Hey
@mominsaigol i got some time so I would like to have a discussion on the education factor and how it gave Misbah an edge. Just a discussion, no personal attacks to the player as such, not trying to convince, but just hear me out. It will be a long post, so whenever you have time we can further take this discussion.
Now this initial info i am typing is based on his interviews i have watched and the cricketers that have played with him have told me.
Look in country like Pakistan, Education really matters. Having a degree matters alot. Nowadays many people are running away from Pakistan on the basis of Masters scholarship. No matter what subject or field, they do their bachelors, than take get a visa for masters and make sure run away from the hell hole here. So a degree in Pakistan helps alot.
Now, basically Misbah's family was as such that his parents were teachers, his dad died when he was in grade 9, and he was only allowed to play cricket further by his mother if he attained education. He did his matric from Mianwali, than moved to Faisalabad for Fsc (12th grade), and than he did his Bachelors. At the same time he was playing club cricket and didn't know whether he will make it as a professional cricket or not. ( Now some posters were making fun of a guy who studied at a cheap uni, who didnt had a father earning).....
Once he did his Bachelors, it was after that he took cricket more serious and wanted to give an year or two. His bachelors degree was his back up that if cricket didnt work out. In one interview he said that after he did his bachelors, thats when his mom allowed him to do what he wants in his life cause atleast he has degree. So as he played cricket he at the same time wanted to do Masters as that was an education he always wanted to do, and thus he went for MBA.
One of his ex playing mates told me that there was a point at the start of his career when he was playing first class that Misbah was filling bank forms and was about to join a bank for a job as cricket wasnt working out.
Anyways, long story short, Cricket worked out.
Now Misbah's education did help him later on in his career.
You see, the difference between an education person and an uneducated person is that an educated person knows how to carry himself. Talk to others etc. Uneducated people tend to do very stupid things. And education is not just doing degree but also meeting people aswell. Im currently also pursuing a masters, and while the classes are just boring, but its the interaction with people if different fields and networking that helps in my grooming.
Now i have played 4 years of club cricket in Rawalpindi, and these players that we see on TV and go gaga, most of them are ill mannered individuals that dont even know how to talk properly. Most of them cant speak in urdu and speak in punjabi. I remember once Navid Malik of Rawalpindi Rams, was from our club and he got his cheque from PCB and the guy asked the coach for someone to deposit this in the bank across the street. The coach asked me cause and i did so. But the thing that baffled me the most was how this cricketer was giving me his bank account number and his cheque that was on name and not on account number. There are many other stories i have, alot of these guys didnt had an idea how to behave. Only Umar Amin was a great person and alot of these guys use to talk behind his back....
During the early days when Sheriyar Khan was the chairman in the starting 2000s, Misbah was being taunted as a potential captain and he got the A team captain. The reason for that was Sheriyar Khan is an ex diplomat. He comes across educated people all his time who he talks with. Our cricket is full of uneducated people, and thus, when an educated person meets another educated person they tend to give that person preferance in such fields.
This is why, when Misbah later became captain under Ijazz Butt, Misbah had the whole media against him. But even yet he survived Ijazz Butt, Zaka Ashraf, Najem Sethi, Sheriyar Khan and Ehsan Mani. Najem Sethi and Zaka Ashraf were two guys that were media savy. THey made decisions according to the media trend and misbah had the whole media and social media aginst him, yet he survived. Why? It was because of his education. He knew to deal with these people. You know why Younis Khan had a falling out with Ijazz Butt? Becuase Ijazz Butt made Younis wait and Younis took this as an insult. Meanwhile Misbah tells that he got the captaincy job by Ijazz in a meeting that was held in a clerks room because the pcb didnt want the news to be leaked to the media.
Misbah also survived different PM/Presidents, starting from Zardari, Shareefs, and even Imran.
The PCB administration will always hire educated people, the uneducated ones (mostly ex cricketers) get jobs like selector or coaches etc, but the top management jobs go to the educated people or educated cricketer.
Now look at this. When Zaka became chairman earlier, he didnt need a Technical committee to advice him at that time. Cause Misbah was captain and even though he asked Misbah to retire from T20I, still he listened to Misbah's advice.
Now when Zaka came back, he is not an ex cricketer and thus needed a technical committee to help him. Now Babar was the captain and Inzi was the selector, yet Zaka got Misbah as a Technical Committee member and involved him in meetings related to performance squad selection. Why? Because Zaka when dealing with Babar or Inzamam knows they are not educated and cant give proper reasoning, while a guy like Misbah is educated and can give reasoning.
Najem Sethi wanted Shan Masood as captain because when Sethi met with Masood he liked his educated personality. So the whole point is education gives you an edge.
Remember when during 2017-2018 players were being banned for not reporting spot fixing approaches? The reason for that was because in Pakistan, there is this culture where we say yar choro jjanay do... So when spot fixing approaches were made to our unpaar cricketers, they did the same thing. Which is why the likes of Nawaz, Irfan, annd even Umar Akmal got banned.
Sarfraz is an educated guy, and he reported the approach and didnt face such ban.
Point is, you need to stand out from the crowd.
Misbah will eventually become chairman of PCB or a Director, and that is because of the education he has. Zaheer Abbas was a cricketer from the past that held an ICC job cause he was an educated person. I think he went to University of Karachi.
Anyways, trolls will come and try to pick things from my post to make fun of etc, but
@mominsaigol i find you to be sensible.
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Look in country like Pakistan, Education really matters. Having a degree matters alot. Nowadays many people are running away from Pakistan on the basis of Masters scholarship. No matter what subject or field, they do their bachelors, than take get a visa for masters and make sure run away from the hell hole here. So a degree in Pakistan helps alot."
I understand. I am a pakistani living in Australia and trust me I understand, yes I'm only 22 and probably the youngest person here atm, but I get it. Major do you know how many pakistani's ik, that study a masters or bachelors from Pakistan, and then they go abroad to the US or UK or Aus with no networking and just the degree and end up working in 3rd class janitor positions?
The developed world is very different. A degree in the developed world is just an indication of where you gained your skills from, but it's not the be all and end all. Employers in the developed world value skills ie, do you know how to do the job you are applying for.
If you apply for the job of a video editor, then your resume must have a portfolio of some video editing and vfx effects you've done, along with the insitution you have done it in, so that employers can double check with the insitution that you have actually done it and not lying on your resume.
If you just bring a cv that says masters of whatever and shows the degree only, employers won't accept one bit. They just want to see what skills you have and the degree is their as proof.
But the issue is, their are alot of degrees that are genuinely theoretical and not practical, like Business or Social sciences. So unless their is some internship or something, that theoretical aspect is overlooked in the modern world. Maybe it's accepted in Pakistan. But not in US, UK, Aus, Uae or whatever. If you want to study business or maths sure, but then you better have tons and tons of internships as well, something developed uni's provide but Pakistan universities do not provide minus a few like Lums, Itu, Nust etc.
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Now, basically Misbah's family was as such that his parents were teachers, his dad died when he was in grade 9, and he was only allowed to play cricket further by his mother if he attained education. He did his matric from Mianwali, than moved to Faisalabad for Fsc (12th grade), and than he did his Bachelors. At the same time he was playing club cricket and didn't know whether he will make it as a professional cricket or not. ( Now some posters were making fun of a guy who studied at a cheap uni, who didnt had a father earning)....."
UMT isn't a cheap uni, it's hec recognised, meaning the developed world recognises it. It is wrong to make fun of a guy, I wasn't making fun of misbah BTW. I did that after you and deadly Venom started attacking me. Again not attacking you or making fun of you or anything. What happened happened and I've moved on, so no worries, my comments were also immature, and I shouldn't have retaliated the way I did. But the comments towards misbah were mad to anger you, because you were angering me lol.
My earlier comment was, I don't get the point of misbah's degree being used as an excuse to justify that he's intelligent to be a chairman. Life does not work like that. His degree itself has no relevance to how he will perform on the job, the degree that he did and the job that he's doing don't link, Maths and HR has no correlation to what he's doing which is more so operations, Logistics and business related work in the PCB.
So the whole Misbah's uni education argument makes zero sense? Wouldn't the better argument be that because he's an ex cricketer and has experience behind the operations of pcb, he shpuld lead? And not he shpuld lead because he's a maths and HR major? Lol
"You see, the difference between an education person and an uneducated person is that an educated person knows how to carry himself. Talk to others etc. Uneducated people tend to do very stupid things. And education is not just doing degree but also meeting people aswell. Im currently also pursuing a masters, and while the classes are just boring, but its the interaction with people if different fields and networking that helps in my grooming."
BRO I didn't say don't go to university? Uni is great for networking and meeting like minded people lol. But I do know alot of university majors who pursue useless degrees and find it to be a waste in general. The problem with university is that their are so many degrees, its now created an oversaturayed market where theirs a massive supply of students but a lack of demand. Hence students who stand out from the crowd are those that have the skills to stand out.
The purpose of the 3 idiots example was that rancho didn't go to university for the degree, he went for the education where the other guy chatur tried to be a Lone wolf, he tried to be superior to others and be a rata bazi. He liked in rancho's shadow cause rancho could network and build things, a vital skill for an engineer. Chatur was a rata bazi idiot.
If you're studying masters for networking and learning, then you're doing it for the right reasons. Good for you and great job, you're on the right track. If you went to uni and were an introvert who went class to class doing rata bazi like a moron, then you'd be idiot. Lol.
Uni life isn't one size fits all, it's how people choose to make the most of their experience. Ik alot of people who have gone to uni, and gotten nowhere, Cause their degree isn't practical, their networking is beyond tame, no effort to network with others outside their degree that can compliment their skills and their just limited minded in general.
"Now i have played 4 years of club cricket in Rawalpindi, and these players that we see on TV and go gaga, most of them are ill mannered individuals that dont even know how to talk properly. Most of them cant speak in urdu and speak in punjabi. I remember once Navid Malik of Rawalpindi Rams, was from our club and he got his cheque from PCB and the guy asked the coach for someone to deposit this in the bank across the street. The coach asked me cause and i did so. But the thing that baffled me the most was how this cricketer was giving me his bank account number and his cheque that was on name and not on account number. There are many other stories i have, alot of these guys didnt had an idea how to behave. Only Umar Amin was a great person and alot of these guys use to talk behind his back...."
Manners or ill manners has nothing to do with degree education. Their are degree holders who are degenerates lol. It depends on the environmental influences they were raised in and their own aptitude. That's a very different type of education argument that you're portraying. Also this is more so a pakistani issue, mainly cause in Australia even the lower class know how to speak English cause its the mother language of Australia whereas punjabi and urdu is the mother language of Pakistan. Like even me, I had to teach myself urdu, I couldn't speak it 3 to 4 years ago. And I can't read or write urdu, can only write English urdu, and even then It takes me a while to write and grasp it, cause I was raised in a developed country.
Education is lifelong learning, not degree based. Their people in this world who aren't degree holders ans their richer, more succesful, smarter and way way way more educated then I am and likely will be. If Umar Amin was a great person, it means he was raised well and had a good environmental influence. You don't need a degree to be a well mannered person, Unar Amin being a good example.
Also I never said misbah is mean, he has stubborn approaches to white ball cricket but he's not an angry man who isn't batimeez lol
. That's babar who's a mental midget lol. Misbah is clearly a level headed individual, that I already know.
Bro all your arguments are all seprate topics that you're linking together. These topics are individual amd stand on their own.
"During the early days when Sheriyar Khan was the chairman in the starting 2000s, Misbah was being taunted as a potential captain and he got the A team captain. The reason for that was Sheriyar Khan is an ex diplomat. He comes across educated people all his time who he talks with. Our cricket is full of uneducated people, and thus, when an educated person meets another educated person they tend to give that person preferance in such fields."
^^ Whats the point of this argument? This is another seprate topic, this is networking? I don't have issues with networking lol.
Bro education isn't one size meets all. Theirs different contexts to what someone is educated in or uneducated in. Kohli isn't even a metric pass but he's clearly one heck of a business man and a marketing genius when he isn't playing cricket, but he'd be clueless if he was a chairman cause he isn't good on operational sides of things, similarly misbah would be useless if you put him in a marketing situation lol. Misbah has an anyatical mindset, wouldn't work in a marketing based role.
Sheryar khan recommended him, I don't mind it? I don't have issues with misbah being networked and recommended lol.
"This is why, when Misbah later became captain under Ijazz Butt, Misbah had the whole media against him. But even yet he survived Ijazz Butt, Zaka Ashraf, Najem Sethi, Sheriyar Khan and Ehsan Mani. Najem Sethi and Zaka Ashraf were two guys that were media savy. THey made decisions according to the media trend and misbah had the whole media and social media aginst him, yet he survived. Why? It was because of his education. He knew to deal with these people. You know why Younis Khan had a falling out with Ijazz Butt? Becuase Ijazz Butt made Younis wait and Younis took this as an insult. Meanwhile Misbah tells that he got the captaincy job by Ijazz in a meeting that was held in a clerks room because the pcb didnt want the news to be leaked to the media."
BRO too many points galore. This is another seprate topic? Being Level headed and how level headed you is something different. Education can help in being Level headed but their many students and people who do jobs that end up commiting suicide because they couldn't handle it, Similarly many degree holders succumb to cyberbullying.
Misbah being able to casually handle media hate while babar crying like goldilocks is more a mental fortitude and shows how mentally strong misbah is. Their uneducated people out their who are just as mentally strong. Dhoni is less educated then misbah but he's mentally stronger and media nonsense doesn't bother him either.
Again dealing with media hate is a comoletly different subset in regards to knowledge and education and mindset. Doesn't have a correlation with degrees and subjects lol. It's an environmental topic, and heavily depends on the people you surround yourself with like friends, family etc.
"The PCB administration will always hire educated people, the uneducated ones (mostly ex cricketers) get jobs like selector or coaches etc, but the top management jobs go to the educated people or educated cricketer.
Now look at this. When Zaka became chairman earlier, he didnt need a Technical committee to advice him at that time. Cause Misbah was captain and even though he asked Misbah to retire from T20I, still he listened to Misbah's advice.
Now when Zaka came back, he is not an ex cricketer and thus needed a technical committee to help him. Now Babar was the captain and Inzi was the selector, yet Zaka got Misbah as a Technical Committee member and involved him in meetings related to performance squad selection. Why? Because Zaka when dealing with Babar or Inzamam knows they are not educated and cant give proper reasoning, while a guy like Misbah is educated and can give reasoning."
This has nothing to do with degree. Bro education is a very bery broad subset. Misbah is being sought after because he's educated beyond just a degree. He has a good upbringing from family, has had decent connections, good environmental influences that have taught him to present well and develop an anyltical mindset, Dhoni, kohli, all these lads are in the same boat despite not being degree holders.
Reason why babar isn't consulted isn't because he lacks a degree. It's because babar's environmental standards are automatically lower then misbah's. He's raised in a poorer quality of life standard in general, and his network consists of people who are uneducated due to them being from an undeveloped world where theirs no access to Internet sources etc.
Bro Misbah is educated, Babar is uneducated. Education however is so goddamn broad. You can't classify it into one category, it's too much. Life is life long learning. Theirs no such thing as completing your education lol, you learn day by day. Education is not about the degrees you hold
. Education =/= degree. Misbah being analytical and well presented Is a skill he's learned for his development. Theirs no degree saying Misbah studied in umt and is being awarded the category of best presenter lol.
Bhai education is a life long learning process that has so many factors. How you present, how you talk, what environmental influences you have had over the years like parents, friends, family, what skills theyve passed on, like for example maybe your dad taught you how to tie a tie and shave, your mom taught you how to clean and cook, your friend taught you how to design, your uni taught you how to animate, your passion taught you how to play cricket etc.
Education is not defined by degrees. It's an entire environmental process. Misbah is educated because his parents are teachers who taught him values, his network is surrounded by people who are well mannered and can deal with media issues and people learn from observing, and operations wise, he's had a good look at the entire pcb process so he understands it.
Babar is uneducated because his parents aren't capable of teaching the right values, his own friends like rizwan, Imam themselves are degenerates. A MATHS DEGREE HAS ZERO REVELANCE HERE.
Imam is from an even more educated family then Misbah, Inzi's son literally studied at aitchison collledge which use to he deemed as the best school in Pakistan, Imam is of a similar boat. But you wouldn't say Imam is more educated then misbah, because Imam's influences and learning is from a degenerate crowd.
You're confusing degrees for learning. A person is shaped by his or her influences. Mom, Dad, Friends, Family, strangers etc.
Who they met, what they taught them, what did they know, what skills they passed on, what knowledge they passed on.
A harvard graduate can be a degenerated idiot of his parents, friends, family members are chain smokers who taught him wrong values.
Degree has nothing to do with this, it's a very very very small part of what mindset misbah learned to adopt and what makes misbah who he is.
Misbah is educated. Obviously. Never denied that. But him being educated doesn't mean he's a good fit for the job of selector or chairman.
Education is too broad a topic to clarify and fit into a category. Too kuch semantics involved and too much of a headache. But degree is an extremely small part of it. Doesn't define anything.
