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'Democracy has nothing to fear from Pakistan Army': DG ISPR

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he army's media wing, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), held a press conference Saturday evening to elaborate on the recovery of a Canadian-American family from Taliban custody and respond to the government's criticism of the army for its commentary on Pakistan's economic conditions.

Criticism of army's concerns about economy
Responding to Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal's criticism yesterday of the ISPR commenting on matters of the economy towards the end of the press conference, the chief of the ISPR, Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, expressed his disappointment at the reprimand.

"I was disappointed as a soldier and a citizen of Pakistan. We conducted a seminar with the Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry. There were three former finance ministers, one former State Bank governor [in attendance]. The army chief gave a keynote address. I talked about it in my beeper [to a private TV channel] as well," he recounted.

"The Pakistan Army is a state institution and it is very important to sit and talk about things," he explained. "If we need to improve the economy, we will have to bring certain changes and the China Pakistan Economic Corridor needs to be supported [holistically] he said."

"Never did I say that Pakistan's economy has been destroyed or something of that sort," he clarified.

"We have all done a lot of work for the economy. And I have said the same thing: we have to sit together. It is a very simple [request]: that everyone needs to cooperate," he said.

"The army chief told the traders [at the seminar] in informal talk that everyone should play their role [for the country's economic betterment]. He told them to pay their taxes," he said.

"Last year, the taxes recovered were only 39pc, and from private sector the recovery was only 40pc. It is too meagre," he said. "That is all I said — that the tax base needs to be increased — and I stand by it," he concluded.

"When I say something here, I am speaking on behalf of the armed forces. I am not speaking in a personal capacity, as I am the spokesperson of the armed forces," he continued.

"There is no threat to democracy from the Pakistan Army; [but] there could be a threat to democracy if its [democracy's] requirements are not being met," he said.

"I want to add that there needs to be stability. The government needs to continue and an established democratic system needs to continue."

"I have to say this because there are a lot of rumours abut martial law and [the installation of a] technocratic government."

"The nature and character of war has changed because the direct strategy [of waging war] has been replaced by indirect [warfare]. Social media has a huge role in this. Do not forward as received. Research. Don't spread misinformation," he said tangentially.

"When it comes to Pakistan, the security and survival of Pakistan, we all are one," he said. "Every Pakistani and every institution is one against them — the outside forces should know this."

On being asked why the debate was brought to the public sphere, Maj Gen Ghafoor said the army had not started the debate.

"A lot of seminars happen. Who was present in the seminar? Traders and economists," he said. "Karachi's security situation has improved, which is in the interest of traders," he explained as the reason the seminar was held.

"It [the economy discussion] is about [a glass] being half filled and half empty. Should we be satisfied with half filled? Should we not take it further? If our economy is self sustained and better, the national security decision-making will be much independent [from foreign pressures]," he said.

"There was also talk about a financial emergency, but the conclusion was that 'no; the work is going on and it will continue'. This is a positive process that needs to be looked at positively, and we will continue to play our role," he said.

"I don't think the seminar and the conclusions of the seminar are in question," he said.

Recovery of American-Canadian couple
Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor had started off by recalling the new US policy on South Asia and Pakistan's military and civilian response to it.

"Our line was that we have done a lot in Pakistan over the past few years and found great results. There are no more no-go areas in this country," he began.

"In the [diplomatic] engagements [with US officials], we had said that trust would take us forward."

"In this regard," he continued, delving into Pakistan's response to the new policy, "we undertook an operation upon American intelligence [...] it was shared with us," he stated.

"That day at 4.10pm, we were informed by an American diplomat that the family is being transferred to Pakistan. On the information we received, we sent our troops, used surveillance means and detected the vehicles [being used to transport the hostages]."

"We cordoned them and fired on their vehicle. Our first priority was that the captives are brought out safely. We wanted to isolate the terrorists and captives so that the captives may remain safe," he said.

"There was a driver and three armed people," he said. "There was also an Afghan refugee camp nearby," where Maj Gen Ghafoor said the kidnappers had fled to.

"We have been saying repeatedly that the Afghan refugees need to be sent back. It is difficult for us to distinguish who is a terrorist and who is a refugee [in situations like these]," he said.

Returning to engagement with Donald Trump's America, the army's spokesperson said that initiatives had been taken and the US had responded. "You have seen the results, and you also saw Trump's statement [praising Pakistan following the recovery of the abductees]," he said.

"We feel happy that there is a level of trust and confidence that the US leadership has shown in Pakistan and Pakistan's security forces."

"We take it as a good start, and if a trust-based relationship continues, there will be positive results," he added.

To a question about whether the army was pushing for a dialogue with the Taliban, Maj Gen Ghafoor said "the question is outside my domain. Please contact the Foreign Office on talks with the Taliban and their [the Taliban] office in Doha."

"The Afghan war could not have been won without Pakistan," he offered, "but we need to cooperate in ways that are mutually beneficial. Engagement builds trust. You can have apprehensions, which could be debated about. Security cooperation is ongoing and will continue," he added.

Referring to the possibility of a joint operation with American troops on Pakistani soil, raised by Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif, the army spokesman was quick to dismiss any possibility of the same, saying he was doing so on a technical point.

"In military terminology, a joint operation means forces of both countries conduct an operation. There is no question of it. Full stop," he said.


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Another slap on the face of the "moom batti" brigade who were building up the narrative that the big bad army is working to overthrow the system.
 
"Last year, the taxes recovered were only 39pc, and from private sector the recovery was only 40pc. It is too meagre," he said. "That is all I said — that the tax base needs to be increased — and I stand by it," he concluded.
He's right that the tax base should be expanded but what tax reforms were initiated under four different military rulers ?

As for democracy and this civilians vs military debate - let's not forget Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was a protege of Ayub Khan, Nawaz Sharif was groomed under the Zia regime who also were involved with the MQM's rise to power in the 1980s. The civilians take after the authoritarianism of the military rulers that they once served.

The military's political interference over the years has been hugely damaging to centre-province relations, the Constitution and to the building of civilian institutions. The military should be a fighting force and nothing else not a commercial, defence and political entity in one.
 
Nawaz Sharif want sayasi shahadat and don't want to remember as a corrupt politician so he, his family and party are trying too hard to create chaos but Army is playing sensible so far...
 
Always trust the man in uniform. The soldier puts his country first, the politician his chair. Wish Afwaj-e-Hind had more say and overtook the civvie jokers sitting in new delhi.
 
Always trust the man in uniform. The soldier puts his country first, the politician his chair. Wish Afwaj-e-Hind had more say and overtook the civvie jokers sitting in new delhi.

Not one civilian politician can be credited to laying down his/her life or sacrificing for the country. Only one was perhaps Benazir Bhutto. Even her dad was fighting for his chair and personal well-being. Nawaz, Altaf, Zardari and all their stooges have always held their own pockets at higher importance than the nation.

We need a mass culling of all these filthy animals.
 
پٹواریوں نے آخر میں ترلے شروع کر دینے کہ یار تہاڈی مہربانی مارشل لاء لا لو، نکا جیا ہی لا لوو، اچھا مارشل لاء دی صرف دھمکی ہی لا دیو
 
So na-ehl can question Supreme Court... os waqt supremacy of constitution yaad nahi ati, but sitting and serving COAS cannot question state of economy because of "supremacy of constitution"


Mashallah sadqay jaoon mein Nooraon ka
 
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So na-ehl can question Supreme Court... os waqt supremacy of constitution yaad nahi ati, but sitting and serving COAS cannot question state of economy because of "supremacy of constitution"


Mashallah sadqay jaoon mein Nooraon ka

Consitution is a radi ka tukra for these nooras and thn they blame dictators for insulting constitution...
 
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No we don't trust Army on this based on previous record...oh wait....how can we trust PMLN and most curent parties with their previous anti democratic record?

Things have changed and we are moving on from those Army takeover days, it's extremely diffcult now with vibrant media and international community closely watching. I find it almost IMPOSSIBLE that Army will ever take over unless there are EXTREME circumstances.

PMLN is almost pleading Army to take over though, Sharif doesn't like the fact that he has been kicked out for 3rd time on corruption charges. They are attacking Army/judiciary in hope one day they will react and we can play victim/democracy card.
 
Things have changed and we are moving on from those Army takeover days, it's extremely diffcult now with vibrant media and international community closely watching. I find it almost IMPOSSIBLE that Army will ever take over unless there are EXTREME circumstances.

I doubt the media has anything to do with it. If the PA wanted to be the front end of operations in Pakistan (they are always at the controls anyhow), they will just roar up the tanks and take their power. If anything, the media and the people of Pakistan will welcome the move going by past track record.

The trouble then comes with sustained army rule past a few years: they behave like they're speed gaming with cheat codes when in fact there aren't any to be used. Little wonder then, that after the customary 5-7 years they themselves combust and back comes the democracy. Incompetent as the latter are, they are forced to pick up the pieces and sky high debt they didn't vouch for.
 
No we don't trust Army on this based on previous record...oh wait....how can we trust PMLN and most curent parties with their previous anti democratic record?

Things have changed and we are moving on from those Army takeover days, it's extremely diffcult now with vibrant media and international community closely watching. I find it almost IMPOSSIBLE that Army will ever take over unless there are EXTREME circumstances.

PMLN is almost pleading Army to take over though, Sharif doesn't like the fact that he has been kicked out for 3rd time on corruption charges. They are attacking Army/judiciary in hope one day they will react and we can play victim/democracy card.

Yes and yet in Turkey,Army tried and failed and then civilian elected leader became a dictator almost.
 
Yes and yet in Turkey,Army tried and failed and then civilian elected leader became a dictator almost.

Pakistan Army is a totally difference case there is no way a small section in Pak Army can plan something like Army in Turkey did. If you want to know how command in Pak Army works just see the reaction of Pak Army when Nawaz tried to kick out their Army Chief (Musharraf) and appointed a General from his caste (Ziauddin Butt) as Army Chief in 1999. Rest is his history...

Ziauddin Butt was from engineering core and had no field experience but his qualification was that he was close to Nawaz and was from same caste. Nawaz first appointed him as Chief of ISI before promoting him as Army Chief later in 1999 and guess what when he was heading the ISI office as Chief at that time ISI was reporting directly to Army Chief (Musharraf) bypassing him because they were aware of his love for Nawaz Sharif and why he was made ISI Chief so they even rejected their own ISI Chief.
 
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Pakistan Army is a totally difference case there is no way a small section in Pak Army can plan something like Army in Turkey did. If you want to know how command in Pak Army works just see the reaction of Pak Army when Nawaz tried to kick out their Army Chief (Musharraf) and appointed a General from his caste (Ziauddin Butt) as Army Chief in 1999. Rest is his history...

Ziauddin Butt was from engineering core and had no field experience but his qualification was that he was close to Nawaz and was from same caste.
Nawaz first appointed him as Chief of ISI before promoting him as Army Chief later in 1999 and guess what when he was heading the ISI office as Chief at that time ISI was reporting directly to Army Chief (Musharraf) bypassing him because they were aware of his love for Nawaz Sharif and why he was made ISI Chief so they even rejected their own ISI Chief.

I never got this caste/tribe obsession people have in Pakistan, I'm from the same "caste" as nawaz sharif yet i hate him lol.
 
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I never got this caste/tribe obsession people have in Pakistan, I'm from the same "caste" as nawaz sharif yet i hate him lol.

But majority of the Butts love him specially the one from Gujranwala they love him more thn Lahoris :yk
 




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And people thought Khanzada is the only neutral guy sitting on Geo :D if he is doing all this just imagine what others like Talat have been doing? Geo should be renamed to PTV News 2 or Nooras News
 
In a third world country like Pakistan these things happen. We still have not settled the rules of the game.

DG ISPR did not really need this presser. or may be the one to one discussions are having no effect on Nawaz clan.
Shahbaz and Nisar want to keep things cool whereas bibi Maryam and Nawaz company want to save their future at any cost, by any means.
 
1st April alert.

I have to say that there is no hope for anyone who believes "Democracy has nothing to fear from Pakistan Army".

Suppose, in a group of people, a smaller group has guns and others don't. If you can't figure out how power is going to be distributed in the group as a result, there is no hope for you.

For progress, you need power to be given to something who actually produces something, not given to men who have guns.
 
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