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David Bowie passes away

He was an English genius - a musical legend from the late sixties onward who inspired and influenced numerous younger artists, a pioneering style icon who blurred gender lines, a movie actor - a real one-off.

Mrs Robert and I will listen to a few of his LPs and raise a glass tonight.

RIP, Thin White Duke.
I don't think you can be a British (or Aussie, or Kiwi) person of our generation without having been profoundly affected by him and the unexpectedness of his passing.

You might have seen, Jimmy Carr was on stage in Auckland last night when the news broke. Members of the audience had started to get news alerts on their phones, but when Carr told the audience there was an audible gasp.
 
Come on Robert this is over the top tbf. MJ is known all over the world for his music, soul and RNB have been influenced by him including his dance moves. Bowie may be a great in rock culture but overall in music there will never be a bigger and more influential star in the world of music.
No, I firmly agree with [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION].

Michael Jackson was great at bringing to a mass market what leaders had already introduced to the cognoscenti.

But David Bowie was the leader, and the one time he went deliberately mass market (1983's Lets Dance album) he sold more records and concert tickets than at any other time but was critically savaged for going for money over art.

One thing you need to understand about we British is this. We are understated and we don't boast. But deep down that is because we know that we are better than everyone else. :) More civilised, more cultured. We're obviously wrong, but we believe that we are superior. Especially compared to Americans!

We did like Whacko Jacko, but we called him that because he was like a bumbling circus clown, whereas Bowie was like Picasso.
 
Most kids probably haven't heard of him but anybody over 20 who didn't grow up in a cave should have heard of David Bowie he's a musical icon.

If you don't know him then you probably shouldnt post in his tribute thread.
 
Most kids probably haven't heard of him but anybody over 20 who didn't grow up in a cave should have heard of David Bowie he's a musical icon.

If you don't know him then you probably shouldnt post in his tribute thread.

I don't think you must know someone to say rest in peace.

Also I think this condescending attitude is the same as those of sachin fans who think just because sachin is great for them, everyone must be knowing him. A lot of people are not into this kind of music, and they don't live in a cave.
 
Firstly, pls dont make this thread about India and secondly that is not true at all :facepalm:

Leave it. He's very proud he knows who David Bowie is :))

On topic, I don't feel anything anymore other than maybe a few scattered memories of moments associated with an idol when he dies.
 
Given the amount of musical artists that are giving tribute to him all day, you are dead wrong.

Of course musicians will give tribute to him. But MJ was known even to those who were not into his kind of music. Even poor kids in developing countries know who MJ was. No other artist has that kind of reach.
 
Although glam rock died back in the late 70's the influence can still be found in a lot of recent acts such as Motley Crue, Kiss Placebo, Marilyn Manson, and The Darkness.

Motley Crue and KISS are recent acts :)))

You were so proud yesterday I bet when you heard of Ziggy's passing.

"Here's something I can show off about and laugh at others."
 
I don't think you must know someone to say rest in peace.

Also I think this condescending attitude is the same as those of sachin fans who think just because sachin is great for them, everyone must be knowing him. A lot of people are not into this kind of music, and they don't live in a cave.

A metaphorical cave
 
Of course musicians will give tribute to him. But MJ was known even to those who were not into his kind of music. Even poor kids in developing countries know who MJ was. No other artist has that kind of reach.

I love MJ so you won't see me dog on him.

Depeche Mode would have similar reach to this day.
 
A metaphorical cave

Everyone lives in a metaphorical cave that way. You may not be aware of an icon who would be great somewhere else. Or someone who made a far more important contribution to the world than some musician/entertainer. This is a condescending attitude to think that others are ignorant because they havent heard of the icons someone idolizes.
 
Of course musicians will give tribute to him. But MJ was known even to those who were not into his kind of music. Even poor kids in developing countries know who MJ was. No other artist has that kind of reach.
With respect, you're on unsound territory here.

I liked Michael Jackson, and was gutted when I read the book by the father of one of his victims.

But if we can compare music through the metaphor of art, here goes.

Jacko was like another celebrity pedophile, Rolf Harris. Loved by millions, produced dumbed down mass market commercial art like wallpaper.

Whereas Bowie was like Pablo Picasso. Edgy, trend-setting, a leader.
 
With respect, you're on unsound territory here.

I liked Michael Jackson, and was gutted when I read the book by the father of one of his victims.

But if we can compare music through the metaphor of art, here goes.

Jacko was like another celebrity pedophile, Rolf Harris. Loved by millions, produced dumbed down mass market commercial art like wallpaper.

Whereas Bowie was like Pablo Picasso. Edgy, trend-setting, a leader.

I am not aware of their music so cannot comment on which was better (even that is debatable). I am saying that MJ was more famous than any artist has ever been. As far as being an icon, no one comes close to MJ.
 
Most kids probably haven't heard of him but anybody over 20 who didn't grow up in a cave should have heard of David Bowie he's a musical icon.

If you don't know him then you probably shouldnt post in his tribute thread.

Do you know about Amitabh , Shah Rukh , A R Rahman , Amir Khan , Rajnikanth ?
 
Motley Crue and KISS are recent acts :)))

You were so proud yesterday I bet when you heard of Ziggy's passing.

"Here's something I can show off about and laugh at others."

Yeah . Motley Crue ceased being relevant way back in 91. Hardly recent.
 
With respect, you're on unsound territory here.

I liked Michael Jackson, and was gutted when I read the book by the father of one of his victims.

But if we can compare music through the metaphor of art, here goes.

Jacko was like another celebrity pedophile, Rolf Harris. Loved by millions, produced dumbed down mass market commercial art like wallpaper.

Whereas Bowie was like Pablo Picasso. Edgy, trend-setting, a leader.

This is a rubbish post with all due respect. Bowie was every bit as commercial as any artist out there. He tried to junp on the whole disco bandwagon just like a lot of artists in the 70's but did not quite succeed. Both Bowie and Jackson hardly ever pretended not to like mainstream success.

And Michael Jackson music was hardly dumbed down commercial art. He was the last true artist who could channel the likes of James Brown and all the other Motown greats. The last artist with any "soul". Its been rubbish after rubbish after that when the music industry started to use drum machines and synths for cheap production and maximum profits.
 
Of course musicians will give tribute to him. But MJ was known even to those who were not into his kind of music. Even poor kids in developing countries know who MJ was. No other artist has that kind of reach.

As a huge MJ fan, I agree with you. Respect to Bowie but he really wasn't as popular as MJ
 
This is a rubbish post with all due respect. Bowie was every bit as commercial as any artist out there. He tried to junp on the whole disco bandwagon just like a lot of artists in the 70's but did not quite succeed. Both Bowie and Jackson hardly ever pretended not to like mainstream success.

And Michael Jackson music was hardly dumbed down commercial art. He was the last true artist who could channel the likes of James Brown and all the other Motown greats. The last artist with any "soul". Its been rubbish after rubbish after that when the music industry started to use drum machines and synths for cheap production and maximum profits.

lol why are you bashing on drum machines? Some of the most celebrated musical instruments are drum machines. The Linn LM-1 and the Roland TR-808 and TR-909 come to mind.
 
This is a rubbish post with all due respect. Bowie was every bit as commercial as any artist out there. He tried to junp on the whole disco bandwagon just like a lot of artists in the 70's but did not quite succeed. Both Bowie and Jackson hardly ever pretended not to like mainstream success.

And Michael Jackson music was hardly dumbed down commercial art. He was the last true artist who could channel the likes of James Brown and all the other Motown greats. The last artist with any "soul". Its been rubbish after rubbish after that when the music industry started to use drum machines and synths for cheap production and maximum profits.

Great post.
 
They were influenced by Bowie though. In fact all the LA bands in the 80's were IMO. Atleast as far as their appearances were concerned.

When you have bands as obscure as Di6 to hip hop pioneers honoring David Bowie, you would know that David Bowie inspired and influenced so many artists from a wide spectrum of genres.
 
lol why are you bashing on drum machines? Some of the most celebrated musical instruments are drum machines. The Linn LM-1 and the Roland TR-808 and TR-909 come to mind.

It killed R&B and soul music. You can't have those hardcore jams like R&B/funk/Soul/disco groups in the 70's and early 80's were famous. The music became formulaic with just the same dull beat with a mandatory guest appearance by a rapper on the record.
 
It killed R&B and soul music. You can't have those hardcore jams like R&B/funk/Soul/disco groups in the 70's and early 80's were famous. The music became formulaic with just the same dull beat with a mandatory guest appearance by a rapper on the record.

Oh please, if it wasn't for sampling, no one would have known about R&B and soul music. Thank Eric B & Rakim and Coldcut for keeping the legacy of R&B and soul music, including 'Northern soul', alive.
 
When you have bands as obscure as Di6 to hip hop pioneers honoring David Bowie, you would know that David Bowie inspired and influenced so many artists from a wide spectrum of genres.

Yeah but the influence was much more obvious in the glam metal scene of the 80's. And bands like Motley Crue had huge tours and were extremely popular till around 91.
 
It killed R&B and soul music. You can't have those hardcore jams like R&B/funk/Soul/disco groups in the 70's and early 80's were famous. The music became formulaic with just the same dull beat with a mandatory guest appearance by a rapper on the record.

LOL yeah I'm sure all the Chicago house classics of the 80s somehow killed soul music /sarcasm
 
Oh please, if it wasn't for sampling, no one would have known about R&B and soul music. Thank Eric B & Rakim and Coldcut for keeping the legacy of R&B and soul music, including 'Northern soul', alive.

Nonsense :))) . Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, James Brown Ptinve and a host of other black R&B artists crossed over into the mainstream at a time when mainstream America still had not accepted black music completely. And these names are still very well known to audiences worldwide. Heck just put up a random poll and except maybe hardcore fans no one would have heard of Eric B or Rakim.
 
Yeah but the influence was much more obvious in the glam metal scene of the 80's. And bands like Motley Crue had huge tours and were extremely popular till around 91.

Uh, you're discounting the amount of influence he had in dance music. He experimented music, which in your mind is jumping on a bandwagon. I first got into David Bowie around '97 when I saw 'I'm Afraid of Americans' with Trent Reznor on MTV and I got more and more into his stuff as I discovered his material, past and new (at the time), and he was a pioneer whether you like it or not. And being an underground househead and junglist myself, I can't help to discount the man's legacy in helping influencing the music I love. David Bowie influenced Kraftwerk, which influenced Detroit techno, so therefore he is more influential and significant on a cultural level.
 
LOL yeah I'm sure all the Chicago house classics of the 80s somehow killed soul music /sarcasm

Did I imply that? I said the use of drum machines on Soul records killed soul music? Kapiche? Drum machines are an important part of house,techno and hip hop music and I never claimed otherwise.
 
Did I imply that? I said the use of drum machines on Soul records killed soul music? Kapiche? Drum machines are an important part of house,techno and hip hop music and I never claimed otherwise.

Chicago house music has soul, which is created using drum machines such as the 808 and 909, so your entire argument is null and void.
 
Agree with King and CC here.While Bowie was certainly influential and a cultural icon,he was nowhere near MJ when it comes to popularity.Some people here need to understand world doesn't revolve around their country . MJ's music and his dance moves made him famous even in the remotest corners of India where they probably don't know zilch about music other than Indian.He was universally loved and this despite being all those pedophilia charges on him.I doubt anyone around me has even heard of Bowie's name before the news about his death broke out.Even then many dismissed it as just another musician dead while I remember the mass hysteria MJ's death caused.Such was his popularity.
 
Uh, you're discounting the amount of influence he had in dance music. He experimented music, which in your mind is jumping on a bandwagon. I first got into David Bowie around '97 when I saw 'I'm Afraid of Americans' with Trent Reznor on MTV and I got more and more into his stuff as I discovered his material, past and new (at the time), and he was a pioneer whether you like it or not. And being an underground househead and junglist myself, I can't help to discount the man's legacy in helping influencing the music I love. David Bowie influenced Kraftwerk, which influenced Detroit techno, so therefore he is more influential and significant on a cultural level.

Actually that was in response to Junaids who claimed that Bowie was somehow more of an artist than MJ who made dumbed down music for the masses which is simply not true. Bowie experimented and dabbled in dance music and like it or not he wanted to be commercially relevant. Nothing wrong in that. And I never claimed that Bowie did not influence house music or anything of the sort. Glam metal was mainstream in America in the 80's and Bowies influence was visible and pretty obvious. House music was never mainstream in America either in the 80's and 90's. Maybe it was in Europe but not in America so his influence on that genre is not that obvious.
 
Chicago house music has soul, which is created using drum machines such as the 808 and 909, so your entire argument is null and void.

Of course it does. :facepalm: I have no problem with house musicians sampling disco records or whatever . The point was beginning in the 90's, with the likes of Mary J Bilge, mainstream R&B music started using rapping and hip hop beats using drum machines which has been going on for two decades and no the music doesn't have the funkiness of George Clinton or the soulfulness of a Stevie Wonder. I don't give a damn whether House has 'soul" or not .
 
Of course it does. :facepalm: I have no problem with house musicians sampling disco records or whatever . The point was beginning in the 90's, with the likes of Mary J Bilge, mainstream R&B music started using rapping and hip hop beats using drum machines which has been going on for two decades and no the music doesn't have the funkiness of George Clinton or the soulfulness of a Stevie Wonder. I don't give a damn whether House has 'soul" or not .

lol you know that Daft Punk themselves cited George Clinton as an influence in "Teachers" from their 1997 debut album Homework? Jeez you obviously don't have a clue.
 
Actually that was in response to Junaids who claimed that Bowie was somehow more of an artist than MJ who made dumbed down music for the masses which is simply not true. Bowie experimented and dabbled in dance music and like it or not he wanted to be commercially relevant. Nothing wrong in that. And I never claimed that Bowie did not influence house music or anything of the sort. Glam metal was mainstream in America in the 80's and Bowies influence was visible and pretty obvious. House music was never mainstream in America either in the 80's and 90's. Maybe it was in Europe but not in America so his influence on that genre is not that obvious.

Except house music originated in the warehouses of Chicago in the 80s, not in Berlin or Paris or Manchester or Cafe del Mar.
 
lol you know that Daft Punk themselves cited George Clinton as an influence in "Teachers" from their 1997 debut album Homework? Jeez you obviously don't have a clue.

You're not getting the point at all. I don't care whether House music or artists like Daft Punk have been influenced by soul or think they have. I cannot hear the funkiness in the music created by drum machines and would prefer real drums . Of you and Daft Punk think that music is funky or has soul then good for you mate :)
 
You're not getting the point at all. I don't care whether House music or artists like Daft Punk have been influenced by soul or think they have. I cannot hear the funkiness in the music created by drum machines and would prefer real drums . Of you and Daft Punk think that music is funky or has soul then good for you mate :)

Someone's never heard 'Da Funk'.
 
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-01-11/david-bowie-japanese-fashion-icon

In Japanese culture, this androgyny that so influenced Bowie according to Thian was the norm. The Japanese loved Bowie, says Thian.

“He really, more than the androgyny, was communicating the relativeness, importance, the absolute genius of Japanese traditional culture by way of wearing the Kansai Yamamoto outfits, by incorporating the stage techniques from Kabuki theatre ... so for them it was truly an homage,” says Thian. “And it’s my belief that Bowie was truly the ultimate diplomat because he really healed the rift between the Allies and Japan — in the post-war period, ushering in the post-modern era by incorporating Japanese costuming, staging, make-up, hair, the whole shebang.”

In fact it wouldn’t be a huge leap to say that Bowie is responsible for renewing the West’s appreciation of Japanese culture and fashion, says Thian.

“There were a number of rock stars after David Bowie that incorporated Japanese clothing, make-up, hair, design — such as Susie Sue and The Banshees; Freddy Mercury traipsing around on stage in a Kimono, the group Sparks, with an album called 'Kimono, My House' in 1974. The list goes on and on and on.”

He ignited an interest in Japan that went far beyond celebrity culture and rock stars, says Thian.
 
Motley Crue and KISS are recent acts :)))

You were so proud yesterday I bet when you heard of Ziggy's passing.

"Here's something I can show off about and laugh at others."

What a stupid post. Why would anyone be happy on someones death?

Are you usually this ignorant or is today a special day?
 
Come on Robert this is over the top tbf. MJ is known all over the world for his music, soul and RNB have been influenced by him including his dance moves. Bowie may be a great in rock culture but overall in music there will never be a bigger and more influential star in the world of music.

Hmm, most of MJ's dance moves came from his choreographer Jeffry Daniels going to clubs and seeing what was happening on the street. He was more a reflector than a director at times.

I'm not deriding his influence on R&B and pop which was overt and massive. He was a musical genius. It was tragic that he was so messed up and that he went so young. But he basically did the same thing over and over.

Bowie's influence was subtle and pervaded everything without people realising. He did rock, pop, soul. electronica, avant-garde. No two of his albums sounded the same. Then add on his contributions to fashion, and his film acting. He was an utter original.
 
But David Bowie was the leader, and the one time he went deliberately mass market (1983's Lets Dance album) he sold more records and concert tickets than at any other time but was critically savaged for going for money over art.

He said he didn't expect the massive sales of that album. I must say I didn't like it, apart from Modern Love. But even in the eponymous video he brought the treatment of indigenous Australians to the attention of the world.

I love the little stories about him. For example how he didn't like to fly so crossed the USA in the back of a limousine, writing songs and metamorphosing from Ziggy into the Cracked Actor.
 
One more comment on the subject of MJ and Bowie.

David was interviewed on MTV in 1983, deploring them for not playing black artists. At the time, MTV was a vehicle for a white audience to promote white rock musicians only. If they played a black artist they received a firestorm of complaints. Bowie argued against this cultural apartheid with passion and articulacy.

In this regards I think he can be seen as something of a reformer - a Wilberforce - who made a contribution to the slow desegregation of American society.
 
i disagree with him being called the british elvis but what does any of what u posted have to do with his musical legacy? what an awful, awful post.

What's awful about it? Bowie was very upfront about his bisexuality and it formed a big part of his early music persona. I was wrong that he'd not had kids with Iman though so that was an ignorant comment.
 
Hmm, most of MJ's dance moves came from his choreographer Jeffry Daniels going to clubs and seeing what was happening on the street. He was more a reflector than a director at times.

I'm not deriding his influence on R&B and pop which was overt and massive. He was a musical genius. It was tragic that he was so messed up and that he went so young. But he basically did the same thing over and over.

Bowie's influence was subtle and pervaded everything without people realising. He did rock, pop, soul. electronica, avant-garde. No two of his albums sounded the same. Then add on his contributions to fashion, and his film acting. He was an utter original.

MJ was a real vocalist unlike Bowie but I suppose you can get away with a less than brilliant voice in the Rock genre. MJ was also a performer since he was a child and although choreography was coached into him he did adapt to his own style. You cannot teach someone those dance moves if they haven't got the natural talent to begin with.

MJ is the third biggest selling artist of all time(from what I read), have no idea where Bowie is. The other two above MJ are Elvis and the Beatles but they are not as worldwide as MJ was. As mentioned he transcneded races, languages and regions worldwide. There has never been a musical artist like him and never will imo.
 
MJ was a real vocalist unlike Bowie but I suppose you can get away with a less than brilliant voice in the Rock genre. MJ was also a performer since he was a child and although choreography was coached into him he did adapt to his own style. You cannot teach someone those dance moves if they haven't got the natural talent to begin with.

MJ is the third biggest selling artist of all time(from what I read), have no idea where Bowie is. The other two above MJ are Elvis and the Beatles but they are not as worldwide as MJ was. As mentioned he transcneded races, languages and regions worldwide. There has never been a musical artist like him and never will imo.

What's a "real vocalist?"

I never thought of Bowie as a rock singer anyway. As I have said, Bowie straddled numerous musical styles. Record sales are no indicator of ability, else we'd be calling Justin Bieber a genius. If ability directly equated to sales, the biggest star of all time would be Charlie Parker. I think Bowie's biggest album sold eight million copies, and he was roundly castigated for selling out. He walked away from that deliberately, to find his true calling again.

His influence on postwar Western and Japanese culture (not just music, but fashion, art and film too) is all-pervasive - it's hard to see the wood for the trees because it is just everywhere.
 
What's awful about it? Bowie was very upfront about his bisexuality and it formed a big part of his early music persona. I was wrong that he'd not had kids with Iman though so that was an ignorant comment.

what did any of ur post have to do about bowie's legacy as a musician? u seem to be more interested about his sexuality and his marriage for whatever reason.
 
what did any of ur post have to do about bowie's legacy as a musician? u seem to be more interested about his sexuality and his marriage for whatever reason.

Why do you consider it such a big deal? Bowie never hid his bisexuality yet you seem think it is a big issue for some reason. If you think it had no impact on his music you must truly be ignorant.
 
Why do you consider it such a big deal? Bowie never hid his bisexuality yet you seem think it is a big issue for some reason. If you think it had no impact on his music you must truly be ignorant.

lol nice try to turn it around. i didn't even think about it until u mentioned it in a reply to a post about bowie's legacy along with the fact that he married a sudanese. it's just not who i am.
 
u seem to be more interested about his sexuality and his marriage for whatever reason.

Her full name is Iman Mohamed Abdulmajid. That should make things clear.

he was bisexual and married a Somali immigrant to change his life around I expect.
:))) Mr Laidback Kaptaan saab.

I just had a thought. I bet you're one of those who relentlessly types in Google Search - "Messi converted Muslim" and so on with other famous personalities.

Please tell me I'm right :59:
 
lol nice try to turn it around. i didn't even think about it until u mentioned it in a reply to a post about bowie's legacy along with the fact that he married a sudanese. it's just not who i am.

Uh, she's Somali. Somalia and Sudan are both different countries ya know.
 
Uh, she's Somali. Somalia and Sudan are both different countries ya know.

doesn't really make a difference to me. i don't take notice of nationality etc, more concerned about values and morals of people. it's the kind of guy i am. :amir
 
Bowie also idolised hitler was fascinated by Nazis , he is Also on record saying that England needs a fascist leader.

That too with his reckless use of Cocaine and believe In Satan and false prophet a leister Crowley
And homosexuality I'e a women trapped in a man

Doesn't seem such a ideal role model

Don't know where the fascination lies his music is creepy and weird

Only got famous for being a Jewish yes his mum is an Irish jew so that obviously helped his fame

If anyone one of us normal beings did a video like black star or Lazarus we would be whisked away to a mental hospital by men in white coats
 
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Bowie also idolised hitler was fascinated by Nazis , he is Also on record saying that England needs a fascist leader.

That was during his Thin White Duke phase. The Duke was a cocaine addict and not a nice man at all. Bowie had to retreat to Berlin for three years in the late seventies to recover his mental and physical health and get rid of the Duke. Looking back, he said it is a miracle that he survived. So easy to have succumbed to heart failure.
 
That was during his Thin White Duke phase. The Duke was a cocaine addict and not a nice man at all. Bowie had to retreat to Berlin for three years in the late seventies to recover his mental and physical health and get rid of the Duke. Looking back, he said it is a miracle that he survived. So easy to have succumbed to heart failure.

Yes his nasal passages were shot through heavy cocaine use, but that's not unusual for a rock star. He does seem to have mellowed and tried to live a more normal life after his marriage to Iman and I think her upbringing probably helped a lot in that regard.
 

And they said he can't bat in England... lol. 10x better than the overrated 49 on a NZ flat phatta.

Too many agenda posters here who only want their homeboy Sarf in the team for their own good, think about the team first. Kami is ready for England, Aus, and NZ, he's more mature now and cautious with the gloves. Not to mention he doesn't hang out with the wrong crowd anymore.
 
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Just found this article..
http://news.yahoo.com/complicated-sexual-history-david-bowie-222902494.html

The Complicated Sexual History of David Bowie


The world mourned the actor and singer David Bowie on Monday, who died Sunday night after an 18-month fight with cancer. One of the most influential musicians of the past several decades, the two-time Grammy winner influenced queer culture, changed how the world viewed fashion trends and inspired hundreds, if not thousands, of musicians, artists and entertainers across the globe.

However, the "Space Oddity" singer has a past that many fans might struggle with. In the 1970s, Bowie allegedly had sex with an underaged girl and later faced rape allegations in 1987. Bowie was never indicted for a crime, but these accusations represent the complicated legacy that Bowie left behind.

Amid the adulations that followed Bowie’s death were murmurs of Bowie’s statutory rape and rape allegations. The comments live mostly in blogs and on social media and focused in many cases on “reconciling” Bowie’s genius with allegations of sexual assault.

According to The Establishment, Bowie’s style, fashion and lyrics, which were cherished by millions, go hand-in-hand with his alleged sexual crimes. “Bowie, like all of us, was complicated and nuanced,” The Establishment’s Jody Allard and Margaret Corvid wrote. “Bowie, unlike all of us, was accused of committing sex crimes. As the world mourns his death today, there’s been nothing nuanced about it. It’s all Bowie, all the time, with only the tiniest stones allowed to ripple the smooth surface of his legacy.”

Rebecca Hains, associate professor of media studies at Salem State University, wrote Monday, “Calling out artists’ [alleged] abuse of others doesn’t necessarily negate the cultural value of their bodies of work.” Another piece on Dear Coquette argued it would be “a stretch for people to call him a rapist, and it’s ridiculous for people to call him a pedophile.”

In the early ‘70s, Bowie allegedly had a sexual relationship with Lori Mattix, who was around 15 years old at the time. Mattix was one of many so-called “baby groupies,” girls between the ages of 12 and 16 who frequently patrolled Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles, a haven for musicians and entertainers in the '70s. The age of consent in California was (and still is) 18 years of age.

Mattix, in an in-depth interview published in November, talked with Thrillist about her years as a “baby groupie,” and the time she lost her virginity to the famed artist. “He focused his famously two-colored eyes on me and said, 'Lori, darling, can you come with me?’” Mattix told Thrillist. “He walked me through his bedroom and into the bathroom, where he dropped his kimono. He got into the tub, already filled with water, and asked me to wash him. Of course I did.”

“Then he escorted me into the bedroom, gently took off my clothes, and de-virginized me,” Mattix said.

Mattix told Thrillist the night continued with a threesome involving Mattix and another 15-year-old “baby groupie” Sable Starr.

“Two hours later, I went to check on Sable. She was all ****ed up in the living room, walking around, fogging up windows and writing, 'I want to **** David,’” Mattix said. “I told him what she was doing and that I felt so bad. Bowie said, 'Well, darling, bring her in.’ That night I lost my virginity and had my first threesome.”

To this day, Mattix claims that her decision to lose her virginity to the pop icon was “consensual,” Mattix told Thrillist. While Mattix is entitled to believe this, the age of consent would have made the alleged sexual encounter illegal.

In 1987, 30-year-old Wanda Nichols accused Bowie of forcing himself on her after a concert tour stopover in Dallas. Bowie, who was 40 at the time, vehemently denied the allegations, calling them “ridiculous,” and a “ploy for attention,” according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The grand jury refused to indict Bowie on rape charges due to a lack of evidence.

As we’ve learned over the past few months, it can be difficult to come to terms with the fact that some of our favorite actors or singers may have problematic pasts. But the conversation regarding the topics of sexual assault, rape and abuse shouldn’t be swept under the rug, nor should we shy away from having those tough conversations.

“When you celebrate or excuse rapists, you tell people like me that I don’t matter; you tell all survivors that they don’t matter,” freelance writer Britni De La Cretaz wrote on Medium. “You tell survivors that their rapists matter more because of what they contributed to the world, regardless of what they took from them.”

David Bowie influenced millions across the world. The musical genius defied conventional societal norms of style and fashion, he gave his fans music to cherish for a lifetime and he is widely regarded as one of the most original songwriters of all time.

Despite all of these great achievements, his past is not spotless, and for the sake of every victim of sexual violence, it doesn’t deserve to be remembered as such.
 
If that is true then it just shows how messed up the world is, that a person who did such lowly things is celebrated like a hero because he provided entertainment. How people are willing to neglect or even excuse such deeds just because they are fans.
 
Just found this article..


The Complicated Sexual History of David Bowie



All innuendo, nothing substantive there. That article seems to be more about the writer than Bowie, and is a bit sad to read at the death of the great man.
 
Would you have liked it if she looked like one of them?

You were the one who posted a bunch of those maulvi gifs so I guess you have more feelings towards them than me. I'm not even clear how they ended up in this thread about an entertainer who was so far removed from such people.
 
Yes his nasal passages were shot through heavy cocaine use, but that's not unusual for a rock star. He does seem to have mellowed and tried to live a more normal life after his marriage to Iman and I think her upbringing probably helped a lot in that regard.

Perhaps, though Iman didn't look very religious to me in the conventional sense, considering the way she dressed as a high fashion model, and that she was a divorcee too. I'm more interested in her philanthropy and work against the blood diamond trade.

Bowie in any event was a sort of Buddhist atheist, and didn't marry Iman until he was 44, by which time he would have been clean and sober for years.

They looked very striking together, the black woman with the elegant white man (a bit like Mrs Robert and I though I say so myself ;-) ).
 
Found out today that Bowie wrote songs for Nina Simone.

A lot of jazz, neo-soul and hip-hop artists cite him as an influence.
 
Perhaps, though Iman didn't look very religious to me in the conventional sense, considering the way she dressed as a high fashion model, and that she was a divorcee too. I'm more interested in her philanthropy and work against the blood diamond trade.

Bowie in any event was a sort of Buddhist atheist, and didn't marry Iman until he was 44, by which time he would have been clean and sober for years.

They looked very striking together, the black woman with the elegant white man (a bit like Mrs Robert and I though I say so myself ;-) ).

But Iman will still have carried many of the values derived from her cultural background which are very far removed from English. I have a Pakistani girl friend who has married an English guy and she's bringing up their daughter far more conservatively than you would see in most white/white marriages. It might be the same for you and Mrs Robert I dare say, and may have been the same for Mrs Bowie II.
 
It seems as though Indians live under a huge rock or possibly don't listen to any music other than bollywood

Can you please stop generalizing Indians based on couple of posters?.

And have you not seen the bangaladeshi flag beside CricketCartoons name?
 
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