Dear Pakistanis...

[LordJames]

I see a lot of despondency and lack of hope sometimes from typical Pakistani fans and comparisons to India so let me remind you.

Let there be no doubt that Indians, US, British and European Media deliberately and actively spread disinformation about Pakistan. Journalists all over the world are Pro-India and they are impressed and influenced by the Indian Media and Indian Journalists.

For example, majority of mainstream Media (MSM) is dead set against Donald Trump and they scrutinise every policy and find some to punch holes in everything Trump or his cabinet proposes. There has been a single exception and this was the punitive military aid cut, not a single significant media outlet or commentator dissected the issue and explained that this pure madness and will destabilise Afghanistan and put American lives in harm’s way.

When Fareed Zakariyya finally spoke about it, look how negatively he twisted the issue

India is a huge market and whenever a western politician visits India, it is an obligation upon them to bash Pakistan while speaking in New Delhi. It is a ritual which they all diligently and faithfully execute.

India lets no opportunity go by to ensure that Pakistan is isolated at every opportunity.

Pakistan’s cricket isolation has a lot to do with India because cricket boards want a slice of the Indian market and players don’t want to rub India the wrong way.

Despite Terrorism, isolation, (backstabbing by) Afghans and Bangladesh, financial problems it is a huge achievement by Pakistan and people of Pakistan to be internationally competitive and to have a league of their own.

Despite the corruption, you should be proud of what you have achieved.
Comparisons with South Africa are not correct because of the following reasons:

• South Africa had an established domestic system and had established country stars.
• South Africa never had a Terrorism related issue
• South Africa never had financial problems
• South African (apartheid) regime was still backed by most white (xenophobic) leaders and countries while Pakistan is actively and deliberately put down (unanimously) everyone.

Pakistan has problems (no doubt) but in March 2018 they are nowhere as severe as the Media makes it out to be!

 

[IndianFan2018]

Kudos for such a long thread !

 

[mohan11]

Thoroughly enjoyed, keep up the good work

 

[Major]

conspiracy against pakistan

 

[jagatk]

Serious delusions on part of OP. Indian media or American media or the new world order or the lizard people are not responsible for Pakistan's isolation their own actions are.

I won't deny india has fanned the flames from time to time but the flames were not an Indian or anybody else's creation they were your own. Pakistan even at best times was referred to as a frenemy of west, a friend for now but one never knows when it might turn in them.

Bin laden was found in Pakistan that isn't a conspiracy against you it is ISI's double agent role coming to bite you in the back. Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist who openly roams in Pakistan name me any designated terrorist roaming freely in any Democratic country.

Until SL were attacked which again actually happened not a conspiracy atleast smaller teams were happy to tour Pakistan once that happened everyone dragged their feet over it and can't blame them. Today you say situation is better but fact is your opinion matters little to outsiders until I feel I will be safe in Pakistan I won't travel there is the view most take and nothing wrong with it.

You mention India and Germany and England while forgetting a simple thing people trust law and order in those countries more than they would in Pakistan, when you have a history of terrorist roaming openly and your own ex pm openly admitting to supporting taliban and destabilize Afghanistan PM's regime. Trust is something that is hard to achieve with such a history.

 

[dhonixi]

All countries are conspiring against Pakistan. It is a big conspiracy.

 

[R3verse Swing]

People do not realise one simple fact. The world was against Pakistan in obtaining Nuclear Weapons (For obvious reasons which I will not go into). They tried their best so that Pakistan would not, could not, develop nuclear weapons.

Lo and behold, Pakistan defied the wishes of the world.

So it stands to reason why Pakistan is in the list of public enemies of the world, in particular the West and India. Pre 1999, Pakistan was not so much an enemy of the world.

 

[moghul]

"India is a huge market and whenever a western politician visits India, it is an obligation upon them to bash Pakistan while speaking in New Delhi. It is a ritual which they all diligently and faithfully execute."



This is 100% true, but "credit" goes to India to achieve that status but if they want to take the next step they need to behave like a big country and leave Pakistan alone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is a huge market and whenever a western politician visits India, it is an obligation upon them to bash Pakistan while speaking in New Delhi. It is a ritual which they all diligently and faithfully execute.

India lets no opportunity go by to ensure that Pakistan is isolated at every opportunity.

Pakistan’s cricket isolation has a lot to do with India because cricket boards want a slice of the Indian market and players don’t want to rub India the wrong way.

Those points are all valid, goes with the territory of market economy.

 

[R3verse Swing]

People should also realise another important fact. India was condemned by the international community when it developed nuclear weapons. India obtained Uranium from Canada for Nuclear energy, but then used the Uranium to build nuclear weapons. The international community responded by imposing sanctions.

India’s 1974 nuclear test was condemned by many countries as a violation of the peaceful-use agreements underlying U.S. and Canadian-supplied nuclear technology and material transfers, and was a major contributing factor to the formation of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). [23] The United States responded to the test by imposing a number of sanctions on India. [24]

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/india/nuclear/

Up until the mid to late 90s, India was also a laughing stock, but all that changed when India relaxed it's economic policies, and opened its gates to foreign investment. Given the size of Indian market, the rest is history.

So let's not pretend the West/World views nations equally - there is always a motive behind public perception.

 

[Tusker]

People do not realise one simple fact. The world was against Pakistan in obtaining Nuclear Weapons (For obvious reasons which I will not go into). They tried their best so that Pakistan would not, could not, develop nuclear weapons.

Lo and behold, Pakistan defied the wishes of the world.

So it stands to reason why Pakistan is in the list of public enemies of the world, in particular the West and India. Pre 1999, Pakistan was not so much an enemy of the world.

I wonder why the Entire world was upset about a benign peaceloving harmless dove like country such as Pakistan went Nuclear !! Sheer madness on the part of the collective world ... what were they thinking !!

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
[MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION]
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[cricketworm]

Let's say 26/11 attack on indian soil was unavoidable by Pak authority, had they taken at least proper responsibility and admitted it's failure on their part too, admitted that they were Pak nationals right away, supported Indian authority fully for investigation, I bet cricket relationship would have been different.

And keeping politics and cricket aside is fairly tale. Yes, I agree many authorities in India want to hurt Pakistan, where it hurts the most. Cricket. And it's because of the non support they got during and post 26/11.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People should also realise another important fact. India was condemned by the international community when it developed nuclear weapons. India obtained Uranium from Canada for Nuclear energy, but then used the Uranium to build nuclear weapons. The international community responded by imposing sanctions.



http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/india/nuclear/

Up until the mid to late 90s, India was also a laughing stock, but all that changed when India relaxed it's economic policies, and opened its gates to foreign investment. Given the size of Indian market, the rest is history.

So let's not pretend the West/World views nations equally - there is always a motive behind public perception.

Excellent points well made. The western world as it is now aligned is currently focusing on Russia again as the bogey man, because obviously they threaten our influence in the east, and by extension our living standards ultimately. That might change again in five years time, good guy/bad guy is fluid depending on the current interests of our nations.

 

[prakash]

Pakistan’s cricket isolation has a lot to do with India because cricket boards want a slice of the Indian market and players don’t want to rub India the wrong way.

Yes. India instigated Taliban to shoot at Lankan team resulting in isolation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes. India instigated Taliban to shoot at Lankan team resulting in isolation.

Are you suggesting a false flag attack? How would they benefit from it?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Excellent points well made. The western world as it is now aligned is currently focusing on Russia again as the bogey man, because obviously they threaten our influence in the east, and by extension our living standards ultimately. That might change again in five years time, good guy/bad guy is fluid depending on the current interests of our nations.

Indeed.

More so, Henry Kissinger, the US State Secretary, is on record stating that if Pakistan did develop nuclear weapons, USA would make an example of Pakistan. Here we are in the modern day!

https://www.dawn.com/news/1023467

Like you say Russia is now the *new* Bogeyman. The West has rinsed the Middle East for what it is worth. (With the exception of Iran). Bin Laden, a CIA operative helping USA to fight the war in Afghanistan, used, then anointed to Terrorist status. ISIS the result of the Iraq war in 2003, and of course the Taliban, born out of the vacuum created in Afghanistan by the Russians/Americans.

It's all a political charade, the real tragedy is people just fail to see a repeating pattern. Most sheeple have no idea why wars are instigated, for what purpose and gain.

Benjamin H. Freedman's [A Zionist defector] excellent speech on how World War One (and Two) really started and why the U.S. were involved :

[utube]HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

Text Version of speech : http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

As the saying goes, it's all rigged.

 

[JaDed]

Yes that's why I see a lot of love from Guardian and Nytimes regarding our space programs.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes that's why I see a lot of love from Guardian and Nytimes regarding our space programs.

Elitist jealous snobs, like Pakistani and Indian fans who always ridicule Bangladeshi cricketers for every misdemeanour when their own cricketers have been guilty of far heinous crimes.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't blame anyone else at all. As I have pointed out in another thread Pakistanis themselves are experts in always moaning about everything. When our so called experts paint a picture of Pak being such a terrible place then don't blame the west or India for doing the same. We need to get over this victim mentality as well, we are living fine without Bollywood and our Cricket has survived without playing India. Honestly, whenever I visit Pak like a few months back it seems like a different world to what our media is saying. I feel safe and enjoy myself, immensely.

 

[English August]

I wonder why the Entire world was upset about a benign peaceloving harmless dove like country such as Pakistan went Nuclear !! Sheer madness on the part of the collective world ... what were they thinking !!


[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
[MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION]
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

India and Pakistan conducted nuclear test within days of each other. World's immediate reaction was condemnation and swift ban on exporting technology items. It was hard to import even a regular Unix server from American corporations.

It took a couple of years for things to start cooling down. Eventually regular trade started again. The big difference though is that India demonstrated to the world that it was a responsible nuclear power. This was acknowledged by formal entry in the nuclear club. OTOH, Pakistan was seen to be exporting nuclear know-how to rogue states like North Korea, hence still treated as a nuclear pariah state by the major powers.

 

[English August]

Elitist jealous snobs, like Pakistani and Indian fans who always ridicule Bangladeshi cricketers for every misdemeanour when their own cricketers have been guilty of far heinous crimes.

Tom Cruise in 'A few good men': "Crime, what crime did he commit? All he did was bring some food for a hungry man."

Raping a woman is a heinous crime. Murdering someone is a heinous crime.

Kohli giving sendoff to a departing batsman is NOT a heinous crime.

Choice of words matters.

 

[English August]

Are you suggesting a false flag attack? How would they benefit from it?

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory. You need to allow for the most obvious answer: for decades Pakistan has by design chosen to operate a terrorism factory at home. Some of those home-grown snakes decided that they'll go beyond the brief provided by ISI, and shoot a few visiting cricketers instead of killing innocent children in India. They were probably too stupid to realize what it might do to cricket in Pakistan.

Most times the obvious answer is the right answer.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Tom Cruise in 'A few good men': "Crime, what crime did he commit? All he did was bring some food for a hungry man."

Raping a woman is a heinous crime. Murdering someone is a heinous crime.

Kohli giving sendoff to a departing batsman is NOT a heinous crime.

Choice of words matters.

Cricketing crimes. And I didn't have Kohli in mind. Indian cricket didnt start with Kohli.

 

[English August]

A gentle suggestion to the OP: before you post, first build a consistent narrative in your head, and then write. You appear confused.

If your goal was to paint India as a villain responsible for everything that's wrong in Pakistan, there are a lot more clever ways of doing it.

 

[English August]

Cricketing crimes. And I didn't have Kohli in mind. Indian cricket didnt start with Kohli.

You said heinous.

What cricketing crimes did you have in mind? Let's see a starter list.

 

[Snak3eye5]

"
This is 100% true, but "credit" goes to India to achieve that status but if they want to take the next step they need to behave like a big country and leave Pakistan alone.

This couldn’t be further away from the truth. Quite literally India wants nothing to do with Pakistan. But if you think India is just going to turn its back and leave Pakistan alone so that Pakistans religious nut jobs or its army can pull another Kargil or 26/11, then you’re delusional or very naive

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not everything needs to be a conspiracy theory. You need to allow for the most obvious answer: for decades Pakistan has by design chosen to operate a terrorism factory at home. Some of those home-grown snakes decided that they'll go beyond the brief provided by ISI, and shoot a few visiting cricketers instead of killing innocent children in India. They were probably too stupid to realize what it might do to cricket in Pakistan.

Most times the obvious answer is the right answer.

It wasn't me who suggested it was a false flag attack, it was your Indian compatriot Prakash. You should probably have quoted him, please read the thread properly before jumping in due to your confirmation bias.

 

[jagatk]

It wasn't me who suggested it was a false flag attack, it was your Indian compatriot Prakash. You should probably have quoted him, please read the thread properly before jumping in due to your confirmation bias.

It's you who misconstrued my friend it seems to be a sarcastic post mocking the poster blaming everything on India not a suggestion about anything. Tbf to you the sarcasm isn't well done in the post.

 

[Greenstorm]

Other countries will always exploit our weaknesses and secure their own interests. We should not expect anything else as this is the way world works. Keeping our own house in order and protection of our interests at any cost is the way to go.

 

[Napa]

I wonder why the Entire world was upset about a benign peaceloving harmless dove like country such as Pakistan went Nuclear !! Sheer madness on the part of the collective world ... what were they thinking !!

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
[MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION]
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Given that Bin Laden decided that the safest place in the world for him to live was in the vicinity of an Pakistani Army base...

 

[Lonewarrior]

No one is hopeless here, and i am talking about people who are living in pakistan. not living abroad. things are fine here ( no country is 100% perfect ). the only people you see often moaning here about pakistan have ther own agenda etc.

PAKISTAN IS HERE TO STAY FOREVER ! inshAllah.. Long Live Pakistan ..

 

[Napa]

No one is hopeless here, and i am talking about people who are living in pakistan. not living abroad. things are fine here ( no country is 100% perfect ). the only people you see often moaning here about pakistan have ther own agenda etc.

PAKISTAN IS HERE TO STAY FOREVER ! inshAllah.. Long Live Pakistan ..

Let alone "forever" if Pakistan survives for a 1,000 years, it would have accomplished what no other country in history has as yet accomplished.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Let alone "forever" if Pakistan survives for a 1,000 years, it would have accomplished what no other country in history has as yet accomplished.

And what's that?

That's like saying India would not have survived for over 1000 years had it not been for Muslims, but will not survive for another 1000 years because of right wing nationalism.

 

[Napa]

And what's that?

That's like saying India would not have survived for over 1000 years had it not been for Muslims, but will not survive for another 1000 years because of right wing nationalism.

I have no idea what you are talking about, your post makes no sense.

India also would have accomplished what no other country in history has as yet accomplished if it survives for 1,000 years.

 

[English August]

It wasn't me who suggested it was a false flag attack, it was your Indian compatriot Prakash. You should probably have quoted him, please read the thread properly before jumping in due to your confirmation bias.

As jagatk noted, you failed to see the sarcasm in Prakash's post. There is no confirmation bias. All I ever see is bias in your posts, but hey this is a public forum, you can say whatever you feel like.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I wonder why the Entire world was upset about a benign peaceloving harmless dove like country such as Pakistan went Nuclear !! Sheer madness on the part of the collective world ... what were they thinking !!


[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]
[MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION]
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Indians started their nuclear program before Pakistan. Indians got nukes as a deterrence against China. Obviously that was going to start a chain reaction in the region. It would have been more dangerous if only India had nukes and Pakistan didn't. Then India would probably attempt invasions every couple of decades. At least now there's only skirmishes at the border.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indians started their nuclear program before Pakistan. Indians got nukes as a deterrence against China. Obviously that was going to start a chain reaction in the region. It would have been more dangerous if only India had nukes and Pakistan didn't. Then India would probably attempt invasions every couple of decades. At least now there's only skirmishes at the border.

Nuclear families are on decline in India. What about Pakistan?

 

[blackanhyellow]

Nuclear families are on decline in India. What about Pakistan?

How do you know? Arent you from Bangladesh?

 

[CricketCartoons]

How do you know? Arent you from Bangladesh?

No need to get personal just because I asked a question about Pakistan.

 

[blackanhyellow]

No need to get personal just because I asked a question about Pakistan.

Asking if you are from Bangladesh when you have a bangladeshi flag under your name is personal ?

It was a legitimate question.

 

[Tusker]

Indians started their nuclear program before Pakistan. Indians got nukes as a deterrence against China. Obviously that was going to start a chain reaction in the region. It would have been more dangerous if only India had nukes and Pakistan didn't. Then India would probably attempt invasions every couple of decades. At least now there's only skirmishes at the border.

Well this was the case between 1974 - 1998. Indias first nuclear Test was in 1974 ... between then to 1998 there were ZERO invasions.

 

[Tusker]

Given that Bin Laden decided that the safest place in the world for him to live was in the vicinity of an Pakistani Army base...

Hey thats just like how India offers the Dalai Lama a place to live in India ... whats the big difference buddy ? Nothing .... but obviously the Evil world hates only Pakistanis why the hypocrisy !!