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As we all know, on one side we have a team that was known to be a fast bowler factory (Pakistan) hitting drastic new lows in bowling and on other side we have a team that struggled to produce any fast bowler at all (India) hitting new highs in fast bowling.

I could not help but draw a comparison between the current toothless Pakistani fast bowling and Indian toothless fast bowling of 1990s. The resemblance is uncanny. Back in 1990s, Indian fans used to dread their own bowling and turn their tvs off when it was their team's turn to bowl and only turn it on when they bat, especially to watch how the legendary Tendulkar bat. It is the same thing now with Pakistani fans, it is torturous to watch own bowling and only thing to look forward to is to see how Babar bats.

Any thoughts or maybe stats that you guys would like to share?
 
If Aus tour was the standard than Pak bowling can be called poor even in 90s. Maybe not as poor but still couldnt do anything in Aus.
 
This present Pakistani bowling attack (Test only) is shockingly bad. It was not this bad 2 years ago. Indian attack in 90's was probably better than this.

Pakistan haven't been able to replace Amir and Wahab. Musa seems ordinary. Naseem has potential but he is currently a work in progress.
 
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If Aus tour was the standard than Pak bowling can be called poor even in 90s. Maybe not as poor but still couldnt do anything in Aus.

Pakistan bowling was good in Australia in 90s. They could not win due to fragile batting, sometimes dropped catches or poor umpiring in crunch moment
 
Not just bowling, batting also not so great except here and there some moments.
Babar is the only and lonely fighter
 
Pakistan bowling was good in Australia in 90s. They could not win due to fragile batting, sometimes dropped catches or poor umpiring in crunch moment

Yes umpiring used to be dreadful in those days. I have seen some clips from past and shocked to see some easy lbw and catch decisions going against Pakistan. I am 100% sure of much better performance from Pakistani side if we had DRS back then.
 
Indian bowlers in 90's
Kumble and Srinath much better than any current paksitani bowler
 
Indian fast bowlers in the 1990s generally averaged in the 30 to 35 range:

Kapil Dev: 32.24
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Srinath: 30.19
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

BKV Prasad: 34.09
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Pakistani bowlers have taken 11 wkts on the Australian tour while conceding 882 runs, which works out to an average of 80.2. If you count only completed innings, their average is 58.
 
Indian fast bowlers in the 1990s generally averaged in the 30 to 35 range:

Kapil Dev: 32.24
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Srinath: 30.19
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

BKV Prasad: 34.09
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Pakistani bowlers have taken 11 wkts on the Australian tour while conceding 882 runs, which works out to an average of 80.2. If you count only completed innings, their average is 58.

You don't pick and choose averages like that.
 
Pakistan bowling was good in Australia in 90s. They could not win due to fragile batting, sometimes dropped catches or poor umpiring in crunch moment

Whats your definition of good as only Wasim was good, both Waqar and Akhtar averaged over 40 in Aus.
 
It’s marginally better than the current Bangladesh attack.

Disagree, don't think Bangladesh bowling attack even without Shakib will be this toothless. Last test match, Bangladesh bowling got India at 347/9 in their own home (pink ball test) while Pakistan is 302/1 against Australia and going at crr of 4.14. The only bowling attack that Pakistan is marginally better than is Afghanistan currently.
 
Disagree, don't think Bangladesh bowling attack even without Shakib will be this toothless. Last test match, Bangladesh bowling got India at 347/9 in their own home (pink ball test) while Pakistan is 302/1 against Australia and going at crr of 4.14. The only bowling attack that Pakistan is marginally better than is Afghanistan currently.

Again. Different conditions. So not sure that Bangladesh bowling would do any better than Pakistani bowling in Australia.

Which Bangladeshi bowlers are better than their Pakistani counterpart? Genuinely curious to know coz I don’t know much about their abilities.
 
I think Srinath is a better test bowler than anyone Pakistan has produced since Shoaib Akhtar, leaving out Asif as he didn't had a long enough career to be taken into consideration although he was quality.
 
I think Srinath is a better test bowler than anyone Pakistan has produced since Shoaib Akhtar, leaving out Asif as he didn't had a long enough career to be taken into consideration although he was quality.
I agree. He had no support though that's why it appears as if even shaoibwas better. prime srinath was a beast.
 
Again. Different conditions. So not sure that Bangladesh bowling would do any better than Pakistani bowling in Australia.

Which Bangladeshi bowlers are better than their Pakistani counterpart? Genuinely curious to know coz I don’t know much about their abilities.

Abu Jayed and Al amin would have definitely put up a better performance than Trundler abbas and Musa in pink ball test.
 
As we all know, on one side we have a team that was known to be a fast bowler factory (Pakistan) hitting drastic new lows in bowling and on other side we have a team that struggled to produce any fast bowler at all (India) hitting new highs in fast bowling.

I could not help but draw a comparison between the current toothless Pakistani fast bowling and Indian toothless fast bowling of 1990s. The resemblance is uncanny. Back in 1990s, Indian fans used to dread their own bowling and turn their tvs off when it was their team's turn to bowl and only turn it on when they bat, especially to watch how the legendary Tendulkar bat. It is the same thing now with Pakistani fans, it is torturous to watch own bowling and only thing to look forward to is to see how Babar bats.

Any thoughts or maybe stats that you guys would like to share?


In Aus

India played 7 tests in 90s in Aus - Avg 36 with ER 2.81

Pakistan played 9 tests in 90s in Aus - Avg 36 with ER 3.06

It seems Indian did not do worse than Pakistani bowling unit in Aus in 90s.


Pakistan played 7 tests in in 2010s in Aus - Avg 54 with ER 3.88


Pakistan's bolwing in the current and last tour has been poor in Aus. Before that it was not that great, but not poor as well. Indians only did well in last tour otherwise they have been average or below average as well.
 
btw 90s india never lost a series ast home. Even spanked australia.

Misbah's team vs 90s india at home will be a tough battle at home. Don't know who wins.
 
India had a bowling attack of Srinath, Prasad, Agarkar, and Kumble for the 99 tour, on paper reckon from the current Pakistan line-up only Shaheen gets in that team in place of Agarkar.

However, India's bowling stats from that trip show that Srinath took 10 wickets at an average of 46, Prasad 7 at 50, Agarkar a creditable 11 at 31, whereas Kumble was carted all around for a measly 5 wickets at 90! These are slim pickings and easily comparable with what Pakistan have delivered on this tour.

Funnily enough, 5 foot 7 Ajit Agarkar was the most effective bowler on that trip. Given that he also won India a test on the following trip in 2003, he seems a slight anomaly in the old theory that you have to be tall to succeed in Australia.
 
Indian bowling was much better, we had Kumble, Srinath and Prasad, all were comfortably better than this current Pakistani lot.
 
Yeah, in the 90s that team had more fight than this one. The comparison you made was way off.

Also shows some ridiculous decisions against Pakistan by umpires who were clearly biased against us. As I have said earlier, Pakistani team from 90s would have much better stats if DRS existed back then.
 
Also shows some ridiculous decisions against Pakistan by umpires who were clearly biased against us. As I have said earlier, Pakistani team from 90s would have much better stats if DRS existed back then.

We had them against the ropes it took a bit of umpiring help for Pakistan to lose and also a fantastic innings by Gilchrist. I wish we showed this kind of fight in this Test. Such a shame really.
 
As we all know, on one side we have a team that was known to be a fast bowler factory (Pakistan) hitting drastic new lows in bowling and on other side we have a team that struggled to produce any fast bowler at all (India) hitting new highs in fast bowling.

I could not help but draw a comparison between the current toothless Pakistani fast bowling and Indian toothless fast bowling of 1990s. The resemblance is uncanny. Back in 1990s, Indian fans used to dread their own bowling and turn their tvs off when it was their team's turn to bowl and only turn it on when they bat, especially to watch how the legendary Tendulkar bat. It is the same thing now with Pakistani fans, it is torturous to watch own bowling and only thing to look forward to is to see how Babar bats.

Any thoughts or maybe stats that you guys would like to share?

Lol We never used to turn of TV and all.
Though bowling was not competitive but used to enjoy our batting!!
Stop coming to conclusion.
 
Lol barbar is compared to sachin level

We had dravid, Ganguly, Laxman in batting.

So which current player is compared in current pak team.
 
Also shows some ridiculous decisions against Pakistan by umpires who were clearly biased against us. As I have said earlier, Pakistani team from 90s would have much better stats if DRS existed back then.

I agree. Same happened to india when they played the Aussies. Aussies have always been conniving scummy cheats.
 
Pakistan had a teenage bowling line up. They will improve.

Srinath and Kumble weren't that bad yaar :( Give some respect lol.
 
Pakistan had a teenage bowling line up. They will improve.

Srinath and Kumble weren't that bad yaar :( Give some respect lol.

Still find it funny how the tides have turned. We are in a time where Pakistan bowling is worser than Indias. No longer is it our right to belittle the Indian bowling attack.
 
Still find it funny how the tides have turned. We are in a time where Pakistan bowling is worser than Indias. No longer is it our right to belittle the Indian bowling attack.

Its ok bro you have a teenage bowling line up. In 2-3 years ir hopefully earlier they can still become the best if one of the best in the world. The talent is there.
 
Pakistan had a teenage bowling line up. They will improve.

Srinath and Kumble weren't that bad yaar :( Give some respect lol.

they were great bowlers. India always had good opening bowlers. first change was the issue as there was no one else to support the primary opening pair.

pak had waqar wasim and then first change would be shoaib for example.
then saqlain
last but not least azhar could bowl some decent medium pace too. Depth made the difference.

India lacked that in 90s. I still believe their averages would have been as good as the other all time greats had they been given proper support from the first change bowlers.
 
Two different generations, therefore it’s unfair to compare h2h, but in comparison to contemporary cricket- this is absolutely hilarious comparison.

First, in 1990s, there was no free lunch - weakest two teams were ZIM, SRL and they were no where near hopeless like teams outside top 5 these days.

Then, that Indian attack is as absolutely world class at home - Kumble took 6+ wickets/Test at <20 average and 2.2 economy. Add to that Srinath, Prashad & 2nd spinner - that attack at home was among best. Outside Asia, still that attack was decent - Srinath was brilliant with new ball, Prashad wasn’t the fastest, but knew how to use new ball - took 10for the n SAF, 5for in UK; Kumble was always economical- India to anyone’s surprise actually lost few Tests away from home for the failure of their much vaunted batting - bowlers did set the match for them.

Compared to that, this PAK attack is better in only two counts - talent and future potential.
 
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Yeah, in the 90s that team had more fight than this one. The comparison you made was way off.

Isnt the thread about bowling? And I have put forward the stats which were mediocre other than Wasim.
 
Two different generations, therefore it’s unfair to compare h2h, but in comparison to contemporary cricket- this is absolutely hilarious comparison.

First, in 1990s, there was no free lunch - <B>weakest two teams were ZIM, SRL</B> and they were no where near hopeless like teams outside top 5 these days.

Then, that Indian attack is as absolutely world class at home - Kumble took 6+ wickets/Test at <20 average and 2.2 economy. Add to that Srinath, Prashad & 2nd spinner - that attack at home was among best. Outside Asia, still that attack was decent - Srinath was brilliant with new ball, Prashad wasn’t the fastest, but knew how to use new ball - took 10for the n SAF, 5for in UK; Kumble was always economical- India to anyone’s surprise actually lost few Tests away from home for the failure of their much vaunted batting - bowlers did set the match for them.

Compared to that, this PAK attack is better in only two counts - talent and future potential.

Sri Lanka were hardly a weak team. They were better than India, England and New Zealand.
 
Sri Lanka were hardly a weak team. They were better than India, England and New Zealand.

India was better, thanks to home performance. But SL were arguably on par with England and NZ.
 
Not in Test; in ODI they were arguably among top 2 teams of the decade.

In test they won the series in Pakistan, Newzealand,won a test match in England, biggest accomplishment was winning the series against great Aussie team in 1999.
 
Not in Test; in ODI they were arguably among top 2 teams of the decade.

Top 2? Aus, SA, Pak were ahead easily. SL did won a WC but so did Aus and Pak each and SA were arguably the best ODI team in 90s except that they couldn't make it count in '92 and '99 or even in '96.

In tests, will put them ahead of NZ.
 
In test they won the series in Pakistan, Newzealand,won a test match in England, biggest accomplishment was winning the series against great Aussie team in 1999.

Still I’ll rank the 90s like Aus, SAF, PAK, WIN, then ENG, SRL, NZ & IND in a club... even ZIM wasn’t minnow like current minnows - they won a Yest against PAK by innings, losing 4 wickets, won a series in PAK and beat their Nadia twice at Harare.

But, yes - I actually do agree that they were not the last of the bunch.
 
Top 2? Aus, SA, Pak were ahead easily. SL did won a WC but so did Aus and Pak each and SA were arguably the best ODI team in 90s except that they couldn't make it count in '92 and '99 or even in '96.

In tests, will put them ahead of NZ.

I think SA was unlucky in 1992 and 1999 WC.
 
I think SA was unlucky in 1992 and 1999 WC.

'92- A big yes
'99- NO(it was a stupid blunder at the worst possible time)

Even in '96, they were going excellent in the group stage and WI knocked them out in knockouts, similar to '11 WC, where NZ knocked them out.
 
Top 2? Aus, SA, Pak were ahead easily. SL did won a WC but so did Aus and Pak each and SA were arguably the best ODI team in 90s except that they couldn't make it count in '92 and '99 or even in '96.

In tests, will put them ahead of NZ.

Between 2994 to 1998, they were really good ODI side. SAF won lots of bilateral games, but SRL won tournaments, should have won the 1996 WSC as well, but for Aussie Umpires. May not be top two, top 4 definitely.
 
Not in Test; in ODI they were arguably among top 2 teams of the decade.

They were nowhere among top 2 in ODI actually.

Aus
SA
Pak

Gap

Sri Lanka
West Indies
India

Gap

Rest
 
SAF wasn’t unlucky in 1992, rather justice was served by havens. Those days, rule was after 3.5 hours, first innings ends. England was like 190/1 after 35 overs with an hour to go ... SAF bowled 10-12 overs in last hour to finish the innings in 45 overs and England stranded at 5 down for 250 or so. Absolute disgraceful, because it was a deliberate ploy and they finished 10 overs of their main bowlers in that 45 overs .... and I saw Donald changing boots couple of times!!!

They deserved it - that time the rule of game duration was strict to manage Channel 9’s schedule, hence the game wasn’t extended to accommodate two overs; but same rule didn’t allow ENG to bat last 5 overs, against lesser bowlers.

1999 was pure stupidity- they had the chance to eliminate Australia twice; wasted both opportunities.
 
They were nowhere among top 2 in ODI actually.

Aus
SA
Pak

Gap

Sri Lanka
West Indies
India

Gap

Rest

SRL was far better than India in ODI to be honest - probably as good as PAK, because they won many key games against PAK. Australia & SAF we’re not far ahead. In 90s, compilation was quite high and no eady game - even ZIM was a good one day unit.
 
SRL was far better than India in ODI to be honest - probably as good as PAK, because they won many key games against PAK. Australia & SAF we’re not far ahead. In 90s, compilation was quite high and no eady game - even ZIM was a good one day unit.

india dint lose a series at home in 90s. can't say the same about Lanka or pakistan in 90s. no? I know Lanka lost for sure At home. Not sure about pakistan.
 
Test match frustration is diverted into other places. Very much required for you guys today. Please carry on
 
Isn't 96 when Indians burnt their own stadium while getting thrashed by Sri Lanka at home?

yes but at least they made it to semis. We lost to a better team. infact india lost twice to Lanka. Second one in the semis seemed a bit dubious. Was it fixed? I don't know but until proven otherwise you get to give Lanka credit. They were just outstanding through out the tournament.
 
Test match frustration is diverted into other places. Very much required for you guys today. Please carry on

You know the burn is real when an incident, albeit shameful for us, that happened over two decades ago was brought back in a thread that has got absolutely nothing to do with it 😂
 
SRL was far better than India in ODI to be honest - probably as good as PAK, because they won many key games against PAK. Australia & SAF we’re not far ahead. In 90s, compilation was quite high and no eady game - even ZIM was a good one day unit.

I went with W/L and its about similar for India, SL and WI.

WI around 1.07, India around 1.01 and SL around 0.91 but SL won the WC. So, put them at no.4 which anyways they deserved. WI at 5 and India at 6, then England and finally NZ.

Anyways, thread is completely different. So, will better stay on-topic.
 
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Mediocre as they maybe, Srinath and Prasad were better than the current players playing against Australia. The current Pakistani fast bowlers are pretty rubbish. They have age on their side so maybe they turn into decent ones.
 
SRL was far better than India in ODI to be honest - probably as good as PAK, because they won many key games against PAK. Australia & SAF we’re not far ahead. In 90s, compilation was quite high and no eady game - even ZIM was a good one day unit.
The first cricket I watched was Independence cup sometime around late 90's I guess, I was like 6 or 7 and vaguely remember watching the games with my dad and uncles, it was so traumatic and demoralizing to see India getting smashed by Pak and SL, I remember Anwar's 194 and Jayasuriya's 'Dhulai', whatever little memories I can recollect now from 97-00 were all mostly scary and painful with some gentle breezes in between like Ganguly's knock at Taunton. We have come a long way since then. I am glad that those days are over.
 
I can't believe that 1990s Indian team is starting to look so much better compared to these Pakistani bowlers/batters.
 
Srinath >Shaheen (performance wise not potential)
Abbas>Prasad
Prabhakar>Naseem.

So performance wise pace bowling is on par or maybe India just edges it
Spinners
Kumble >>Yasir
Raju>shadab, gohar.

Batting
We had Tendulkar, azharuddin and Sidhu
Pakistan has Rizwan, Babar and Azhar Ali.
 
As we all know, on one side we have a team that was known to be a fast bowler factory (Pakistan) hitting drastic new lows in bowling and on other side we have a team that struggled to produce any fast bowler at all (India) hitting new highs in fast bowling.

I could not help but draw a comparison between the current toothless Pakistani fast bowling and Indian toothless fast bowling of 1990s. The resemblance is uncanny. Back in 1990s, Indian fans used to dread their own bowling and turn their tvs off when it was their team's turn to bowl and only turn it on when they bat, especially to watch how the legendary Tendulkar bat. It is the same thing now with Pakistani fans, it is torturous to watch own bowling and only thing to look forward to is to see how Babar bats.

Any thoughts or maybe stats that you guys would like to share?

You have a lot of knowledge and nostalgia for a 15 year old.
 
I can't believe that 1990s Indian team is starting to look so much better compared to these Pakistani bowlers/batters.

I think the team was not very bad quality wise but that team sucked attitude wise. Srinath and Kumble were very capable bowlers with Prasad as support. However most of the people used to play for themselves and sometimes for bookies while the others used to be demotivated. And then there was stark regionalism and favouritsm ( Azhar played Venkat Raju while completely ignoring more deserving players). And then they used to be proud of being only able to perform on home ground with heavily doctored pitches while being pathetic anywhere else even in Pakistan , Sharjah and Sri Lanka. It's started changing with Ganguly and later Dravid but then regressed a lot under Dhoni again in the long format in 2010s again with the same symptoms as observed during 80s and 90s. That Dhoni was a smart cricketer and darling of media did help partially to shove the horrendous performance under the carpet but the results are there for everyone to see.
 
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We had Kumble and Srinath in the 90s. Decent bowlers.
 
Srinath alone was lot better than all current Pakistani bowlers, a lion hearted bowler.

If not for Kapil's fetish for eclipsing Hadlee's record for most test wickets, Srinath would've got far more test wickets than he eventually did.
 
Shaheen is a superior talent than Srinath

Wonder what [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION], [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has to say about this. I Started watching cricket only after 2000 so missed most of his career, haven't seen him at his peak during 98-99.
 
Srinath’s new ball ability was very good..massively underrated because he doesn’t sell himself to media.
 
Wonder what [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION], [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has to say about this. I Started watching cricket only after 2000 so missed most of his career, haven't seen him at his peak during 98-99.

Srinath was a brilliant bowler. He got overshadowed because Kumble was the king at home. In the last phase of his career, he was overshadowed by the emergence of Zaheer Khan. If Shaheen can replicate him and take 500+ international wickets at an average of 29-30, he will become a Pakistan legend and the best Pakistani fast bowler after Imran, Wasim and Waqar.
 
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