Current Indian team vs the Pakistan team of the 1990s

[street cricketer]

Let's look at it this way......Indian Batting vs Pakistani Bowling

Kohli very recently faced a Rampaging Amir in Mirpur where the ball was swinging very similar to how Waqar & Wasim used to do. He had to see off Amir to then counter attack on the other end. In the 90s team there is no such thing as counter attacking the other end, there will be practically 4 ATG level bowlers bowling at him constantly - at their respective peaks of course and would make it really difficult for him to get them Away.

He has to face the 2 Ws (arguably THE BEST pace bowling duo of all times), A pace demon who literally bowls 95+ mph every freaking delivery and an LOI ATG spinner in Saqlain - The first one really to master the art of spin death bowling and then of course inventing the Doosra.

The 5th support bowler would be Azhar Mahmood or Razzaq (both of whom were quite pacy during the 90s) almost 140+ish so again the reprieve of the 5th bowler isn't there as well. Kohli and Dhoni are the only ones even CAPABLE of playing these kinds of bowlers. Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvraj and hacks like Raina would be really made to look damn funny to be honest.

Now let's come to the bowling of India.

This is the lineup that they Indian bowlers comprising of Ashwin, Bumrah, Nehra, Jadeja and Yuvraj / Raina would be bowling to.

Saeed Anwar (The guy was for a brief period in the 90s competing with Sachin for the LOI record of Desmon Haynes - Most ODI centuries)
Amir Sohail
Inzi (Keep in mind his spin and Pace Playing Ability)
Ijaz (A competent Middle Order Bat)
Saleem Malik (A very decent Bat in the 80s and 90s - go check his records on cricinfo)
Rashid / Moin
Wasim
Razzak / Azhar

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Result wise it's not even a competition in test, 9/10 it would be the thumping of epic proportions and the 1 / 10 would be the draw scenario if Dhoni and Kohli got stuck in. In LOI there is no seeing off the bowler scenario as well for either of Kohli and Dhoni so they'd have to take chances against an attack that has 4 ATG LOI bowlers - If you guys think that Kohli and Dhoni are good enough to hit out against Wasim, Waqar, Shoiab and Saqlain then.........Good for you but I personally don't see them dominating us in any way. (This is all my opinion - please don't just simply start bashing me now)

However, the above results would only matter if they play 100% fairly, i.e. no fixing etc is done in any of the games. 90s was a very dark era for Pakistan cricket as far as fixing allegations goes.

This I'm afraid is a hyperbole.

For starters,

The Asia cup match was played on literally a grass bank wicket and hence the incredible swing of Amir. Unless all the matches are played on such wickets, not all balls are going to have a banana swing like that.

The 90s Pak bowling attack was an excellent one and a top class unit and one I highly respect, but it's over exaggeration to say that no one can score runs against it. A 21 year old Yuvraj scored a run a ball 50 against that same attack in the world cup in South Africa. Heck Kaif scored 35 and we have had much better batsmen than Kaif. So that was another hyperbole to suggest that Yuvraj and co would be made to look funny everytime.

Moreover most present day batsmen are comfortable against pace. They struggle when pace gets coupled with lateral movement. If pace was the be all end all of bowling, Wahab would have been the most dangerous bowler against India. And the match fixing argument is a strawman. It's like Indian fans accusing the Indian team's world cup final loss against Australia of match fixing.

Anyway I find the thread a bit absurd. The 90s team was arguably the best ever team of Pakistan, while our present team is one of our weaker ones. A correct comparison would be comparing the Indian team of 2000s/2011 and the Pakistan 90s team.

 

[Greenstorm]

Saeed Anwar
Aamir Sohail
Miandad
Ijaz Ahmed
Inzamam
Razzaq
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Mushtaq Ahmed


Current Indian team can not compete with this line up. I am not going with Imran Khan, otherwise it will become totally one sided.

 

[carrom_ball]

Saeed Anwar
Aamir Sohail
Miandad
Ijaz Ahmed
Inzamam
Razzaq
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Mushtaq Ahmed


Current Indian team can not compete with this line up. I am not going with Imran Khan, otherwise it will become totally one sided.

Our 90s team competed with this line up people exaggerating the past

 

[Chrish]

90s Pak team looked good on paper but achieved very little..

Not that current Indian team is any better

 

[Vayuu]

2011 indian team with virat 2.0, Bumrah, ashwin and jadeja will be a very strong team to beat and dare I say can match pak team of 90's.

 

[Pete Rose]

Maybe in terms of quality of players the Pakistan team of the 90's was better, but in terms of the results achieved the current Indian team is better.

 

[hur rizvi]

90s Pakistan team, so much swag

In ODIs it would be a tough competition but in tests that 90s team with Waz, Waqar, Saqi, Mushi and Akhtar/Aqib has almost all bases covered as a cricket team. They had potential to do a lot more than they did due to all the infighting.

 

[hur rizvi]

90s Pak team looked good on paper but achieved very little..

Not that current Indian team is any better

They achieved a lot but didnt fulfill their potential and it was substantial

ODI WC in overseas conditions of Aus, World series in Australia

Test wins in England (92,96) and NZ (93,95 IIRC)

Drawn test series in SA (98)

Beating India 2-1 in India

Asian test championship towards turn of the century

 

[Im Suds]

As the heading says, which team you think is better?

Pakistan team of 90s consisted of players like Imran, W's, Shoiab, Saqlain, Anwar, Inzy, Saleem Malik etc.

Team India of today has modern day superstars like Kohli, MSD, Yuvraj, Ashwin etc.

If a match has to happen between these 2 teams in their absolute peaks, who would win?

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Depends which 90 s team. The Pakistan team after the 1992 World Cup had a rampant bowling attack of Waqar & wasim ( at their peak) then Aqib & mushy - I think this side would of beaten India in both ODI s & tests.
1996 side was a class batting team ( anwar, sohail, Salem Malik, Inzi, Ijaz) but wasim & Waqar weren't as quick ( still good though) and mushy was our best bowler. While India beat us in that classic quarter final we looked the better side overall.
In 1999 ( a team I know a lot of pp rave about) the gaps between the sides really began to narrow- yes we had shoaib but for me saqi even at his peak never bowled out teams like mushy- wasim, Waqar were a bit passed their best. Our most talented batsmen at the least time was m yousaf.
By the 2003 World Cup India went clearly ahead with unbelievable strong & aggressive batting order that was too much for our ageing attack

 

[Cinnamon_Cookie]

easy really. Pak would win easily. Pak of 90's has ATG bowlers and India of now has lotsa hacks in the batting dept who will get floored by the pak bowlers..

 

[kamal]

lol ! Pak would thrash us like they did in the 90's.

But on turning pitches , With Dhoni from 5 yrs ago, yuvi from 8 yrs ago ,n-form Rohit and present day kohli we might have a good chance in ODI's.

 

[Asif khan]

It would be like Lahore all over again watching Ijaz bat against this Indian attack..

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[Buffet]

Team India today is not really a gun team. 6-7 years ago India had a gun team.

 

[greatest]

In your opinion if the Pakistani team of the 90s- I mean the team post Imran after 1992 played against the current Indian team in a test and ODI series (home & away)...who will dominate?

 

[UP]

The 90’s team was full of legends and they will kill this current Indian team.

Too bad they never played like a team, hence couldn’t donimate in the 90’s.

 

[Dingolfy]

The 90’s team was full of legends and they will kill this current Indian team.

Too bad they never played like a team, hence couldn’t donimate in the 90’s.

Depends on the era and rules that they would be playing with.If its 90's, then obviously 90's Pak team as none of Indian batsmen other than Kohli are good enough to handle 90's bowlers in those pitches with those rules.
If its current era with current rules, then I would chose current Indian team as today's pattas and two new balls will make 90's bowlers toothless and their fielding and batting firepower are better than any team in 90's.

 

[Itachi]

Depends on the era and rules that they would be playing with.If its 90's, then obviously 90's Pak team as none of Indian batsmen other than Kohli are good enough to handle 90's bowlers in those pitches with those rules.
If its current era with current rules, then I would chose current Indian team as today's pattas and two new balls will make 90's bowlers toothless and their fielding and batting firepower are better than any team in 90's.

Basically this. It will depend upon the circumstances where it is played.

 

[Mamoon]

Ridiculous thread.

3 World Cup matches, 3 defeats. In fact, we should also include the 2003 World Cup, basically it was the same side. Hence:

4 World Cups, 4 defeats. Moreover, they also lost to the 90’s India in a couple of other finals as well.

The current Indian team will beat the 90’s Pakistan team in important games, although that Pakistan team was exceptional at winning meaningless soft games.

So the final verdict is that the Pakistan of the 90’s might do well against the current India team in Cherry Blossom, Coca-Cola, Kiwi Shoe Polish, Dalda Cooking Oil, Wills Cigarette, Jubilee Chocolate Cups, but in World Cups, this Indian team will smash the 90’s Pakistan.

The amount of chest thumping by Pakistani fans in this thread is comical, especially when you consider the fact that they failed to beat India in four World Cups.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Ridiculous thread.

3 World Cup matches, 3 defeats. In fact, we should also include the 2003 World Cup, basically it was the same side. Hence:

4 World Cups, 4 defeats. Moreover, they also lost to the 90’s India in a couple of other finals as well.

The current Indian team will beat the 90’s Pakistan team in important games, although that Pakistan team was exceptional at winning meaningless soft games.

So the final verdict is that the Pakistan of the 90’s might do well against the current India team in Cherry Blossom, Coca-Cola, Kiwi Shoe Polish, Dalda Cooking Oil, Wills Cigarette, Jubilee Chocolate Cups, but in World Cups, this Indian team will smash the 90’s Pakistan.

The amount of chest thumping by Pakistani fans in this thread is comical, especially when you consider the fact that they failed to beat India in four World Cups.

If the current Indian team would beat the Pakistani team of the 90s, it would be a fluke.

 

[Mamoon]

If the current Indian team would beat the Pakistani team of the 90s, it would be a fluke.

The 90’s Pakistan didn’t have the killer mentality after Imran retired. If they had someone like Kohli in the team, they would have achieved so much more.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Pakistan team of the 80s was much much better and much more consistent..it was unlucky that they lost their both SF in 1983 and 1987 WC after winning almost all group matches.

That team was an ATG team and more importantly had excellent leadership in IK and JM

The Pakistan team of the 90s was very very inconsistent due to leadership issues and would get thrashed by India

 

[Big Mac]

The Pakistan team would win over a long test or ODI series but they'd almost certainly choke if it was a big international knockout game.

 

[Ab Fan]

If we are talking of limited overs, current Indian team isn't all that good. Gone are the days when Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Raina and Dhoni all were game-changers and could turn the game when it mattered the most.

The good part though is that Dinesh Karthik is performing at his best ever these days and if he can continue his IPL form for an year, he will do the Raina role as good as Raina himself ever did. The top 3 is brilliant and if MSD comes good in tense situations like he has always been all his career, then history can be repeated again in 2019 WC. The bowling is good with Bhuvi, Bumrah, Umesh and Chahal.

In test cricket, a lot will depend on Pujara and Rahane.