David Lloyd tweets devastating critique of IPL

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The Indian Premier League is also widely and justifiably viewed as a civilisational nadir. A previously unimaginable blend of bad taste and bad faith, the IPL manages to simultaneously insult women, history, cricketing skill, and the intelligence of its viewers. What is too little appreciated, however, is how much it reveals about the Indian economy.

About its excesses prior to the slowdown; about the borderline-illegal self-centredness of the owners of Indian companies; about poor management being covered up by good public relations and a sycophantic press; about an apparent inability to do business openly and transparently.

I don’t just mean the extraordinary obscurity that surrounds who actually owns some of the teams. The Indian public and its Press have happily chosen to believe that many expensive cricket teams can be owned largely by movie stars and other assorted celebrities, and not shadowy financiers spending a few years unknown for tax purposes.

This once again demonstrates India’s unique ability to be dazzled and distracted by glittery things.

Unsurprisingly, this country is also a major growth market for American pro wrestling. I don’t even mean the complicated question of how much tickets actually cost. If you watch a match in Delhi from box seats, for example, you get a ticket that has “Rs 30,000” or something like that prominently printed on it but, naturally, you didn’t pay that much, you got it at a sharp discount ‒ or you were given it free by an oligarch who wants a favour. In effect, nobody pays full price for hideously expensive tickets, which allows the league to claim both that the games are exclusive and that their future revenue from ticket sales are incredibly high.

If people start questioning the claims about ticket revenues, then too many other aspects of the teams’ finances will start being analysed. This is not unlike India’s real-estate market, where sale prices for houses are way too high, and yet many are empty ‒ because no real-estate developer can afford to admit that they’re too high. They might have to send them lower, which would affect the value of their companies’ assets, and so on down the slippery slope to housing- market collapse.

No, the IPL reveals a great deal about the Indian economy because of the identity of the teams’ owners ‒ at least, in those cases in which we know who the real owners are.

When one of the IPL’s champions was removed from the roster in 2012 because the team’s owners went bankrupt and couldn’t pay league fees, people began to notice that being really, really bad at business seemed to be what most IPL owners had in common.

Let’s see. The team that was removed in 2012 was the Deccan Chargers, owned by the Deccan Chronicle Group. The companies’ value in 2007? Rs 5000 crore. Their value in 2012? Rs 200 crore. The group had lost 96 per cent of value, and was massively in debt.

Who else? Well, shares in the Delhi team’s owners, the Andhra Pradesh–based construction company GMR, were trading at around Rs 120 as 2007 ended; they’re trading at around Rs 25 today.

Another team was removed in 2013; it belonged to the Sahara India Group, whose flamboyant owner was thrown into jail by the Supreme Court for apparently running a Ponzi scheme. Subrata Roy, the owner of the Sahara Group ‒ officially the Sahara Parivar, or Family ‒ is one of a kind. He legally changed his name to Subrata Roy Sahara. He calls himself “Saharashree”, or “Man of Sahara”; designated himself his group’s Managing Worker; and had a special “Sahara salute”.

He had his wife record a music video as a paean to their marriage and his corporation ‒ which coincidentally served to get pictures of his real-estate project and his airline free airtime on music TV. In it, he was pictured repeatedly walking down roads and in motorcades surrounded by people dressed as members of an American President’s secret service.

He himself also wore a dark suit and dark glasses, but was set apart by the fact that he was also wearing a cape with a red lining. He claims to employ a million Indians. A Noted Patriot, he occasionally brings a hundred thousand or so of them together to set a national-anthem-singing record. He also claims to have 30 million investors; though, oddly, when the regulators tried to return a lot of money to them in 2013, not one actual person showed up, which has got to be a far more unusual world record.

But the most interesting thing about Subrata Roy Sahara is that he was considered perfectly normal for an Indian tycoon .

The league’s overall sponsor was India’s largest real-estate company, DLF: its shares cost around Rs 1200 each when the league opened, and around Rs 170 in late 2014, and thousands of crores of rupees of value has just vanished. DLF is one of the two companies to have lost most value since 2007. (Fortunately, the other was its main rival, Unitech.)

Oh, and let us not forget that its dealings with the son-in-law of India’s most powerful woman, Sonia Gandhi, mean DLF is the best-known crony capitalist in the land.

And, above all, there’s the Chennai Super Kings. I don’t even know where to begin. OK, here’s this: they’re owned by N. Srinivasan, who also happens to run the board that controls Indian cricket. This is not a conflict of interest, because in India, we do not have conflicts of interest ever.

Seriously - Manmohan Singh’s telecommunications minister, Dayanidhi Maran, regulated the business of his brother, Kalanidhi Maran, Tamil Nadu’s largest media mogul, and I am a hundred per cent sure he did it a hundred per cent objectively. Similarly, I am a hundred per cent sure that N. Srinivasan did not get people to keep picking lots of his Chennai players for the Indian team to maintain his cricketers’ brand value, but because he cared about the Indian team.

When his son-in-law was jailed for fixing IPL matches, Srinivasan pointed out with perfect justice that it had nothing whatsoever to do with him.

I confess to being a little puzzled as to why Srinivasan did not actually offer to investigate himself in case there was any wrongdoing. I am a hundred per cent sure he would have done it a hundred per cent objectively.

The amazing thing about N. Srinivasan is that he is not just a superb class-A above-reproach administrator for Indian cricket ‒ and now world cricket, since the International Cricket Committee has been so impressed by his uprightness and dedication to duty that it has elected him chairman ‒ but that he is an equally good businessman. Indeed, his company, India Cements, holds an enviable record: it is the worst performing company, relative to its sector, among India’s top 500. It lost 60 per cent of its value in the five years after the IPL started, while the rest of its sector held its own.

None of this is happenstance. The tawdry aesthetics of the IPL mirrors its owners’ errors of judgement. Its disconnectedness from true cricketing skill, from the lives and histories of the cities that hosted its teams, is a direct consequence of the sort of companies that were funding it.

The IPL was built on crony capitalism and the easy money of the pre–crisis boom.

Anyone, especially a crony capitalist, could get his hands on cash then, even for something as unproductive as a sports team; and the ambitious, self-obsessed crony capitalist took the money, why not?

Back in those days, it was possible to binge on easy money, using it to fund what seemed like endless expansion, and some very dubious acquisitions. The more dubious the profitability of the enterprise you run, the more important it is you overspend on something flashy like the IPL: the more visible you are, as any successful Ponzi schemester can tell you, the less likely the regulators are to come after you, and the less you are seen by possible lenders as a risk. And, of course, it makes you more likely to find defenders, including politically powerful protectors.

Excerpted with permission from Restart: The Last Chance for the Indian Economy, Mihir S. Sharma, Random House India.

Wow, this is withering! Bumble has just tweeted a fantastic critique of the IPL.

I can't wait to see the IPL apologists' response to this......

http://scroll.in/article/702223/The-IPL-is-the-worst-form-of-crony-competition-in-India
 
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Btw why should David Lloyd be mentioned here. He just tweeted it. Better to give the credit to the author of the article (Mihir Sharma).
 
Wonder whether this article will go viral. If it does, Srini will have to react.
 
The writer has valid criticism against the way indian economy is run. yes, there is crony capitalism. But he is taking out his frustration on IPL, which is truly a world class league, which naturally leads to butthurt people jealous of its success. If you don't like the IPL, don't watch it. Simple as.
 
The writer has valid criticism against the way indian economy is run. yes, there is crony capitalism. But he is taking out his frustration on IPL, which is truly a world class league, which naturally leads to butthurt people jealous of its success. If you don't like the IPL, don't watch it. Simple as.

:)

The are article reeks of but hurt plain & simple. Yes things are not transparent as they should be but we'll get there eventually.
 
Just like Pakistan fans can't give up on Pakistan Cricket even after all the corruption and embarrassment, similarly, Indians are not going to give up on IPL. Most of us love it.
 
Wow. Brave and shocking excerpt. It seems as though much of that might be quite difficult to deny. Here's to hoping it does go viral.
 
What is new in this? All the purported information is already in public domain.

What I dont get is how is this relevant to the integrity of the tournament? Its just the Franchise owners internal company matters.

How does the sponsor DLF being reportedly close to a major politician's son-in-law affect the IPL ?
Its like saying the EPL is muddled because Roman Abramovich is close to Vladmir Putin (which he actually is).
 
Same writer called the Manmohan Singh era as "Golden Age of India" a few months ago, but is now wondering how did we end up with so much crony capitalism in the same era! Mihir (works for an Indian business daily - Business Standard) is a hard core anti-Modi, anti-BJP writer and I'll not be surprised to read his next article on this issue somehow blaming the current Indian govt for the IPL mess.

Also wonder what sharp fall in Deccan Chronicle and GMR stock prices have to do with them being owners in IPL. They bought the teams back in 2007, and have not kept pace with changed economy scenario and are struggling now. Nothing to do with their minuscule investments in IPL.
 
Which points are new this year? Didn't we have similar articles year after year since the IPL's inception? Didn't they predict in 2009 that IPL would fail in 2011?? The fact is the Indian public knows all this and more, but they still love IPL for the one and half month feast and relief it provides during the gruelling Indian summer.
 
Same writer called the Manmohan Singh era as "Golden Age of India" a few months ago, but is now wondering how did we end up with so much crony capitalism in the same era! Mihir (works for an Indian business daily - Business Standard) is a hard core anti-Modi, anti-BJP writer and I'll not be surprised to read his next article on this issue somehow blaming the current Indian govt for the IPL mess.

Also wonder what sharp fall in Deccan Chronicle and GMR stock prices have to do with them being owners in IPL. They bought the teams back in 2007, and have not kept pace with changed economy scenario and are struggling now. Nothing to do with their minuscule investments in IPL.

GMR is doing much better now. Their stock prices predictably took a hit like so many Infrastructure companies after the recession and subsequent real estate/infra sector bust.
 
Intellectual property theft by op and pp. Give credit to original author of this article
All I did was post a link to the article: someone else has copied in the text.

My link was to today's original article, including full credit to the author.
 
Seems quite a few posters responding angrily to this article are butt hurt but I fail to see why. It's just a single journalist's opinion and he raises some interesting points.
 
I admit I am a little confused now.

Is the point of the author that IPL has turned into a money spinners inspite of such crony capitalists being in charge of it, who have all individually run their business aground?

Imagine the peaks IPL would scale once we have honest to bone officials in charge of it.

Is it the same Mihir who travelled through Uttar Pradesh during the general elections and reported that there was NO Modi wave in the hinterland? A week later BJP returned with 73 out of 80 seats in the state?
 
Real and true reflection of owners of IPL teams . But what author did missed is about jo public, or fans of IPL.
If IPL had not been so popular in India, would have finished after couple of seasons.
There are massive issues with IPL, but it is very very popular and successful in India.
There are people who hate it, because they hate anything good about India.
IPL will go on till people get tired of it.
 
I admit I am a little confused now.

Is the point of the author that IPL has turned into a money spinners inspite of such crony capitalists being in charge of it, who have all individually run their business aground?

Imagine the peaks IPL would scale once we have honest to bone officials in charge of it.

Is it the same Mihir who travelled through Uttar Pradesh during the general elections and reported that there was NO Modi wave in the hinterland? A week later BJP returned with 73 out of 80 seats in the state?

Same guy.

As I said, this article is a prelude to him linking the IPL mess to the current regime in India
 
Seems quite a few posters responding angrily to this article are butt hurt but I fail to see why. It's just a single journalist's opinion and he raises some interesting points.

If you have been following what this journo writes regularly, you'd know why this is rhetoric from the writer. Anyone else writing the same piece would have carried lot more weight.
 
IPL has issues with financing, we all know that. But that has nothing to do with the professional nature of the tournament after the financing is in.

I expect a financing cleanup soon which I feel is due. Other than that, as someone who has been reading Business Standard for quite sometime now, I find various correlations of fall in share prices of companies with stakes in IPL funny considering that period was the period right before the economic slowdown of 08
 
i am a common people with not so much "intellectual". IPL is entertaining.... so i will watch it as long as it is there.... that's how common people sees it.

crony capitalism, easy money, booming.... all these concepts go above my head. if something is not legal, then the person who understands it, should do something about it.... isn't it? or am i wrong here?
 
Even bad publicity is a good publicity for some products. So by making this article viral and retweeting it some of you will actually help popularise IPL more even in its off season. Even i don't like IPL. But the way people go on and on about this league and make it famous is pretty funny tbh. Just ignore it and live your life as if there is no IPL happening.
 
I hate IPL due to it repeatedly snubbing the Pak players but this article is BS. Same old recycled ****. Desperately hoping that this will somehow lead to IPL losing popularity is the height of stupidity.
One can easily write a far more devastating critique of Pak Cricket. Will that change anything for Pak fans? Nope. Same for IPL.

I agree with the other poster, the haters are unwittingly increasing it's popularity with their constant butt hurt sniping by keeping IPL in the public consciousness.
 
Same writer called the Manmohan Singh era as "Golden Age of India" a few months ago, but is now wondering how did we end up with so much crony capitalism in the same era! Mihir (works for an Indian business daily - Business Standard) is a hard core anti-Modi, anti-BJP writer and I'll not be surprised to read his next article on this issue somehow blaming the current Indian govt for the IPL mess.

Also wonder what sharp fall in Deccan Chronicle and GMR stock prices have to do with them being owners in IPL. They bought the teams back in 2007, and have not kept pace with changed economy scenario and are struggling now. Nothing to do with their minuscule investments in IPL.


I guess, I read some of his articles last year before Indian election - this guy is a INC supporter from the core. But, leaving the politics & economy, how do you react on the contents - personally, I don't think 3 entertainments 'll never go away from middle class & lower middle class Indian society, regardless of economy, corruption, inflation or unemployment, whatever - Film, Cricket & "Daru". GMR example is a bit shallow - high inflation & change in life style among common Indians (Sub-continent overall) has resulted mass market less interested in real estate, probably every Real Estate firm is going through this transformation. Almost 4 decades back, my parents invested their marriage gift cash into a small piece of land............... we blew that in a week at Mal-dwips.....

I think, IPL 'll survive as long as the quality of cricket is there & the spectators are are confident on the integrity of the games - may be economic crisis 'll lower the price tag. However, I think, IPL can only lose it's appeal (considering the quality & integrity intact), if it starts to rival Indian National team (i.e. IND performance going down for IPL based selection, best schedule for National team is sacrificed, players putting more importance on IPL career, players retiring prematurely to prolong IPL career, corruption in IPL haunting National team etc...) - at the end of the day, cricket is a country based sports, unlike Football (Club) or Basketball (Franchise).
 
What is new in this? All the purported information is already in public domain.

What I dont get is how is this relevant to the integrity of the tournament? Its just the Franchise owners internal company matters.

How does the sponsor DLF being reportedly close to a major politician's son-in-law affect the IPL ?
Its like saying the EPL is muddled because Roman Abramovich is close to Vladmir Putin (which he actually is).

Good point, many big football teams have investments by dodgy billionares as well.
 
GMR is doing much better now. Their stock prices predictably took a hit like so many Infrastructure companies after the recession and subsequent real estate/infra sector bust.

This is one of the easiest things to check and you are wrong. The article said

Who else? Well, shares in the Delhi team’s owners, the Andhra Pradesh–based construction company GMR, were trading at around Rs 120 as 2007 ended; they’re trading at around Rs 25 today.

As of today, GMR is selling at 16.85.
 
at the end of the day, cricket is a country based sports, unlike Football (Club) or Basketball (Franchise).

This needs to change. The pinnacle of any sport should not be a level that countless players cannot reach because they were born in the wrong place. Nor is it correct that every employee can have only employer, who can act as arbitrarily as he wants. Franchise cricket should overtake national cricket soon, for the good of the game.
 
Brilliant stuff.

I hope this devastating article would be the death knell of this satanic tournament.

I am expecting the public mood to totally turn against IPL as a result of this article by Mihir Sharma on Scroll.in

Lol. If you think the public is so "intelligent" would they allow so many corrupt politicians and officers in the country? You don't realize that people like Mihir Sharmas are in the minority, do you? Mihir Sharma is probably a butt hurt jealous Indian (who did not get any personal profit out of IPL, otherwise his tone would be different), that is all.

If at all, some body does manage to come up something that can trigger a public response, 100% guaranteed that he would be bought within five minutes and would be praising the IPL sky high.
 
This is one of the easiest things to check and you are wrong. The article said



As of today, GMR is selling at 16.85.

Bro! I wasnt talking about its share price. I actually have GMR shares (bought at around 120). So, I have been following this company very closely.
Believe me, the company is in much better shape now in terms of the management. Also, The infra sector outlook is very promising ever since the new govt took over. GMR has some huge airports and Hydo Power contracts in the pipeline. But that will get reflected in the EPS only when the final MOUs come through.
 
OP, classic bait and switch technique.

The article is written by an Indian, critiquing IPL.

Lloyd just tweeted it.

But no, we must use Lloyd's name to give it more popularity, perhaps insinuate ownership for the gullible.

Sadly this is now expected from you.
 
Also, a bit of advice for younger Indian friends. For those who need it, of course.

Even if you dislike the IPL, take pride in it as a sign of what Indians can do, and what we will do in the future.

Do not accept it's many shortcomings and seek change, fight inequity, and never back away from the realisation that there are many rings wrong with it. But remember it is a world class event we have created, set the standard and changed the future of the game. We should never back away from our leadership nor apologise for it.

For, many of those who would criticise it the most, would gladly step in and substitute their countries for ours. If they could.
 
Lol. If you think the public is so "intelligent" would they allow so many corrupt politicians and officers in the country? You don't realize that people like Mihir Sharmas are in the minority, do you? Mihir Sharma is probably a butt hurt jealous Indian (who did not get any personal profit out of IPL, otherwise his tone would be different), that is all.

If at all, some body does manage to come up something that can trigger a public response, 100% guaranteed that he would be bought within five minutes and would be praising the IPL sky high.

That's the tragedy of the article and the response of so many Indians to it.

The article basically says "most Indians are dazzled by anything that glitters and are too stupid or morally bankrupt to care about the problems behind it".

And everyone who has replied in support of the IPL has basically said "Yep, that's me."

The irony is this. In European football, the UEFA Champions League has expanded and expanded and really reduced domestic leagues to the status of feeder tournaments.

The IPL could be so much more than it is. It is currently a tax avoidance/money laundering/industrialised betting program with incidental cricket to distract the public.

But imagine a proper Asian Premier League, with teams from all the major cities - including Colombo, Dhaka, Karachi and Lahore.
 
That's the tragedy of the article and the response of so many Indians to it.

The article basically says "most Indians are dazzled by anything that glitters and are too stupid or morally bankrupt to care about the problems behind it".

And everyone who has replied in support of the IPL has basically said "Yep, that's me."

The irony is this. In European football, the UEFA Champions League has expanded and expanded and really reduced domestic leagues to the status of feeder tournaments.

The IPL could be so much more than it is. It is currently a tax avoidance/money laundering/industrialised betting program with incidental cricket to distract the public.

But imagine a proper Asian Premier League, with teams from all the major cities - including Colombo, Dhaka, Karachi and Lahore.
Pakistan super league is on its way.. Ipl is anyway a stupid league! Why care about it..
 
Pakistan super league is on its way.. Ipl is anyway a stupid league! Why care about it..

That's it!

PSL = Pakistan Stupid League

The two countries with "successful" T20 leagues have achieved the following in that time:

1) India has fallen from number 1 to number 7 in the Test rankings.
2) Australia has its worst batting line-up since before the 1920s.

T20 leagues are a form of cricket cancer.
 
That's it!

PSL = Pakistan Stupid League

The two countries with "successful" T20 leagues have achieved the following in that time:

1) India has fallen from number 1 to number 7 in the Test rankings.
2) Australia has its worst batting line-up since before the 1920s.

T20 leagues are a form of cricket cancer.

But Pakistan will have the chance to accommodate Dhaka, Karachi, Colombo kind of super teams. Ignore India and teach us a lesson.
 
Good point, many big football teams have investments by dodgy billionares as well.

If this were to write a similar critique of English football clubs, he would list the following:

1) Roman Abramovich (Chelsea) : Very close to Kremlin, both during Yeltsin & Putin's time. First to recommend Putin as Russian president. Refers to him as 'favourite son'

2) Alisher Usmanov (Arsenal) : A gangster and racketeer who did six years in jail. His pardon was the work of Uzbek President on the instructions of an Uzbekistani power broker and drug trafficker Gafur Rakhimov.

3) Vladimir Antonov (Portsmouth) : Prime accused in a €500 million fraud. Arrested in London and subsequently extradited to Lithuania.

4) Carlos Yeung (Birmingham City) : Found guilty on five counts of money laundering a total of HK$720 million and sentenced to 6 years' imprisonment.

5) Arcadi Gaydamak (Portsmouth) : Indicted in the Tel Aviv District Court on suspicions of money laundering through Bank Hapoalim together with several managers of the bank and the Italian-Israeli businessman Nahum Galmor. Received one year suspended sentence and fine.
 
That's the tragedy of the article and the response of so many Indians to it.

The article basically says "most Indians are dazzled by anything that glitters and are too stupid or morally bankrupt to care about the problems behind it".

And everyone who has replied in support of the IPL has basically said "Yep, that's me."

The irony is this. In European football, the UEFA Champions League has expanded and expanded and really reduced domestic leagues to the status of feeder tournaments.

The IPL could be so much more than it is. It is currently a tax avoidance/money laundering/industrialised betting program with incidental cricket to distract the public.

But imagine a proper Asian Premier League, with teams from all the major cities - including Colombo, Dhaka, Karachi and Lahore.

A. No the article doesn't say what you imply it does. All it does is to try to find a co relation between corporate malpractice in India , corporate share plunge in recent times since 2008 and shareholding pattern of IPL teams. It is funny that he misses out on biggest if them all .. The Malaya and R&B conundrum.
Anyway, inspite of all the shady dealings behind the glitter and the fixing scandals and drug scandals, IPL is successful not because Indians are stupid as you (quite presumptiously and arrogantly) have us believe, IPL is successful because it is successfully created demand for its product in the market, particularly the upper middle class is tier 1 and tier 2 cities who primarily view it as brilliant entertainment. As for problems behind it, law will take is course and is taking is course. All the skeletons are coming out of closet only because of Indian police and Indian courts and not because of sanctimonious individuals preaching gyan from a million miles away.

2. What's with this obsession with Asian league? Is a domestic tournament. Let's keep it that way. Banglore vs Rajasthan makes far more sense and appeal to me than Banglore vs Dhaka or Delhi vs Lahore.
 
2. What's with this obsession with Asian league? Is a domestic tournament. Let's keep it that way. Banglore vs Rajasthan makes far more sense and appeal to me than Banglore vs Dhaka or Delhi vs Lahore.

I think Junaids has time and again clarified that he is not a Pakistani so us Indians need to accept that he is suggesting creation of an Asian League from a true neutral perspective. Let us not question his motives just because of his screen-name or the fact that most of his posts are related to India.
 
I think Junaids has time and again clarified that he is not a Pakistani so us Indians need to accept that he is suggesting creation of an Asian League from a true neutral perspective. Let us not question his motives just because of his screen-name or the fact that most of his posts are related to India.

When I tried to set up this account it was under the epithet "Junaid's jocks***p". The power that be actually moderated my name. I thought it was funny, but you Asians have different sensitivities, as I learn every time I log into this forum. Good luck to you all.

I've never been to India or Pakistan, although I have been to Kathmandu and Dhaka, many years ago.

I'm English, and a well-wisher of any country which plays good cricket! And I live in Australia. As of today, being English seems to entitle a person to an Australian knighthood!
 
And here comes another one:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150125/commentary-columnists/article/cricket-critical-care

This article is actually a better one, in my opinion.

This one is written by a pro-BJP pro-Modi journalist (and a mouthpiece of Arun Jaitley, a powerful minister in current Modi govt and a key BCCI functionary)!! Not surprisngly the writer hasnlt said a word on how Jaitley was part of letting Srinivasan run a dictatorship in BCCI in the last few years.

Also, I find the references to union govt sorting out the BCCI mess in both Mihir and Ashok's articles intriguing. The Anti-Modi group wants him to meddle in BCCI affairs and trip up thus getting a chance to attack him further, pro-Modi gang would want him to control BCCI as a fiefdom through proxy and perhaps give those writing such things a powerful post in the new BCCI regime.

The options for new BCCI prez are Sharad, Shashank Manohar, Dalmiya and IS Bindra. Other than Bindra, no one inspires any confidence at all. But then at 72, he retired from cricket administration last year. No ex-player looks capable to take over presidentship either. I do hope this churning throws up a new crop of relatively young administrators and not the same gang which has ruled for nearly 20-25 years in BCCI.
 
I find it fascinating that in India your views on governance and even the validity of criticism appear to be determined by political allegiance, which is repeatedly cited in this thread.

Cricket's a game. Except for issues like Apartheid I find it bizarre to think that people on my side of politics are any more or less capable of administering cricket than those on the other side. In fact, cricket should be a game to bind us together.

It's not a uniquely Indian problem. Paul Downton is the new Managing Director of the ECB but in 1987 only a cretin would have given him the captaincy instead of Mike Gatting. But Downton has worked in "the city" and speaks in a posh voice and is well-educated, so he has the power to sign off on KP's exclusion, whereas a better man like Gatting would have told KP and Broad and Anderson to sort it out properly.

So England lost at home to Sri Lanka, and even lost a home Test to India!

Bad administration is not a uniquely Indian affliction. It's such a shame that Monkeygate finished former Aussie PM John Howard's chances of taking the ICC's top job. I don't like him, but he'd have run a very tight - and profitable - ship.
 
Junaids, did you Know that there's politics even in the way you wipe your butt after a satisfying dump? Google Carol Hanisch if you dont believe me.
 
That's it!

PSL = Pakistan Stupid League

The two countries with "successful" T20 leagues have achieved the following in that time:

1) India has fallen from number 1 to number 7 in the Test rankings.
2) Australia has its worst batting line-up since before the 1920s.

T20 leagues are a form of cricket cancer.

India rose to No 1 test ranking after they started playing IPL. Would you attribute that to IPL as well? India's traditional test ranking was around the middle(4-6), they sometimes got into top 3 but India were never a regular top 3 side ever since they started playing cricket in the 30s. You seem to think India got down to No 7 due to the IPL? India is at No 7 at the moment because they have been touring outside SC for an year now, they will scale their way up once they play some matches in India. Ever since the IPL began, India have been ranked all the way from No 1 to No 7 - so IPL must be responsible for all these rankings as per your logic.
 
Just like Pakistan fans can't give up on Pakistan Cricket even after all the corruption and embarrassment, similarly, Indians are not going to give up on IPL. Most of us love it.
Indian crickets the most corrupt..getting away with everything cuz bcci has all the power
 
It's not a uniquely Indian problem. Paul Downton is the new Managing Director of the ECB but in 1987 only a cretin would have given him the captaincy instead of Mike Gatting. But Downton has worked in "the city" and speaks in a posh voice and is well-educated, so he has the power to sign off on KP's exclusion, whereas a better man like Gatting would have told KP and Broad and Anderson to sort it out properly.

Could be that Gatt is still tainted with the Faisalabad and Rothley Court incidents and the apartheid tour. There has to be a question mark over his diplomatic skill set, and that team discipline broke down on his watch.

I've always liked his old team-mate Downton. I associate him with the Middlesex glory days. I was sad when he had to retire early due to the freak stump accident.
 
I was sad about the stump, but I've always that that he is a City Clone.

He was awful on TMS last month when asked about Cook (when still the ODI skipper), Pietersen and bullying.

Rothley Court was absurd. The TCCB accepted his innocence and sacked Gatt anyway.

I think English cricket is in terrible hands. Cricket is increasingly limited to a few private schools and without free-to-air TV we will end up with a rich ECB presiding over an extinct game.
 
IPL isn't my cup of tea but it's clearly a successful formula, just look at the crowds they are getting in the BBL in Australia. I like T20 cricket in itself, but only international level. If I was Indian or Australian it might be interesting to see domestic players performing.
 
I was sad about the stump, but I've always that that he is a City Clone.

He was awful on TMS last month when asked about Cook (when still the ODI skipper), Pietersen and bullying.

Rothley Court was absurd. The TCCB accepted his innocence and sacked Gatt anyway.

I think English cricket is in terrible hands. Cricket is increasingly limited to a few private schools and without free-to-air TV we will end up with a rich ECB presiding over an extinct game.

Nice to have someone here who can remember the 1980s. :)

Yep, Rothley Court was a nonsense. Gatt should have skippered the side in 1988. England would still have lost to WI but there would have been no fiasco with four captains.

Then when Ted Lord wanted to bring him back in 1989, he was vetoed by some MCC mandarin named Ozzie Wheatley. How did MCC have the power to veto appointment of the England captain?

The Aussies reckon that KP could have been better managed by a tough bloke grasping the nettle, and Gatt could have done that. He would have knocked all parties' heads together, no messing.
 
Exactly, Robert!

Flower's personality was not suited to the task: a shy, intense, introspective loner would always struggle to resolve issues between KP and the two bully-boy bowlers.

And hidden in the 4 skipper summer of '88 was the daftest selection of all: Chris Cowdrey as skipper v the Windies! Unbelievable!
 
The Indian public and its Press have happily chosen to believe that many expensive cricket teams can be owned largely by movie stars and other assorted celebrities, and not shadowy financiers spending a few years unknown for tax purposes.

This once again demonstrates India’s unique ability to be dazzled and distracted by glittery things.

They'd have you believe only India has white collar crimes as such.
Anyone who is massively rich, has extorted the system one way or another.
 
I really dont understand some comments here.

The IPL and all t20 leagues, love them or loathe them (or in my case totally indifferent) they arent ever going to go away now that practically every single one is a huge cash cow for their boards.

CPL - profitable
IPL - Cha ching!!! $$$$$$.
Big Bash - Profitable
BPL was profitable I think as well, just the owners were corrupt
Natwest Blast - profitable albiet not as successful as the rest.

Its the only form of domestic cricket that seems to garner any sort of crowd. Are they all almost certainly corrupt? Hell yes. Do the millions of people who watch care? No. Its like WWE, people dont really care as long as they are entertained.

And I dont even like these leagues, bar the CPL, as they are boring flat pancake wickets but the general public eats them up and why wouldnt they. Their negative affects have been pointed out countless times (weak bowling, fall in standards, fixed etc. etc.) but they arent all bad,

They attract fans to the game, albeit the ICC are now catering to those new fans in ODI's and Tests which I disagree with greatly.
They allow players to make a decent living.
The money made from these competitions often goes towards funding non-profitable test matches, because like it or not, without t20 cricket raking in cash I dont think tests would be played by anyone outside the top 5 powerful boards.

So while I wont ever watch more than a couple overs or maybe the final of the IPL, I'm not going to begrudge those who do enjoy t20 leagues or begrudge the leagues themselves, because they provide a service, and a very popular one at that.
 
And hidden in the 4 skipper summer of '88 was the daftest selection of all: Chris Cowdrey as skipper v the Windies! Unbelievable!

PBH May's godson..... that really was nepotism write large.
 
I really dont understand some comments here.

The IPL and all t20 leagues, love them or loathe them (or in my case totally indifferent) they arent ever going to go away now that practically every single one is a huge cash cow for their boards.

CPL - profitable
IPL - Cha ching!!! $$$$$$.
Big Bash - Profitable
BPL was profitable I think as well, just the owners were corrupt
Natwest Blast - profitable albiet not as successful as the rest.

Its the only form of domestic cricket that seems to garner any sort of crowd. Are they all almost certainly corrupt? Hell yes. Do the millions of people who watch care? No. Its like WWE, people dont really care as long as they are entertained.

And I dont even like these leagues, bar the CPL, as they are boring flat pancake wickets but the general public eats them up and why wouldnt they. Their negative affects have been pointed out countless times (weak bowling, fall in standards, fixed etc. etc.) but they arent all bad,

They attract fans to the game, albeit the ICC are now catering to those new fans in ODI's and Tests which I disagree with greatly.
They allow players to make a decent living.
The money made from these competitions often goes towards funding non-profitable test matches, because like it or not, without t20 cricket raking in cash I dont think tests would be played by anyone outside the top 5 powerful boards.

So while I wont ever watch more than a couple overs or maybe the final of the IPL, I'm not going to begrudge those who do enjoy t20 leagues or begrudge the leagues themselves, because they provide a service, and a very popular one at that.

You are missing the point by a country mile Donald. The IPL is Indian and therefore needs to be bashed soundly regardless of it's merits.
 
IPL isn't my cup of tea but it's clearly a successful formula, just look at the crowds they are getting in the BBL in Australia. I like T20 cricket in itself, but only international level. If I was Indian or Australian it might be interesting to see domestic players performing.

I agree, T20s whether we like it or not are drawing the crowds and are creating a new generation of cricket fans. Society has changed and we live in a world of instant gratification which is at odds with the long, drawn-out nature of cricket.

However what I don't accept is IPL fanboys saying that the quality of cricket is great. Its not, its tamasha pure and simple. Flat tracks and slogging does not make a match great.

And before some IPL fan gets and all defensive and say "OH YOU'RE JEALOUS COZ PAKISTAN AREN'T IN IT" - I couldn't give a damn if Pakistan are in it or not. I have no anti-India agenda and would criticise the thing if it had a Union Jack on it. Just don't put the competition on a pedestal it doesn't belong.
 
The writer has valid criticism against the way indian economy is run. yes, there is crony capitalism. But he is taking out his frustration on IPL, which is truly a world class league, which naturally leads to butthurt people jealous of its success. If you don't like the IPL, don't watch it. Simple as.
If you don't like the IPL, don't watch it. It is as Simple as tnd hat. I mean if you dont like Rap or some other kind of music ...what do you do ??? Not watch it or do you go about weaving theories on how and why they are bad. If one does, the it means that music ( in this case IPL) is something worth criticizing.....and there is a saying....Your success or importance is determined by the number of critics/enemies you have ;)
 
If this were to write a similar critique of English football clubs, he would list the following:

1) Roman Abramovich (Chelsea) : Very close to Kremlin, both during Yeltsin & Putin's time. First to recommend Putin as Russian president. Refers to him as 'favourite son'

2) Alisher Usmanov (Arsenal) : A gangster and racketeer who did six years in jail. His pardon was the work of Uzbek President on the instructions of an Uzbekistani power broker and drug trafficker Gafur Rakhimov.

3) Vladimir Antonov (Portsmouth) : Prime accused in a €500 million fraud. Arrested in London and subsequently extradited to Lithuania.

4) Carlos Yeung (Birmingham City) : Found guilty on five counts of money laundering a total of HK$720 million and sentenced to 6 years' imprisonment.

5) Arcadi Gaydamak (Portsmouth) : Indicted in the Tel Aviv District Court on suspicions of money laundering through Bank Hapoalim together with several managers of the bank and the Italian-Israeli businessman Nahum Galmor. Received one year suspended sentence and fine.

Good point.

In fact, investment by such characters DOES prove the success of the league, though it sounds strange.

For incredibly rich people (some of whom will always be corrupt), a sports team will be a status symbol precisely when the league is doing well and is seen as very important.
 
India rose to No 1 test ranking after they started playing IPL. Would you attribute that to IPL as well? India's traditional test ranking was around the middle(4-6), they sometimes got into top 3 but India were never a regular top 3 side ever since they started playing cricket in the 30s. You seem to think India got down to No 7 due to the IPL? India is at No 7 at the moment because they have been touring outside SC for an year now, they will scale their way up once they play some matches in India. Ever since the IPL began, India have been ranked all the way from No 1 to No 7 - so IPL must be responsible for all these rankings as per your logic.

At the moment, there is a direct and incredibly large correlation between playing at home and winning. Even Zimbabwe can beat Pakistan at home, and Australia gets owned in the sub-continent. India has played some 12 matches in a row abroad, and obviously we are at 7th (although not that many points off higher spots). Once we are done with these endless, pointless, foreign tours we will have a few home Tests to satisfy the so-called purists and will win all those matches.

Anyway, the WC is what matters not this Test ratings.
 
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