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Gubol123

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Just like how it happened to India and Pakistan in Hockey, cricket has fundamentally changed in the last two decades..

1) Test matches used to be won by Bowlers - Most of the great teams had great bowlers. WI in their peak, Australia and England in their peak had world beating bowlers who can win matches under most of the circumstances. That worked to Pakistan favor. Pakistan always had a great bowling culture. They won matches. But in the last few decades financial considerations have led boards to prepare flat pitches which help extend the test matches to the fifth day. This means teams need to have good batsman who can put up big scores and good enough bowlers who can persist for long stretches.

2) Matches being played longer means players need to have better fitness. Pakistan team always had poor fitness culture. it was okay in the era when you can have substitute runners, resting in the dressing room after each spell, poor fielding efforts and matches getting over in four days. With flat wickets and teams spending more time on the field, this poor fitness culture is hitting Pakistan hard

3) Pakistan also benefited a lot by having lots of young players starting at a young age. this used to work earlier with much less cricket being played and less scrutiny on them. Now with cricket being played all around the year, having half cooked players making their international debut is not an advantage. Sami, Babar, Aamer (in his second stint) all would benefit by having longer first class experience before coming to play at international level

4) More cameras and bigger focus on bowling actions have also had their impact. Players who made merry with dodgy actions and questionable antics are weeded out.

unless Pakistan finds ways to adjust to this new batting focused cricket played by fitness freaks on flat pitches for five days it stands to lose in the long term
 
But why were things not being pointed out after the england tour
 
because we were thankful to England batting stars gifting their wickets to Yasir Shah's straight ones.

Sure just like the Australians are thankful tonight that we couldn't play out two sessions. Or perhaps as thankful as the Sri Lankans who had Australian batsmen missing straighter ones.
 
Just a typical overreaction from Pakistan fans after a series loss.

I understand the frustration. People are looking for some big picture narrative when something so shocking happens.
 
I understand the frustration. People are looking for some big picture narrative when something so shocking happens.

Nothing shocking about Pakistan losing in Australia. It has been happening for a very long time. For those that expected anything else were delusional.
 
Nothing shocking about Pakistan losing in Australia. It has been happening for a very long time. For those that expected anything else were delusional.

To be honest, I did not expect what happened today, even though, we had been collapsing quite regularly over the last few months.
 
this will continue to happen until Pakistan adapts to batting culture, improves fitness so they can be competitive on all five days, improves its first class structure so that players spend more time before making international debut
 
To be honest, I did not expect what happened today, even though, we had been collapsing quite regularly over the last few months.

Tbh I did. I was hoping for Australia to bat for as long as possible because I knew that our batting collapse would be on the cards. I went to sleep when Sami got out and woke up to my worst nightmare that we have collapsed and lost as I expected.
 
Test matches are still won by bowlers. It's a matter of immense concern that when Yasir doesn't fire, it looks impossible for this side to get 20 wickets.
 
Tbh I did. I was hoping for Australia to bat for as long as possible because I knew that our batting collapse would be on the cards. I went to sleep when Sami got out and woke up to my worst nightmare that we have collapsed and lost as I expected.

But I think objectively, we have to ask the question...why are these collapses happening so regularly over the last 6 months: at ebdgbaston, last test in west indies, second test in new zealand, and now here.
Basically we have mickey arthur as coach, and I am not suggesting he is the cause of it, but there has to be a logical explanation. And it has nothing to do with the conditions. Because in each of these matches we had mastered the batting conditions.
 
Test matches are still won by taking 20 wickets. Pakistan bowling is becoming just one man attack. If Yasir does well then Pakistan gets 20 wickets to win matches. If he fails then bowling attack hardly does anything.
 
But I think objectively, we have to ask the question...why are these collapses happening so regularly over the last 6 months: at ebdgbaston, last test in west indies, second test in new zealand, and now here.
Basically we have mickey arthur as coach, and I am not suggesting he is the cause of it, but there has to be a logical explanation. And it has nothing to do with the conditions. Because in each of these matches we had mastered the batting conditions.

I think Micky has a lot to answer for. He hasn't impressed me much as a coach so far.
 
But why were things not being pointed out after the england tour

I explained that - you can check my post on Arthur's Coaching thread.

This is a settled Test team for last 5/6 years which is still very good in their favored condition. But, this team is officially 31 years of average age, you add your figure to that average - mine is 35. What happens is that, at this age, by every day you start to decay - unfortunately NZ/AUS series has come to the breaking point.

This is not new in cricket - if there is a settled unit, often you suffer a generation gap. Visionary Captains & boards do phase out players gradually to cover that. For a 16 member team, you should have 1/4th new players, 1/4th senior players & half of the team at their prime which is either side of 29. Batting is still not that big a problem, if you take out 89 years out of it by dropping just 2 - but, this team, has 4 pacers in mid to late 30s - it was bound to happen.

In ENG, apart from Yasir, new ball did some damage - when it didn't, it was floodgate for Yasir. In AUS, floodgate started from new ball hence this situation. We can blame batting for the collapse, but after almost 450 in 1st innings at MCG, you don't bowl like that & more than lack of ability, it's lack of steam for me. Take this 4 men attack to ENG next year, it'll be 4-0 or 4-1 - trust me. I can give you one clue - check what Poms bottom half did last summer once the pacers had finished their 2nd spell - same tail was in shambles in IND, will be even more in AUS next year.

AUS loaded their batting top top 4 in 1, 2, 3 & 4 - it's bound to happen.
 
Its not the end of the world ppl...
We will be up and running in no time...
 
Its not the end of the world ppl...
We will be up and running in no time...

What just happened, let me break it down for you bro - the Pak pushed the aussie onto his knees and then turned his back, the aussie got up and grabbed the pak by his pretty hair and throat then face planted him onto the ground, he then put his boot on the Pak throat and crushed the windpipe repeatedly!

You tell me how you going to get up from that pathetic and epic capitulation that only our cowards are capable of on the world stage??!!!

I honestly knew this was on the cards (like many others here) as soon as there was talk of a rain curtailed game) - only Pak has been capable of such despicable acts of abject surrender!
 
I explained that - you can check my post on Arthur's Coaching thread.

This is a settled Test team for last 5/6 years which is still very good in their favored condition. But, this team is officially 31 years of average age, you add your figure to that average - mine is 35. What happens is that, at this age, by every day you start to decay - unfortunately NZ/AUS series has come to the breaking point.

This is not new in cricket - if there is a settled unit, often you suffer a generation gap. Visionary Captains & boards do phase out players gradually to cover that. For a 16 member team, you should have 1/4th new players, 1/4th senior players & half of the team at their prime which is either side of 29. Batting is still not that big a problem, if you take out 89 years out of it by dropping just 2 - but, this team, has 4 pacers in mid to late 30s - it was bound to happen.

In ENG, apart from Yasir, new ball did some damage - when it didn't, it was floodgate for Yasir. In AUS, floodgate started from new ball hence this situation. We can blame batting for the collapse, but after almost 450 in 1st innings at MCG, you don't bowl like that & more than lack of ability, it's lack of steam for me. Take this 4 men attack to ENG next year, it'll be 4-0 or 4-1 - trust me. I can give you one clue - check what Poms bottom half did last summer once the pacers had finished their 2nd spell - same tail was in shambles in IND, will be even more in AUS next year.

AUS loaded their batting top top 4 in 1, 2, 3 & 4 - it's bound to happen.

I broadly understand your point, but I think we need to separate the tactical issues from the strategic.
On the tactical side - collapsing in a session or session and a half (edgbaston, windies third test, nz second test, Melbourne) is not not normal...especially if you consider that the Pakistani batting had mastered these conditions. This was just old fashioned pressure. And that to me is not a problem defined by average age of team. Its just freezing when the collapse is on (I will come back to this point later).
On the strategic issue of the bowling composition: you know well that our last six months have been very busy. Basically Arthur has had no time to go see the domestic contenders in action (he is reliant here completely on inzi's panel). Typically, what happens in a scenario like this is that the team management chooses a safety first approach to selection (eg why are rahat, nawaz, and shafiq in the odi line up? because better to go with the devil i know vs, I don't plus the fact that they assume it will difficult for a new player to acclimatize to ANZ. So assuming, Arthur has the heart for the job (and the PCB is not very good at managing employee anxiety) he will get to see a lot of players with inzi after the Oz tour.

Now on to the first point i made about the collapses. I think Misbah's approach to cricket has always been absorb the pressure and take no risk until you get it to a situation where the opposition is either tired or feeling the same pressure as you (but you are set) and then you can attack. While I think it is a good approach because it teaches you how to absorb pressure (like Azhar is doing now) it can also shatter you as a player if you have failures at the last hurdle (eg., second test in NZ).

I think the average of the team will go down as Misbah is on his way out and Yk will follow soon. What I would like the next captain to do is, perhaps try to repel the pressure by some aggression up front (not Afridi style). Maybe Mickey wanted to do that with Babar Azam and it hasn't worked so far. But I hope they back him to play his game. I also wouldnt mind seeing sharjeel there. But I am clear that I dont want sami aslam to go just yet. He has had the toughest tours of a cricketers life in his first six months. He has earned his right to cash in against the West Indies.

And for the love of God, Hafeez and akmal and junaid are not the answer.
 
1) Test matches used to be won by Bowlers - Most of the great teams had great bowlers. WI in their peak, Australia and England in their peak had world beating bowlers who can win matches under most of the circumstances. That worked to Pakistan favor. Pakistan always had a great bowling culture. They won matches. But in the last few decades financial considerations have led boards to prepare flat pitches which help extend the test matches to the fifth day. This means teams need to have good batsman who can put up big scores and good enough bowlers who can persist for long stretches.

Disagree. Still need 20 wickets to win a test. Unfortunately for you, Pakistan doesn't have the bowling attack to take 20 wickets in these conditions. Basically it is not as if Pakistan's bowling is still good thanks to bowling culture but due to the game favoring batting Pakistan is suffering.
 
I broadly understand your point, but I think we need to separate the tactical issues from the strategic.
On the tactical side - collapsing in a session or session and a half (edgbaston, windies third test, nz second test, Melbourne) is not not normal...especially if you consider that the Pakistani batting had mastered these conditions. This was just old fashioned pressure. And that to me is not a problem defined by average age of team. Its just freezing when the collapse is on (I will come back to this point later).
On the strategic issue of the bowling composition: you know well that our last six months have been very busy. Basically Arthur has had no time to go see the domestic contenders in action (he is reliant here completely on inzi's panel). Typically, what happens in a scenario like this is that the team management chooses a safety first approach to selection (eg why are rahat, nawaz, and shafiq in the odi line up? because better to go with the devil i know vs, I don't plus the fact that they assume it will difficult for a new player to acclimatize to ANZ. So assuming, Arthur has the heart for the job (and the PCB is not very good at managing employee anxiety) he will get to see a lot of players with inzi after the Oz tour.

Now on to the first point i made about the collapses. I think Misbah's approach to cricket has always been absorb the pressure and take no risk until you get it to a situation where the opposition is either tired or feeling the same pressure as you (but you are set) and then you can attack. While I think it is a good approach because it teaches you how to absorb pressure (like Azhar is doing now) it can also shatter you as a player if you have failures at the last hurdle (eg., second test in NZ).

I think the average of the team will go down as Misbah is on his way out and Yk will follow soon. What I would like the next captain to do is, perhaps try to repel the pressure by some aggression up front (not Afridi style). Maybe Mickey wanted to do that with Babar Azam and it hasn't worked so far. But I hope they back him to play his game. I also wouldnt mind seeing sharjeel there. But I am clear that I dont want sami aslam to go just yet. He has had the toughest tours of a cricketers life in his first six months. He has earned his right to cash in against the West Indies.

And for the love of God, Hafeez and akmal and junaid are not the answer.


Regarding the collapse - it's almost self made. It's not about absorbing pressure - rather submission to pressure. What PAK does is, whenever there is a little lead or they are under pressure - batsmen completely shut down scoring. It's not absorbing pressure, rather it's fear of losing wicket; which never helps.

Regarding average during Misbah's time - is a misleading stats. It doesn't justify some of the the horror shows for a team with such high average. What they are doing is playing safety first cricket - so, when team is up, or batting first, you'll hardly see Misbah's team collapsing & they'll score at a slow but steady rate. PAK team putting scores like 632, 580/3d; 579/3d. 560/6d., 443/9d. at MCG is almost unthinkable in recent times; but think about opposite situations - MCG, CChurch, Hamilton, Sharjah (WI), Birmingham, Abu Dhabi (ENG), Sharjah (NZ), Gale, Cape Town .... even Harare - every time PAK team completely went to block mood & play for protecting wickets, rather than scoring runs; which eventually resulted 3/4/5 quick wickets in no time.

In terms of balls played, often these innings were not small, and there were decent partnerships as well - but almost always it's like 4 wickets for 26 in 18 overs - that's the fear of getting out, which results in not playing shots & often getting out to a poor release shot. Normally, when bowlers are bowling well or it's an unplayable wicket; you'll see wickets in regular interval - may be all-out 170 with highest partnership say 35. For PAK, you'll see 170, with 2/3 partnerships giving 150 of those. This will continue if players are asked to play within themselves - most times, rather than a good ball, PAK batsmen actually are getting out to wrong shots or picking wrong balls; this indicates a pressure cooker environment.

Rest part is fine - with current domestic system, my expectation is not much higher either.
 
Every team loses away. Give it a rest guys.

This

Didn't expect us to win against NZ/Aus

that being said, the last game was awful, rain affecting so many days and for us to collapse and lose like that.

We have 2 Sr sr who should be retired
and we've got 2 jr players in the side

cant have the right formula always, but hopefully we get the major change now with misbah/yk retiring, that being said, azhar is a much more dull captain and if he's the captain, it's a long road to get back to the top
 
We are always playing catch up to other sides. Our tactics are always outdated compared to other top sides like we're still suffering from an Imran, Miandad and Akram phobia. To move ahead we must forget the past.
 
Thats right, sadly. Pakistan have a mental block against Australia, and it goes across generations.

I don't think it is against Australia but against bounce. We just don't know how to deal with it, things get worse under pressure. Sami getting out early exposed the batters too early to harder new ball. In next match opening stand would be key.

Even in last test, it's not our batsmen but our tail, who was stood up longer than we imagine and maybe softer pink ball helped a bit too.
 
Good OP.

Pakistani cricket has fundamental problems.


1. Shift from bowling to batting. And the latter is a more complex conditioned memory reflex action and needs proper coaching from a very young age. And Pakistan unfortunately never had those coaches (and you need a lot of them, Germany for example has 28000 coaches at youth level for football).

2. No home games. This will have very significant long-term impact in getting kids to play.

3. Increasing chaotic urbanization. Almost all of us grew up playing galli cricket; when I go back these days, this has completely disappeared. In the absence of proper academies or grounds, this means that there is no way for young kids to get into the game.

4. County cricket no longer being any good or (relatively) lucrative. English counties were the finishing school for Pakistan (and WI) players in the absence of facilities at home. Sky and rise of IPL/BBL/.. has killed county cricket.

5. Neutral empires and more scrutiny on bowling actions. Pakistan benefited more than average with both in the past.


I don't agree with the other points OP made like fitness (Pakistan are steadily improving here and this is not very hard to change either) nor players starting at a younger age (Kohli at 19, Qdk at 20 and so on).
 
I don't think it is against Australia but against bounce. We just don't know how to deal with it, things get worse under pressure. Sami getting out early exposed the batters too early to harder new ball. In next match opening stand would be key.

Even in last test, it's not our batsmen but our tail, who was stood up longer than we imagine and maybe softer pink ball helped a bit too.

Again we belittle without credit. Did we not bat out the first innings of this match? This was all about pressure. And pakistan has had too many collapses in the last 6 months. It does. It help that this collapse includes two middle order batsmen who are virtual passengers right now
 
Again we belittle without credit. Did we not bat out the first innings of this match? This was all about pressure. And pakistan has had too many collapses in the last 6 months. It does. It help that this collapse includes two middle order batsmen who are virtual passengers right now

Well there is no question that Misbah and YK are weakest links right now, outside Asia...One wonders, why Sharayar Khan is insisting on Misbah go for another 2 years.
 
Well there is no question that Misbah and YK are weakest links right now, outside Asia...One wonders, why Sharayar Khan is insisting on Misbah go for another 2 years.

His interest is for Misbah the person - nothing wrong in that, particularly for a proud Civil servant. Misbah is one of the highest contributer in PAK cricket's history, considering what he did after August 2010. More than PAK cricket, he is damaging his own reputation by prolonging his career. Nothing wrong in his wish of one last encounter against IND, but once that became a distant future, he should have retired after ENG tour on high.

What Shahriar is looking for can be achieved partially though - Misbah will be a great appointment as PAK team Manager or for a position in PCB. He is such a nice personality that it's difficult to dislike him, but couldn't resist the temptation.
 
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