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Dear India, stop wasting time on Pakistan because...

That's great. But you didn't answer my question.
Your question is not relevant to this discussion. You are not a westerner and India is not a western democracy. It is important to realize your reality and to stay in your lane. Reasons Pakistan was put on FATF lists had nothing to do with India and the Kashmir issue.

I don't mean to be harsh but that's the reality of it. Bin Laden, Mujahideen, etc were all fine and dandy and supported by billion dollar military industrial complexes of the western world during the Soviet war but when the similar financial framework was used to support them post 9/11, FATF came into being. Why was this never in place prior to 9/11 when the Kashmir freedom struggle or insurgency as you would call it has been going on for years?

Your argument does not fit in this context. this will never be an issue anymore, especially with Trump in charge.
 
If they don't have the courage to take thier country back then their fate is sealed no coming back. Game over.
It will never be game over as long as India exists to keep reminding Pakistanis of why they exist and why their military establishment is important for their survival.

The anti military establishment sentiment was at an all time high in Pakistan, till India's misadventure. Now Muneer and Co have a new lease. India's role in promoting this nonsense is severely understated. You guys have turned them into heroes.
 
Your question is not relevant to this discussion. You are not a westerner and India is not a western democracy. It is important to realize your reality and to stay in your lane. Reasons Pakistan was put on FATF lists had nothing to do with India and the Kashmir issue.

Please answer the question and stop deflecting. You won't answer because your pride will get hurt in admitting that Indian concerns might have played a small part in Pakistan's FATF problems.

 
Please answer the question and stop deflecting. You won't answer because your pride will get hurt in admitting that Indian concerns might have played atleast a small part in Pakistan's FATF problems.

These are tools of leverage. If USA wants to arm twist someone, they want to make sure such mechanisms exists. I believe they wanted Pakistan more involved on the western front in Afghnistan. That is no longer the case. Plus Trump wants nothing to do with what goes on in Kashmir. So good luck going that route again, I think some of the more savvy Indian posters here have accepted that reality.

You seem to have a black and white view of how the world works. It is not as simple as that. US has by and large no dog in the fight anymore except for their fear of China. They may or may not support India because of that. They did not seem to offer much during India's recent misadventure against Pakistan so this should give you an idea. At the end of the day what matters is how the western world or US feels about a certain situation, not India.
 
Indian BJP leadership is something out of the Temple of Doom movie. These clowns use hate against Pakistan and Muslims to gain voters knowing most of their population are either uneducated, brainwashed with Hindutva and Bollywood or just love being patriotic.

I can understand their fascination when daily their shoved hate preaching down their throats.

In the UK most Indians have no issue with Pakistanis, so get on with their lives and live in harmony.
 
These are tools of leverage. If USA wants to arm twist someone, they want to make sure such mechanisms exists. I believe they wanted Pakistan more involved on the western front in Afghnistan. That is no longer the case. Plus Trump wants nothing to do with what goes on in Kashmir. So good luck going that route again, I think some of the more savvy Indian posters here have accepted that reality.

You are a master of stating the obvious. The only thing India can do is lobby the West. Everyone knows the West calls the shots.
 
These are tools of leverage. If USA wants to arm twist someone, they want to make sure such mechanisms exists. I believe they wanted Pakistan more involved on the western front in Afghnistan. That is no longer the case. Plus Trump wants nothing to do with what goes on in Kashmir. So good luck going that route again, I think some of the more savvy Indian posters here have accepted that reality.

You seem to have a black and white view of how the world works. It is not as simple as that. US has by and large no dog in the fight anymore except for their fear of China. They may or may not support India because of that. They did not seem to offer much during India's recent misadventure against Pakistan so this should give you an idea. At the end of the day what matters is how the western world or US feels about a certain situation, not India.
I think that's an incomplete view as well. We've moved back to a world where there's few feelings involved and things are a lot more transactional.

India's definitely not going to succeed in making moral arguments to get Pakistan on the FATF gray list or maybe even some light sanctions. Some solid evidence may help but even that as you say gets ignored these days.

If India wants to lobby the 'West' in getting them to support what it considers it's national interest in punishing and isolating Pakistan, it'll have to offer something. Market access, large civilian/military purchases - stuff like that. Pakistan has China in it's corner but doesn't have much to offer in lobbying the West. It's really a question nowadays of how much India (or any country really) wants it and how much it's willing to pay that'll cost it in other areas to achieve these kinds of things.
 
You do realise the demography of PoK has been completely altered ? Millions of punjabi muslims have been relocated by military junta from their mainland to Kashmir to change the population there; the actual Kashmiris of that region have left and live in the UK, many of them.

PoK is a total waste of time for any Indian govt to focus on.

Where are you getting those figures from? They sound like guesswork masquerading as fact.
 
I think that's an incomplete view as well. We've moved back to a world where there's few feelings involved and things are a lot more transactional.

India's definitely not going to succeed in making moral arguments to get Pakistan on the FATF gray list or maybe even some light sanctions. Some solid evidence may help but even that as you say gets ignored these days.

If India wants to lobby the 'West' in getting them to support what it considers it's national interest in punishing and isolating Pakistan, it'll have to offer something. Market access, large civilian/military purchases - stuff like that. Pakistan has China in it's corner but doesn't have much to offer in lobbying the West. It's really a question nowadays of how much India (or any country really) wants it and how much it's willing to pay that'll cost it in other areas to achieve these kinds of things.

Does India really not have anything better to do than lobby the west about Pakistan?
 
I think that's an incomplete view as well. We've moved back to a world where there's few feelings involved and things are a lot more transactional.

India's definitely not going to succeed in making moral arguments to get Pakistan on the FATF gray list or maybe even some light sanctions. Some solid evidence may help but even that as you say gets ignored these days.

If India wants to lobby the 'West' in getting them to support what it considers it's national interest in punishing and isolating Pakistan, it'll have to offer something. Market access, large civilian/military purchases - stuff like that. Pakistan has China in it's corner but doesn't have much to offer in lobbying the West. It's really a question nowadays of how much India (or any country really) wants it and how much it's willing to pay that'll cost it in other areas to achieve these kinds of things.
I think on all those counts India has already failed. If you guys couldn’t garner enough support, even if it was just a token gesture, from other nations during the recent misadventure, then what is there to discuss?

You want me to state the “not so obvious” then let me do that: India is merely a piece on the chess board for the big daddy to leverage against china. But even big daddy knows it doesn’t have the teeth to cut into china militarily so the warfare will be purely on economic front. Big Daddy, we we call them and soon will all the modi bhakts if they are not doing it already, will support India in the economic front but if India tries any misadventures on the literal battlefield, they will simply shrug their shoulders and look the other way.

So you can try and whine all you want with the “isolate pakistan” tactics but the truth was laid bare to you recently when India seemed to be the one isolated and pakistan still had a few allies in its corner.

Pakistan will cotongue to get financial assistance from the west because that’s how they make money by charging hefty interest on these bailouts so the failure of India to stop pakistan from getting any of it is also not a surprise. Times are rough and this would hit them in their wallet.

Everything else like FATF, etc are just tools for western leverage. They will use them when they want and India can try and convince them diplomatically but so far their attempts to do so have been pretty useless.

The fact of the matter is India has made significant strides economically in recent decades. You don’t want to engage a military state like pakistan in open warfare. You will always lose. Even if it’s a stalemate you are losing. Because you are not reaching your said objectives. You have done nothing to dent LeT and other insurgent groups from activities in IOK.
If you think you have, you live in a fools world.
 
Does India really not have anything better to do than lobby the west about Pakistan?
It's tough to say. Personally, I'm deeply suspicious of the Pakistani military dictatorship and it's motivations. I think they continue to benefit from Indian animosity and increasingly need to feed it as they get unpopular at home. However, I'm aware that suspicion is not proof.

On our side, the Indian government unfortunately has backed itself into a corner. Like any democratic government, they needed someone to blame for bad stuff happening and have identified Pakistan as the bogeyman in the Indian public imagination and now need to act. I'm just hoping they channel this action into other avenues than military action. For me, actions like lobbying for the FATF graylist though less exciting are what I'd hope for.
 
I think on all those counts India has already failed. If you guys couldn’t garner enough support, even if it was just a token gesture, from other nations during the recent misadventure, then what is there to discuss?

You want me to state the “not so obvious” then let me do that: India is merely a piece on the chess board for the big daddy to leverage against china. But even big daddy knows it doesn’t have the teeth to cut into china militarily so the warfare will be purely on economic front. Big Daddy, we we call them and soon will all the modi bhakts if they are not doing it already, will support India in the economic front but if India tries any misadventures on the literal battlefield, they will simply shrug their shoulders and look the other way.

So you can try and whine all you want with the “isolate pakistan” tactics but the truth was laid bare to you recently when India seemed to be the one isolated and pakistan still had a few allies in its corner.

Pakistan will cotongue to get financial assistance from the west because that’s how they make money by charging hefty interest on these bailouts so the failure of India to stop pakistan from getting any of it is also not a surprise. Times are rough and this would hit them in their wallet.

Everything else like FATF, etc are just tools for western leverage. They will use them when they want and India can try and convince them diplomatically but so far their attempts to do so have been pretty useless.

The fact of the matter is India has made significant strides economically in recent decades. You don’t want to engage a military state like pakistan in open warfare. You will always lose. Even if it’s a stalemate you are losing. Because you are not reaching your said objectives. You have done nothing to dent LeT and other insurgent groups from activities in IOK.
If you think you have, you live in a fools world.
You've made a lot of assertions there and I'm not sure where to start.

Maybe I'll only talk about reasons and address capabilities and actions separately. Let me first say I'm not blind to Indian government motivations and stupidity. I fully recognise it's not clear how much Pakistan and it's military dictatorship are to blame for the revival of terrorism in Kashmir. I suspect it's significant but am not sure.

The fact of the matter though is that the Indian government has chosen to lay the blame entirely on Pakistan. I deeply dislike the Modi government and it's rhetoric but do understand why they need to do this. Honestly I prefer demonising Pakistanis to demonising Indian Kashmiris or worse demonising Indian Muslims.

One way or the other, it's now fait accompli. It's sold to the Indian public that Pakistan is entirely to blame and we need to act.

The mode and effectiveness of the action I'll address in a later post. Tomorrow, if you'll bear with me.
 
Pakistan isn’t landing back on the FATF list under Trump’s administration, let’s be real.

As long as Pakistan plays it smart, balancing both the West and China, it’s solid. China would never let Pakistan strain ties with the West, heck, China doesn’t want to strain its own ties with the West.

So no matter how hard India lobbies, Pakistan’s staying off that blacklist.

Here’s what people need to snap out of their daydream to realize, the word “terrorism” has no universal meaning in geopolitics, it’s just a label, twisted to fit whichever agenda’s being sold that day.

Meanwhile, Modi’s government? Boxed itself in so tight, the only card left on the table, the only way to keep domestic support, is to spark a hot war.
 
It's tough to say. Personally, I'm deeply suspicious of the Pakistani military dictatorship and it's motivations. I think they continue to benefit from Indian animosity and increasingly need to feed it as they get unpopular at home. However, I'm aware that suspicion is not proof.

On our side, the Indian government unfortunately has backed itself into a corner. Like any democratic government, they needed someone to blame for bad stuff happening and have identified Pakistan as the bogeyman in the Indian public imagination and now need to act. I'm just hoping they channel this action into other avenues than military action. For me, actions like lobbying for the FATF graylist though less exciting are what I'd hope for.
India is welcome to try military action again. The Pak military establishment is begging them to try further misadventures. They will add a few more field Marshalls to their ranks.
 
Looks like you are crying atm. BEcause me being a Pakistani citizen, I don't care.
This thread is open by a Pakistani not Indian. If Pakistan is countinue harbour the terrorists to attack in India than Brahmos is always ready to bomb terrorist hideout in Pakistan . Rules of game is completely changed now.

Now it's up to Pakistan , what they want - Peace with India or Love/ Support for the terrorist organisations.

:kp
 
Then don't play victim card and crying like a child. :kp
Each time you make a statement, I keep getting this emoji in my mind instead: :rahat
I recommend you replace your signature emoji as it represents the triggered bharatoad more aptly. Just a suggestion
 
Here’s what people need to snap out of their daydream to realize, the word “terrorism” has no universal meaning in geopolitics, it’s just a label, twisted to fit whichever agenda’s being sold that day.

I agree with this.

This is a bitter pill for Indians to swallow.

Nobody is a bigger terrorist than the West itself and all this talk about war against terrorism is a Western concept of keeping their foot over non allies.
 
It's tough to say. Personally, I'm deeply suspicious of the Pakistani military dictatorship and it's motivations. I think they continue to benefit from Indian animosity and increasingly need to feed it as they get unpopular at home. However, I'm aware that suspicion is not proof.

On our side, the Indian government unfortunately has backed itself into a corner. Like any democratic government, they needed someone to blame for bad stuff happening and have identified Pakistan as the bogeyman in the Indian public imagination and now need to act. I'm just hoping they channel this action into other avenues than military action. For me, actions like lobbying for the FATF graylist though less exciting are what I'd hope for.

So you think trying to lobby the west against Pakistan is a fruitful path for India?
 
So you think trying to lobby the west against Pakistan is a fruitful path for India?
In the end, there's no fully effective strategy against a State - especially a dictatorship that wants to stay rogue. The West has deployed every tool in it's toolbox short of outright war against Iran and they still continue to support rogue groups like the Hezbollah. Pakistan, being a nuclear power is even tougher to deter.

If Pakistan is going to turn away from supporting extremist groups, it has to come from within through democracy and a change in the public mood.

Even so, there is something to be said for efforts to punish Pakistan through such economic means
- It's better than military actions which are largely ineffective, risky and worst of all result in loss of human lives both soldiers and civilians
- It has some chance of success depending on what India is willing to give the West in return since Pakistan doesn't have much to offer
- There is some chance Pakistan may be deferred. It doesn't have the natural resource shield that Iran has and is not as ready as Iran to cut itself off from the West. It still desires the West's approval and needs financing from Western institutions
- Finally of course, the Indian government needs something to sell to the public as revenge for such terrorist attacks. Since it operates in a democratic environment, it can't get away with as little action as the Pakistan dictatorship showed in response to the Balochistan train attacks.

All in all, yes I think it's still fruitful to lobby the West for action against Pakistan.
 
This thread is open by a Pakistani not Indian. If Pakistan is countinue harbour the terrorists to attack in India than Brahmos is always ready to bomb terrorist hideout in Pakistan . Rules of game is completely changed now.


:kp
List those new rules here. :kp :inti
 
In the end, there's no fully effective strategy against a State - especially a dictatorship that wants to stay rogue. The West has deployed every tool in it's toolbox short of outright war against Iran and they still continue to support rogue groups like the Hezbollah. Pakistan, being a nuclear power is even tougher to deter.

If Pakistan is going to turn away from supporting extremist groups, it has to come from within through democracy and a change in the public mood.

Even so, there is something to be said for efforts to punish Pakistan through such economic means
- It's better than military actions which are largely ineffective, risky and worst of all result in loss of human lives both soldiers and civilians
- It has some chance of success depending on what India is willing to give the West in return since Pakistan doesn't have much to offer
- There is some chance Pakistan may be deferred. It doesn't have the natural resource shield that Iran has and is not as ready as Iran to cut itself off from the West. It still desires the West's approval and needs financing from Western institutions
- Finally of course, the Indian government needs something to sell to the public as revenge for such terrorist attacks. Since it operates in a democratic environment, it can't get away with as little action as the Pakistan dictatorship showed in response to the Balochistan train attacks.

All in all, yes I think it's still fruitful to lobby the West for action against Pakistan.

So you basically accept your govts version of events pretty much carte blanche. If that is true, then I guess Pakistan really is the puppet master here, given that India spends so much of it's time focused on Pakistan terrorism whereas most other developed nations don't see it as much of an issue.
 
Pakistan - India is different from Ukraine - Russia

Ukraine has the whole West standing by it and Russia is a diminishing world power

In our case, India remains a rising power and Pakistan doesn’t an Ukraine like support in the world.

With time, as the Indian economy keeps getting stronger, they will flex more. More border disputes will become hot topics and India will keep looking for excuses to bully Pakistan militarily.

Long story short, the only way Pakistan survives this is by giving up military dictatorship, forming a stable civilian govt that can form good relations with India by ensuring nothing from their side would pose any security risk to Indians anywhere. It’s the only way.

Today India struck Pakistan for 26 dead people. There could be a time they do it for 1 dead person.

Of course if the Indian economy gets off track then India cannot flex as much so
 
So you basically accept your govts version of events pretty much carte blanche. If that is true, then I guess Pakistan really is the puppet master here, given that India spends so much of it's time focused on Pakistan terrorism whereas most other developed nations don't see it as much of an issue.
Not really but I do have a very strong suspicion. Whether precise direction from Pakistan or just financial and logistical assistance, militant groups in Kashmir do rely on Pakistani support.

In this case, what's extra suspicious is the timing. The Pakistani dictator needed to buoy up his almost non-existent support among the public and get Imran Khan out of the public eye. He could easily have relied on the predictable reaction from Modi and his group of idiots that they'll act immediately, pointlessly and only go so far and no further which will unite his own country behind him.

I'm aware though that there's no public evidence. Which is why I'm a strong advocate of non-military options.

I'm not sure why other countries should care about Pakistani terrorism. Pakistani State support for terrorism is very narrowly focused. Only India (and Pakistan itself) is impacted and therefore will have to give something to get aid from other countries to restrain the support.
 
Not really but I do have a very strong suspicion. Whether precise direction from Pakistan or just financial and logistical assistance, militant groups in Kashmir do rely on Pakistani support.

In this case, what's extra suspicious is the timing. The Pakistani dictator needed to buoy up his almost non-existent support among the public and get Imran Khan out of the public eye. He could easily have relied on the predictable reaction from Modi and his group of idiots that they'll act immediately, pointlessly and only go so far and no further which will unite his own country behind him.

I'm aware though that there's no public evidence. Which is why I'm a strong advocate of non-military options.

I'm not sure why other countries should care about Pakistani terrorism. Pakistani State support for terrorism is very narrowly focused. Only India (and Pakistan itself) is impacted and therefore will have to give something to get aid from other countries to restrain the support.

The same argument of course could be made that Pakistani "terrorism" suits Modi and the BJP govt given that they really don't seem to have much else to focus on or show off to their electorate. Generally dog whistle politics is used by rudimentary opposition politicians looking to rally an ignorant public behind something simple and reactionary rather than genuine building blocks which would ensure the country's future prosperity. Given that the BJP have been in power for two terms now, it is strange that they are still focusing on whipping up cheap hysteria against Pakistan or internal enemies within - inevitably Muslim.
 
The same argument of course could be made that Pakistani "terrorism" suits Modi and the BJP govt given that they really don't seem to have much else to focus on or show off to their electorate. Generally dog whistle politics is used by rudimentary opposition politicians looking to rally an ignorant public behind something simple and reactionary rather than genuine building blocks which would ensure the country's future prosperity. Given that the BJP have been in power for two terms now, it is strange that they are still focusing on whipping up cheap hysteria against Pakistan or internal enemies within - inevitably Muslim.
Yes...Modi needs anti-Pakistan hysteria and more specifically anti-Muslim prejudice as a key election plank. He probably welcomed the atrocity as a way to drum up his core base by displaying his strongman credentials. Would've been nice to have it closer to an important election but couldn't expect that much of a gift from Munir.

If you're trying to insinuate some kind of false-flag operation though, you're either trolling or an idiot and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
Yes...Modi needs anti-Pakistan hysteria and more specifically anti-Muslim prejudice as a key election plank. He probably welcomed the atrocity as a way to drum up his core base by displaying his strongman credentials. Would've been nice to have it closer to an important election but couldn't expect that much of a gift from Munir.

If you're trying to insinuate some kind of false-flag operation though, you're either trolling or an idiot and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Right. I had assumed you were less prone to hindutva nonsense but perhaps not. I never mentioned false flag, I always look at who gets the most mileage from these incidents. Pakistan army? Maybe. But but if that means burdening the country with compounding debt, it is building your own graveyard eventually. Pakistan army could survive in a prospering country more effectively and long term.

Indian govt was blaming Pakistan barely before the smoke from the gun barrels had dissipated. If that didn't look suspect to you then I think this is your saffron specs tinting the view somewhat.
 
If you're trying to insinuate some kind of false-flag operation though, you're either trolling or an idiot and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

He absolutely is accusing Modi of slaughtering 28 tourists and creating a chain of events just to enhance his political popularity. :facepalm:

Not the brightest analyst is Cpt.
 
If you're trying to insinuate some kind of false-flag operation though, you're either trolling or an idiot and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
U should know with whom u r dealing. He suggested to nuke out the dams in kashmir with out understanding the impact in downstream.
 
He absolutely is accusing Modi of slaughtering 28 tourists and creating a chain of events just to enhance his political popularity. :facepalm:

Not the brightest analyst is Cpt.
THese guys has same ideology as LET, JEM and Hamas . Why you expecting sane answer reply from them. Waste of time :kp
 
He absolutely is accusing Modi of slaughtering 28 tourists and creating a chain of events just to enhance his political popularity. :facepalm:

Not the brightest analyst is Cpt.
Yeah I've interacted with him in the past and I shouldn't have bothered this time. I deeply dislike Modi and his cronies and their cynical use of religion and religious prejudices as an election plank but only the most blinkered diehard could see them using Indian intelligence services to fund and direct terrorists to murder Indian tourists in India for political gain. That's the kind of thinking that leads to discussions about the 'alleged' structural integrity of steel in the Twin towers and eventually flat earth theories.

If nothing else, the fact that they're typical bumbling politicians should be enough for anyone to dismiss the thought.
 
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U should know with whom u r dealing. He suggested to nuke out the dams in kashmir with out understanding the impact in downstream.

Only a dimwit would take a poster of a Duke Nuk'em video game as a serious post. But given the tone of rhetoric being bandied about in the thread about cutting off water supplies, it was a very appropriate response.
 
Typical. When you can't address the points raised then start attacking the poster.

Question- Do you also believe 9/11 was a Mossad false-flag operation ? Several of your countrymen on here believe this is the case.
 
Typical. When you can't address the points raised then start attacking the poster.

you should be the very last person on Gods green earth to talk about attacking other posters when your only get-out-of-jail card is to accuse almost every single Indian poster to be a Hindutva extremist and what not ... and you do that on topics where you have diddly squat knowledge about anything whatsoever .... pretty much anything involving India.
 
Expect Indians to completely derail the thread now. Their unique speciality. :inti

Topic: "Dear India, stop wasting time on Pakistan because..."

Sanghi: "What about 9/11? What about Timbuktu?"

#MentalIllness
 
^ Now would be a good time to bring up that study i read recently about how Pakistan is one of the most conspiracy-prone countries on Earth.

One reason why the disease polio still exists in Pak is because of how many people still believe the vaccine is actually a secret effort to prevent poor people from reproducing :facepalm:
 
This thread is not about 9/11. Can you stop derailing the thread like a typical sanghi? :inti

Many Americans themselves believe 9/11 was a false flag --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_truth_movement.

It's another attempt to derail the topic we were discussing which at the time was which govt gained more from the Pahalgam attack and the timeline. There was a case being made for both sides, but when it was presented that India jumped the gun by presenting a case against Pakistan before anyone had even had time to assess the situation, then suddenly the poster starts getting attacked rather than focus on the issues being discussed. Now they want to talk about twin towers instead. :facepalm:
 
It's another attempt to derail the topic we were discussing which at the time was which govt gained more from the Pahalgam attack and the timeline. There was a case being made for both sides, but when it was presented that India jumped the gun by presenting a case against Pakistan before anyone had even had time to assess the situation, then suddenly the poster starts getting attacked rather than focus on the issues being discussed. Now they want to talk about twin towers instead. :facepalm:

They got their backside kicked badly. 6-7 downed jets, possibly 100+ dead soldiers, 2 damaged/destroyed S-400s etc.

India exposed their military incompetency.

Sanghis are trying to derail to avoid embarrassment. It is a coping mechanism I guess. :dav
 
you should be the very last person on Gods green earth to talk about attacking other posters when your only get-out-of-jail card is to accuse almost every single Indian poster to be a Hindutva extremist and what not ... and you do that on topics where you have diddly squat knowledge about anything whatsoever .... pretty much anything involving India.
Tu toh chup hi baith. I have never seen him stoop to the point where, when he has nothing left to say, he starts dragging in someone's mother and sister like you do. :inti
 
you should be the very last person on Gods green earth to talk about attacking other posters when your only get-out-of-jail card is to accuse almost every single Indian poster to be a Hindutva extremist and what not ... and you do that on topics where you have diddly squat knowledge about anything whatsoever .... pretty much anything involving India.

You are Hindutva extremist. You want to slaughter humans over a steak.
 
you should be the very last person on Gods green earth to talk about attacking other posters when your only get-out-of-jail card is to accuse almost every single Indian poster to be a Hindutva extremist and what not ... and you do that on topics where you have diddly squat knowledge about anything whatsoever .... pretty much anything involving India.

You voted in a hindutva govt. It's pretty hard to avoid hindutva when it is govt policy in India. Not really sure why Indian posters get so riled up about being labelled hindutva given that reality.
 
corrected for accuracy .... any progress on the homework assignment ?

Hey, nothing justify killing of humans over a steak.

Matter of fact, you are a text book example of Hindutva extremists.

They should erect your statue next to Modi.
 
You voted in a hindutva govt. It's pretty hard to avoid hindutva when it is govt policy in India. Not really sure why Indian posters get so riled up about being labelled hindutva given that reality.

except when you run away tail between legs when confronted with facts about the supposedly evil Hindutva Govt. and why they are legitimately ruling the country unlike the banana republics to the north,east and west of India whom you shamelessly defend.
 
Hey, nothing justify killing of humans over a steak.

Matter of fact, you are a text book example of Hindutva extremists.

They should erect your statue next to Modi.

concentrate on the homework assignment.
 
except when you run away tail between legs when confronted with facts about the supposedly evil Hindutva Govt. and why they are legitimately ruling the country unlike the banana republics to the north,east and west of India whom you shamelessly defend.


What has any of that got to do with my post you are quoting? You were complaining that I label some Indian posters as hindutva, and I merely pointed out that your govt policy is hindutva...so if you support them, presumably you are hindutva..no? :unsure:

What is even wrong with it? You want to support a hindutva govt, but you are ashamed to be labelled hindutva? It doesn't make much sense.
 
What has any of that got to do with my post you are quoting? You were complaining that I label some Indian posters as hindutva, and I merely pointed out that your govt policy is hindutva...so if you support them, presumably you are hindutva..no? :unsure:

What is even wrong with it? You want to support a hindutva govt, but you are ashamed to be labelled hindutva? It doesn't make much sense.

genius Its like this .... you blame Hindutva for stuff that happened waay before there was any Hindutva govt AT ALL ... do you understand the absurdity of that ? Pretty sure you dont. And it would not even surprise me.


Then there is this tendency to generalize everybody as Hindutva ... including the Supreme court justices just because they have hindu names. this is the extent of your "logic" and rationale
 
concentrate on the homework assignment.
Oh, I did the work, I went through all scenario.

And guess what? The conclusion’s still the same, humans shouldn’t die over a steak. Unless, of course, you’re dealing with Hindutva types like you, living comfortably in America while cheerleading Indians to slaughter other Indians over what’s on their plate.

Textbook example of a religious extremist. Congratulations, you’re the poster child.
 
Let’s be absolutely clear. Within five minutes of the Phalgam attack, the Indian government and media rushed to blame Pakistan, no investigation, no evidence, just instant finger pointing. And most Indians, whether they are Hindutva extremists or ordinary citizens who claim to oppose religious extremism, expected Pakistan to simply roll over and accept it.

But here’s the hard truth they refuse to face, while they demand Pakistan accept blame, they refuse to acknowledge India’s own involvement in supporting terrorism inside Pakistan. They want Pakistan to swallow the idea that India has the right to kill Pakistani citizens through military action or proxy terrorists, without consequence.

That will never happen. Pakistan will always retaliate.

Whether under a civilian or military government, Pakistan will always respond to Indian aggression, whether that aggression comes directly from the Indian military or through its proxy networks. And let’s be blunt, it doesn’t matter how much money India holds in foreign reserves. Pakistan’s commitment to retaliate is non negotiable and unshakable.

If Pakistan were truly behind Phalgam, you wouldn’t see the Pakistani government navigating diplomatic channels with such confidence, nor would Pakistan be dismantling India’s narrative on international stages so effectively. The reality is, India was hit by its own local Kashmiris, and India has failed spectacularly to provide evidence to the international community, to its own people, or even to arrest the suspects involved.

Think about that, in the most militarized zone on Earth, far from Pakistan’s western border, India couldn’t apprehend a single perpetrator, yet it wants the world to take its blame game seriously.

The bottom line? Indians, whether Hindutva or not, have consciously or subconsciously internalized the narratives fed to them by godi media and their government. And until they break free from that bubble, they will keep missing the hard reality staring them in the face.
 
genius Its like this .... you blame Hindutva for stuff that happened waay before there was any Hindutva govt AT ALL ... do you understand the absurdity of that ? Pretty sure you dont. And it would not even surprise me.


Then there is this tendency to generalize everybody as Hindutva ... including the Supreme court justices just because they have hindu names. this is the extent of your "logic" and rationale

This is just baseless rambling which is what you usually resort to when you can't answer specifics. But feel free to quote me to back up any of those assertions if you have actually based them on any particular topic.
 
Yay bravo!! so the answer to the question I asked in the homewirk assignment is ...... *drum roll*

Save your energy, no need to drum roll, you’ll need it when you return to India to cheer for the cow lynchers.

The conclusion remains firm, no human life should ever be taken over a steak. Full stop. No justification, no cultural excuse, no political spin.
 
Save your energy, no need to drum roll, you’ll need it when you return to India to cheer for the cow lynchers.

The conclusion remains firm, no human life should ever be taken over a steak. Full stop. No justification, no cultural excuse, no political spin.

in other words you want Muslims in India to have carte blanche freedom to deliberately indulge in blatant acts of bigotry and Intolerance with absolutely no adverse consequences .... tell me something new.
 
in other words you want Muslims in India to have carte blanche freedom to deliberately indulge in blatant acts of bigotry and Intolerance with absolutely no adverse consequences .... tell me something new.
Here it is:


Go and post your opinion there. :inti
 
Here it is:


Go and post your opinion there. :inti

Sewer khan Tu abhi tak bheek mang raha hai ? Aaj kisi ney bheek nahi di ? bechara
 
What happened, Mr. Coward? Are you not going to post your opinion there? Chickening out once again? :yk :inti

Poor thing lagta hai aaj kisi ney bheek nahi di ... bahut bhook lagi hai tujhe ?

Chalo ji ... today I am in a good mood ... seriously pooch and I will give you your bheek. I promise
 
Poor thing lagta hai aaj kisi ney bheek nahi di ... bahut bhook lagi hai tujhe ?

Chalo ji ... today I am in a good mood ... seriously pooch and I will give you your bheek. I promise
Why do you start acting like a 'chhapri' when the going gets tough? Full time bhikhari hai kya tu? :yk :inti
 
in other words you want Muslims in India to have carte blanche freedom to deliberately indulge in blatant acts of bigotry and Intolerance with absolutely no adverse consequences .... tell me something new.

Don’t think that Hinduism required you to kill human over a cow.

Hindutva extremism do required you to kill Muslims.

Recently watched a video where an Indian tiger slaughtered a cow by a neck. Time for you to chase out all tigers out of India. Pull up your dhoti, grab your lathi and go lynch a tiger.
 
Don’t think that Hinduism required you to kill human over a cow.

Yeah the cow protection articles in the Indian constitution were a result of random people doing random stuff ... just for shitz and giggles.
 
Yeah the cow protection articles in the Indian constitution were a result of random people doing random stuff ... just for shitz and giggles.

Cows aren’t endangered species. Cows don’t need protection.

I guess another reason India can never be a superpower, imagine Hindutva going to war over a steak with the rest of the world.

Hindutva extremists do seem to enjoy killing humans for over cows and giggles.
 
Bheek maang raha hai tau serious hona padega tere ko ... try ... as I told you I am in a good mood today
Are you sure you are in a good mood today? Because your poorly written posts in the other thread say otherwise and they are thoroughly taken apart by @Mamoon. And now you are back here with more of your usual "bheekh bheekh" routine. Maybe take a break and spare yourself the ongoing humiliation, Mr. Coward. :yk :inti
 
Cows aren’t endangered species. Cows don’t need protection.

Our country our rules ... now lets get to the core issue of Muslim intolerance and bigotry in India that you are solidly batting for many months ... you want to explain how you claim to have a moral highground on this topic when it is crystal clear that muslims are deliberately breaking laws in India ?
 
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