Crimes of Misbah-ul-Haq: Oathgate, Blocking youngsters etc.

[mominsaigol]

Misbah was a terrific test captain and player.

Ordinary ODI captain and player.

Amazing T20 player at the start but played too long and didn't suit the format in the end.

A complete dud as coach/selector.

He is quite an intelligent person but stubborn and stuck to his ways. I think he would be useful in the PCB but not for direct cricket related affairs. As an operational position running domestic cricket for example he would be quite good.

No he didn't, he took the test team to ruin after that no 1 rank.

He kept players like saud and fawad alam in his prime days out of the test team. Our openers were horrible lol.

Misbah is lucky that the bowling was good and azhar, Younis and sarfi at the back end were goat players at test. Shafiq at no 6 wasn't too bad either. Our opening with hafeez and shehzad was horrible.

People forget how quickly the test team went to ruin after his short no 1 stint. Also as a test player, Virtually everyone in the test team besides our openers were superior to him.

Azhar in his prime has scored triple centuries and plenty of match winning knocks at the top, sarfi and shafiq have recovered the team from lost positions especially against that Sri lanka test match where they both saved the game. Younis is a goat test bat.

Who was misbah superior to exactly? Besides shehzad and Hafeez at opening lol?

 

[CerebralPatriot]

What was sarfraz personal performance during his captaincy
Give me answer to this question

A match winning 50 in a knockout

A match saving 94 vs Australia

A face saving 97 vs England

A match winning 50 vs England (world cup)

Rizwan, Misbah or Babar will never dream to play any knock of such clutchness in their careers

 

[Rana]

Misbah was a terrific test captain and player.

Ordinary ODI captain and player.

Amazing T20 player at the start but played too long and didn't suit the format in the end.

A complete dud as coach/selector.

He is quite an intelligent person but stubborn and stuck to his ways. I think he would be useful in the PCB but not for direct cricket related affairs. As an operational position running domestic cricket for example he would be quite good.

Right so totally destroy our feeder into the national side?

 

[mominsaigol]

A match winning 50 in a knockout

A match saving 94 vs Australia

A face saving 97 vs England

A match winning 50 vs England (world cup)

Rizwan, Misbah or Babar will never dream to play any knock of such clutchness in their careers

Tbf babar has the ability to play unlike rizzu and misbah who lack the ability to.

It's just babar in 2017 under sarfi wasn't as good as he is now, but he went after bowlers and attacked lethally, his 2016 triple century against wi is his best performance to date.

Babar can attack, its just he deliberately slows down because no 1 rank got to his head so jes more obsessed with being statistically the best pak bat of all time and he can gloat to his future children on how he surpassed younis khan's 40 centuries record.

Babar can attack, but he won't because when nearing a 50 or 100, it's more important for him to reach that milestone even if it means the run rate increases and we get crippled in the process.

Misbah could attack as well, but again didn't bother to keep up the facade as to how he was an all important anchorer.

Rizzu on the other hand is limited and can't play those knocks even if he tries his level best.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Right so totally destroy our feeder into the national side?

Operational means not involved with players - things like grounds, pitches, scheduling, administration, divisions etc.

We need someone with experience to handle these things. I think he would be good at it rather than being involved with the national team.

 

[mominsaigol]

Operational means not involved with players - things like grounds, pitches, scheduling, administration, divisions etc.

We need someone with experience to handle these things. I think he would be good at it rather than being involved with the national team.

You honestly think pcb would relegate misbah to that? They'd want him involved with players. Ocb ain't learning

 

[Bilal7]

R
Right, cause losing 3-0 in the CT and advocating for nasir jamshed over sarfraz is clearly best captaincy material.

Best captain post-Inzi. None of our other captains have been as good but Babar will eventually surpass him.

Nasir Jamshed won us a series in India. He was a far better batsman than Sarfaraz. I don't understand why that average wicketkeeper has so many fans.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You honestly think pcb would relegate misbah to that? They'd want him involved with players. Ocb ain't learning

Ideally they would but it doesn't seem likely does it.

This guy got sacked in disgrace and then still made it back!

If Mickey gets sacked after the WC Misbah could become coach again.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ideally they would but it doesn't seem likely does it.

This guy got sacked in disgrace and then still made it back!

If Mickey gets sacked after the WC Misbah could become coach again.

Because misbah is connected lol, that's why.

 

[shah9425]

Bro listen, It's not about personal performances, I admit sarfraz isn't a godly bat or anything. This is a political argument more or less.

Misbah and Babar are the type of players who care about themselves and their buddies rather then the country. Its all about mindset.

Babar threw Zaman Khan under the bus for simply not bowling well, which is good, zaman should be reprimanded for not being international standards, but then he outright lies and states shadab and nawaz bowled well. That's a complete lie, shadab and nawaz were the worst bowlers in the Asia cup tournament, far worse then even minnow Nepal spinners.

Similarly rizwan can get whatever he wants. Rizwan wanted to bat at no 4 and he got his wish. Yesterday besides saud who played at a proper 140 Sr and gave part time bowlers like daily Mitchell and Glenn Philips the treatment they deserve, Every other bat like rizwan and Babar were playing at that 90 to 110 Sr which isn't good enough.

Someone like ravindra or Saud should not be striking better then MR no 2 t20 batsmen and Mr no 1 odi batsmen, considering these guys are part time bowlers. Same way every NZ bat was striking at 120 to 140 besides kane Williamson who is injured, and even Williamson Sr was higher then babar. Its because milestones matter more to these guys rather then retiring out at 50 like everyone else was doing.

Misbah use to do the same thing, advocated for nasir jamshed over sarfi because according to misbah nasir jamshed had not been given chances, same with how he made umar amin vice captain, even though the guy was a debutant. Misbah also outright lied on media.

CT 2017 Sri lanka and SA victory may have been a fluke, but semi final and final against England and India wasn't, we butchered the 2 Strongest teams in the tournament. Wanna know why?

Because sarfi unlike babar and misbah never lied on media, he never chose his buddies nor did he utilise any nepotism, he instilled a winning belief and relied on his players and developed a winning mindset, he didn't care about his so called no 4 spot like rizzu.

Azhar unlike imam who goes on his merry way, actually complimented fakhar and made sure to keep up the run rate with fakhar who was stinking, he kept pace with him and made an effort to go after the bowling. Babar In 2018 didn't care about his milestones and went after the bowling as well, same with hafeez, malik etc. These guys attacked and didn't care about milestones, the same way our bowlers attacked and went for the kill. Sarfi also never stuck by the formula like babar does and let's teams recover.

In 2017 we played like a collective unit for the country, we played for something bigger then ourselves.

In 2023 everyone is too busy fighting each other, playing against each other, competing for their slots by trying to lick the boots of golden boys (Rizzu,babar, Shaheen, Shadab), its this mindset which will cause us to fail.

Amir and imad aren't in the team because they aren't boot lickers, as imad says if the selectors don't like me just say it to my face.

Sarfi irrespective of whether he was a bad captain during 2018, he still made us win against NZ and England in 2019, 2 World cup finalists. Because if sarfi lost a match it wasn't because he was being selfish or being a bad captian.

He wasn't nepotistic and he gave it his all, misbah and babar have their own agendas and don't care about their places. Rizzu is already frustrated by losing his spot in test lol, he ain't gonna step down for saud lol.

You have written nice post but we don't need captain who was not even performing himself
So he had to go

 

[shah9425]

A match winning 50 in a knockout

A match saving 94 vs Australia

A face saving 97 vs England

A match winning 50 vs England (world cup)

Rizwan, Misbah or Babar will never dream to play any knock of such clutchness in their careers

That's it only 4
Too less
These 3 players are miles ahead of this yawning captain we had

 

[mominsaigol]

Best captain post-Inzi. None of our other captains have been as good but Babar will eventually surpass him.

Nasir Jamshed won us a series in India. He was a far better batsman than Sarfaraz. I don't understand why that average wicketkeeper has so many fans.

Nasir jamshed even in his prime averaged 31 and strike rate of 75 at OPENING, by world cup 2015 he couldn't even get a double digit score. Sarfi and wahab single handedly won you the South Africa game.

Stop lying, I remember the nasir jamshed meme twitter. He was so bad people literally made troll posts about him.

Also best captain post inzi? How? We won just one Asia cup under him in 6 years. 2013 was embrassing, 2015 was a complete embrassment but wahab and sarfi saved grace and got us to quarterfinals atleast where the whole team got slammed by Australia. Misbah shoved us to no 7 odi rank with his Successor shoving us to no 9 rank lol

Sarfi in 2 year Reign won us a ct trophy from no 8 position, he had a bad 2018 but in 2019 sarfi recovered and had us beat Nz and England 2 wc finalists. Its a shame we got a freak once in a blue moon defeat against West indies otherwise semi final spot was booked. Unlike misbah who wasn't even getting us to a quarterfinal is sarfi didn't humimalte SA along with taking 6 catches and wahab dismantling sa.

Misbah as a coach made us lose to Zimbabwe, the moment he got discarded and started crying to the media, Pakistan hires foreign xoxaches and we dominate India by 10 wickets lol.

Best captain and best coach my sweet patooti.

 

[mominsaigol]

You have written nice post but we don't need captain who was not even performing himself
So he had to go

Because he shoves himself down to accomodate up and coming rising stars, not unlike rizzu who cries for his precious no 4 slot.

Sarfi is old and not the same as he was from his 2015 form, and he's still embrassing a prime rizwan in test, he's literally not in the odi squad because babar and rizwan fear that sarfi will Nuke them both, Babar as a captain and rizzu be replaced as the keeper.

Sarfi literally managed to make a 100 from a collapsed position against peak England bowlers. Rizzu is clueless against quality bowling. I don't hate rizzu, I got nothing against him, but I've seem the guy play, supporting players like him and imam is the very reason why we are stuck in a 1990's mindset.

 

[Bilal7]

Nasir jamshed even in his prime averaged 31 and strike rate of 75 at OPENING, by world cup 2015 he couldn't even get a double digit score. Sarfi and wahab single handedly won you the South Africa game.

Stop lying, I remember the nasir jamshed meme twitter. He was so bad people literally made troll posts about him.

Also best captain post inzi? How? We won just one Asia cup under him in 6 years. 2013 was embrassing, 2015 was a complete embrassment but wahab and sarfi saved grace and got us to quarterfinals atleast where the whole team got slammed by Australia. Misbah shoved us to no 7 odi rank with his Successor shoving us to no 9 rank lol

Sarfi in 2 year Reign won us a ct trophy from no 8 position, he had a bad 2018 but in 2019 sarfi recovered and had us beat Nz and England 2 wc finalists. Its a shame we got a freak once in a blue moon defeat against West indies otherwise semi final spot was booked. Unlike misbah who wasn't even getting us to a quarterfinal is sarfi didn't humimalte SA along with taking 6 catches and wahab dismantling sa.

Misbah as a coach made us lose to Zimbabwe, the moment he got discarded and started crying to the media, Pakistan hires foreign xoxaches and we dominate India by 10 wickets lol.

Best captain and best coach my sweet patooti.

Jamshed at his prime looked invincible against India in India and won us that series. Opening was a hard gig before 2015 because pitches were not as flat as they are now. Regardless, why exactly would anyone open with Sarfaraz Ahmed? That's ridiculous.

He took us to #1 and won us the mace. Test cricket matters. Sarfaraz helped us win one tournament and he was a good captain in his own right but he was simply not a good enough player. Rizwan is superior in every aspect and is 5-6 years younger.

Sarfaraz's time is done. Stop crying over him. He's 36 years old.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

That's it only 4
Too less
These 3 players are miles ahead of this yawning captain we had

Please show me 4 innings Rizwan has played that are equivalent to what Sarfraz has done.

His only decent innings (79 vs India) was set up soley by Shaheen and if anyone was in his place, the game would have been finished by the 15th over

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Jamshed at his prime looked invincible against India in India and won us that series. Opening was a hard gig before 2015 because pitches were not as flat as they are now. Regardless, why exactly would anyone open with Sarfaraz Ahmed? That's ridiculous.

He took us to #1 and won us the mace. Test cricket matters. Sarfaraz helped us win one tournament and he was a good captain in his own right but he was simply not a good enough player. Rizwan is superior in every aspect and is 5-6 years younger.

Sarfaraz's time is done. Stop crying over him. He's 36 years old.

Why exactly would anyone open with Sarfaraz?

I don't know maybe a world cup 100 and a match winning innings vs a South African attack of Steyn, Morkel, Tahir and Abbot has something to do with it

 

[mominsaigol]

Jamshed at his prime looked invincible against India in India and won us that series. Opening was a hard gig before 2015 because pitches were not as flat as they are now. Regardless, why exactly would anyone open with Sarfaraz Ahmed? That's ridiculous.

He took us to #1 and won us the mace. Test cricket matters. Sarfaraz helped us win one tournament and he was a good captain in his own right but he was simply not a good enough player. Rizwan is superior in every aspect and is 5-6 years younger.

Sarfaraz's time is done. Stop crying over him. He's 36 years old.

That Indian squad was literally the weakest squad they've ever had, what are you talking about? After that series they discarded their entire squad minus Bhuvi, Dhoni and Kohli.

Dhawan was introduced, rohit was shoved to opening, many new players got introduced.

Also isn't it ironic, how you proclaimed the stats argument towards me, but now that I proclaim nasir jamshed's 31 Average and 75 strike rate which is 100x worse then sarfraz's average and strike rate, those arguments just fly out the window?

What happened to relying solely on stats? I said this to you in an earlier comment, posters like you only use the stats argument when it benefits them, but when the tables are turned it goes out the window.

 

[Bilal7]

Why exactly would anyone open with Sarfaraz?

I don't know maybe a world cup 100 and a match winning innings vs a South African attack of Steyn, Morkel, Tahir and Abbot has something to do with it

That century came against Ireland chasing a score of ~230 and Saffu batted at a SR of just over 80. Hardly impressive when Shehzad got a 60 odd in the same match.

That "match-winning" innings wasn't even a 50 and our bowlers won us that game, not Sarfaraz's cameo. However, he was given the MOTM due to his 6 catches coupled with his batting contribution.

Sarfaraz Ahmed was never good enough to be a long-term opener.

 

[Bilal7]

That Indian squad was literally the weakest squad they've ever had, what are you talking about? After that series they discarded their entire squad minus Bhuvi, Dhoni and Kohli.

Dhawan was introduced, rohit was shoved to opening, many new players got introduced.

Also isn't it ironic, how you proclaimed the stats argument towards me, but now that I proclaim nasir jamshed's 31 Average and 75 strike rate which is 100x worse then sarfraz's average and strike rate, those arguments just fly out the window?

What happened to relying solely on stats? I said this to you in an earlier comment, posters like you only use the stats argument when it benefits them, but when the tables are turned it goes out the window.

Learn how to use statistics. You're going to have to show that Sarfaraz had better numbers than Jamshed at the time, not after they've both been discarded. You're also going to have to account for one being a career opener while the other got to bat in the middle and at the death.

India discarded their batters, not their bowlers. That series made Bhuvi India's bowling spearhead and he was in fantastic form. The only reason India lost was because of Jamshed's batting and our bowlers being absolute chads.

Sarfaraz would have been bowled through the gate three times out of three had he opened against Bhuvi in that series. Might have saved Kohli the embarassment of being the most infamous bunny from that tour.

 

[mominsaigol]

Learn how to use statistics. You're going to have to show that Sarfaraz had better numbers than Jamshed at the time, not after they've both been discarded. You're also going to have to account for one being a career opener while the other got to bat in the middle and at the death.

India discarded their batters, not their bowlers. That series made Bhuvi India's bowling spearhead and he was in fantastic form. The only reason India lost was because of Jamshed's batting and our bowlers being absolute chads.

Sarfaraz would have been bowled through the gate three times out of three had he opened against Bhuvi in that series. Might have saved Kohli the embarassment of being the most infamous bunny from that tour.

Sarfi had better numbers in 2015 then jamshed in 2015.

How am I supposed to show sarfi has superior numbers to 2012 jamshed? When he wasn't even in the team during 2012? What are you on about? Shall I show you kohli's Peak 90+ average during his 2016 era days?

If you want me to quote stats against best teams, Peak sarfraz against bamgaldesh has am average of 121 with a strike rate of 98 whereas nasir jamshed at his peak against Indian opposition has an average of 102 with a strike rate of 85.

What drugs are you even on bro?

 

[mominsaigol]

Learn how to use statistics. You're going to have to show that Sarfaraz had better numbers than Jamshed at the time, not after they've both been discarded. You're also going to have to account for one being a career opener while the other got to bat in the middle and at the death.

India discarded their batters, not their bowlers. That series made Bhuvi India's bowling spearhead and he was in fantastic form. The only reason India lost was because of Jamshed's batting and our bowlers being absolute chads.

Sarfaraz would have been bowled through the gate three times out of three had he opened against Bhuvi in that series. Might have saved Kohli the embarassment of being the most infamous bunny from that tour.

As an opener you're suppose to have better statistics then middle order batsmen. That's a given, you're literally opening the innings and yet his stats are a million times worse then sarfraz who shifts up and down the order.

At opening Sarfraz has superior stats to nasir jamshed lol, but keep relying on his 100's. Also I was their when I was watching the match. Nasir got dropped 2x in the 2nd odi .

 

[Bilal7]

Sarfi had better numbers in 2015 then jamshed in 2015.

How am I supposed to show sarfi has superior numbers to 2012 jamshed? When he wasn't even in the team during 2012? What are you on about? Shall I show you kohli's Peak 90+ average during his 2016 era days?

If you want me to quote stats against best teams, Peak sarfraz against bamgaldesh has am average of 121 with a strike rate of 98 whereas nasir jamshed at his peak against Indian opposition has an average of 102 with a strike rate of 85.

What drugs are you even on bro?

Believe it or not, statsguru has a feature which allows you to go back in time and pull out Sarfaraz and Jamshed's numbers from 2015.

What is the point of comparing numbers against Bangladesh for Sarfaraz and India for Jamshed?

 

[Bilal7]

As an opener you're suppose to have better statistics then middle order batsmen. That's a given, you're literally opening the innings and yet his stats are a million times worse then sarfraz who shifts up and down the order.

At opening aarfraz has superior stats to masir jamshed lol, but keep relying on his 100's. Also I was their when I was watching the match. Nasir got dropped 2x in the 2nd odi .

Go look at the numbers of ODI batsmen from before this current era.

Let's get over Sarfaraz, he's done. Rizwan is superior in every way.

 

[mominsaigol]

Believe it or not, statsguru has a feature which allows you to go back in time and pull out Sarfaraz and Jamshed's numbers from 2015.

What is the point of comparing numbers against Bangladesh for Sarfaraz and India for Jamshed?

You're asking for Peak sarfraz vs Peak Nasir jamshed. Nasir jamshed is worse against bangaldesh then sarfraz is.

Why are you actually advocating nasir jamshed of all people over sarfi? 2 fluke innings mean he's superior?

Funny enough his stats would be in the 20's and Sr would be even lower in the 60's if it wasn't for those 2 innings, you're lucky those 2 innings inflated him.

Babar is not superior to kohli, same way nasir jamshed is the worst opener to represent Pakistan cricket. Even worse then shehzad.

 

[mominsaigol]

Go look at the numbers of ODI batsmen from before this current era.

Let's get over Sarfaraz, he's done. Rizwan is superior in every way.

Really? You mean before 2015? So 2012? Like nasir? Need I remind you what Sachin and kohli did to us in 2012 Asia cup? And what their averages and Sr were.

What even are you on about at this point?

Also trying to change the topic from nasir jamshed to rizwan now? Am i really making you run around his circles.

Let me sum up your arguments,

" I hate sarfraz, I don't want him back."

You're now changing the topic altogether.

 

[Technics 1210]

That Indian squad was literally the weakest squad they've ever had, what are you talking about?

What are YOU talking about?

Always here to undermine Pakistan's achievements.

Here's are some of the Indian players in that 2012 series:

MS Dhoni
Virat Kohli
V Sehwag
Gautam Gambhir
Suresh Raina
Rohit Sharma
Yuvraj Singh
R Ashwin
Ravindra Jadeja
Mohammed Shami
Ishant Sharma
B Kumar

LOL @ literally one of the weakest squads India has ever had.

The only one missing was Tendulkar!

 

[topspin]

Sarfi had better numbers in 2015 then jamshed in 2015.

How am I supposed to show sarfi has superior numbers to 2012 jamshed? When he wasn't even in the team during 2012? What are you on about? Shall I show you kohli's Peak 90+ average during his 2016 era days?

If you want me to quote stats against best teams, Peak sarfraz against bamgaldesh has am average of 121 with a strike rate of 98 whereas nasir jamshed at his peak against Indian opposition has an average of 102 with a strike rate of 85.

What drugs are you even on bro?

No point arguing with someone who doesn't understand cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

What are YOU talking about?

Always here to undermine Pakistan's achievements.

Here's are some of the Indian players in that 2012 series:

MS Dhoni
Virat Kohli
V Sehwag
Gautam Gambhir
Suresh Raina
Rohit Sharma
Yuvraj Singh
R Ashwin
Ravindra Jadeja
Mohammed Shami
Ishant Sharma
B Kumar

LOL @ literally one of the weakest squads India has ever had.

The only one missing was Tendulkar!

Do your research,

This was the last series sehwag and gautam ever played for india before they were replaced by rohit and dhawan opening in CT. They never made an international appearance after. Sehwag and gautam were on their last legs. They were done and dusted.

Rohit was horrible at the middle order and he was considered a weak link, he wasn't the atg opener that he is now, he use to bat in the middle order and was considered a liability for india and our version of umar akmal.

Yuvraj didn't recover his form until 2014, he had the worst patch on the planet during 2012 and 2013 so much so he wasn't even in the ct squad if I recall correctly.

Bhuvi was brand new and just made his debut and was clearly not the bowler he is today, Ishant sharma was terrible and didn't come good until the ct final where he matured enough.

All the players were either on last legs, or suffered from bad patches or were brand new and not international standards yes.

Don't compare them to how they are today lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

Do your research,

Your argument lacks consistency: from India's team was one of the weakest in 2012, to how India demolished Pakistan in the Asia Cup 2012 and dominated the tournament.

The fact is Misbah captained Pakistan to a 2-1 series win in India against one of the strongest Indian teams in history.

 

[gazza619]

Misbah did some good and some bad but he deserves more respect.

 

[topspin]

You are splitting hairs now with Indian player form and all.

Your argument lacks consistency: from India's team was one of the weakest in 2012, to how India demolished Pakistan in the Asia Cup 2012 and dominated the tournament.

The fact is Misbah captained Pakistan to a 2-1 series win in India against one of the strongest Indian teams in history.

It was an India team in transition.

The question that needs to be asked is were you of aware of that?

 

[mominsaigol]

You are splitting hairs now with Indian player form and all.

Your argument lacks consistency: from India's team was one of the weakest in 2012, to how India demolished Pakistan in the Asia Cup 2012 and dominated the tournament.

The fact is Misbah captained Pakistan to a 2-1 series win in India against one of the strongest Indian teams in history.

India dominated us because kohli and Sachin batted the whole innings with kohli making a 183, and unfortunately kohli didn't perform in the series against us.

Team India lost to Bangladesh and I believe Sri lanka(not sure will have to check), their bowling was atrocious compared to ours back then, and their batting was relying on Tendulkar, kohli and Dhoni. Rest were out of form or on their last legs or too new to the circuit and not finished products.

 

[topspin]

Do your research,

This was the last series sehwag and gautam ever played for india before they were replaced by rohit and dhawan opening in CT. They never made an international appearance after. Sehwag and gautam were on their last legs. They were done and dusted.

Rohit was horrible at the middle order and he was considered a weak link, he wasn't the atg opener that he is now, he use to bat in the middle order and was considered a liability for india and our version of umar akmal.

Yuvraj didn't recover his form until 2014, he had the worst patch on the planet during 2012 and 2013 so much so he wasn't even in the ct squad if I recall correctly.

Bhuvi was brand new and just made his debut and was clearly not the bowler he is today, Ishant sharma was terrible and didn't come good until the ct final where he matured enough.

All the players were either on last legs, or suffered from bad patches or were brand new and not international standards yes.

Don't compare them to how they are today lol.

Anyone who is knowledgeable and credit knows that India team was in transition.

 

[Technics 1210]

India dominated us because kohli and Sachin batted the whole innings with kohli making a 183, and unfortunately kohli didn't perform in the series against us.

Team India lost to Bangladesh and I believe Sri lanka(not sure will have to check), their bowling was atrocious compared to ours back then, and their batting was relying on Tendulkar, kohli and Dhoni. Rest were out of form or on their last legs or too new to the circuit and not finished products.

Unfortunately Kohli didn't perform in the series against us?

Yeah ok mate, it is pretty obvious you will never support Pakistan, win or lose.

You have removed all doubt in my mind.

 

[saqib.rai]

Misbah's career after 2007 happened in front of us. It's not like some 'legends' of the 90s whose stats show but pretend to be legends of the game now like Ramiz Raja, Amir Sohail, Aqib Javed.

So here are my short 2 cents.

Misbah was an EXCELLENT test captain. To go to number 1 from where we were in 2010, no matter how much you hate him, he deserves all the credit in the world.

He was a PATHETIC ODI and t20 player.
Our team was REALLY REALLY mediocre under him. This is what comes to my mind.
But MAYBE it was the UAE pitches, because Afridi, Ajmal, Hafeez all had economies in the 4 - 4.5 range. So maybe those pitches required you to bat like Misbah did and play like Pakistan did?
However, we won ODI series in India and South Africa under him. First Asian team to beat South Africa in South Africa.

But whenever he was captaining the ODI team, I would not want to watch us play. Afridi did a wonderful job in the 2011 WC, he should have remained ODI captain till 2015.

I was really happy when Misbah retired from ODI, but when I saw that Azhar would be replacing him, I wanted Misbah back.

So his ODI captaincy CANNOT BE TERMED AS GOOD OR BAD AS BOTH SIDES HAVE SOLID ARGUMENTS
how bad we were in Champions Trophy 2013 (our worst team ever), but we beat India in India and South Africa in South Africa.

 

[mominsaigol]

Unfortunately Kohli didn't perform in the series against us?

Yeah ok mate, it is pretty obvious you will never support Pakistan, win or lose.

You have removed all doubt in my mind.

Everything has context and meaning to it, you would understand if you removed your hatred towards me and stopped branding me in a certain light.

I'm the same guy who wrote essays detailing why the CT 2017 win was not a fluke (Eng and India match only)

2012 India team was in transition with their legends being had beens and all riding on Tendulkar, Kohli and Dhoni to perform.

That doesn't mean I don't support Pakistan winning, junaid Khan bowled a killer spell, saeed ajmal chucking was terrific, other bowlers were goated etc.

Even in 2017 our win against India was earned. But it doesn't change the fact that nasir jamshed which is what the og argument was about is not a terrific player, I have no reason to support him.

Cricket is a team game, next time understand context and meaning before spreading hate towards me.

 

[Bilal7]

Really? You mean before 2015? So 2012? Like nasir? Need I remind you what Sachin and kohli did to us in 2012 Asia cup? And what their averages and Sr were.

What even are you on about at this point?

Also trying to change the topic from nasir jamshed to rizwan now? Am i really making you run around his circles.

Let me sum up your arguments,

" I hate sarfraz, I don't want him back."

You're now changing the topic altogether.

Ah yes, Kohli the opening batsman. I'm not changing the topic, I'm ending it. Sarfaraz is better, Rizwan is better. Period.

 

[Technics 1210]

Everything has context and meaning to it, you would understand if you removed your hatred towards me and stopped branding me in a certain light.

You should pay heed to your own advise, remove your hate towards Misbah and apply context and meaning to his career instead of trying to undermine his (and Pakistan's) achievement in India 2012.

 

[mominsaigol]

You should pay heed to your own advise, remove your hate towards Misbah and apply context and meaning to his career instead of trying to undermine his (and Pakistan's) achievement in India 2012.

Broskie I've seen your comments. You pretty much bash every comment that offers genuine criticism. Granted some comments are trolls but that doesn't mean all of them are.

Misbah has won series I agree. His most succesful stint being 2011 to 2012.

But his records of 2013 to 2015 speak for themselves especially in the odi circuit.

We're talking about a guy who made umar amin a debutant his vice captain, and booted fawad alam the highest run Getter in 2014 out of the world cup squad to accommodate younis khan, a tried and tested failure in odi.

We're talking about a guy who outright played nasir jamshed at opening and had umar akmal keep even though sarfraz had impressed in the NZ series.

We're talking about a guy who got booted out as a coach for embrassing performances in limited series, threw an entire hissy fit on the media saying that other coaches can't fix the team, and then as soon as he said this, we hire foreign coaches. With these coaches we thrash India by 10 wickets, dominate all the way to the semi finals and granted we did lose the SF primarily due to hasan Ali, we gave Australia one heck of a fight and made them earn that win.

No shame in losing when you have given it your all. Sadly we haven't played like that since 2021, it's all downhill from their.

Misbah is one of the worst captains I have ever seen. I will credit the 2012 Asia cup win to him, but sarfi has a superior record in a single year of captaincy. As soon as misbah was replaced people were making posts about how 4 years of cricket were wasted under this man.

 

[topspin]

2012 series win in India is a case of choti choti khushiya for the pro-Misbah camp and green tinted hype brigade.

India changed their team and went on to a win the CT in the following year while Misbah's Pakistan crashed out after having lost every single game.

Sarfraz captained the side in the next edition of the CT which was also hosted in England. Unlike Misbah, he backed players (including young blood) on merit and showed his predecessors how it was done. Not because he was a tactical genius or anything special as a leader, just not as atrocious as what Misbah was.

The question for all the pro-Misbah fans is why the contrast in fortunes across these 2 x tournaments?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol at the Indian team being in transition.

This was a massive massive series with so much hype. It was the first series after Mumbai and Pakistan gave them an epic phainta.

Only a simpleton will try to discredit this series victory to bash one man. It's one of Pakistans finest.

The series was massivley hyped and a lot of pressure was on both sides.

For example from the Guardian..."Winning means a lot to both sides, said Pradeep Magazine, a cricket writer on the Hindustan Times. "Whenever India plays Pakistan, the streets are deserted; everybody is inside watching the match. We want to win. People here are willing to forgive India a lot, but not a loss against Pakistan."

Pakistan humiliated the Indians and it looks like the humilation is still hurting the wrist slitters on this forum.

 

[MenInG]

Less of "forum" this and that, more of arguments or simply don't post if nothing new to add.

 

[mominsaigol]

Less of "forum" this and that, more of arguments or simply don't post if nothing new to add.

Acknowledged .

 

[Technics 1210]

Lol at the Indian team being in transition.

This was a massive massive series with so much hype. It was the first series after Mumbai and Pakistan gave them an epic phainta.

Only a simpleton will try to discredit this series victory to bash one man. It's one of Pakistans finest.

The series was massivley hyped and a lot of pressure was on both sides.

For example from the Guardian..."Winning means a lot to both sides, said Pradeep Magazine, a cricket writer on the Hindustan Times. "Whenever India plays Pakistan, the streets are deserted; everybody is inside watching the match. We want to win. People here are willing to forgive India a lot, but not a loss against Pakistan."

Pakistan humiliated the Indians and it looks like the humilation is still hurting the wrist slitters on this forum.

It was one of the greatest series victories by Pakistan in India.

I still remember how the Indian team/media reacted after the 3rd ODI win, so much joy but only to realise India had avoided the whitewash by the skin of their teeth.

Anne do! Remember those adverts on Indian media before the series? Swiftly changed to Jane do, after Pakistan had an unsailable lead of 2-0

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It was one of the greatest series victories by Pakistan in India.

I still remember how the Indian team/media reacted after the 3rd ODI win, so much joy but only to realise India had avoided the whitewash by the skin of their teeth.

Anne do! Remember those adverts on Indian media before the series? Swiftly changed to Jane do, after Pakistan had an unsailable lead of 2-0

Pakistan smashed them so badly that when we lost the 3rd ODI everyone was surprised.

Paul Nixon said we threw the game!

 

[ArabKnight]

Misbah ul Haq.

He was a good batsman on roads in the UAE. That’s about it.

The Dark Dictatorship since 2010, in one way or the other, still haunts Pakistan cricket to this day.

 

[Shafi]

Forger Misbah!!! Babar is doing even worse than him, blocking others and playing his friends. At least Misbah tried to win but Babar with no talent in captaincy but stubborn to play his friends.

 

[topspin]

Lol at the Indian team being in transition.

This was a massive massive series with so much hype. It was the first series after Mumbai and Pakistan gave them an epic phainta.

Only a simpleton will try to discredit this series victory to bash one man. It's one of Pakistans finest.

You have no idea what you're talking about but that's nothing unexpected.

If you did your due diligence you would've found:

- Gambhir and Sehwag were on their last legs. Gambhir played his last ODI a few weeks later after this series against England. Sehwag didn't play any more ODIs after this series.

- Yuvraj was playing whilst he had cancer.

- Rohit Sharma was batting out of position in the lower middle order position because India didn't realise he was best suited as an opener.

What this all shows is that India were still in the process of working out their best team combination.

Once India had it all figured out, they exposed Misbah's Pakistan in the following year during the CT but they also went on to win the tournament.

Let's not pretend that 2013 CT was just an one-off slip up by your beloved Misbah. As I mentioned earlier:

Sarfraz captained the side in the next edition of the CT. A tournament which was also hosted in England. Unlike Misbah, he backed players (including young blood) on merit and showed his predecessors how it was done. Not because he was a tactical genius or anything special as a leader, just not as atrocious as what Misbah was.

The question I have is for a pro-Misbah fan like yourself, why the contrast in fortunes between Misbah's 2013 CT team and Sarfraz's 2017 CT side?

Next time, I suggest you take a look in the mirror before throwing words like "simpleton" around because I promise this won't be the only occasion where it'll backfire on you.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You have no idea what you're talking about but that's nothing unexpected.

If you did your due diligence you would've found:

- Gambhir and Sehwag were on their last legs. Gambhir played his last ODI a few weeks later after this series against England. Sehwag didn't play any more ODIs after this series.

- Yuvraj was playing whilst he had cancer.

- Rohit Sharma was batting out of position in the lower middle order position because India didn't realise he was best suited as an opener.

What this all shows is that India were still in the process of working out their best team combination.

Once India had it all figured out, they exposed Misbah's Pakistan in the following year during the CT but they also went on to win the tournament.

Let's not pretend that 2013 CT was just an one-off slip up by your beloved Misbah. As I mentioned earlier:

Sarfraz captained the side in the next edition of the CT. A tournament which was also hosted in England. Unlike Misbah, he backed players (including young blood) on merit and showed his predecessors how it was done. Not because he was a tactical genius or anything special as a leader, just not as atrocious as what Misbah was.

The question I have is for a pro-Misbah fan like yourself, why the contrast in fortunes between Misbah's 2013 CT team and Sarfraz's 2017 CT side?

Next time, I suggest you take a look in the mirror before throwing words like "simpleton" around because I promise this won't be the only occasion where it'll backfire on you.

Your whole existence hinges on Misbah )

Anybody that devalues a prominent series victory because of their obsession with one man is a simpleton according to the dictionary definition.

You spend your whole life discrediting any achievement of Pakistan. Everything is a fluke to you but this is the icing on the cake.

Let me ask you, if you cheer every failure and discredit every success then what does it make you?

 

[Major]

Misbah ul Haq.

He was a good batsman on roads in the UAE. That’s about it.

The Dark Dictatorship since 2010, in one way or the other, still haunts Pakistan cricket to this day.

I disagree, plz do check his stats.

 

[saqib.rai]

Your whole existence hinges on Misbah )

Anybody that devalues a prominent series victory because of their obsession with one man is a simpleton according to the dictionary definition.

You spend your whole life discrediting any achievement of Pakistan. Everything is a fluke to you but this is the icing on the cake.

Let me ask you, if you cheer every failure and discredit every success then what does it make you?

The India series was won by Nasir Jamshed, Junaid Khan, M.Irfan and Saeed Ajmal. Misbah's batting and/or leadership had nothing to do with the win. Our batsmen excluding Nasir Jamshed played some very pathetic cricket. They were not even capable of chasing 200 if it had not been for Nasir Jamshed.
Why is it that such mediocre batting happened only when Misbah was captain???

The South Africa series was won by Ajmal. I still remember they required 12 to win off the last 2 overs with Amla still at the crease in the second ODI and Ajmal conceded just 2 off the second last over.

During Misbah's time as ODI captain, we fielded the worst team in our history in the 2013 Champions Trophy. We had regressed in ODI to the level that West Indies are at right now.

With such a high at the 2011 World Cup (topping group, beating Australia and Sri Lanka) we should have been one of the favorites to win the 2015 World Cup if we had taken the normal progression that other teams take BUT INSTEAD we were one of the worst if not the worst team in the world when Misbah retired from ODIs.

Azhar Ali took it to another level of mediocrity. Made even Misbah the ODI batter and captain look good.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The India series was won by Nasir Jamshed, Junaid Khan, M.Irfan and Saeed Ajmal. Misbah's batting and/or leadership had nothing to do with the win. Our batsmen excluding Nasir Jamshed played some very pathetic cricket. They were not even capable of chasing 200 if it had not been for Nasir Jamshed.
Why is it that such mediocre batting happened only when Misbah was captain???

The South Africa series was won by Ajmal. I still remember they required 12 to win off the last 2 overs with Amla still at the crease in the second ODI and Ajmal conceded just 2 off the second last over.

During Misbah's time as ODI captain, we fielded the worst team in our history in the 2013 Champions Trophy. We had regressed in ODI to the level that West Indies are at right now.

With such a high at the 2011 World Cup (topping group, beating Australia and Sri Lanka) we should have been one of the favorites to win the 2015 World Cup if we had taken the normal progression that other teams take BUT INSTEAD we were one of the worst if not the worst team in the world when Misbah retired from ODIs.

Azhar Ali took it to another level of mediocrity. Made even Misbah the ODI batter and captain look good.

Sure thats all fair points .... and they are worth a lot more than simpleton posts about India being a team in transition.

The India series was a great victory in Pakistans bilateral history. I'm happy for you to credit whoever you like for it, but to try and discredit the whole series to fit in with a bitter and twisted point of view deserves to be called out.

You can see my own view of Misbah on this thread. I appreciate his limitations in ODI cricket.

 

[Moiza]

Not going to indulge in the debate of how good/bad he was, one thing he was successful at doing was that he made me hate cricket to the point that I just stopped watching for a while.

 

[saqib.rai]

Sure thats all fair points .... and they are worth a lot more than simpleton posts about India being a team in transition.

The India series was a great victory in Pakistans bilateral history. I'm happy for you to credit whoever you like for it, but to try and discredit the whole series to fit in with a bitter and twisted point of view deserves to be called out.

You can see my own view of Misbah on this thread. I appreciate his limitations in ODI cricket.

That Indian team had Sehwag, Rohit, Virat, Yuvraj, MS, Jadeja= all 6 fit into an all time India ODI eleven.
Then they had Gambhir, Raina, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Ishant= all have played significant cricket for India.
None of them were 35, so still fit to play international cricket.

I didn't read all posts but as you rightly pointed out, if someone is saying that Indian team was not good is misinterpreting facts.

I would give credit to Nasir Jamshed, Junaid, Irfan and Ajmal's action and if you want to give credit to Misbah as well then that's your opinion and should be respected.

 

[VForVendetta]

If he would have been forced to retire from t20i's after 09 wc & from odi's after 11 wc his legacy & overall acceptance among fans would have been much greater, positive & less divisive. It's just that he was too stubborn to realize his method was obsolete for modern white ball cricket. The issue was that the guy was born in the 70's, so obviously he started at the top level in the 90's,an era when his kind of batting approach (see off the new ball,deadbat if necessary, take the game deep & blast off as much as possible in last 10 overs) was much appreciated in Pak cricket circuit. Unless your name was Saeed Anwar or Shahid Afridi everybody else played & perfected this method. Dude simply implemented that 15 years later when he finally became the king of Pak cricket. Another issue was lack of input from seniors like Afridi, Malik, Younus & Hafeez; who themselves were struggling for consistency & were just trying to save their own place.So naturally none of them bothered to give Misbah the much needed reality check. His contributions as test player & skipper are extremely valuable & always should be highly regarded & kept separated from his failures & limitations in shorter formats.

 

[RyanRyan10]

^ POTW and just to add to that beautiful summary
- Keeping Fawad Alam out of the team from 2011 to 2020 even though he was averaging 70 plus in first class cricket
- Keeping Saud Shakeel out of the team from 2016-2022 even though he was one of the most prolific batsmen in the domestic circuit and had age on his side
- Never bringing Sharjeel into the test arena unlike teams such as Australia who invested in hard hitters like Warner and reaped all the rewards
- Never selecting Mir Hamza in our tours to Nz or Eng even though he was second to Amir as our best swing bowler
- Always switching an inform Asad Shafiq's position from 6 to 3 and back to 6 thus making Shafiq unsure about his position causing a dip of form, a dip Misbah exploited to drop him
- Never selecting Khurram Manzoor or Shan in ODIs even though both averaged 50 +
- Selecting Danish Aziz for one series (on the tough tracks of South Africa vs Rabada and Nortje) and then dropping him
- Shoving Rizwan down our throats as a T20I opener and test keeper (joke of the century)

Please feel free everyone else to add some more examples, the list is infinite

did Misbah do injustice only against Karachi players?

 

[TheSultan]

The biggest slap in the face of Misbah is after he created this “hero” narrative and tried to hoodwink everyone in to believe that we’d be 30 all out without him, the whole team proved they can knock up some very good scores without him!

Further insult to injury when they won the CT only 2 years later

 

[Major]

i think some people needed to be reminded that CT was won after 2 seasons of PSL.

 

[topspin]

If he would have been forced to retire from t20i's after 09 wc & from odi's after 11 wc his legacy & overall acceptance among fans would have been much greater, positive & less divisive. It's just that he was too stubborn to realize his method was obsolete for modern white ball cricket. The issue was that the guy was born in the 70's, so obviously he started at the top level in the 90's,an era when his kind of batting approach (see off the new ball,deadbat if necessary, take the game deep & blast off as much as possible in last 10 overs) was much appreciated in Pak cricket circuit. Unless your name was Saeed Anwar or Shahid Afridi everybody else played & perfected this method. Dude simply implemented that 15 years later when he finally became the king of Pak cricket. Another issue was lack of input from seniors like Afridi, Malik, Younus & Hafeez; who themselves were struggling for consistency & were just trying to save their own place.So naturally none of them bothered to give Misbah the much needed reality check. His contributions as test player & skipper are extremely valuable & always should be highly regarded & kept separated from his failures & limitations in shorter formats.

Exactly this. Like you said, he should've retired from T20s after the 2009 WT20, retired from ODIs after his innings in Mohali and he should've fully retired from playing for Pakistan after losing a test against a minnow Zimbabwe + whitewash in South Africa.

Had he done that and not ousted Mickey Arthur to take the Head Coach + Chief Selector position for himself then he would've gone down as one of the most respectable figures of Pakistan cricket.

I would have no issues with him having the aspirations of becoming a Pakistan Head Coach/Chief Selector, had he gained his coaching qualifications and proved his coaching merits in domestic cricket.

 

[topspin]

i think some people needed to be reminded that CT was won after 2 seasons of PSL.

This is a very weak argument because with or without PSL, he cannot be excused for playing Imran Farhat and Umar Amin in the playing XI during the 2013 CT.

He had a thing for older men and he also had a strong preference for quiet, timid players such as Asad Shafiq and Umar Amin. His batting approach was so outdated but also backwards.

I say outdated because he wanted his most defensive players occupying the top order and I say backwards because he wanted the more skilful batsmen batting lower down the order.

Sarfraz wasn't amazing, just not as atrocious as Misbah. He was more flexible and open minded in his thinking. He backed new player including young blood in the side whereas Misbah was just stuck in his ways because he had a low cricketing IQ. I guess that's to be expected from someone who's studied at a 3rd rate institution.

There's no way in the world he would've approved Fakhar to be opening the batting, when he was new to Pakistan cricket. He didn't want the game to be played that way. Nor would he've trusted Hasan Ali because he was generally very reluctant to back young, inexperienced players.

Even if he had picked them, his defensive fields, bowling rotations and the batting order of his choice would've led to another disaster for Pakistan. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Just like how I was certain about how his coaching stint was going to turn out before he was appointed to take on this role. Nothing short of another dismal failure.

Let's also not forget he vouched for Azhar Ali to be the next captain who also failed miserably. I'm no fan of Sarfraz but I thank him for not following Misbah's template to play his part in transforming Pakistan's fortunes from the 2013 CT to the 2017 edition of the tournament.

 

[topspin]

The biggest slap in the face of Misbah is after he created this “hero” narrative and tried to hoodwink everyone in to believe that we’d be 30 all out without him, the whole team proved they can knock up some very good scores without him!

Further insult to injury when they won the CT only 2 years later

Indeed and that hero narrative got exposed when he played his part in ousting Mickey Arthur, merely to take up his role for himself.

But I knew he was like this after what I saw in 2011 WC semi-final contest. He wasn't showing any urgency when the run rate was going up. He was desperate to keep his place in the side, as evident by that innings he played during that game which is by far the most worthless half century I've ever seen. When I was watching it live, the commentators and the pundits in the Sky Studio could not hide how baffled they were. Even Ravi Shastri on air was in disbelief with what Misbah was doing. No one could make sense of his approach. After the game had finished, I remember Nick Knight saying "I'm really angry by what I've just seen", which says it all really.

 

[mominsaigol]

The biggest slap in the face of Misbah is after he created this “hero” narrative and tried to hoodwink everyone in to believe that we’d be 30 all out without him, the whole team proved they can knock up some very good scores without him!

Further insult to injury when they won the CT only 2 years later

For me, this comment is my POTW XD.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't get the whole misbah support. Only arguments I see forth are, He took us to No 1 rank, or he won us Asia cup, or he was the most clutch player woth a 44 average during our dark days, or he had to play with a nothing team and still achieved results.

Point is misbah and Babar didn't establish a winning mindset like sarfraz did.

At the end of the day, Stats don't matter, rankings don't matter, and winning Asia cup which honestly is just a quad series, it ain't a cup doesn't matter.

CT 2017 early victories sa and Sri lanka may have been a fluke, but England and India victory wasn't. You don't just fluke a win by utterly destroying and humiliating 2 horrifically strong teams. We dismantled and bullied them because of mentality. We were mentally present and playing to restore honor which sarfi did while India and England were in it that day.

You gotta play for your country, and something bigger then yourself. Past records mean nothing. You do that by being united as a front and letting go of whatever drama you hold onto.

In CT 2017 fakhar didn't play like he was hitting a 100 for his selfish milestone, he was playing to dismantle India. Azhar Ali unlike imam who wants fakhar and Babar hand holding, was actually making sure that he kept pace with fakhar and was playing outside his natural comfort zone cause the cup is what matters.

Hafeez didn't complain that his so called opening and no 3 is being discarded to accommodate Babar, he came to smash and Bully India. Amir came to dismantle India, everyone was on their A game.

With misbah and Babar, we are not a united front. Every player is too busy fighting amongst themselves for their positions, and they do not by performing, but by boot licking their captains and liking comments on twitter.

Unlike ct 2017 we will not win 2023 wc because we are not a united front, we are busy fighting amongst ourselves, our own personal milestones.

Rizzu is the type of guy who's hoping Babar gets booted so he can be captain, and he wants no 4 for himself for his milestone, he won't bother shifting down. If pak is off to a flyer and chacha shpuld cone at 4 to up the ante, Rizzu will complain and want his own slot to not be taken.

Caring about milestones, positions and boot licking is why we will lose unlike 2017 where everyone was united and just focused on murdering india.

With misbah it wasn't about performances but more about friendship, misbah made umar amin a debutant his vice captain because he likes unar amin, Same way he had nasor jamshed open and umar akmal keep because he hates sarfi. Same with babar.

Look at sarfraz's nadir Ali podcast and then watch our shahid afridi interview for t20 world cup in 2016, and any of misbah's or babar's interviews. The mentality is ever present.

Sarfi may have had a poor 2018 run, but it wasn't because he was deliberately trying to Nuke the team, teams were playing better and they should be respected.

With babar and misbah, it's clear as daylight we are not playing our best team and everyone is not a collective unit. Only fanboys can't see this.

 

[ArabKnight]

I don't get the whole misbah support. Only arguments I see forth are, He took us to No 1 rank, or he won us Asia cup, or he was the most clutch player woth a 44 average during our dark days, or he had to play with a nothing team and still achieved results.

Point is misbah and Babar didn't establish a winning mindset like sarfraz did.

At the end of the day, Stats don't matter, rankings don't matter, and winning Asia cup which honestly is just a quad series, it ain't a cup doesn't matter.

CT 2017 early victories sa and Sri lanka may have been a fluke, but England and India victory wasn't. You don't just fluke a win by utterly destroying and humiliating 2 horrifically strong teams. We dismantled and bullied them because of mentality. We were mentally present and playing to restore honor which sarfi did while India and England were in it that day.

You gotta play for your country, and something bigger then yourself. Past records mean nothing. You do that by being united as a front and letting go of whatever drama you hold onto.

In CT 2017 fakhar didn't play like he was hitting a 100 for his selfish milestone, he was playing to dismantle India. Azhar Ali unlike imam who wants fakhar and Babar hand holding, was actually making sure that he kept pace with fakhar and was playing outside his natural comfort zone cause the cup is what matters.

Hafeez didn't complain that his so called opening and no 3 is being discarded to accommodate Babar, he came to smash and Bully India. Amir came to dismantle India, everyone was on their A game.

With misbah and Babar, we are not a united front. Every player is too busy fighting amongst themselves for their positions, and they do not by performing, but by boot licking their captains and liking comments on twitter.

Unlike ct 2017 we will not win 2023 wc because we are not a united front, we are busy fighting amongst ourselves, our own personal milestones.

Rizzu is the type of guy who's hoping Babar gets booted so he can be captain, and he wants no 4 for himself for his milestone, he won't bother shifting down. If pak is off to a flyer and chacha shpuld cone at 4 to up the ante, Rizzu will complain and want his own slot to not be taken.

Caring about milestones, positions and boot licking is why we will lose unlike 2017 where everyone was united and just focused on murdering india.

With misbah it wasn't about performances but more about friendship, misbah made umar amin a debutant his vice captain because he likes unar amin, Same way he had nasor jamshed open and umar akmal keep because he hates sarfi. Same with babar.

Look at sarfraz's nadir Ali podcast and then watch our shahid afridi interview for t20 world cup in 2016, and any of misbah's or babar's interviews. The mentality is ever present.

Sarfi may have had a poor 2018 run, but it wasn't because he was deliberately trying to Nuke the team, teams were playing better and they should be respected.

With babar and misbah, it's clear as daylight we are not playing our best team and everyone is not a collective unit. Only fanboys can't see this.

People value scoring runs on UAE roads at home, and achieving a meaningless ranking spot for a very dubious ranking system.

 

[mominsaigol]

If he would have been forced to retire from t20i's after 09 wc & from odi's after 11 wc his legacy & overall acceptance among fans would have been much greater, positive & less divisive. It's just that he was too stubborn to realize his method was obsolete for modern white ball cricket. The issue was that the guy was born in the 70's, so obviously he started at the top level in the 90's,an era when his kind of batting approach (see off the new ball,deadbat if necessary, take the game deep & blast off as much as possible in last 10 overs) was much appreciated in Pak cricket circuit. Unless your name was Saeed Anwar or Shahid Afridi everybody else played & perfected this method. Dude simply implemented that 15 years later when he finally became the king of Pak cricket. Another issue was lack of input from seniors like Afridi, Malik, Younus & Hafeez; who themselves were struggling for consistency & were just trying to save their own place.So naturally none of them bothered to give Misbah the much needed reality check. His contributions as test player & skipper are extremely valuable & always should be highly regarded & kept separated from his failures & limitations in shorter formats.

I disagree, I don't think anyone would even remember him lol, he would be a faded memory that no one would speak of if he retired in that time period as you said.

Ramiz raja would be a faded memory too, we ironically know ramiz more his analyst and commentary then we do for his cricket. I remember when I started watching, I thought he was just some random commentary expert lol.

Misbah is remembered for being controversial and putting up the "Misbah is our saviour moniker" otherwise ain't no one remembering him.

 

[mominsaigol]

People value scoring runs on UAE roads at home, and achieving a meaningless ranking spot for a very dubious ranking system.

The argument is annoying.

Misbah in 6 years won you a quadrangle series and people are deluding themselves by calling Asia cup a supposed icc cup, when like SENA is completly absent. And he took you to no 1 test rank, big whoop.

No one cares, it's more historic for a no 8 team who completly blow everyone out of the water and win a cup which includes every team besides minnows and is virtually a world cup then achieving a meaningless Mr no 1 test rank.

It's why players like Ben Stokes, Pointing, viv Richards are held in such high respect and someone like misbah and Babar is clowned on.

As the saying goes

"JAB BARA WAQAT ATA HAI, TO MISBAH AUR BABAR GHAIB HO JATEI HAIN"

Fans will always remember the 2013 CT where misbah made umar amin his vc and flopped every match lol.

Misbah is lucky fans don't give him flack for 2015 because sarfraz and wahab saved him from utter embarassment. Those 2 came good in an all important match and single handedly won you the most important game.

It's why people love sarfraz and will always love him more then Misbah or rizzu, only delusional fanboys love misbah or rizzu more.

Sarfi may be an inferior bat, or stats or nonsense, but that SA innings and the CT 2017 win and beating NZ and England in 2019 world cup is more memorable then whatever loony toon nonsense argument people make for misbah and Babar lol.

 

[topspin]

I don't get the whole misbah support. Only arguments I see forth are, He took us to No 1 rank, or he won us Asia cup, or he was the most clutch player woth a 44 average during our dark days, or he had to play with a nothing team and still achieved results.

Point is misbah and Babar didn't establish a winning mindset like sarfraz did.

At the end of the day, Stats don't matter, rankings don't matter, and winning Asia cup which honestly is just a quad series, it ain't a cup doesn't matter.

CT 2017 early victories sa and Sri lanka may have been a fluke, but England and India victory wasn't. You don't just fluke a win by utterly destroying and humiliating 2 horrifically strong teams. We dismantled and bullied them because of mentality. We were mentally present and playing to restore honor which sarfi did while India and England were in it that day.

You gotta play for your country, and something bigger then yourself. Past records mean nothing. You do that by being united as a front and letting go of whatever drama you hold onto.

In CT 2017 fakhar didn't play like he was hitting a 100 for his selfish milestone, he was playing to dismantle India. Azhar Ali unlike imam who wants fakhar and Babar hand holding, was actually making sure that he kept pace with fakhar and was playing outside his natural comfort zone cause the cup is what matters.

Hafeez didn't complain that his so called opening and no 3 is being discarded to accommodate Babar, he came to smash and Bully India. Amir came to dismantle India, everyone was on their A game.

With misbah and Babar, we are not a united front. Every player is too busy fighting amongst themselves for their positions, and they do not by performing, but by boot licking their captains and liking comments on twitter.

Unlike ct 2017 we will not win 2023 wc because we are not a united front, we are busy fighting amongst ourselves, our own personal milestones.

Rizzu is the type of guy who's hoping Babar gets booted so he can be captain, and he wants no 4 for himself for his milestone, he won't bother shifting down. If pak is off to a flyer and chacha shpuld cone at 4 to up the ante, Rizzu will complain and want his own slot to not be taken.

Caring about milestones, positions and boot licking is why we will lose unlike 2017 where everyone was united and just focused on murdering india.

With misbah it wasn't about performances but more about friendship, misbah made umar amin a debutant his vice captain because he likes unar amin, Same way he had nasor jamshed open and umar akmal keep because he hates sarfi. Same with babar.

Look at sarfraz's nadir Ali podcast and then watch our shahid afridi interview for t20 world cup in 2016, and any of misbah's or babar's interviews. The mentality is ever present.

Sarfi may have had a poor 2018 run, but it wasn't because he was deliberately trying to Nuke the team, teams were playing better and they should be respected.

With babar and misbah, it's clear as daylight we are not playing our best team and everyone is not a collective unit. Only fanboys can't see this.

Spot on. This is my POTW.

As you rightly pointed out there are so many similarities between Misbah's tenure as captain and what we're seeing from Babar, who's basically following the same template. Both of these guys are insecure which is why they relied on forming cliques.

Indeed, Sarfraz instilled a winning mindset in the Pakistan side during his time as captain. Under his leadership, we saw Pakistan win 2017 CT and we played some good cricket in the 2019 WC. We were a tad unlucky that our game against Sri Lanka was washed out. I fancied us to beat Sri Lanka 7 or 8 times out of 10. Had we beaten them, we would've been worthy semi-finalists.

Babar has a better talent pool to choose from but there's no way this team will be able to do anywhere near as well as Sarfraz's Pakistan side during the last ODI WC let alone reach the semis.

 

[mominsaigol]

Spot on. This is my POTW.

As you rightly pointed out there are so many similarities between Misbah's tenure as captain and what we're seeing from Babar, who's basically following the same template. Both of these guys are insecure which is why they relied on forming cliques.

Indeed, Sarfraz instilled a winning mindset in the Pakistan side during his time as captain. Under his leadership, we saw Pakistan win 2017 CT and we played some good cricket in the 2019 WC. We were a tad unlucky that our game against Sri Lanka was washed out. I fancied us to beat Sri Lanka 7 or 8 times out of 10. Had we beaten them, we would've been worthy semi-finalists.

Babar has a better talent pool to choose from but there's no way this team will be able to do anywhere near as well as Sarfraz's Pakistan side during the last ODI WC let alone reach the semis.

People who call sarfraz's victory a fluke also seem to forget he led the side to victory in Under 19 2006 and won a psl just before the 2017 CT Cup lol. He ain't a fluke captain, he knows how to lead in tournaments.

 

[aukhan]

Making Shadab VC should be included in the list of bizarre decisions made by Misbah.

 

[ArabKnight]

This WC failure is another crime of Misbah.

He was the one appointed Babar as captain when he was Chief Selector + Head Coach in 2019 after discussing with the Then-CEO Wasim Khan.

Then-Chairman Shahryar Khan had a comical statement where he said Misbah ul Haq Khan Niazi is a better captain than Imran Khan Niazi.

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Shaharyar praises Misbah, says he is a better captain than Imran Khan

PCB chairman was speaking during a National Assembly Standing Committee on Inter-Provincial Coordination meet

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Shaharyar Khan considers Misbahul Haq a better captain than World Cup-winning skipper Imran Khan.

Geo TV reported that Shaharyar, who was appearing before the National Assembly Standing Committee on Inter-Provincial Coordination on Thursday, said that Misbah is a much better captain than Imran but was quick to acknowledge that the latter is a much bigger political personality.

“Misbah is a much better captain than Imran Khan, although Imran is a much bigger political personality,” he said. “I respect Misbah as a person and am really impressed by what he has achieved as a captain, and his statistics and wins are testament to that.”

Shaharyar further talked about the successful staging of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) final in Lahore and said that it has played a huge part in convincing foreign players to come to play in Pakistan, something he believes will pave the way for the return of international cricket to the country.
Express Tribune

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It is a crime of Misbah to have so much favoritism inside the PCB. This is undue and unacceptable because it reeks of conflict of interest. Since Misbah is building his résumé—by pursuing a business degree while being a journalist on A Sports Pavilion Show—large indications that he may be seeking an executive PCB position.

I hope PCB hires people on merit. Not on favoritism, nepotism, etc. Misbah is someone who has blundered Pakistan cricket multiple times. It is a wounded team and needs new faces—no more Misbah.

 

[bala977]

Having Misbah as head of PCB is not a bad thing for Pak imo. Many Indians do not get the hate for Misbah but we dont follow your team that closely - Misbah always came across as a fighter on the field and a sensible professional off the field who is smart, analytical and articulate.

I am sure he'd have been one of the very very few Pakistanis coaching an IPL team if the Pak players were allowed to do so

 

[mominsaigol]

This WC failure is another crime of Misbah.

He was the one appointed Babar as captain when he was Chief Selector + Head Coach in 2019 after discussing with the Then-CEO Wasim Khan.

Then-Chairman Shahryar Khan had a comical statement where he said Misbah ul Haq Khan Niazi is a better captain than Imran Khan Niazi.

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Shaharyar praises Misbah, says he is a better captain than Imran Khan

PCB chairman was speaking during a National Assembly Standing Committee on Inter-Provincial Coordination meet

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Shaharyar Khan considers Misbahul Haq a better captain than World Cup-winning skipper Imran Khan.

Geo TV reported that Shaharyar, who was appearing before the National Assembly Standing Committee on Inter-Provincial Coordination on Thursday, said that Misbah is a much better captain than Imran but was quick to acknowledge that the latter is a much bigger political personality.

“Misbah is a much better captain than Imran Khan, although Imran is a much bigger political personality,” he said. “I respect Misbah as a person and am really impressed by what he has achieved as a captain, and his statistics and wins are testament to that.”

Shaharyar further talked about the successful staging of the Pakistan Super League (PSL) final in Lahore and said that it has played a huge part in convincing foreign players to come to play in Pakistan, something he believes will pave the way for the return of international cricket to the country.
Express Tribune

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It is a crime of Misbah to have so much favoritism inside the PCB. This is undue and unacceptable because it reeks of conflict of interest. Since Misbah is building his résumé—by pursuing a business degree while being a journalist on A Sports Pavilion Show—large indications that he may be seeking an executive PCB position.

I hope PCB hires people on merit. Not on favoritism, nepotism, etc. Misbah is someone who has blundered Pakistan cricket multiple times. It is a wounded team and needs new faces—no more Misbah.

You never backed sarfraz misbah. You wanted jamshed as a frontline over him in 2015 and had umar akmal keep even though sarfi is a keeper, umar isn't.

The point you made about lack of performance is fair, but credibility gets taken away simply due to the fact ik you've made people like umar amin your vice captain and people like asad shafiq at no 3, and you never liked sarfi and then booted him out as soon as you came back.

I'd believe you on performance if you actually had applied that criteria while you were being a captain or had applied that criteria while you were the selector, based of what performance does asif Ali get to be in the team?

 

[Asif321]

I respect misbah for lifting Pakistan cricket after 2010 fixing saga and he was a good test captain in Asia . But when it comes to his ODI mindset and his selection policies . Backing crap average players . Misbah has done plenty of blunders . Even made azhar Ali a captain .

 

[Kroll]

Allowing Misbah to keep sniffing around is a crime in itself. Wish the charlatan had disappeared for good after bailing out on the team prior to the T20 21 WC.

 

[mominsaigol]

He's just a decent test cricketer, a good test captain and a pretty solid captain when it comes to defending totals cause he knows how to tinker with field settings perfectly.

He however damaged Pakistan odi cricket beyond belief due to his stubborn approaches. Babar amd friends current approach to batting is no different from misbah's approach to batting, and It doesn't work in Pakistan cricket for obvious reason.

And he wasn't playing with a nothing team that people pretend he was playing with. He chose a nothing team and many players under him regressed mainly because of his culture of having aggressive pinch hitters at 6 and 7, whole having tuk tuk stat padders at 1 to 5.

Hafeez under misbah is a tuk tuk stat padder but as soon as misbah leaves he becomes an okayish attacking middle order bat?

 

[mominsaigol]

These guys spend hours rewriting history, making up stories, and even going to the extent of denigrating his university degree. And then expect to be taken seriously.

But I have a genuine question. Let's say what everything you say about misbah is true and factual.

How does that explain us becoming a joke team In 2015? Then recovering in 2017 and when he comes back, us becoming a joke team again? With MISBAH BEING THE ONE who appointed babar captain and azhar captain as well?

What about him selecting umar amin a debutant to be his vice captain? Or having umar akmal keep in wc 2015 but nor sarfraz your actual wk bat?

You can't keep hiding behind the whole he played with a nothing team and he did his best excuses when these facts are beyond evident.

If you and major despise babar as a captain, then acknowledge that misbah isn't a goat cause he appointed the guy as a captain and fully went forward with him and rizzu being the t20 openers.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

But I have a genuine question. Let's say what everything you say about misbah is true and factual.

How does that explain us becoming a joke team In 2015? Then recovering in 2017 and when he comes back, us becoming a joke team again? With MISBAH BEING THE ONE who appointed babar captain and azhar captain as well?

What about him selecting umar amin a debutant to be his vice captain? Or having umar akmal keep in wc 2015 but nor sarfraz your actual wk bat?

You can't keep hiding behind the whole he played with a nothing team and he did his best excuses when these facts are beyond evident.

If you and major despise babar as a captain, then acknowledge that misbah isn't a goat cause he appointed the guy as a captain and fully went forward with him and rizzu being the t20 openers.

He is a human being who made mistakes, especially in ODI and as a coach.

I mean its quite simple really.

But he's a convenient scapegoat for some and all blame is laid at his feet for a number of issues that have nothing to do with him.

You guys have discredited asia cup, his degree (lol), India series, UAE tests, world number 1 and a whole host of good that happened under his tenure.

 

[Major]

These guys spend hours rewriting history, making up stories, and even going to the extent of denigrating his university degree. And then expect to be taken seriously.

lol, 6 years since Misbah retired, but he lives rent free in the heads of the haters

 

[Major]

But I have a genuine question. Let's say what everything you say about misbah is true and factual.

How does that explain us becoming a joke team In 2015? Then recovering in 2017 and when he comes back, us becoming a joke team again? With MISBAH BEING THE ONE who appointed babar captain and azhar captain as well?

What about him selecting umar amin a debutant to be his vice captain? Or having umar akmal keep in wc 2015 but nor sarfraz your actual wk bat?

You can't keep hiding behind the whole he played with a nothing team and he did his best excuses when these facts are beyond evident.

If you and major despise babar as a captain, then acknowledge that misbah isn't a goat cause he appointed the guy as a captain and fully went forward with him and rizzu being the t20 openers.

bro, the last time Pakistan played in a World Cup KO stage was in 2015 under Misbah.

After that we are still trying hard.

 

[mominsaigol]

He is a human being who made mistakes, especially in ODI and as a coach.

I mean its quite simple really.

But he's a convenient scapegoat for some and all blame is laid at his feet for a number of issues that have nothing to do with him.

You guys have discredited asia cup, his degree (lol), India series, UAE tests, world number 1 and a whole host of good that happened under his tenure.

By that logic, Babar is a human being, who has made mistakes. And you are discrediting his no 1 rank, no 1 odi rank, Taking Pakistan to the finals of 2022 in world cup and Asia cup, Ending moqa moqa in 2021 t20 world cup, Having a historic win against Australia in 2019 after years and years etc etc

^^ Sounds amazing without any context and bias added right?

These mistakes are beyond endless, I gave a very small sample size. Also these aren't mistakes. It's evident to anyone who is unbiased and knows full well what his approach is.

I'm willing to give misbah credit where its due. Read my post I said to major earlier. I clearly highlighted the good misbah did lol, ik full well of what misbah has done both good and bad cause I'm the only one on this forumn who seems to look at things from an unbiased lens.

I'll say the same thing to you as I said to major. Be humble and control your folkelore fantasies.