, but sadly again, his efforts amount to zero WC wins.
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De Villiers is underrated cause he's never won a single cup due to the SA curse.
Pointing has 3 cups to boot under his name.
Ab is a class apart but he is the type who flies under the radar.
Regardless pointing is more clutch in tournaments. He's defo the greatest tournament player and captain of all time.
Don't use the atg excuse. He quite literally built the ATG side lol, like we appreciate Imran Khan for Building the 92 side but for Ricky Pointing he's just lucky to get an ATG side on his plate? And he's just media hype to be considered the best bat on that atg side?
The stupid logic of some people I swear.
Pointing has 3 cups to boot under his name.
Ab is a class apart but he is the type who flies under the radar.
Regardless pointing is more clutch in tournaments. He's defo the greatest tournament player and captain of all time.
Don't use the atg excuse. He quite literally built the ATG side lol, like we appreciate Imran Khan for Building the 92 side but for Ricky Pointing he's just lucky to get an ATG side on his plate? And he's just media hype to be considered the best bat on that atg side?
The stupid logic of some people I swear.
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When all else fails, lets talk batting position.
When all else fails use world cup final, captaincy, 2 out of 5 win come on dude. This was originally started as a generic discussion. You brought in the filters.
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Sure.
Ab De Villiers was a freak.
He was naturally talented and could have been a footballer as well.
He was a great ODI bat and he even had the ability to dead bat everything in Tests.
Look at this scorecard.
IND vs SA, South Africa tour of India 2015/16, 4th Test at Delhi, December 03 - 07, 2015 - Full Scorecard
Get cricket scorecard of 4th Test, IND vs SA, South Africa tour of India 2015/16 at Feroz Shah Kotla, Delhi dated December 03 - 07, 2015.
His problem was he often got bored of what he could do.
Thats why his career never became what could have been.
He is a only a footnote in World Cups because he underachieved hugely.
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Pointing has thrashed a prime killer South Africa bowling unit, he has thrashed all bowling sides across the globe lol, he's not a nothing player.
Gilly and hayden built platforms, Pointing didn't just come and bat like imam or babar on their merry way, he expanded those platforms to epic proportions. Prime Australia was belting 350 scores even a 400 once in an era where 260 was considered a goat score. He's a legend player.
Also can we please stop with the running and Pointing was lucky. He built his ATG side, it wasn't given to him because God decided he was cricket Jesus.
Same way Imran Khan built his side, and the same way misbah and Babar destroyed their sides lol.
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Okay if you say so. But don't say good WC average. It is a great WC average.
Hence, to conclude, ABDV has 1200+ WC runs( look the 0s are correct this time), absolutely astonishing average and heartwrenching strike rate but since he doesn't have WC win which is constituted of 11 members, he is a footnote in WC.
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It was you who said "good an average", I was merely repeating your words - here, with bold emphasis. (even though you changed your words above).
You must be getting tired!
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Didn't know 1999 world cup was under the leadership of Ponting lol Also Australia achieved 16 test win streak later. Punter did not become captain until 2002. So Punter in under one year made a world cup winning side into a world cup winning side Some reach
Some reach The greatest players in the world ever have performed in the final of a World Cup.
Viv
Imran
Miandad
Inzi
Wasim Akram
Aravinda de Silva
Ponting
Warne
McGrath
Gilchrist
Dhoni
Tendulkar has had 2 cracks and failed both times - you can argue off day etc. fact is, he had chances and failed twice! He doesn’t belong in that company
Viv
Imran
Miandad
Inzi
Wasim Akram
Aravinda de Silva
Ponting
Warne
McGrath
Gilchrist
Dhoni
Tendulkar has had 2 cracks and failed both times - you can argue off day etc. fact is, he had chances and failed twice! He doesn’t belong in that company
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Steve Waugh built the white ball side, not Ponting. Ponting inherited it. He had the amazing do or die attitude which allowed him to win ruthlessly but he wasn't the one who built the side. No doubt he is an ATG player and has tremendous record vs top teams too, never denied that. I was only talking about that knock which was against a below par bowling attack.
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Gambhir > Miandad/Imran/Inzamam there is nothing debatable there.
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Miandad played a poor knock multiple times in World Cup.
1992 vs India
1992 final( rescued by Wasim and Imran)
1996 Quarter Final
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Mohinder Amranath had a great semi final and final. 3 for 12 in final and made 25 runs in a low scoring game
3 for 12 in final and made 25 runs in a low scoring game
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Now you are definitely trolling.
Gambhir is a footnote in Indian history let alone World Cups.
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It was a case of Inspite of Miandad rather than Because of. Same with Imran
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He starred in 2 finals. Wt20 final and WCup final. Definitely not a footnote.
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This Final filter is a funny filter
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That is completly false. He inherited it, but he didn't stick with the whole team for 7+ years.
He's been responsible for building multiple multiple players during his Reign.
Also that below par bowling attack got the team to the finals. That team bowled England put for 168, Sri lanka out for 109, NZ out for 146.
And don't call these teams weak batting lineups, cause ill show you who they scored against and who was on the team.
They weren't bad bowlers at all(albeit no where near as strong as current 2023 Indian bowlers)
Pointing played a Gladitor knock, plain and simple.
This surmises everything perfectly. No hating. It's the truth. Can't refute this.
In saying that, Sachin dint have the potential bowling of Australia or pakistan in 99 or 2003 and prior. They only had a good attack in 2011 and now obviously.
That's the only mitigating factor.
I said the greatest players - meaning all of those players I mentioned have proved their greatness throughout their career. The World Cup final performances put a rubber stamp on it and showed not only could they do it throughout their careers, but when the toughest pressure was on, when they weee given their moment, they performed. Cometh the hour, cometh the man kind of thing.
Poor little Gambhir wasn’t a great to begin with so he doesn’t belong in that company. However, big up to him for standing up in those moments. I despise the guy but fair play for those performances
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Babar Azam scored 32 in last year's WC final. Also scored 46 in a winning CT final. Bobby > Tendulkar
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The Indian attack was okayish on helpful wickets but pretty dismal on flat belters.
Also, by your logic, The Windies attack of 2015 wasn't bad either as it bowled out Pakistan for 160. Now, what you say?
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Inzamam's batting average in 2003 world cup3.20 He scored 6, 0, 6, 4, 0 in 5 innings. So his 30 plus runs in final will cover all the later failures in other world cups.? Dude if we start using different filters we can make anyone look good or bad. You shouldn't just use the odd final runs you should also use the failures in their career. India went to next round in 1983 because of Kapil's 175. Otherwise they would have exited. In every world cup there are some crunch matches. Failing there also is also a blot.
Inzi average 22.50 in 1992 world cup.
1996 48.33
1999 31.75
2002 3.16
2007 24.66
Lot of failures.
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Both West Indies and Pakistan were knocked out in the QFs 2015, both teams were as bad as each other.
We are talking about 2 WC finalists teams in 2003 - India and Australia.
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The desperation has ramped up, now Inzi gets a mention from Tendulkar fans despite no Pakistan fan in this thread claiming Inzi is a WC GOAT contender.
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But that was due to Indian batting, not bowling.
and I’ve criticised Inzi for those failures too, but the World Cup semi and final performances no one can take from him. Nice rubber stamp
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The difference is, Australian attack and the other sides were all good.
2015 pakistan was the weakest team in the tournament besides minnows and 2015 England lol.
Even against Ireland, our side was falling apart, sarfraz and Umar akmal at the back end were keeping things together.
With the exception of sarfraz, only other batters who could play properly in Australian conditions was misbah who always scores soft runs and umar akmal who's a brainless bat and can't stay for long.
Shehzad, YK, were horrible, Jamshed couldn't even score 5 runs, that's how bad the form was.
Ireland would have smoked our team if it wasn't for sarfraz.
In CT 2013 before we played ct we played Scotland and ireland, their bowling smacked us in the series and we only won cause their batting is even worse but understandable, their a minnow.
2003 India's bowling would have murked us.
People don't remember how bad 2013-2015 pakistan were,
Everyone here who supports hypocrite misbah, misbah himself in an interview burst into anger, when questioned by interviewers why misbah doesn't bat at no 3 because his 90 ball 50's don't help at no 5.
Misbah literally said he bats at no 5 because a collapse happens and the whole team sucks, if he batted at no 3, then he can't defend at the lower order. Our precious captain is saying the entore batting team is terrible, only to later say ahmed shezad and asad shafiq are goats.
Don't bring up 2015 pakistan, 2015 pakistan would have gotten the 2013 treatment if it wasn't for sarfi and wahab. I remember the commentators literally said that if sarfraz departs early against Australia in the quater final then game over because pakistan literally do not have any other batsmen, their tail starts at opening
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India played in 10 matches in 2003 WC.
5 of them won by bowling out the opposition.
3 of them won by chasing.
2 of them lost.
Not bowling you say?
Highly unlikely. I think realistically only one player from the current lot can make it to #2 - was surprised to look at Shakib's number. Thought it would be Virat or something - He still could but not with his current form. still highly unlikely but possibly number 3. But to dethrone Tendulkar will almost likely won't happen, ever. Don't forget, teams are playing less 50 over cricket these days, and quite possibly at one point, 50 over cricket might die out so Tendulkar will take that number till the end of time.
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The difference is, Australian attack and the other sides were all good.
2015 pakistan was the weakest team in the tournament besides minnows and 2015 England lol.
Even against Ireland, our side was falling apart, sarfraz and Umar akmal at the back end were keeping things together.
With the exception of sarfraz, only other batters who could play properly in Australian conditions was misbah who always scores soft runs and umar akmal who's a brainless bat and can't stay for long.
Shehzad, YK, were horrible, Jamshed couldn't even score 5 runs, that's how bad the form was.
Ireland would have smoked our team if it wasn't for sarfraz.
In CT 2013 before we played ct we played Scotland and ireland, their bowling smacked us in the series and we only won cause their batting is even worse but understandable, their a minnow.
2003 India's bowling would have murked us.
People don't remember how bad 2013-2015 pakistan were,
Everyone here who supports hypocrite misbah, misbah himself in an interview burst into anger, when questioned by interviewers why misbah doesn't bat at no 3 because his 90 ball 50's don't help at no 5.
Misbah literally said he bats at no 5 because a collapse happens and the whole team sucks, if he batted at no 3, then he can't defend at the lower order. Our precious captain is saying the entore batting team is terrible, only to later say ahmed shezad and asad shafiq are goats.
Don't bring up 2015 pakistan, 2015 pakistan would have gotten the 2013 treatment if it wasn't for sarfi and wahab. I remember the commentators literally said that if sarfraz departs early against Australia in the quater final then game over because pakistan literally do not have any other batsmen, their tail starts at opening
To put it into perspective this is the batting lineup we played against the West indies
1) Nasir jamshed ( Who averaged 1.5 in the whole tourney lol)
2) Ahmed Shehzad ( who was a spent Force, not that his prime was any better, max you'd get match losing runs from him, in an era where de Villiers was tanking 350 scores single handidely)
3) YK ( Possibly one of the worst no 3's to ever represent pakistan cricket, he was memed for being a legendary test bat but a failure of an odi bat)
4) Misbah ul haq ( Literally doesn't score when needed, and if he does score then his 40 of 80's don't help anyone)
5/6/7) Maqsood, Umar akmal and Afridi
Maqsood and Afridi were has-beens in 2015 so it was basically the equivalent of playing 2 asif ali's in the middle order. As for umar akmal, everyone knew his time was up in 2015. He was goated in 2009, and he kept going downhill from their, in 2015 he's nothing more then a tailending pinch hitter.
Our batting was the worst in the entire tournament and was garbo, Only sarfi was good when he came.
If sarfraz had gotten out against Ireland early, then judging by how misbah, YK, Sohaib maqsood did, we'd be stuck with umar akmal and afridi batting. Afridi is defo departing early given his WC 2015 form and the tail with rahat Ali, Wahab Riaz etc, Ya Allah khair.
Sarfi and wahab won us these 2 matches, West indies bowling us out means nothing when we this line up ain't even functioning against Scotland or kenya barring Sarfraz.
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It is tragic to see haters undermine Ponting's knock in 2003 final. Even more tragic when some believes stats alone are a qualification for GOAT contender.
Cricket ODI GOAT contenders must have a World Cup win under their belt.
No one talks about a GOAT in basketball without NBA championship wins.
No one talks about a GOAT in Tennis without Grand Slam wins.
No one talks about a GOAT in Football without World Cup wins.
The GOAT pattern throughout sports goes on, but no, only on PP do we have fans who think batting averages and strike rates of footnote players are enough to be included in a WC GOAT debate.
Cricket ODI GOAT contenders must have a World Cup win under their belt.
No one talks about a GOAT in basketball without NBA championship wins.
No one talks about a GOAT in Tennis without Grand Slam wins.
No one talks about a GOAT in Football without World Cup wins.
The GOAT pattern throughout sports goes on, but no, only on PP do we have fans who think batting averages and strike rates of footnote players are enough to be included in a WC GOAT debate.
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Punter scored only at wanderers and supersporsparkwhere Australia scored 300 plus mostly. 331 runs in 4 innings he made. In slightly lower scoring venues Punter made 46 runs in 5 innings at anaverage of 9.20 with a strike rate of 52.
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To be fair, no one considers Waqar Younis the GOAT of WC.
Nor Inzi.
The best of WC for Pakistan is simply Imran or Wasim.
Rest don't even matter.
Tendulkar is a brilliant player and the best batsmen of the generation.
But he is not the best ever player in a World Cup.
It is that simple.
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Waqar is his favorite bowler.
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That would be Glenn McGrath for me, as a player that is.
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Imo waqar is a bit overrated as a bowler. Bumrah is superior tbh.
Wasim > Bumrah > Waqar
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Are you forgetting that it was sachin who carried India to the final by scoring 673 runs, they wouldn't even be there without him. And he was man of the match against Pakistan in 3 different world cups, so much for being the choker. Viv richards chocked against India and failed in 2 wc finals despite playing for an atg windies team. No worries though, you can keep on hating sachin but that won't change the fact that no palistani batsman is even top 20 in wc history.
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He conveniently doesn't remember that his hero played 2 WC matches against India in his career, and choked in both those matches. Got the beating of his life by Ajay Jadeja in the 96' WC, got the beating of his life by Tendulkar in the 03' WC.
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In my opinion, it is very difficult to compare players from different generations, as they have faced different challenges and opportunities. But still if we have to name a player then for me it would have been Ab De Villiers or Kohli.
Exactly, the usual line of Waqar - Waqar can be a favourite, but we don’t consider Waqar the GOAT of anything never mind the World Cup.
This is what you guys don’t understand. Viv can fail in 2 world cups finals, Inzi can fail in multiple world cups but you can’t take away what they did in 1979 and 1992.
I honestly do not understand the Indian obsession with trying to prove little sachin is the best at everything. You have players who have stood up like Dhoni. Celebrate them instead of wasting your energy about the little mister
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Sachin was the top scorer of 3 different world cups and scored almost 500 runs when India won it in 2011. Inzi had an average of 22 in wcs btw, he was a tailender on the biggest stage. Failed miserably in the 99 wc too.
Read my previous post. You’re not convincing me.
Side note, love the username! Quality
Gambir is better than kohli. He helped india win titles.
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Tendulkar was incredibly consistent in world cups. I think still to this date, he is the only man to top score two separate world cups. He was 2nd highest run scorer in 2011 when he was almost 40.
No one can come close to his longevity, consistency and work ethic.
GOAT for a reason.
No one can come close to his longevity, consistency and work ethic.
GOAT for a reason.
We best india in aaaanne do series though prior to 2013 champions trophy in india.The difference is, Australian attack and the other sides were all good.
2015 pakistan was the weakest team in the tournament besides minnows and 2015 England lol.
Even against Ireland, our side was falling apart, sarfraz and Umar akmal at the back end were keeping things together.
With the exception of sarfraz, only other batters who could play properly in Australian conditions was misbah who always scores soft runs and umar akmal who's a brainless bat and can't stay for long.
Shehzad, YK, were horrible, Jamshed couldn't even score 5 runs, that's how bad the form was.
Ireland would have smoked our team if it wasn't for sarfraz.
In CT 2013 before we played ct we played Scotland and ireland, their bowling smacked us in the series and we only won cause their batting is even worse but understandable, their a minnow.
2003 India's bowling would have murked us.
People don't remember how bad 2013-2015 pakistan were,
Everyone here who supports hypocrite misbah, misbah himself in an interview burst into anger, when questioned by interviewers why misbah doesn't bat at no 3 because his 90 ball 50's don't help at no 5.
Misbah literally said he bats at no 5 because a collapse happens and the whole team sucks, if he batted at no 3, then he can't defend at the lower order. Our precious captain is saying the entore batting team is terrible, only to later say ahmed shezad and asad shafiq are goats.
Don't bring up 2015 pakistan, 2015 pakistan would have gotten the 2013 treatment if it wasn't for sarfi and wahab. I remember the commentators literally said that if sarfraz departs early against Australia in the quater final then game over because pakistan literally do not have any other batsmen, their tail starts at opening
To be fair to Sachin, apart from 2003 and 2011 bowling of India wasn't up to par. In those 2 tournaments they had a good attack. Obviously no where near as strong as current india but in the 90s era he had a very weak bowling attack to support him.
That's the only mitigating factor for Sachin. Trust me no matter which attack you put out against that 2003 team, they will get blasted into smithereens
Prime Alan Donald got blasted, so did many others like pollock, wasim etc.
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That 2012 team was superior to our 2015 team. Chucking ajmal, and junaid Khan were damn near unplayable, Junaid was a
bowler but after his injury he was no longer the same.We also had Azhar Ali who did decently well and scored a match winning knock in the 2nd odi, Nasir jamshed also managed once in a blue moon performance that day. Hafeez also did well and in 2012 he fancied Indian attacks scoring a record breaking 100 partnership in Asia cup at the time before it was broken by falhar and imam against Zimbabwe.
The 2015 team has terrible bowlers like ehsan adil, Rahat ali, Sohail khan lol, only wahab riaz who while terrible in limited overs bowling is a killer world cup bowler and top tier.
Hafeez was dropped from the side, same with ajmal so only afridi was the spin bowler lol.
Batting wise we had nasir jamshed and Ahmed shehzad, and YK at 3. All 3 of these guys are medicore but in 2015 these guys were so out of form that they couldn't even perform against minnows lol.
Sohaib maqsood, umar akmal and afridi were so out of form, the middle order was basically the equivalent of playing 3 asif ali's in the middle, basically one or 2 sixes and then Allah hafiz.
2015 team was garbo, and don't get me started on the 2013 team that struggled against Scotland and ireland lol, that team was even worse with Imran farhat, jamshed, asad shafiq , Hafeez(at the top order), and umar amin as our front line batters XD. Only Chucking ajmal and hafeez was the saving grace, otherwise the bowling unit was garbo in that series, no bowlers besides these 2, the rest were terrible.
That 2012 team was superior to our 2015 team. Chucking ajmal, and junaid Khan were damn near unplayable, Junaid was a
We also had Azhar Ali who did decently well and scored a match winning knock in the 2nd odi, Nasir jamshed also managed once in a blue moon performance that day. Hafeez also did well and in 2012 he fancied Indian attacks scoring a record breaking 100 partnership in Asia cup at the time before it was broken by falhar and imam against Zimbabwe.
The 2015 team has terrible bowlers like ehsan adil, Rahat ali, Sohail khan lol, only wahab riaz who while terrible in limited overs bowling is a killer world cup bowler and top tier.
Hafeez was dropped from the side, same with ajmal so only afridi was the spin bowler lol.
Batting wise we had nasir jamshed and Ahmed shehzad, and YK at 3. All 3 of these guys are medicore but in 2015 these guys were so out of form that they couldn't even perform against minnows lol.
Sohaib maqsood, umar akmal and afridi were so out of form, the middle order was basically the equivalent of playing 3 asif ali's in the middle, basically one or 2 sixes and then Allah hafiz.
2015 team was garbo, and don't get me started on the 2013 team that struggled against Scotland and ireland lol, that team was even worse with Imran farhat, jamshed, asad shafiq , Hafeez(at the top order), and umar amin as our front line batters XD. Only Chucking ajmal and hafeez was the saving grace, otherwise the bowling unit was garbo in that series, no bowlers besides these 2, the rest were
Lol yea. Agreed. Chucking ajmal was sooooo good.
The way he made Shane Watson look silly. Bamboozled him ha.
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I notice a new flurry of Indian supporters as the WC begins! The more the merrier!
As for Tendulkar's tally of WC runs, yeah, blistering performances against Kenya and Namibia, representing 18% of his WC runs in total and I am only including centuries vs associate level teams in this calculation.
As for MoM vs Pakistan, so what? Keep those medals, Tendulkar would swap those medals for WCs without hesitation. Then again, despite all the claims, the only WC innings that anyone remembers, including one from Tendulkar worshippers, are against Pakistan.
This is proof that Tendulkar was an average player in the WCs and his WC run tally was bolstered through associate/minnow level bashing.
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Its unbelievable isn't it that its 2023 and Pakistani fans still bitter on Tendulkar just bcoz they couldn't produce anyone like him. Even though every expert, every analyst, Sir Don himself rated him the best ever....our dear neighbours are still hell bent on discrediting him. I remember participating in these debates decades ago about how Sachin is a choker, how Ahmed Sehzad had more talent than Sachin ever had etc etc. Nothing has changed...the great man still haunt people even after retiring over a decade.
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Very tough, Sachin bossed two world cups, 1996 and 2003 and finished close second behind Dilshan in 2011 WC. Did well as an 18 year old in 1992, winning man of the match against Imran's side.
3 great world cups, 1 good out of 6 played. Don't see any modern day player who can play 5-6 world cups, too much distraction and allure for easy money.
3 great world cups, 1 good out of 6 played. Don't see any modern day player who can play 5-6 world cups, too much distraction and allure for easy money.
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Take away those runs and he was still the highest run scorer in the wc by far. Scored 97&98 against sri Lanka and minnow nation pak. And if a guy who scored 2000 runs and was top scorer in 2 different world cups was an average player, then every pakistani batsman must ever must be a downright horrible wc player. And you seem to forget that sachin has the same amount of wc medals as your entire country lol, talking about wc when you haven't touched one since 1992 is so funny lol. Attacking tendu when your best ever batsman had a tailenders avg in wcs. He was man of the match against Pakistan in World cups thrice and still won the same amount of wcs as your country, I say he was pretty happy.
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Number of runs do not matter, it's when you score the runs that matter otherwise Chanderpaul would be a GOAT contender in Tests alone.
You can talk about 6 World Cups, fact is Tendulkar failed in 6 WCs, and more importantly in 2 finals, and only WC he won was courtesy of his team mate's in 2011. Tendulkar doesn't eve qualify as a paying passenger on team India, more like a fare evader.
There's a reason why not a single one on Tendulkar's WC centuries is rated high, not even before 2000, cos he was a serial loser and a minnow basher in WCs, which is why all you have is a WC performance vs Pakistan to defend him.
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The GOAT world cup batter that choked at the biggest world cup match, not once but twice. Hilarious.
Sachin isn't even the best world cup batter from India. Let's not even bring in the likes of Ponting, Gilly, Stokes, etc.
Sachin isn't even the best world cup batter from India. Let's not even bring in the likes of Ponting, Gilly, Stokes, etc.
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In what world is stokes better than a guy who scored 2000 wc runs and was top scorer in 2 different world cups. Gilchrist failed in every semis he eve played in, he was just lucky that he had a team good enough to carry him to finals. And which Indian batter was better than tendu in wcs? Using your logic, madan lal and zaheer are far better wc bowlers than waqar and shoaib. And gambhir is a better wc batsman than miandad, anwar and inzi
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Sachin scored 486 runs when India won the wc, he scored centuries against South Africa and England and 85 against Pakistan in the semis. He was India's best player after yuvraj. How was he a passenger?Number of runs do not matter, it's when you score the runs that matter otherwise Chanderpaul would be a GOAT contender in Tests alone.
You can talk about 6 World Cups, fact is Tendulkar failed in 6 WCs, and more importantly in 2 finals, and only WC he won was courtesy of his team mate's in 2011. Tendulkar doesn't eve qualify as a paying passenger on team India, more like a fare evader.
There's a reason why not a single one on Tendulkar's WC centuries is rated high, not even before 2000, cos he was a serial loser and a minnow basher in WCs, which is why all you have is a WC performance vs Pakistan to defend him.
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486 runs? So? Just remember, Tendulkar failed in 5 WCs, and the 6th WC where he did win the trophy was simply because Pakistan dropped him 5 times in the SF - that 85 you refer to! Yet the audacity to call Tendulkar an impact player.
So, you must thank Pakistan for fulfilling Tendulkar's childhood dream in 2011.
And yes, Tendulkar was a fare evading passenger according to the logic of other Tendulkar hardcore fans in this thread who refer to Ponting as a passenger of the ATG Aussie team. Read their logic and you will understand why Tendulkar was a fare evading passenger.
Side note, Tendulkar's first ever international game was playing FOR Pakistan. Look it up.
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Ponting wasn't a passenger, anyone who says that is ridiculous, he was the best batsman of that atg Aussie team. And it's not tendus fault that Pakistan doesn't know how to catch properly, his 85 was the reason why India won that match. But calling a guy who had to carry a country with mediocre bowlers in almost every wc a chocker or a passanger is unfair, for most of his career he was playing with bums. Tendulkar scored a 50 in every semi final that he played in, India would be nowhere without him. And I know that Pakistanis have big hearts, and I respect their cricketing legacy, team and players but I don't why so many of your fans have a strange, irrational hatred towards him that you don't have for other lesser players.
486 runs? So? Just remember, Tendulkar failed in 5 WCs, and the 6th WC where he did win the trophy was simply because Pakistan dropped him 5 times in the SF - that 85 you refer to! Yet the audacity to call Tendulkar an impact player.
So, you must thank Pakistan for fulfilling Tendulkar's childhood dream in 2011.
And yes, Tendulkar was a fare evading passenger according to the logic of other Tendulkar hardcore fans in this thread who refer to Ponting as a passenger of the ATG Aussie team. Read their logic and you will understand why Tendulkar was a fare evading passenger.
Side note, Tendulkar's first ever international game was playing FOR Pakistan. Look it up.
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Good, now go pull up Tendulkar fans in this thread who believe this, and the posters who try to undermine Ponting's contribution in the WCs.
No one hates Tendulkar, just because someone disagrees with the claim he is a God and all, doesn't make them a hater. Pakistan fans do not hate Indian players either, you will read on this thread many Pakistan fans hold Indian players in high regard, but when it comes to Tendulkar, he is quite frankly over-rated IMO and put on a pedestal because he made India famous after Gandhi.
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Fair enough, I personally disagree with you about sachin being overrated but that's fine.
I do agree that hardcore sachin fans try to undermine other players a lot to big him up, because calling ponting a passanger is ridiculous
I do agree that hardcore sachin fans try to undermine other players a lot to big him up, because calling ponting a passanger is ridiculous
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Tendulkar in my view is not the King of the World Cup. He played so many of them so its natural he scored so many runs.
ABDV averages higher than him and proportionally his century rate is higher as well. So does Richards.
I think those two names come before Tendulkar if you want to call someone the "King" of world cups.
ABDV averages higher than him and proportionally his century rate is higher as well. So does Richards.
I think those two names come before Tendulkar if you want to call someone the "King" of world cups.
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Posters on this forum are extremely harsh and unforgiving towards some players and extremely biased towards others just because the other 10 players in their team helped them win the World Cup.
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People often forget that those players have goat team at their disposal, Sachin had great settled team in 2011 and they one that wc..
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One player that is very likely to lit up this world cup is Shubhman Gill.
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After reading some posts I'm convinced joginder Sharma is greater than the likes of Akhtar & Asif.. after all only a wc final is mattered.. other non-final matches doesn't matter at all..
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Did you not see the 2019 WC final? I don't think you understand the point of the world cup. Smashing centuries against Bangladesh and Kenya doesn't make you special. Doing it on the biggest stage and winning your team the cup is what matters.
Miandad and Inzamam were both crucial to the 1992 world cup win so no, Gambhir isn't a better world cup performer than those two. He may very well be better than Anwar, Kohli or Sachin though.
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Sachin failed in the final though and had to be gifted four chances to not fail in that semi-final as well.
How is he the GOAT world cup performer?
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If wc final is the only thing that matters than madan lal is better than imran, waqar and shoaib
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Tendulkar top-scoring in three WCs, in three diff decades .. that's GOAT material if you ask me.
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Sachin scored centuries against South Africa, England and a world Cup winning sri Lankan team so this logic makes 0 sense. Sachin had a much bigger contribution to 2011 wc than inzi or minadad, he almost scored 500 runs and made 50s in the quarters and semis. Miandad played a slow dull innings in the final and lost Pakistan two wc matches against India because of his slow batting. Gambhir had a far better innings in a wc final than both of them so by your logic he is better than them. Finals are not the only matches that take place, semis and quarters count too. Mohinder amarnaath is a better wc performer than any pakistani bowler using the finals logic
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He scored 85 and was the man of the match, not his fault Pakistan didn't know how to catch
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Obviously Sachin was a great world cup batter overall but when you're talking about the GOAT, you have to nitpick and him failing in not one but two world cup finals puts him behind the likes of Ponting and Gilly.
That slow, dull innings from Miandad set the stage for a good score and it was very important. That wasn't the flat Mumbai pitch where the Indian batsmen couldn't fail if they tried.
No Indian bowler comes close to Wasim in world cup performances. Don't be ridiculous.
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I fail to understand how Gilchrist who failed in multiple semis and never really dominated a world cup, can be called the goat. Ponting has a case, but not Gilchrist.
And if we are strictly talking about world cup finals, then mohindar amarnath and madan lal had a better performance than any pakistani bowler.
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Mohindar and Madan did not. Wasim had the better world cup final performance.
Gilchrist isn't the GOAT but neither is Sachin.
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Not True
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If virat kohli plays another 3 years so for sure he will break his records.
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