Overlapping windows for PSL 10 and IPL 2025 proposed by the PCB

[FearlessRoar]

As per PCB media release below, the suggested dates for the 10th edition of the PSL overlap with the IPL, causing PSL franchise owners to object. The proposed timeframe, stretching from early April to mid-May.

I agree that if the PSL and IPL coincide, it could harm the PSL's image. Since the IPL is more popular, star players might choose it over the PSL, which could hurt the PSL's reputation in the future. Careful planning of the PSL schedule is vital to maintain its quality and popularity.

What is your take on this?


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Lahore, 4 May 2024: The Pakistan Cricket Board and its six franchisees, in the buildup to their General Council meeting, met on Saturday morning at the Gaddafi Stadium to reflect on the HBL Pakistan Super League 2024 and also to look ahead to the HBL Pakistan Super League 2025.

The PCB praised the franchisees for their support, interest, and passion that has continued to contribute to enhancing and strengthening the profile and reputation of the league as one of the most challenging, competitive, and exciting. The franchise owners congratulated the PCB for the excellent delivery of the tournament held from 17 February to 18 March 2024.

Some of the key highlights from the HBL Pakistan Super League 2024 were:

Four of the six sides played, at least, five matches each at their home venues
The average first innings team score was 167; there were 10 200+ scores; eight matches went down to the last ball, including the final
45 per cent increase in media rights from the previous rights cycle
113 per cent increase in live-streaming rights from the previous rights cycle
41 per cent increase in international media rights from the previous rights cycle
Upwards of 350 million, live audience was the highest in history
Achieved an unprecedented digital media reach, in excess of 1.5 billion
For the HBL PSL 2025, the PCB proposed the following with further discussions to take place in the Governing Council in due course:

Due to the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 being held in the traditional event window, the event window for the 2025 event will be 7 April 2025 – 20 May 2025

Karachi, Lahore, Multan, and Rawalpindi to host matches in Pakistan with each side playing, at least, five matches on home ground. The PCB will continue to explore additional venues

Four playoffs proposed to be staged at a neutral venue
Some innovative tweaks and changes in the event playing conditions were explored with an aim to make the HBL PSL 2025 more exciting and competitive, as well as involve, engage, and increase the fan base
PCB Chief Operating Officer Salman Naseer:

“As always, we had a very exciting and interesting brainstorming session with the franchise owners on the window for HBL Pakistan Super League 2025. The passionate franchise owners provided their all-rounded insight and views on the PCB-recommended window and playoff venues for the 2025 event and beyond.

“At the back of this meeting, and in relation to the most suitable window for HBL PSL 2025 and beyond, the PCB will share further data with the franchise owners so that they can discuss amongst themselves, make a more informed decision and share their ideas and thoughts at the General Council meeting.

“We look forward to working closely with the franchisees to take timely decisions for the future trajectory of one of Pakistan’s biggest brands.”

Islamabad United Owner Ali Naqvi:

“On behalf of the franchise owners, I would like to express our gratitude to all stakeholders and appreciate their resolve to taking HBL PSL to greater heights.

“We need to continue to engage in discussions and find our ways and options so that we can collectively achieve our overarching objectives. Here, I would like to congratulate and thank the entire PCB and the PSL team led by HBL PSL Commissioner Naila Bhatti for her role, vision, and leadership that has helped the league to continue to move in the right direction.”

 

[Mamoon]

As I said in the other thread, this would work if PCB, fans and media are willing to make peace with the fact that players will put out of PSL contracts if they get called up by IPL as replacements.

If they can put their ego aside and accept this, this idea can work.

 

[Rana]

Might as well. It’s not like we are getting T20 royalty players by avoiding the IPL window.

 

[Rana]

I don’t think the franchises will agree to this though

How are Qalandars going to get Rashid Khan back?

 

[Savak]

Apparently every psl franchise has now been allowed to directly sign 1-2 big A list players outside the PSL draft, the PCB will financially support the franchises with this if necessary.

Will the IPL rejects agree to play in the PSL? Can they enhance the value and quality of the PSL?

Also its about time Peshawar Zalmi get to play at home for a change. They have the largest psl fanbase

 

[RidiculousMan]

Apparently every psl franchise has now been allowed to directly sign 1-2 big A list players outside the PSL draft, the PCB will financially support the franchises with this if necessary.

Will the IPL rejects agree to play in the PSL? Can they enhance the value and quality of the PSL?

Also its about time Peshawar Zalmi get to play at home for a change. They have the largest psl fanbase

In terms of ratio between money and tournament duration. If PSL gets close to IPL then I can see a marquee player or two opting PSL instead of the long IPL.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I don’t think the franchises will agree to this though

How are Qalandars going to get Rashid Khan back?

During innings break Rashid will cross the wagha border to bowl for Qalandars in Gaddafi Stadium. Shaheen will be flying him home.

 

[Bewal Express]

We ain't getting any decent overseas players any way, so I am not sure it will have any impact on who is chosen. The challenge is to improve our own domestic standards and then the players will filter through to better quality PSL. This requires a professional PCB run by professionals, not crooks involved in wheat import scandals, money laundering scams or acting as middle men like Sethi.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Contrary to popular belief, I believe this will actually help increase viewership for the PSL. The constant comparisons between the IPL and PSL by Indian fans and media will inevitably draw more attention to the PSL.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I don’t think the franchises will agree to this though

How are Qalandars going to get Rashid Khan back?

Not a big deal tbh, we always see the Afghans leave for international commitment mid way through the PSL or at the start.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Its a great gamble on the part of PCB.

 

[zoeyfactor]

What's the issue in scheduling in Sept-Oct window?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apparently every psl franchise has now been allowed to directly sign 1-2 big A list players outside the PSL draft, the PCB will financially support the franchises with this if necessary.

Will the IPL rejects agree to play in the PSL? Can they enhance the value and quality of the PSL?

Also its about time Peshawar Zalmi get to play at home for a change. They have the largest psl fanbase

PSL is currently behind SA20 and ILT20 in terms of salary. If they can beat them it will be an achievement.

Right now players may choose IPL teams because IPL owners have teams across multiple leagues. You have a chance of playing multiple leagues and earn big.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its a great gamble on the part of PCB.

They have no other option. CT has taken away their window.

 

[Kianig89]

How about scheduling it in January are we due any international tour , ICC ploy to disrupt PSL by scheduling CT in Feb, ideally CT should have played in Sep Oct

 

[gazza619]

Good. Can we just dump this useless league now. I dont care if people make money from this, but Pakistan cricket has already faced a lot of damage.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

How about scheduling it in January are we due any international tour , ICC ploy to disrupt PSL by scheduling CT in Feb, ideally CT should have played in Sep Oct

They could schedule it in october this year i guess but highly unlikely.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Next year mega auction in the IPL. Lot of oldies are going to be discarded for good.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Good. Can we just dump this useless league now. I dont care if people make money from this, but Pakistan cricket has already faced a lot of damage.

You can say the same about IPL and India also.

 

[gazza619]

You can say the same about IPL and India also.

Indian brains are clever. They continue to reward domestic red ball performances to a large extent, specially when it comes to ODIs & Test cricket.

BCCI makes money from IPL and spends on cricket infrastructure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Next year IPL games will increase. So squad size may go up. Atleast one extra foreign player is expected.

 

[Asad T]

I don't like it from a viewing expirence. Can you imagine having matches in Lahore in May 40 degrees in the day / 30 degrees at night? It will be so hard for the crowd

 

[Savak]

What's the issue in scheduling in Sept-Oct window?

PCB is gambling and focusing on the advantages of hosting the PSL in the IPL window with the mindset accept that the PSL can never compete with the IPL but why not accept co existence with the IPL and officially accept being a subsidiary, feeder league to it.

Also if the PSL even manages to get the A list unsold IPL players to come play in the PSL, it will be ten times better than the foreign stock currently playing in the PSL now and will still enhance the value image of the PSL. The entire cricket world goes into lock down for 2 months and this is the best opportunity for the PCB to get the best possible foreign players for the PSL.

Also a lot of top quality international Commentators don't get picked by the BCCI, IPL like Nasser Hussain, David Gower and a few others and they can be roped in.

Hosting the PSL in the Nov to March window is not possible because there is too much competition from the Big Bash, ILT20, SAT20, BPL. Hosting the PSL in June - Aug is not possible because of the competition from County T20, Hundred, CPL, MCL, Canadian T20 and LPL. Plus the weather in Pakistan will not be suitable for cricketers or the audience.

Hosting the PSL in Oct Nov is not possible because it clashes with Pakistans and other teams foreign and domestic commitments and the PCB will still have problems getting the kind of foreign players they want.

The PCB has also categorically stated that they will not shift around any of their international commitments and they also need to keep in mind the players workload as well.

I think it's a bold move from the PCB, they had to do something different and take a risk to rescue the sinking psl ship.
However its one thing conceptually on paper, the real challenge will be the doing part and dealing with the actual challenges that come in the way and finding prompt solutions towards it but at least they have started the process a year in advance

 

[Savak]

PCB has proposed the following rule changes in the PSL going forward to the franchises

- One concept is of both the competing teams submitting two separate team sheets at the toss. Following the outcome of the toss, teams would then select one of their provided lineups which will be considered as their final playing XI. This initiative is aimed to mitigate any disadvantage for the teams losing the toss.

- Applying Power Surge, similar to Australia’s Big Bash League (BBL).

This provision empowers teams to initiate a Power Play period spanning two overs, any time from the 11th over of the innings to the end of the innings.

During this period, only two fielders are permitted outside the circle. Consequently, the traditional Power Play at the start of the innings would be condensed to four overs.

- Neither the PCB nor the PSL franchises are in favour of adopting the IPL impact player rule

Both the PCB and the PSL franchises will continue to explore additional ideas to add new ideas to the PSL.

 

[Savak]

As I said in the other thread, this would work if PCB, fans and media are willing to make peace with the fact that players will put out of PSL contracts if they get called up by IPL as replacements.

If they can put their ego aside and accept this, this idea can work.

Indians will have a field running memes Sasta Paisa League, Paisa Shortage league, bhikari league etc

 

[Savak]

During innings break Rashid will cross the wagha border to bowl for Qalandars in Gaddafi Stadium. Shaheen will be flying him home.

Hmm maybe LQ and Gujarat Titans can come to a deal with some monetary arrangement ie LQ releases Rashid for games for GT and GT releases Rashid for LQ for some vital matches, there are times when some IPL franchises enjoy a week long break.

Exhausting for the player tho.

PSL franchises can sign agreements with IPL franchises where they agree to release certain IPL foreign players who are sitting on the bench and the IPL franchises don't need them instantly, they can benefit from game time in the PSL and once IPL franchises feel the player is required, they can request the PSL franchise owners to release them to the IPL.

Similarly IPL franchise can request the PSL to release a player in case of an injury in the IPL.

I know this is all fancy talk and being delusional but it is an out of the box approach. In order for the PSL to be able to co exist with the mighty IPL, they will have to get on IPLs good books and Co operate with them to be on give and take terms where both leagues benefit.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

PCB has proposed the following rule changes in the PSL going forward to the franchises

- One concept is of both the competing teams submitting two separate team sheets at the toss. Following the outcome of the toss, teams would then select one of their provided lineups which will be considered as their final playing XI. This initiative is aimed to mitigate any disadvantage for the teams losing the toss.

- Applying Power Surge, similar to Australia’s Big Bash League (BBL).

This provision empowers teams to initiate a Power Play period spanning two overs, any time from the 11th over of the innings to the end of the innings.

During this period, only two fielders are permitted outside the circle. Consequently, the traditional Power Play at the start of the innings would be condensed to four overs.

- Neither the PCB nor the PSL franchises are in favour of adopting the IPL impact player rule

Both the PCB and the PSL franchises will continue to explore additional ideas to add new ideas to the PSL.

No need for gimmicks imo.

Just keep it like international cricket rules.

 

[cricketmania22]

Hmm maybe LQ and Gujarat Titans can come to a deal with some monetary arrangement ie LQ releases Rashid for games for GT and GT releases Rashid for LQ for some vital matches, there are times when some IPL franchises enjoy a week long break.

Exhausting for the player tho.

PSL franchises can sign agreements with IPL franchises where they agree to release certain IPL foreign players who are sitting on the bench and the IPL franchises don't need them instantly, they can benefit from game time in the PSL and once IPL franchises feel the player is required, they can request the PSL franchise owners to release them to the IPL.

Similarly IPL franchise can request the PSL to release a player in case of an injury in the IPL.

I know this is all fancy talk and being delusional but it is an out of the box approach. In order for the PSL to be able to co exist with the mighty IPL, they will have to get on IPLs good books and Co operate with them to be on give and take terms where both leagues benefit.

Why would BCCI cooperate with PCB? Or why would India help out Pakistan? Pakistan has nothing to offer to India. Realistically, PSL with have to pickup the droppings of IPL. And there is always a risk that BCCI might ban players from playing more than 1 league except for their countries own league.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Hmm maybe LQ and Gujarat Titans can come to a deal with some monetary arrangement ie LQ releases Rashid for games for GT and GT releases Rashid for LQ for some vital matches, there are times when some IPL franchises enjoy a week long break.

Exhausting for the player tho.

PSL franchises can sign agreements with IPL franchises where they agree to release certain IPL foreign players who are sitting on the bench and the IPL franchises don't need them instantly, they can benefit from game time in the PSL and once IPL franchises feel the player is required, they can request the PSL franchise owners to release them to the IPL.

Similarly IPL franchise can request the PSL to release a player in case of an injury in the IPL.

I know this is all fancy talk and being delusional but it is an out of the box approach. In order for the PSL to be able to co exist with the mighty IPL, they will have to get on IPLs good books and Co operate with them to be on give and take terms where both leagues benefit.

Won't work. Unless there's a long predefined break. Even then IPL and the franchises won't agree to release their players to play for other leagues between.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

This clash of the 2 would make sure that PSL don't get any top players like they haven't got despite not clashing with IPL for 9 years.

PSL don't have the capacity to involve the sort of money that is given in IPL or even afford to pay the top players that much.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What is the long term plan for PCB wrt PSL? Hope it is not "being in the shadow of IPL" forever. Like a league that has IPL discarded players. If they think it is part of growing the IPL then they are wrong. SA20 will definitely get bigger and better. People won't mind spending time off at Capetown, Jo Burg. Pretoria. It will be like a vacation for them. Off the field they will have more fun when they play certain leagues.

 

[Savak]

What is the long term plan for PCB wrt PSL? Hope it is not "being in the shadow of IPL" forever. Like a league that has IPL discarded players. If they think it is part of growing the IPL then they are wrong. SA20 will definitely get bigger and better. People won't mind spending time off at Capetown, Jo Burg. Pretoria. It will be like a vacation for them. Off the field they will have more fun when they play certain leagues.

There are a lot of good T20 players who do not get picked by the IPL franchises. These players are not presently playing in the PSL but the PCB is gambling that these unpicked players will then consider playing in the PSL as a back up. The PCB plans to hold their draft after the IPL draft for this. These players will take psl forward and improve it in comparison to the existing situation.

It's a gamble but the PCB in any situation is not in a position to compete with the IPL therefore they have gambled that trying to come exist with the IPL and accept that the PSL is a subsidiary, feeder league to it will be better for PSLs long term prospects.

 

[moghul]

There is hardly any international or even domestic T20 cricket is played during IPL time slot, and there will be so many IPL rejected players will be available for PSL. Not a bad idea at all.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Is PSL starts scheduling at the same time as IPL.. BCCI will see it as a threat. To maximise profitability they will do everything to kill the PSL. Its a competition and needs to be killed off.

 

[Slim]

Contrary to popular belief, I believe this will actually help increase viewership for the PSL. The constant comparisons between the IPL and PSL by Indian fans and media will inevitably draw more attention to the PSL.

PSL does not have a viewership problem. PSL has no big problems per say but it definitely has substantial room for improvement most notably in foreign player selection which is being targeted for PSL X.

 

[Slim]

What is the long term plan for PCB wrt PSL? Hope it is not "being in the shadow of IPL" forever. Like a league that has IPL discarded players. If they think it is part of growing the IPL then they are wrong. SA20 will definitely get bigger and better. People won't mind spending time off at Capetown, Jo Burg. Pretoria. It will be like a vacation for them. Off the field they will have more fun when they play certain leagues.

I really hope for South African cricket that SA20 survives, but your pipe dream of it replacing PSL at number 2 may not happen.

 

[Vikram1989]

- Applying Power Surge, similar to Australia’s Big Bash League (BBL).

This provision empowers teams to initiate a Power Play period spanning two overs, any time from the 11th over of the innings to the end of the innings.

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@Rana @mominsaigol @Ab Fan don't u think ,this Power Surge if applied in international level,it will extinct all the accumulators and statpadders ?

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rana @mominsaigol @Ab Fan don't u think ,this Power Surge if applied in international level,it will extinct all the accumulators and statpadders ?

Bro, Stat padders abs accumulators are not a bad thing in cricket. Infact Australia utilised Labu in this WC pretty well.

The problem with babar and rizwan is that the concept of Makeshift and shuffling is alien to them.

Maxwell was promoted to no 3 2x in the world cup because Warner and Marsh got off to a flier and batted for like 30 overs. However when 3 wickets fell against India, Labu was kinda needed before Maxwell.

However literally last year, Deapite Pakistan top order getting a very good start and having a great rr, They decided to send Rizwan ahead of haris sohail and rizwan made a painful 77 of 95, like bro their was no need to send rizwan ar no 4.

Haria sohail helped us recover by smashing a 35 of 20 something( forget the exact no but he was striking at 150+) but why even have all this Khap? Why not just send haris > Rizwan since haris had returned, was inform and this is one of the rare cases his knee injury wouldn't hamper him?

That's the problem with babar and rizwan, Their hell bent on occupying positions even though it doesn't call for it at that point in time.

Anchorers in t20 are fine IF UTILISED PROPERLY. England, Australia understand this fact. India understands it to a certain extent but they are adamant on Kohli only.

South africa and even NZ understand this fact.

I don't get why Babar can't understand the basic concept of Shuffling the order depending on situations.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What is the long term plan for PCB wrt PSL? Hope it is not "being in the shadow of IPL" forever. Like a league that has IPL discarded players. If they think it is part of growing the IPL then they are wrong. SA20 will definitely get bigger and better. People won't mind spending time off at Capetown, Jo Burg. Pretoria. It will be like a vacation for them. Off the field they will have more fun when they play certain leagues.

There is no harm in being in the "shadow" of the IPL as long as the cricket is good, Pak public are engaged and players get exposure.

Its really only subcontinental cricket fans that get touchy about cricket leagues and see it as patriotic duty.

Most of the other leagues like SA20 rely very heavily on the Indian market or Indian business owners so they are unlikely to move directly into the IPL window.

The IPL window gives the PSL some breathing space vs other leagues and there is no real overlap of players with the IPL to make it an issue.

However they should market the move properly and say it's to maximize international player availability rather than saying they are going head to head with India.

 

[Vikram1989]

Bro, Stat padders abs accumulators are not a bad thing in cricket. Infact Australia utilised Labu in this WC pretty well.

Stat padders takes the shape of accumulators I believe. Kl is the prime example, he maintains sr of 120 even after having many gears.Any Stat padder can survive in top 3 ,so if pp overs are reduced teams can't hide more than one accumulator in the team.Accumulators are like crabs ,they will pull every one else down along side with them

 

[Ab Fan]

Stat padders takes the shape of accumulators I believe. Kl is the prime example, he maintains sr of 120 even after having many gears.Any Stat padder can survive in top 3 ,so if pp overs are reduced teams can't hide more than one accumulator in the team.Accumulators are like crabs ,they will pull every one else down along side with them

Stat padders are more often than not harmful. However, anchoring an inning is not harmful as long as the player is clutch and capable of thriving in big games. Kane Williamson is a perfect example of tuk tuk batting but he does have some positive. He is clutch and capable of playing quality knocks in knockouts. However, T20Is requires you to be capable of accelerating gear against all types of attack and whenever required. I think Kane lacks that and hence he is useless in that format. But no harm in having a 82-83 S/R batsman in ODIs if he is capable of winning you big matches.

 

[BouncerGuy]

As per reports:

In PSL 2025, Lahore will host 10 matches, Rawalpindi 8, and Karachi and Multan 5 each.This is a change from the previous season, where Karachi hosted more matches but had a low turnout.

The playoffs are set to be held, most probably, in England. Teams will start training on April 7, 2025, and the first match is on April 12.

The PCB is considering new rules, including teams choosing their final lineup after the toss, and a “Power Surge” rule for a two-over Power Play from the 11th over onwards. The PSL 2025 is scheduled for April 7-May 20.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan Super League may poach county cricketers after schedule change

English counties face losing more of their leading homegrown talents during the first two months of next season – and potentially in years to come – amid a proposal for the Pakistan Super League (PSL) to run concurrently with the Indian Premier League (IPL).

The 10-team IPL is the only franchise T20 league to overlap with the start of the County Championship in April and May, with this year’s edition seeing 12 English players among the 80 overseas slots – fewer than one for each county.

But the staging of the next Champions Trophy in Pakistan in February 2025 will mean the six-team PSL runs from 7 April to 20 May, opening up a further 42 well-paid overseas slots in franchise cricket during the first two months of the English season.

Already a popular destination for English cricketers during the off-season – 16 featured in the most recent edition of the PSL – coexisting with the IPL will also impact the recruitment of overseas players for the County Championship, an already tough, congested market that has seen an increase in short-term deals during recent seasons.

According to a report by ESPNCricinfo, the Pakistan Cricket Board could even make the overlap permanent. With their own players barred from the IPL, the main battle would be for foreign signatures. The PSL is also expected to expand from six to eight teams by 2026, thus opening up 14 further overseas berths.

Under the current regulations, any English players wishing to compete in overseas T20 leagues require a no objection certificate from either the England and Wales Cricket Board (if centrally contracted) or their county. While clauses for the IPL already exist in county contracts – along with agreed compensation – clubs could in theory block a player wishing to miss the start of the first-class season for the PSL.

However, this could in turn trigger full-blown white-ball specialism for many more than just the handful at present, not least among those just below international level or solely in the England white-ball setup. Franchise leagues now appear with enough regularity that players can bounce from one to the next, not least since the arrival of the USA’s Major League Cricket in July and the Hundred in August.

The decision from county players to prioritise franchise opportunities has become a thorny issue in recent times. Last summer saw a number of English clubs voice concerns that contracted players were simply using their grounds for injury rehabilitation and training, with their county appearances becoming increasingly fleeting.

Pakistan Super League may poach county cricketers after schedule change

The Pakistan Super league has announced a change in schedule that will mean the T20 franchise overlaps with start of County Championship.

www.theguardian.com

 

[shariqnoor]

This can work with the right scheduling. Typically an IPL franchise plays a game after every 4 days. So if Rashid is playing for Gujrat on a Sunday and his next match is scheduled on Thursday, he can easily travel to Lahore and play for Qalandars in between. The only issue is whether BCCI will allow IPL players to play for PSL teams during IPL. That's where diplomacy comes in but you cannot expect much from both Pakistani and Indian officials. In my opinion, coexisting will benefit both PSL and IPL a lot with the constant comparison of the quality of cricket of both leagues.

 

[Savak]

This can work with the right scheduling. Typically an IPL franchise plays a game after every 4 days. So if Rashid is playing for Gujrat on a Sunday and his next match is scheduled on Thursday, he can easily travel to Lahore and play for Qalandars in between. The only issue is whether BCCI will allow IPL players to play for PSL teams during IPL. That's where diplomacy comes in but you cannot expect much from both Pakistani and Indian officials. In my opinion, coexisting will benefit both PSL and IPL a lot with the constant comparison of the quality of cricket of both leagues.

I believe the PSL being held alongside IPL can help the IPL as well. So many IPL foreign players sit on the bench for weeks with little to no game time and then out of the blue because of injuries, loss of form they are called up in crucial games. These players can remain active and in form in the PSL and if required then called up by the IPL franchises can depart the PSL for the IPL. Similarly many IPL foreign players are either injured and ruled out of the IPL due to injuries or they want a mental health break because its not easy to be playing non stop for 2 months, the IPL franchises can request the PSL franchises for a replacement. Just like Football leagues involve $ transfers for players, surely the IPL and PSL Franchises can work this out.

This is the best way to make the two leagues co-exist and not compete. Contrary to popular belief, with the PSL being held alongside IPL, i am very certain it will get even more attention and viewership. Fans and Commentators will draw comparisons, i know some fans watch cricket games on split screens. There was a video of an IPL fan attending the IPL game and watching the Pakistan New Zealand T-20 game on his cell phone.

This will require the BCCI PCB IPL and PSL Franchises to put their egos aside and reach an agreement.

 

[JattMaula]

I believe the PSL being held alongside IPL can help the IPL as well. So many IPL foreign players sit on the bench for weeks with little to no game time and then out of the blue because of injuries, loss of form they are called up in crucial games. These players can remain active and in form in the PSL and if required then called up by the IPL franchises can depart the PSL for the IPL. Similarly many IPL foreign players are either injured and ruled out of the IPL due to injuries or they want a mental health break because its not easy to be playing non stop for 2 months, the IPL franchises can request the PSL franchises for a replacement. Just like Football leagues involve $ transfers for players, surely the IPL and PSL Franchises can work this out.

This is the best way to make the two leagues co-exist and not compete. Contrary to popular belief, with the PSL being held alongside IPL, i am very certain it will get even more attention and viewership. Fans and Commentators will draw comparisons, i know some fans watch cricket games on split screens. There was a video of an IPL fan attending the IPL game and watching the Pakistan New Zealand T-20 game on his cell phone.

This will require the BCCI PCB IPL and PSL Franchises to put their egos aside and reach an agreement.

This may work if PCB allows IPL teams to buy PSL teams.

If MI could own Karachi Kings or Delhi could own Islamabad United then they may be more willing to accept PSL as feeder/academy league.

 

[Savak]

This may work if PCB allows IPL teams to buy PSL teams.

If MI could own Karachi Kings or Delhi could own Islamabad United then they may be more willing to accept PSL as feeder/academy league.

I don't think PCB will have any issues if the IPL teams were interested and were willing to pay PCB an amount they couldn't refuse.

However I do foresee one problem i.e. if this PSL IPL Co existence works out to the benefit of both especially the PSL, I guarantee you that BPL will try to follow suite and also copy PCB's strategy of holding their league in April May to poach IPL's leftovers.

 

[Technics 1210]

It's happening.

Switch channels or move on.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This can work with the right scheduling. Typically an IPL franchise plays a game after every 4 days. So if Rashid is playing for Gujrat on a Sunday and his next match is scheduled on Thursday, he can easily travel to Lahore and play for Qalandars in between. The only issue is whether BCCI will allow IPL players to play for PSL teams during IPL. That's where diplomacy comes in but you cannot expect much from both Pakistani and Indian officials. In my opinion, coexisting will benefit both PSL and IPL a lot with the constant comparison of the quality of cricket of both leagues.

This type of arrangement makes a complete mockery out of league cricket

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I believe the PSL being held alongside IPL can help the IPL as well. So many IPL foreign players sit on the bench for weeks with little to no game time and then out of the blue because of injuries, loss of form they are called up in crucial games. These players can remain active and in form in the PSL and if required then called up by the IPL franchises can depart the PSL for the IPL. Similarly many IPL foreign players are either injured and ruled out of the IPL due to injuries or they want a mental health break because its not easy to be playing non stop for 2 months, the IPL franchises can request the PSL franchises for a replacement. Just like Football leagues involve $ transfers for players, surely the IPL and PSL Franchises can work this out.

This is the best way to make the two leagues co-exist and not compete. Contrary to popular belief, with the PSL being held alongside IPL, i am very certain it will get even more attention and viewership. Fans and Commentators will draw comparisons, i know some fans watch cricket games on split screens. There was a video of an IPL fan attending the IPL game and watching the Pakistan New Zealand T-20 game on his cell phone.

This will require the BCCI PCB IPL and PSL Franchises to put their egos aside and reach an agreement.

Why would India want to make an arrangement?

You guys are coming up with these fantasy scenarios that have no practical value in the real world.

The PSL either gets played at the same time of the IPL and they sacrifice getting players like Rashid or they find an alternative window where they could potentially clash with an existing league.

This pie in the sky fantasy about coexisting and sharing players won't happen.

 

[Savak]

Why would India want to make an arrangement?

You guys are coming up with these fantasy scenarios that have no practical value in the real world.

The PSL either gets played at the same time of the IPL and they sacrifice getting players like Rashid or they find an alternative window where they could potentially clash with an existing league.

This pie in the sky fantasy about coexisting and sharing players won't happen.

Why would? Why Would?

What's the harm in at least trying to negotiate? That is the whole purpose of negotiation i.e. to resolve difficult, impossible situations and to over come difficult problems. That's what go getting people do instead of giving up and painting doomsday scenarios while sitting on their behinds and doing nothing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why would? Why Would?

What's the harm in at least trying to negotiate? That is the whole purpose of negotiation i.e. to resolve difficult, impossible situations and to over come difficult problems. That's what go getting people do instead of giving up and painting doomsday scenarios while sitting on their behinds and doing nothing.

In that case Pakistan should also negotiate with the English Premier League and ask if Multan Sultans can turn out in the FA Cup. Perhaps we can also negotiate with Formula One and ask Lewis Hamilton to drive fans to the stadium in his car. Maybe we can negotiate with the ECB and ask that the Ashes is played between England and a PCB select XI.

These are the types of thing that a go getting person would do.

The rest of us who are sitting on our hands as you say will come up with more realistic scenarios.

 

[Master Blaster]

A war is about to be declared...
It's going to be the Boots Vs the BCCI...

Loads of money is going to be thrown around.
Hope not much of public money is wasted.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

PCB has proposed the following rule changes in the PSL going forward to the franchises

- One concept is of both the competing teams submitting two separate team sheets at the toss. Following the outcome of the toss, teams would then select one of their provided lineups which will be considered as their final playing XI. This initiative is aimed to mitigate any disadvantage for the teams losing the toss.

- Applying Power Surge, similar to Australia’s Big Bash League (BBL).

This provision empowers teams to initiate a Power Play period spanning two overs, any time from the 11th over of the innings to the end of the innings.

During this period, only two fielders are permitted outside the circle. Consequently, the traditional Power Play at the start of the innings would be condensed to four overs.

- Neither the PCB nor the PSL franchises are in favour of adopting the IPL impact player rule

Both the PCB and the PSL franchises will continue to explore additional ideas to add new ideas to the PSL.

I don't know but seems like you get news quicker than PCB does.

 

[Savak]

I don't know but seems like you get news quicker than PCB does.

Because i follow the news and sports reporters. This is the age of social media.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Because i follow the news and sports reporters. This is the age of social media.

But are they true and reliable?

 

[Savak]

But are they true and reliable?

Ofcourse they have sources inside the PCB

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Ofcourse they have sources inside the PCB

Majority of Pakistani "journalists" and "reporters" have a habit of giving made up news though. Unless they're credible, they are usually just reporting masala news and whatever helps them garner views and publicity.

 

[Vikram1989]

I see an issue here.After yesterday's match, srh vs lsg,there will be a comparison of every day match in both leagues.it will effect severely the psl brand image.As one can see the rampant batting by head, buttler,Fraser etc it will be pointed out in every match as psl don't have such batters for t20 hitting.In Bowling ,ipl.can make it up with all the bowlers available from other countries than india.

 

[cricketmania22]

I see an issue here.After yesterday's match, srh vs lsg,there will be a comparison of every day match in both leagues.it will effect severely the psl brand image.As one can see the rampant batting by head, buttler,Fraser etc it will be pointed out in every match as psl don't have such batters for t20 hitting.In Bowling ,ipl.can make it up with all the bowlers available from other countries than india.

Idea is to get those players who don’t play IPL. That will increase PSL’d resources.

 

[Vikram1989]

Idea is to get those players who don’t play IPL. That will increase PSL’d resources.

I agree but invariably it may lead to daily match and stats /strategies comparison there by putting more negative image.

 

[Savak]

I agree but invariably it may lead to daily match and stats /strategies comparison there by putting more negative image.

Comparisons positive or negative, traffic is traffic at the end of the day and the PSL will benefit with the extra attention and traffic

 

[BouncerGuy]

PSL is already not getting big names like Cummins, starc, maxwell etc so overlapping is not gonna be a think to worry about. The main thing to worry about is the broadcast and marketing. When IPL and PSL games are played on the same day, the media will give more hype to IPL games for sure because it involves more money. But I think PCB will do okay. It is worth a try for once.

 

[Savak]

PSL is already not getting big names like Cummins, starc, maxwell etc so overlapping is not gonna be a think to worry about. The main thing to worry about is the broadcast and marketing. When IPL and PSL games are played on the same day, the media will give more hype to IPL games for sure because it involves more money. But I think PCB will do okay. It is worth a try for once.

I think people will be surprised by the hype psl gets while being held alongside the IPL. Not all IPL games are fun and exciting. When these two leagues will be played side by side, good or bad comparisons will be made and the traffic will be beneficial for the PSL.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I think people will be surprised by the hype psl gets while being held alongside the IPL. Not all IPL games are fun and exciting. When these two leagues will be played side by side, good or bad comparisons will be made and the traffic will be beneficial for the PSL.

Yes, You are right. IPL and PSL have always been talked about among sub-continent especially because of Indo-Pak rivalry.

 

[Savak]

Yes, You are right. IPL and PSL have always been talked about among sub-continent especially because of Indo-Pak rivalry.

Don't be surprised too see the IPL Commentators mention the name of a few psl players or too pics, videos of certain IPL fans in the stands streaming a psl game on their phones. In this era of advanced technology, it's easy to watch two different channels on the same screen via split screen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There are certainly alot of upsides to this. Some people are saying that PSL will not have big name foreign talents now. Well, how many big name foreign talents did they have before this? And how many of them were available for the whole season? Some big names like Rashid Khan will not be playing but honestly I would rather take lesser known foreign talents that are available for the full season over big names that play 4 matches. And I'm sure the franchises feel the same way because player availability can ruin their strategy for the entire tournament.

The T20 market has become very oversaturated, which has made the talent pool much bigger too. Big names do affect marketability but PSL does not have the money to compete with IPL. However, if franchises start applying the Moneyball strategy like Islamabad have in previous seasons, I am sure that they will be able to find plenty of good players. And then ofcourse there are numerous big names that don't make the cut for IPL either. Ultimately, the bigger aim is to elevate the quality of the league.

But some ideas here are a little wild. The two line-ups one is possibly the dumbest one of all, with one very obvious loophole that could be easily exploited by teams. I like the Power Surge idea that Big Bash came up with. I'm not too sure about the April-May window, which is also not ideal from a weather stand-point.

Doing play-offs abroad is also a weird idea. I'm not sure if they have done a cost-benefit analysis of if that would actually be profitable or not. But I can definitely see it happening in England.

 

[U$ofA]

I think having the PSL in the same window could be a double edged sword for PSL. There are two schools of thought. One, there will be plenty of players available. On the other hand, publicity, brand building, broadcasting could suffer due to IPL size, glitz and glamor.

But I think will be a good move for PSL to utilize the IPL window. Will help the league grow. But the playing in the IPL window alone is not enough. A lot of administrative, financial and play changes need to happen.

 

[Savak]

I think having the PSL in the same window could be a double edged sword for PSL. There are two schools of thought. One, there will be plenty of players available. On the other hand, publicity, brand building, broadcasting could suffer due to IPL size, glitz and glamor.

But I think will be a good move for PSL to utilize the IPL window. Will help the league grow. But the playing in the IPL window alone is not enough. A lot of administrative, financial and play changes need to happen.

I don't the IPL will be happy with this. If this moves helps the PSL then BPL might look to shift their window to the IPL window to avoid the competition from the leagues in the Dec to Feb window.

 

[U$ofA]

I don't the IPL will be happy with this. If this moves helps the PSL then BPL might look to shift their window to the IPL window to avoid the competition from the leagues in the Dec to Feb window.

Good thing is, all three have exclusive set of fans and following. With very minimal overlapping if any at all.

In case the shift of PSL and BPL happen, then IPL will not only take the top tiered players, they will also have the tier below stay on call in case of injuries.

So PSL will get the tier below that.

 

[Savak]

According to reports, the PSL franchises have rejected all of the PCB suggestions.

They don't have the cajones or stomach to do this.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

PSL franchises not in favour of holding event alongside IPL in 2025: report

The Pakistan Super League (PSL) franchises are not in favour of holding the next edition of the tournament alongside the Indian Premier League (IPL).

According to a local news outlet, franchises urged the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to find a window which doesn’t clash with the IPL, during a meeting of the PSL Cricket Committee on Tuesday, in order to ensure availability of top players.

Earlier this month, the PCB had proposed April 7 to May 20 window for the PSL 2025, due to the Champions Trophy in Pakistan next year, but it clashes with the window for IPL.

The PSL franchises are also against offering higher remuneration to marquee players because it could lead to local star players asking for an increment in their package.

The PCB is also contemplating innovative changes to enhance the excitement of PSL matches from the next edition. However, the idea to introduce impact players and replacing coin tosses with bat tosses also didn’t get the nod from the franchises. The PSL franchises are of the opinion that such innovations are already a part of leagues around the world and not something unique.

Earlier it was also reported that the PSL 2025 playoffs are set to be held at a neutral venue, which, in all probability, will be England.

The next PSL Governing Council meeting will be held towards the end of May 2024. During the meeting, the window for next PSL and changes to playing conditions will be approved.


Geo Super

 

[FearlessRoar]

According to media reports, PSL franchises are worried that local stars might raise objections to their salaries, particularly since the upcoming edition is expected to coincide with the Indian Premier League (IPL) schedule.

Franchise owners reiterated their concern about how they would persuade local stars such as Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Mohammad Rizwan, and Shadab Khan to accept lower pay if top foreign cricketers were brought in with higher compensation.

One owner demanded that the board allow direct contracts with foreign players, to which another owner replied that the same should apply to local cricketers as well.

 

[cricketmania22]

According to media reports, PSL franchises are worried that local stars might raise objections to their salaries, particularly since the upcoming edition is expected to coincide with the Indian Premier League (IPL) schedule.

Franchise owners reiterated their concern about how they would persuade local stars such as Babar Azam, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Mohammad Rizwan, and Shadab Khan to accept lower pay if top foreign cricketers were brought in with higher compensation.

One owner demanded that the board allow direct contracts with foreign players, to which another owner replied that the same should apply to local cricketers as well.

Local starts should be paid the same amount if not higher.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Local starts should be paid the same amount if not higher.

Unless PSL franchisees are ready to accept higher losses this will not work.

PSL doesn't have 100s of millions in revenue to finance this.

 

[cricketmania22]

Unless PSL franchisees are ready to accept higher losses this will not work.

PSL doesn't have 100s of millions in revenue to finance this.

Then PCB should set a realistic price. You can’t have Jason Roy/Alex Hales or whoever get paid more than Babar.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then PCB should set a realistic price. You can’t have Jason Doy/Alex Hales or whoever

get paid more than Babar.

These names are not exactly marquee.

IPL pays a Starc more than a Kohli. But Kohli doesn't care. Why? Because Kohli makes 30mn USD from other sources.

So this Babar cannot be paid less isn't an argument.

 

[cricketmania22]

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These names are not exactly marquee.

IPL pays a Starc more than a Kohli. But Kohli doesn't care. Why? Because Kohli makes 30mn USD from other sources.

So this Babar cannot be paid less isn't an argument.

They are big names for pakistan and PSL is in Pakistan.
PSL doesn’t attract top players like IPL does, it gets leftovers/retirees/snubbers etc. for them to get paid that Pakistani top players would be a)be unfair b)wouldn’t be commercially viable and add to the brand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

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They are big names for pakistan and PSL is in Pakistan.
PSL doesn’t attract top players like IPL does, it gets leftovers/retirees/snubbers etc. for them to get paid that Pakistani top players would be a)be unfair b)wouldn’t be commercially viable and add to the brand.

PCB and PSL want to sign one marquee player for each team. This will be outside the cap.

 

[cricketmania22]

PCB and PSL want to sign one marquee player for each team. This will be outside the cap.

And won’t happen if it overlaps IPL.