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An academic conference in the US addressing Hindu nationalism is being targeted by rightwing Hindu groups, which have sent death threats to participants and forced several scholars to withdraw.

The conference, titled Dismantling Global Hindutva, which is co-sponsored by more than 53 universities including Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Columbia, Berkeley, the University of Chicago, the University of Pennsylvania, and Rutgers, has come under attack after several groups in India and the US accused the event of being “anti-Hindu” .


India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata party (BJP), led by the prime minister, Narendra Modi, has pushed forward a Hindu nationalist agenda, under which India’s 200 million Muslims have faced discrimination and attacks.


More than 1m emails were sent to the presidents, provosts and officials at universities involved in the conference pressuring them to withdraw and dismiss staff who were participating, pointing to an organised campaign by groups in India and the US. At Drew University in New Jersey, more than 30,000 emails were received in just a few minutes, causing the university server to crash.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/09/death-threats-sent-to-participants-of-us-conference-on-hindu-nationalism
 
"More than 1m emails were sent to the presidents, provosts and officials at universities"

Hindutva keyboard army is the GOAT of keyboard armies.

I was pointing this out on the another thread, its not even trolling when SOME Indians behind their keyboards send murder threats. Rape threats are their usual modus operandi.

The Islamic/Muslim history of 'India' will remain forever, time for them to worry about improving their 3rd world nation instead of hating on the past.
 
The greatest victims of Hindutva is India itself. As India is the only major majority Hindu country in the world Hindutva which is hatred of Muslim's will destroy India first and foremost. This is why Pakistanis like me are happy to see Modi the PM of that downtrodden country. Pak should support Hindutva in India.
 
Appears to be the commie brigade vs far right Hindu groups. It's the same fight between Commies in USA vs far right republicans. Here in USA, the threats are with real guns. In India it appears it's with keyboards.

At the end, this won't move a needle in their direction. The Chinese funded commies are a minority everywhere except in China and they can't win. The extreme left is the reason why we have right wing governments in many countries.

What we are seeing is extreme nationalism and protectionism across many countries. It's just another phase after the liberal democracies are crumbling for pandering to the extreme left for way too long. Will be an interesting decade to watch.
 
"More than 1m emails were sent to the presidents, provosts and officials at universities"

Hindutva keyboard army is the GOAT of keyboard armies.

I was pointing this out on the another thread, its not even trolling when SOME Indians behind their keyboards send murder threats. Rape threats are their usual modus operandi.

The Islamic/Muslim history of 'India' will remain forever, time for them to worry about improving their 3rd world nation instead of hating on the past.

The Islamic history of India is a bigger regret for Muslims than Hindus at this point. The regret of not fulfilling the prophesy of Ghazwa-e-Hind despite ruling for 500+ years. That chance is gone forever. There are a billion Hindus now. History books are being rewritten in India so the future generations will consider it a blot than a glorious empire that it was perceived to be. Majority always writes the history and in a few generations the kids will learn what's being written now.
 
The Islamic history of India is a bigger regret for Muslims than Hindus at this point. The regret of not fulfilling the prophesy of Ghazwa-e-Hind despite ruling for 500+ years. That chance is gone forever. There are a billion Hindus now. History books are being rewritten in India so the future generations will consider it a blot than a glorious empire that it was perceived to be. Majority always writes the history and in a few generations the kids will learn what's being written now.

You've been watching too much Bollywood. Muslims dont stay up at night thinking of prophecies fullfiled or not :)))

But since you mentioned it, most feel its fullfilled as Muslims did conquer the most important part of the this land of Hind.

You and others can try to ignore this but RSS/BJP and their extremist followers cannot get over Muslim rule. My advice to them is knock down the Taj Mahal because it's the most recognised structure from India and even if the nutter of the RSS claiming it was a Hindu Temple, everyone knows it was a Muslim who built it. Under Muslim rule, the land was the richest on earth, now its a 3rd world nation still building toilets.
 
Indians say Islamic radicals in Pakistan will first destroy their own country. Similarly, Hindutva terrorists will also destroy India too. Pak however is dealing with it's fundo's much better then India who are in complete denial over it. What too say that even the Indian PM is a RSS Hindu fundo who encourages violence on his own minorities. At least our PM is not a mental patient!
 
The Islamic history of India is a bigger regret for Muslims than Hindus at this point. The regret of not fulfilling the prophesy of Ghazwa-e-Hind despite ruling for 500+ years. That chance is gone forever. There are a billion Hindus now. History books are being rewritten in India so the future generations will consider it a blot than a glorious empire that it was perceived to be. Majority always writes the history and in a few generations the kids will learn what's being written now.

Most of Hindu's are dirt poor living in slums who can't even fight a roti never mind anything else. They would much happier being fed well by foreign invaders then starved by their own people such is the desperation. You were also much more in numbers when the Mughals and Brits ruled you for centuries with iron rods, that is the only language that Hindu's understand. I am afraid your future generations will consider foreigners and Muslim's ruling you as humiliation no matter how your books try to twist it. If majority writes history then minorities would not have ruled you for centuries.
 
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You've been watching too much Bollywood. Muslims dont stay up at night thinking of prophecies fullfiled or not :)))

But since you mentioned it, most feel its fullfilled as Muslims did conquer the most important part of the this land of Hind.

You and others can try to ignore this but RSS/BJP and their extremist followers cannot get over Muslim rule. My advice to them is knock down the Taj Mahal because it's the most recognised structure from India and even if the nutter of the RSS claiming it was a Hindu Temple, everyone knows it was a Muslim who built it. Under Muslim rule, the land was the richest on earth, now its a 3rd world nation still building toilets.

My post was as rubbish as yours. That's the whole point of it. Who has time to think about what happened 300 years ago. It's politics to get votes and that's the extent of it. Most Muslims are wrong then. Unless you hold it, you lose. Just like USA "lost" after ruling Afg after 20 years. They couldn't hold you see. So the prophecy was never fulfilled.

The nation will be built toilet by toilet and brick by brick. Atleast they aren't going back to 7th century. See, that's progress. Taj Mahal will be sucked dry until the last piece stands erected. Make money off it. See, That's progress too.
I know you've been way too inspired by those beggar Talibanis but that's just regressive mindset.
 
Most of Hindu's are dirt poor living in slums who can't even fight a roti never mind anything else. They would much happier being fed well by foreign invaders then starved by their own people such is the desperation. You were also much more in numbers when the Mughals and Brits ruled you for centuries with iron rods, that is the only language that Hindu's understand. I am afraid your future generations will consider foreigners and Muslim's ruling you as humiliation no matter how your books try to twist it. If majority writes history then minorities would not have ruled you for centuries.

The best part is there will be more middle class in India than the population of entire countries in a few decades.They will run the agenda. They already have to a large extent by electing BJP. Perception of the past is being changed. Perception is reality. Future is free and present can be manipulated. It's the will of the majority and so it will happen. Mughals or others couldn't convert more than a few percent of population. In 500 years, that's a flop. In a few decades, Indian Muslims will start abusing Mughals. They have no choice.
 
The best part is there will be more middle class in India than the population of entire countries in a few decades.They will run the agenda. They already have to a large extent by electing BJP. Perception of the past is being changed. Perception is reality. Future is free and present can be manipulated. It's the will of the majority and so it will happen. Mughals or others couldn't convert more than a few percent of population. In 500 years, that's a flop. In a few decades, Indian Muslims will start abusing Mughals. They have no choice.

We'll talk about a few decades when it arrives if we are still here. Future is Islam where as perception is not reality but facts are. India can not get over centuries of humiliation of being ruled by foreigners hence the anger on BJP-RSS supported news channels. No it will not happen because as I say the majority Hindu's are dirt poor fighting for every roti moreover "history always repeats itself" and will do so in India again. You have only been free for 74 years not 700.

Mughal's had no interest in converting anyone at all otherwise many of them would not have taken Hindu wives. They wanted to rule India endlessly that they did very well making Hindu's cook dinner for them and sing songs sitting by their feet. Yeah Indian Muslim's abuse Mughal's when they are bullied by Hindu's however as I say being of the poorest countries in the world they have many more things to worry about.

I Can understand Hindu anger after getting their noses rubbed on the ground for centuries by foreign invaders. As I say we will talk about a few centuries when and if they arrive. For not lets stick to your painful facts. Hindu's are the poorest religious community in the world.

Hindu's can bully their own Muslim's but never us Pakistanis! Most downtrodden Hindu's would welcome another foreign invasion.
 
Most of Hindu's are dirt poor living in slums who can't even fight a roti never mind anything else. They would much happier being fed well by foreign invaders then starved by their own people such is the desperation. You were also much more in numbers when the Mughals and Brits ruled you for centuries with iron rods, that is the only language that Hindu's understand. I am afraid your future generations will consider foreigners and Muslim's ruling you as humiliation no matter how your books try to twist it. If majority writes history then minorities would not have ruled you for centuries.

Since most Hindus are dirt poor, they won't have access to mails or smartphone. On the context of this thread, including the fact that is stated by you, it seems that those mails will probably be coming from a small group with agenda rather than driven by anything else. Which makes the issue miniscule since it's not a wide spread phenomenon rather its just a few people sending out bulk mails.
 
We'll talk about a few decades when it arrives if we are still here. Future is Islam where as perception is not reality but facts are. India can not get over centuries of humiliation of being ruled by foreigners hence the anger on BJP-RSS supported news channels. No it will not happen because as I say the majority Hindu's are dirt poor fighting for every roti moreover "history always repeats itself" and will do so in India again. You have only been free for 74 years not 700.

Mughal's had no interest in converting anyone at all otherwise many of them would not have taken Hindu wives. They wanted to rule India endlessly that they did very well making Hindu's cook dinner for them and sing songs sitting by their feet. Yeah Indian Muslim's abuse Mughal's when they are bullied by Hindu's however as I say being of the poorest countries in the world they have many more things to worry about.

I Can understand Hindu anger after getting their noses rubbed on the ground for centuries by foreign invaders. As I say we will talk about a few centuries when and if they arrive. For not lets stick to your painful facts. Hindu's are the poorest religious community in the world.

Hindu's can bully their own Muslim's but never us Pakistanis! Most downtrodden Hindu's would welcome another foreign invasion.

Islam's future is secure and so is Hinduism's. Issue is not about the religion itself but the stigma associated with the past. Mughals are irrelevant. The number of Muslims scared of Modi are high in number than the Hindus feeling humiliated by Moghuls. That's the reality. Hindus give importance to education unlike many Muslims around the world. This is precisely why Muslims couldn't prosper after Moghul rule. They just became irrelevant as Hindus occupied all the important positions in government and in education sector.

By the looks of it, that's not changing much. Just look around the Muslim world. It's always the same rhetoric. Whole countries are being dragged into medieval ages and many are just unemployable. It's the Muslim countries that are actually begging for aid and support while India is growing. Thats the current scenario. As far as past goes, it will just be rewritten and those who reminisce too much do that because they don't have anything to show in the present.
 
Since most Hindus are dirt poor, they won't have access to mails or smartphone. On the context of this thread, including the fact that is stated by you, it seems that those mails will probably be coming from a small group with agenda rather than driven by anything else. Which makes the issue miniscule since it's not a wide spread phenomenon rather its just a few people sending out bulk mails.

Dirt poor Hindu's see mobile phone as a priority. They would rather starve to death as long as a mobile phone is owned by them. Another thing is we know how beggars in India are fraudsters sending their kids outside to beg under the pretext of being injured India also being the land of shop lifters can easily steal someone's phone.

No it is not a miniscule problem at all when Hindu terrorists form the government of India. Even the Indian PM is a terrorist who feels joy in slaughtering his own minority communities.
 
A very disturbing video doing rounds of Twitter currently about mob lynching and causing death of a defenseless man in some part of India, as a hate crime. Too graphic to post here.
 
Islam's future is secure and so is Hinduism's. Issue is not about the religion itself but the stigma associated with the past. Mughals are irrelevant. The number of Muslims scared of Modi are high in number than the Hindus feeling humiliated by Moghuls. That's the reality. Hindus give importance to education unlike many Muslims around the world. This is precisely why Muslims couldn't prosper after Moghul rule. They just became irrelevant as Hindus occupied all the important positions in government and in education sector.

By the looks of it, that's not changing much. Just look around the Muslim world. It's always the same rhetoric. Whole countries are being dragged into medieval ages and many are just unemployable. It's the Muslim countries that are actually begging for aid and support while India is growing. Thats the current scenario. As far as past goes, it will just be rewritten and those who reminisce too much do that because they don't have anything to show in the present.

If Mughal's were irrelevant Hindutva brigade would still not be hurting so badly changing names of city after city. Of course Hindu fundo's feel humiliated by a minority who ruled them for centuries. It is plain logic for the smaller community to be afraid of the larger one like your Muslim's fear the Hindu terrorists today. In all of this it is your India that suffers. Importance to education means nothing when hundreds of millions of mostly Hindu's live in sub human conditions. Certainly, being the majority community after independence Hindu's took over important positions, that is only natural.

I am not blaming Hindu's for the mess that are Muslim countries neither is this the topic here nevertheless since you mentioned it Hindu's are still the poorest religious community in the world. You are not gonna be a superpower, going to space or rubbish like that when you can't even defeat little Pakistan. India is growing in corruption, rape, poverty, no toilets and such things, Hindu's still go to the Middle East to beg for jobs or seek asylum in the west despite the many problems Muslim countries have most are still much better then the dump that is India. Have you any idea how much aid India receives from foreign countries? India was always top of the begging list when I did voluntary work with Muslim Aid years back.

The past is fact that can never be undone by ink where as the future is unknown! When Indian people have no where to go they start telling the world what they will become in 500 years! It is a hurtful fact that Indian people will always be reminded how for centuries they were ruled by the Moghuls followed by the British. What you have to show at the moment is Hindutva terrorism, a terrorist MP, massive poverty and China kicking your behind to name a few things.
 
If Mughal's were irrelevant Hindutva brigade would still not be hurting so badly changing names of city after city. Of course Hindu fundo's feel humiliated by a minority who ruled them for centuries. It is plain logic for the smaller community to be afraid of the larger one like your Muslim's fear the Hindu terrorists today. In all of this it is your India that suffers. Importance to education means nothing when hundreds of millions of mostly Hindu's live in sub human conditions. Certainly, being the majority community after independence Hindu's took over important positions, that is only natural.

I am not blaming Hindu's for the mess that are Muslim countries neither is this the topic here nevertheless since you mentioned it Hindu's are still the poorest religious community in the world. You are not gonna be a superpower, going to space or rubbish like that when you can't even defeat little Pakistan. India is growing in corruption, rape, poverty, no toilets and such things, Hindu's still go to the Middle East to beg for jobs or seek asylum in the west despite the many problems Muslim countries have most are still much better then the dump that is India. Have you any idea how much aid India receives from foreign countries? India was always top of the begging list when I did voluntary work with Muslim Aid years back.

The past is fact that can never be undone by ink where as the future is unknown! When Indian people have no where to go they start telling the world what they will become in 500 years! It is a hurtful fact that Indian people will always be reminded how for centuries they were ruled by the Moghuls followed by the British. What you have to show at the moment is Hindutva terrorism, a terrorist MP, massive poverty and China kicking your behind to name a few things.

You seem to be living in the 14th century compared to your brothers in 7th century. Let's get you back to this century so you can keep up. In this century India defeated Pakistan in a few wars the latest being Kargil. Many Muslim nations have been decimated by the USA in just the last 2 decades. A tiny country Israel shakes the boots of an entire Arab world. I can go on and on about the mental harassment and identity crisis Muslims are facing in the present. I don't see Muslims with the false bravado that you show. Instead I see victimhood and fear. People that are scared for their own existence in Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Rohingyas etc to the point that they see victory of a barbaric horde as their own victory. That's the plight of Muslims worldwide. There is open discrimination against Muslims in every country. Western countries are banning your women's traditional clothes. I see gulf countries trying to reduce their dependence on oil at a breath neck pace as the gig is going to be up soon. And by the way we all just saw the latest Moghuls in Afg. They were swinging on the planes and playing go carts with a begging bowl.

So, no. One community is going towards progress and the other not so much. Indians will work in the gulf, US, UK. Heck I even saw Indians in Iceland when I went on a vacation a couple of years ago. They know how to make money. They know how to progress. For people like you, the only solace is that the mughals once ruled India while the world has already moved past you in the current. This was precisely my main point. Muslims have more regrets about Moghul dynasty than the Hindus. Because it was an opportunity lost and now the stories of their heroes are being rewritten. What's left?
 
You seem to be living in the 14th century compared to your brothers in 7th century. Let's get you back to this century so you can keep up. In this century India defeated Pakistan in a few wars the latest being Kargil. Many Muslim nations have been decimated by the USA in just the last 2 decades. A tiny country Israel shakes the boots of an entire Arab world. I can go on and on about the mental harassment and identity crisis Muslims are facing in the present. I don't see Muslims with the false bravado that you show. Instead I see victimhood and fear. People that are scared for their own existence in Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Rohingyas etc to the point that they see victory of a barbaric horde as their own victory. That's the plight of Muslims worldwide. There is open discrimination against Muslims in every country. Western countries are banning your women's traditional clothes. I see gulf countries trying to reduce their dependence on oil at a breath neck pace as the gig is going to be up soon. And by the way we all just saw the latest Moghuls in Afg. They were swinging on the planes and playing go carts with a begging bowl.

So, no. One community is going towards progress and the other not so much. Indians will work in the gulf, US, UK. Heck I even saw Indians in Iceland when I went on a vacation a couple of years ago. They know how to make money. They know how to progress. For people like you, the only solace is that the mughals once ruled India while the world has already moved past you in the current. This was precisely my main point. Muslims have more regrets about Moghul dynasty than the Hindus. Because it was an opportunity lost and now the stories of their heroes are being rewritten. What's left?

I am living in the current times however my comments are obviously reminding you off your past thereby understandably hurting your ego. This thread has nothing to do with Kargil however since you have touched on it we owned you in Kargil even your own generals say it. You needed Israel to come to your aid.

Once again this thread has nothing to do with Muslim countries. Your India was thrashed by China, Pak and ruled by foreigners for up to one thousand years. Your forefathers were slaves of the Muslim's for centuries loving every minute off it. Now let me tell you that I have no love for Arab's at all, they deserve what is happening to them for all the corruption they have done. Once again I suggest you remember this thread is about Hindutva not the Arab's or Indo-Pak wars. You do see bravado from Pakistan, remember Abhinandan? All I see from you Hindu's is envy of the west and trying to imitate at everything they do. Even still you are still a land of massive poverty and corruption and the poorest religious community on earth

For the Muslim's who are suffering I blame their governments for being weak and defenceless. Had they built powerful armies no one dare just invade them whenever they wanted. They should have learnt from Pak, Iran and Turkey who can defend themselves but they didn't. I have never believed in this "Ummah" thing at all had you read my previous mail's would know that. Yes we are having a hard time due to world Zionism however these these were foretold by our Prophet, nations do go through such periods in history. This is also because Muslim's and Islam are the only challenge to western dominance, and culture the Hindu's are no challenge to the west and never were so they don't worry about you lot. You Hindu's sold your own culture decades back in trying to ape the west. Just look at your pathetic copywood cinema that smacks of an inferiority complex. Have a look at your own pathetic condition where you top the list of everything negative. Most number of rapes, ill people, slums and prostitutes are all in India.

You work in progressive countries to get away from your hellhole! You work there because you are high in numbers and many are doing labour jobs in Arab countries who you tell me are so much worse tehn your own. Despite that you still go there begging the Sheikh to give you a job! You need to understand that with a population of over a billion people there will be some success stories, these people run abroad because their own Hindu India is a complete disaster. No my comfort is the many Muslims and Pakistanis doing so well in the world too. That Pak is a nuke power...that our Music and Drama's are brilliant and original weher we show our own culture not like Indian's full of plagiarism. Like having ruled Squash and Hockey for years I could go on and on.

Indian Muslim's may have regrets about the Mughal's but Pakistanis certainly do not. They may have displayed much cruelty on Hindu's even Sikh's yet greatly enhanced your culture too.
 
Dirt poor Hindu's see mobile phone as a priority. They would rather starve to death as long as a mobile phone is owned by them. Another thing is we know how beggars in India are fraudsters sending their kids outside to beg under the pretext of being injured India also being the land of shop lifters can easily steal someone's phone.

No it is not a miniscule problem at all when Hindu terrorists form the government of India. Even the Indian PM is a terrorist who feels joy in slaughtering his own minority communities.

It doesn't make any sense. How come foods get less priority than mobile. Your imagination may tell otherwise but for any human being there are three basic requirements, foods, shelter, clothes. Rest comes after fulfillment of above three.

I just applied your logic but scenario differs from what you are portraying. It simply means, your conclusion is fantasy rather than reality.

Your second para has no relevance to the content I wrote.
 
Now I don't want to give a long list of successful Pakistani business people, actor's and what not working in the west and other countries. People can do their own research. One Amir Khan the boxer comes to mind immediately. Thing is that Indian people hate to be shown the mirror and their past. This is what really gets under the skin or terrorists like Adityanath and all those with painted foreheads! Poor man is trying so hard to undo India's past, he has a heart attack every time he see's a Muslim on the streets of dirty Delhi. I don't see any other reason why RSS thugs hate their own Muslim's so much other then how it reminds them of their own history:shhh
 
It doesn't make any sense. How come foods get less priority than mobile. Your imagination may tell otherwise but for any human being there are three basic requirements, foods, shelter, clothes. Rest comes after fulfillment of above three.

I just applied your logic but scenario differs from what you are portraying. It simply means, your conclusion is fantasy rather than reality.

Your second para has no relevance to the content I wrote.

It is the Indian mindset that too many mobiles and technology come first to many. This is also the case for many in Pak as well had you ever visited the slums in third world countries would know this. You obviously know very little of the world you live in.
 
The thing is that Indian media is dominated by RSS stooges. Any fair minded journalist who challenges them is threatened or even murdered, there are still many justice loving journalists and human rights observers bashing saffron terrorists in India. Remember, India is also the champion of fake news being repeatedly exposed l, they show fake video games as Pak jets fighting in Afghanistan:14:. Even proper Indian journalists are now asking their own RSS backed journalists like Goswami for how long will you continue humiliating us?

We have to make the connection here which is like Indian media lies on everything they do so on Hindutva terrorism too. They feel they are hurting Pakistan by beating up their own Muslim's! These saffron idiots don't realise they are only creating religious tension country in their own country. Pakistanis would love to see a religious war in India!
 
Appears to be the commie brigade vs far right Hindu groups. It's the same fight between Commies in USA vs far right republicans. Here in USA, the threats are with real guns. In India it appears it's with keyboards.

At the end, this won't move a needle in their direction. The Chinese funded commies are a minority everywhere except in China and they can't win. The extreme left is the reason why we have right wing governments in many countries.

What we are seeing is extreme nationalism and protectionism across many countries. It's just another phase after the liberal democracies are crumbling for pandering to the extreme left for way too long. Will be an interesting decade to watch.

Do you think India has padnered to the extreme left? I mean there is no welfare state or socialist policies to note. India seems to have historically been centrist or centre right.

Left wing just seems to be a label thrown around nowadays.
 
Spain was ruled by muslims for 500 years. The muslim rule ended and within a couple of centuries the entire muslim history was consigned to flames and is looked at as a blot in Spanish history.

In India, Nehru decided that he needs to make the Brits the only villains. His leftist ideology mixed with his hatred for hindu leaders like Bose Patel Savarkar etc meant he kept the hindu history as a side note.

He appointed a maulana as the first education minister and out of the first 5 education ministers, 4 were muslims, including one who was earlier a member of muslim league.

Whatever little was left was fulfilled by Nurul Hasan as minister.

BJP is now in power and will be a major power in India even if they are not the ruling party. The glorification of invaders will be stopped or is being stopped. The real history of their carnage is now being taught to the children. The next generation will be talking about these invaders the same way they talk about brit colonials.
 
Spain was ruled by muslims for 500 years. The muslim rule ended and within a couple of centuries the entire muslim history was consigned to flames and is looked at as a blot in Spanish history.

In India, Nehru decided that he needs to make the Brits the only villains. His leftist ideology mixed with his hatred for hindu leaders like Bose Patel Savarkar etc meant he kept the hindu history as a side note.

He appointed a maulana as the first education minister and out of the first 5 education ministers, 4 were muslims, including one who was earlier a member of muslim league.

Whatever little was left was fulfilled by Nurul Hasan as minister.

BJP is now in power and will be a major power in India even if they are not the ruling party. The glorification of invaders will be stopped or is being stopped. The real history of their carnage is now being taught to the children. The next generation will be talking about these invaders the same way they talk about brit colonials.

Where were their ancestors hiding? The horse has bolted lad.

Btw Muslims ruled Spain for 800, they werent invaders and much of their history is not only present in Spain but has been taken on into European culture. Please read proper history books , not RSS comics.
 
Where were their ancestors hiding? The horse has bolted lad.

Btw Muslims ruled Spain for 800, they werent invaders and much of their history is not only present in Spain but has been taken on into European culture. Please read proper history books , not RSS comics.

Muslims were invaders as they captured hispania under the ummayad caliphate.

Lol. Spain ended the muslim rule. Converted mosques into churches and even converted muslims into christians.

Spanish monarchy banned islam in spain. Moriscos were expelled from spain.

Thats how spain obliterated islamic history.
 
Muslims were invaders as they captured hispania under the ummayad caliphate.

Lol. Spain ended the muslim rule. Converted mosques into churches and even converted muslims into christians.

Spanish monarchy banned islam in spain. Moriscos were expelled from spain.

Thats how spain obliterated islamic history.

Please take my advice first and read proper history.

Muslims were invited into Southern Spain who were at war with the North. After helping them to defeat the northerns, they were offered to remain. I have been to Spain, visited most of the country inc Alhambra , which to this day shows the glory of the Muslims of Spain. You've never probably left Calcutta but do visit. Dont take my word for it, ask the guides there and they will confirm what I have just wrote.


Im not here to educate you on this.

But please educate me as to why the Hindu extremsits are not angry at their ancestors who allowed Muslims to rule for so long? All i can see is RSS in shorts and school shirts holding sticks, they dont look like warriors at all.
 
Spain was ruled by muslims for 500 years. The muslim rule ended and within a couple of centuries the entire muslim history was consigned to flames and is looked at as a blot in Spanish history.

maybe because the Spanish forces defeated all the muslim settlers on the peninsula rather than wait till a foreign powers occupation led to their partial removal is pbly why they are far less insecure about having to places with overtly arabic names such as andalucia, Guadalajara, toledo, alhambra, madrid, etc.

hardly consigning that history to the flames, in fact they acknowledge that history, in their place names, cultures, building styles, music, etc precisely because it ended with their absolute victory.
 
Those who understand Spanish culture would realise how much it is influenced by Islam. I realise it is an eyesore for certain communities due to their jealousy and hatred of everything Islam and Muslim. As for why Hindu's could not get rid of their Muslim masters one General Bakshi answered very well referring too his forefathers as being cowards.

You can visit Spain even today to see how some parts of the country are still very Muslim in culture. This is why they say "travelling broadens the mind" much more then browsing false stories online.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/21/middleeast/spain-islam-andalucia-influence/index.html and https://www.verislam.com/
 
Those who understand Spanish culture would realise how much it is influenced by Islam. I realise it is an eyesore for certain communities due to their jealousy and hatred of everything Islam and Muslim. As for why Hindu's could not get rid of their Muslim masters one General Bakshi answered very well referring too his forefathers as being cowards.

You can visit Spain even today to see how some parts of the country are still very Muslim in culture. This is why they say "travelling broadens the mind" much more then browsing false stories online.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/21/middleeast/spain-islam-andalucia-influence/index.html and https://www.verislam.com/

Thanks for sharing. Indeed many western scholars consider the Islamic rule in Spain as a Golden Age. Even jewish historians consider Muslim rule in Spain as a golden age.
 
It is the Indian mindset that too many mobiles and technology come first to many. This is also the case for many in Pak as well had you ever visited the slums in third world countries would know this. You obviously know very little of the world you live in.

So poor people in India and Pakistan have messed up priorities and doesn't follow the basic human instincts due to their materialistic nature?

My friend, you may have born with a silver spoon in your mouth and your parents have provided with everything that you have ever wished for but that doesn't entitle you to insult the poor section be it Indian or Pakistani or someone else. Poor people have their dignity, their struggle too and if you can't respect that, atleast not insult it.
 
So poor people in India and Pakistan have messed up priorities and doesn't follow the basic human instincts due to their materialistic nature?

My friend, you may have born with a silver spoon in your mouth and your parents have provided with everything that you have ever wished for but that doesn't entitle you to insult the poor section be it Indian or Pakistani or someone else. Poor people have their dignity, their struggle too and if you can't respect that, atleast not insult it.

That is right poor people of the subcontinent often give priority to the wrong things. It is often bad money management as well leading to their appalling state.

I am a working man and have been for a long time. In India you will see that poor people are addicted to alcohol known as "daru", the men want that much more then food. It is the poor lady of the family who suffers at the expense of a drunkard husband. Nothing insulting by telling the poor to prioritise things in the right order.
 
That is right poor people of the subcontinent often give priority to the wrong things. It is often bad money management as well leading to their appalling state.

I am a working man and have been for a long time. In India you will see that poor people are addicted to alcohol known as "daru", the men want that much more then food. It is the poor lady of the family who suffers at the expense of a drunkard husband. Nothing insulting by telling the poor to prioritise things in the right order.

I've no words to say. The righteous entitlement attitude and insulting others that have given to you by materialistic possession based upon which you've formed the standard to judge people..... I must say congratulations.

I don't judge people the way you judge. I don't insult people based upon how much money they have. But then again, we all are different. You and I come from a different strata of society and obviously outlook towards life is very different.
 
Topic here is Hindutva. Why do Hindutva thugs hate Islam and Muslim's so much? Firstly they are still upset as to why hundreds of millions of their people from centuries back left Hinduism for Islam. They are also furious about being ruled by Muslim's for centuries as much as they deny it.

You see other then since India's independence Hindu's have never had much power. They have always been dominated by the Muslim's and Christians throughout their history even in their own land. Hindu's are like the best man at a wedding but never the groom. They are like the servants who give out the dinner but never the guests.

Allama Iqbal said Hindu's will always be on the side of the most powerful community in the world be it the Muslim's, Christians or even Jews. Centuries back they were wiping the boots of the Mughal's then making tea for the British Christians. Today they are on about how great America is and doing deals with the Jews of Israel.

The pattern here is so very obvious that historically having been nothing themselves the Hindutva thugs need to feel powerful by siding with the most powerful community of that period. They even try to glorify the Sikh's as a means to pacify them so they don't demand independence. This is another hidden fear in the heart of the Hindu's.

Then off course they see Pakistan as being formed on what they consider as being Hindu land.
 
I've no words to say. The righteous entitlement attitude and insulting others that have given to you by materialistic possession based upon which you've formed the standard to judge people..... I must say congratulations.

I don't judge people the way you judge. I don't insult people based upon how much money they have. But then again, we all are different. You and I come from a different strata of society and obviously outlook towards life is very different.

You are not smart enough to see what is happening in poor communities. There are many poor people who are hooked on drugs and alcohol and even drugs leading to their downfall. This can also be said of how once working people making good money ended up on the streets. Always blaming fate for your condition is the easy way out.

If this is insult to you then that is too bad! Where did I say poor people are sub human? I am saying they are often responsible for their own suffering. Why don't you ban alcohol in India so they can't buy it if you care so much about them?

Better not to say any more word's as you admit so yourself.
 
Not Hinduism but Hindutva sure is about beating a Sikh or a Muslim: Rahul Gandhi

New Delhi: Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Friday launched a blistering attack on the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its ideological mentor Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), and questioned the kind of Hinduism they were propagating.

He also admitted that Congress' ideology has been overshadowed by the "hateful" ideology of BJP and RSS.

While speaking at the launch of Congress' digital campaign 'Jan Jagran Abhiyan' via video conferencing, Rahul Gandhi said, "Today, whether we like it or not, the hateful ideology of RSS and BJP has overshadowed the loving, affectionate and nationalistic ideology of Congress Party, we have to accept this."

Congress' ideology is alive, vibrant but it has been overshadowed, he iterated.

The former Congress chief claimed, "Our ideology has been overshadowed because we have not propagated it among our own people aggressively."

Further training guns at the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, the Congress MP questioned, "What is the difference between Hinduism and Hindutva, can they be the same thing? If they are the same thing, why don't they have the same name?"

"They are obviously different things. Is Hinduism about beating a Sikh or a Muslim? Hindutva of course is," he added.

Rahul Gandhi's comments have come on the heels of the controversy stoked by senior Congress leader Salman who compared a "robust version" of Hindutva to the jihadist Islam of terror groups such as the ISIS and Boko Haram, in his book prompting the BJP to accuse the Congress of weaving a "web like a spider against Hindus".

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...rahul-gandhi-attacks-rss-bjps-ideology/831330
 
Rahul Gandhi is the best politician since time immemorial with only 1 very minor flaw.
The square root of his credibility is inversely proportional to the number of vowels he utters.
If he doesnt utter a single vowel, his credibility remains a constant, say kappa at a value of 0.000001
 
He is on the money here.

Obviously, a childish response is expected from hindutva to divert from the main point of this thread.

Que in for:

Forex
FDI
Billions of USD
Quad
Pakistan
Pak Army
China
Pak F16
Bajwa leg shaking
NS is the best thing ever happened to Pakistan - I guess he held Modi's hand in Lahore to walk back to NS's Palace.
He is a pappu
Appeasement of minority

Please add to the list if I am missing any other divergent point :)
 
Don't like him and always thought he could be a stand-up comedian but he didn't say anything wrong here. :inti
 

US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken flags ‘concerning increase’ in anti-conversion laws, hate speech in India​


The latest edition of the United States’ annual report on international religious freedom has raised concerns over the anti-conversion laws, hate speech, and demolitions of homes and places of worship belonging to minorities in India.

Releasing the 2023 Report on International Religious Freedom on Wednesday, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said, “Today, governments around the world continue to target individuals, shutter places of worship, forcibly displace communities, and imprison people because of their religious beliefs.”

Talking about India, he added, “In India, we see a concerning increase in anti-conversion laws, hate speech, demolitions of homes and places of worship for members of minority faith communities.” He said that even in the US, reports of hate crimes and other incidents targeting Muslims and Jews have gone up dramatically.

The annual publication put out by the US State Department tracks threats to religious freedom in almost 200 countries. Blasphemy laws in Pakistan help foster a climate of intolerance and hatred that can lead to vigilantes and mob violence, it said. It also mentioned how several European nations have laws that effectively ban some forms of religious clothing in public spaces.

While releasing the report, Rashad Hussain, Ambassador at Large, Office of International Religious Freedom, at the US State Department, said that it also documents cases where violence is occurring at the societal level, sometimes with impunity, and it also contributes to the repression of religious communities. “In India, for example, Christian communities reported that local police aided mobs that disrupted worship services over accusations of conversion activities or stood by while mobs attacked them and then arrested the victims on conversion charges,” he said.

The annual report, which is submitted to the US Congress, describes the status of religious freedom, government policies violating religious beliefs and practices, and US policies promoting religious freedom in nearly every country and territory across the world.

The US embassies prepare the initial drafts of country chapters based on information from government officials, religious groups, nongovernmental organisations, journalists, human rights monitors and academics.

The section on India also mentions how 10 of the 28 Indian states have laws restricting religious conversions for all faiths. Some of these states also impose penalties specifically against forced religious conversions for the purpose of marriage, it added.

Christians and Muslims were arrested under laws banning forced religious conversions, which in some cases were used to harass and imprison members of religious minority groups on false and fabricated charges or for lawful religious practices, the report said.

It also made references to the Narendra Modi government’s intention to enact a Uniform Civil Code. “Muslim, Sikh, Christian, and tribal leaders and some state government officials opposed the initiative on the grounds it was part of a project to turn the country into a Hindu Rashtra”, while its proponents said a UCC would promote greater equality, including for women, the report said.

It said that in 2023, senior US officials continued to raise concerns about religious freedom issues with their Indian counterparts. “During his visit in April, the Secretary of State also discussed developments in religious freedom with women leaders,” the report says.
The section on India also mentions how 10 of the 28 Indian states have laws restricting religious conversions for all faiths. Some of these states also impose penalties specifically against forced religious conversions for the purpose of marriage, it added.

Christians and Muslims were arrested under laws banning forced religious conversions, which in some cases were used to harass and imprison members of religious minority groups on false and fabricated charges or for lawful religious practices, the report said.

It also made references to the Narendra Modi government’s intention to enact a Uniform Civil Code. “Muslim, Sikh, Christian, and tribal leaders and some state government officials opposed the initiative on the grounds it was part of a project to turn the country into a Hindu Rashtra”, while its proponents said a UCC would promote greater equality, including for women, the report said.

It said that in 2023, senior US officials continued to raise concerns about religious freedom issues with their Indian counterparts. “During his visit in April, the Secretary of State also discussed developments in religious freedom with women leaders,” the report says.

The annual report also makes note of steps countries might be taking to “defend and promote religious freedom”. It made a special mention of Saudi Arabia in this regard, which “continues to remove exclusionary and hateful language against religious minorities from its public school textbooks, introducing new editions that promote peace and tolerance”.

 

US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken flags ‘concerning increase’ in anti-conversion laws, hate speech in India​


The latest edition of the United States’ annual report on international religious freedom has raised concerns over the anti-conversion laws, hate speech, and demolitions of homes and places of worship belonging to minorities in India.

Releasing the 2023 Report on International Religious Freedom on Wednesday, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said, “Today, governments around the world continue to target individuals, shutter places of worship, forcibly displace communities, and imprison people because of their religious beliefs.”

Talking about India, he added, “In India, we see a concerning increase in anti-conversion laws, hate speech, demolitions of homes and places of worship for members of minority faith communities.” He said that even in the US, reports of hate crimes and other incidents targeting Muslims and Jews have gone up dramatically.

The annual publication put out by the US State Department tracks threats to religious freedom in almost 200 countries. Blasphemy laws in Pakistan help foster a climate of intolerance and hatred that can lead to vigilantes and mob violence, it said. It also mentioned how several European nations have laws that effectively ban some forms of religious clothing in public spaces.

While releasing the report, Rashad Hussain, Ambassador at Large, Office of International Religious Freedom, at the US State Department, said that it also documents cases where violence is occurring at the societal level, sometimes with impunity, and it also contributes to the repression of religious communities. “In India, for example, Christian communities reported that local police aided mobs that disrupted worship services over accusations of conversion activities or stood by while mobs attacked them and then arrested the victims on conversion charges,” he said.

The annual report, which is submitted to the US Congress, describes the status of religious freedom, government policies violating religious beliefs and practices, and US policies promoting religious freedom in nearly every country and territory across the world.

The US embassies prepare the initial drafts of country chapters based on information from government officials, religious groups, nongovernmental organisations, journalists, human rights monitors and academics.

The section on India also mentions how 10 of the 28 Indian states have laws restricting religious conversions for all faiths. Some of these states also impose penalties specifically against forced religious conversions for the purpose of marriage, it added.

Christians and Muslims were arrested under laws banning forced religious conversions, which in some cases were used to harass and imprison members of religious minority groups on false and fabricated charges or for lawful religious practices, the report said.

It also made references to the Narendra Modi government’s intention to enact a Uniform Civil Code. “Muslim, Sikh, Christian, and tribal leaders and some state government officials opposed the initiative on the grounds it was part of a project to turn the country into a Hindu Rashtra”, while its proponents said a UCC would promote greater equality, including for women, the report said.

It said that in 2023, senior US officials continued to raise concerns about religious freedom issues with their Indian counterparts. “During his visit in April, the Secretary of State also discussed developments in religious freedom with women leaders,” the report says.
The section on India also mentions how 10 of the 28 Indian states have laws restricting religious conversions for all faiths. Some of these states also impose penalties specifically against forced religious conversions for the purpose of marriage, it added.

Christians and Muslims were arrested under laws banning forced religious conversions, which in some cases were used to harass and imprison members of religious minority groups on false and fabricated charges or for lawful religious practices, the report said.

It also made references to the Narendra Modi government’s intention to enact a Uniform Civil Code. “Muslim, Sikh, Christian, and tribal leaders and some state government officials opposed the initiative on the grounds it was part of a project to turn the country into a Hindu Rashtra”, while its proponents said a UCC would promote greater equality, including for women, the report said.

It said that in 2023, senior US officials continued to raise concerns about religious freedom issues with their Indian counterparts. “During his visit in April, the Secretary of State also discussed developments in religious freedom with women leaders,” the report says.

The annual report also makes note of steps countries might be taking to “defend and promote religious freedom”. It made a special mention of Saudi Arabia in this regard, which “continues to remove exclusionary and hateful language against religious minorities from its public school textbooks, introducing new editions that promote peace and tolerance”.

India dismisses US religious freedom report as 'biased and misrepresentative'​


The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) has strongly rebuffed the US State Department's 2023 report on international religious freedom, describing it "deeply biased" and lacking in true understanding of India's social dynamics.

The report mentioned that there was a "concerning increase" in hate speech, anti-conversion laws, demolition of homes and places of worship for people belonging to minority groups in India.

In response to the report, MEA Spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said, "We have noted the release by the US State Department of its report on international religious freedom for 2023. As in the past, the report is deeply biased, lacks an understanding of India's social fabric, and is visibly driven by votebank considerations and a prescriptive outlook. We therefore reject it."

The MEA criticised the report as being a "mix of imputations, misrepresentations, selective usage of facts, reliance on biased sources, and a one-sided projection of issues."

It further said that the report misrepresents India's constitutional provisions and laws, selectively highlights incidents to promote a preconceived narrative, and questions the legitimacy of India's legal and legislative process.

"The report has also targeted regulations that monitor the misuse of financial flows into India, suggesting that the burden of compliance is unreasonable," the MEA spokesperson noted, adding that the US itself has stricter laws and regulations and would not tolerate similar external prescriptions.

Randhir Jaiswal also emphasised that human rights and respect for diversity are legitimate subjects of discussion between India and the United States. He highlighted India's ongoing efforts to address issues of hate crimes, racial attacks on Indian nationals and other minorities in the US, as well as vandalism and targeting of places of worship. However, he warned against using such dialogue as a pretext for foreign interference in internal affairs.

"In 2023, India has officially taken up numerous cases in the US of hate crimes, racial attacks on Indian nationals and other minorities, vandalisation and targeting of places of worship, violence and mistreatment by law enforcement authorities, as well as according political space to advocates of extremism and terrorism abroad," Jaiswal said.

"However, such dialogue should not become a license for foreign interference in other polities," the MEA spokesperson said.

 

India dismisses US religious freedom report as 'biased and misrepresentative'​


The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) has strongly rebuffed the US State Department's 2023 report on international religious freedom, describing it "deeply biased" and lacking in true understanding of India's social dynamics.

The report mentioned that there was a "concerning increase" in hate speech, anti-conversion laws, demolition of homes and places of worship for people belonging to minority groups in India.

In response to the report, MEA Spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said, "We have noted the release by the US State Department of its report on international religious freedom for 2023. As in the past, the report is deeply biased, lacks an understanding of India's social fabric, and is visibly driven by votebank considerations and a prescriptive outlook. We therefore reject it."

The MEA criticised the report as being a "mix of imputations, misrepresentations, selective usage of facts, reliance on biased sources, and a one-sided projection of issues."

It further said that the report misrepresents India's constitutional provisions and laws, selectively highlights incidents to promote a preconceived narrative, and questions the legitimacy of India's legal and legislative process.

"The report has also targeted regulations that monitor the misuse of financial flows into India, suggesting that the burden of compliance is unreasonable," the MEA spokesperson noted, adding that the US itself has stricter laws and regulations and would not tolerate similar external prescriptions.

Randhir Jaiswal also emphasised that human rights and respect for diversity are legitimate subjects of discussion between India and the United States. He highlighted India's ongoing efforts to address issues of hate crimes, racial attacks on Indian nationals and other minorities in the US, as well as vandalism and targeting of places of worship. However, he warned against using such dialogue as a pretext for foreign interference in internal affairs.

"In 2023, India has officially taken up numerous cases in the US of hate crimes, racial attacks on Indian nationals and other minorities, vandalisation and targeting of places of worship, violence and mistreatment by law enforcement authorities, as well as according political space to advocates of extremism and terrorism abroad," Jaiswal said.

"However, such dialogue should not become a license for foreign interference in other polities," the MEA spokesperson said.


It's high time Hindutwa extremism gets exposed for what it is.
 
It's high time Hindutwa extremism gets exposed for what it is.
Anti conversion law main kya issue hai bhai?
Also it’s US they are doing very well to keep people talking about different things not related to Palestine.
 
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