Maliq_Mudasir
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Looto Pakistan scheme by Sethi and co.
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The Director of cricket was the right way to go, but although I was probably supportive at the time, it was obvious that he was too Conservative with his selections. This made our cricket dour and because of that,the whole structure was dismantled. We need a guy to give us direction, a guy that says come what may, we are playing like this. RR should have been that guy but he was also scared with those dreadful Aussie wickets and he lost my support
Yep he was a poor appointment. The only reason why he was appointed was because of the order that came from IK.
Misbah has a long history of failures as a player, captain, coach and chief selector.
As you can probably tell with what I'm alluding to, the old regime was not doing any favours for Pakistan cricket.
They are essentially going from 12 teams to 16 teams... which I think is probably fine. It will reduce the quality a bit but at least worthwhile domestic players won't be riding the bench.
For me the bigger question is whether or not they will extend the domestic season. This domestic season has essentially lasted 4 months which means most players will be doing nothing for the remaining 8 months and its hard to stay consistent going that long without quality practice. Ideally, the QeA season should be 3 months minimum and the domestic season as a whole should be minimum 6 months.
I agree a coach at the top, especially a failed one like Mickey, makes no difference. People don’t understand the role of coaches in international cricket. It is not what they think.
They almost serve no purpose. It is all about having a strong captain & a strong set of players. That is what drives results, not the coach you have in place.
Which is why the 6 team system failure needs to be addressed & let’s see what happens after the system is revised. If there are no improvement in results over the next 3-4 years & the quality of cricketers coming through isn’t any better, Sethi & co. will have to answer.
Welcome back to ZtBL vs SNGPL & Port qasim Auth. V Wapda, players with round bellies and having joint pain rolling over their arms and strolling for singles
The idea of fewer teams makes sense.Australia has 6 teams and the standard of cricket is very high.16 teams full of mediocre players playing for WAPDA,UBL etc will not change anything.There will be no rivalry or a fan base.They could have added another 4 teams and kept the present system.In England they created a first division consisting of 10 teams and a second division consisting of 8 teams with two-up two down relegation system.Because you have to pick a number, just like how geniuses who believe in less teams = higher quality theory stopped at 6 even though if they have 3 or 4 teams they will have more competition & more quality.
If same geniuses were hired by BCCI, they would reduce the teams from 38 to 12 & India will only produce legendary cricketers because you have to be bloody good to break into a 12 team competition out of 2 billion people, & India will never lose a game of cricket again. So easy.
If IK made the appointment then it was a poor call. Misbah could have changed our cricketing culture but instead he was too Conservative
The idea of fewer teams makes sense.Australia has 6 teams and the standard of cricket is very high.16 teams full of mediocre players playing for WAPDA,UBL etc will not change anything.There will be no rivalry or a fan base.They could have added another 4 teams and kept the present system.In England they created a first division consisting of 10 teams and a second division consisting of 8 teams with two-up two down relegation system.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter to me which regime is calling the shots for Pakistan cricket. I want to see us improve because the standards have been very bad in the last 15 years.
I think it’s just a wish and a prayer from Sethi and this crook Shakeel Sheikh.
Why would the departments get involved with this right now, when there is much uncertainty surrounding the political situation in Pakistan?
Expect a u-turn any time soon. I doubt departments will be dumb enough to do this right now anyway.
RIP Pakistan domestic cricket if this plan is implemented. Those celebrating have forgotten the awful state of FC cricket pre-2019, so here's a refresher of the wonders of "Purana Pakistan":
1) Excess mediocrity: [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] makes the argument that we shouldn't deny players with no prospect of international cricket the chance to play domestically. That's fair. But the old system was retaining too many journeymen with no right playing domestic cricket. Take Rameez Raja jnr. He was a specialist batsman averaging 27. With 16 FC teams, he played year in year out despite mediocre output. Finally in 2019, he was rightly demoted to 2nd XI. Or about how the entirety of Lahore Blues top 5 in this encounter with HBL in QEA 2017/18. Their lineup read:
Waqar Saleem - Opener - Average 25.
Tayyab Tahir - Opener - Average 33 (who looks like Don Bradman in this lineup)
Haris Nazar - #3 - Average 17.
Irfan Haider - #4 - Average 22.
Raza Ali Dar - #5 - Average 27.
How can a FC team not possess a single batsman averaging 40 in their ranks ? How does such lopsided matches prepare you for rigors of Test cricket ? Perhaps 6 teams are too few. However there's little justification for such a bloated roster of FC cricketers.
2) Lack of scrutiny enabling corruption and nepotism: With so many teams in this hotchpotch system and no broadcast coverage whatsoever, domestic cricket was hardly followed enabling all sorts of dirty tricks. [MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] pointed out a sly tactic from Salman Butt as captain of WAPDA, one of the leading critics of the new system. He would literally hide himself in the batting order, and conveniently avoid the new ball spells of someone like Mohammad Abbas, to inflate his stats.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ince-2015&highlight=pakistan+domestic+cricket
Arsal Shaikh managed to play six FC matches taking 7 wickets at 53. No wonder daddy was so quick to tweet this announcement. Under the current setup where there's only three matches per round and one broadcast live (which attracts decent viewing figures by the standards of domestic 4-day cricket), such acts are near impossible.
3) Pathetic pitches - the pitches are mediocre now but they were horrific pre-2019. The abundance of FC teams, congested scheduling and lack of FC-standard venues meant pitches got overused and curators lacked time to prepare good wickets.
The average 1st innings score in the 2017/18 QEA Trophy was 233, amongst the lowest of any FC competition in the world, with 8 sub-100 totals. 13 of the 15 top wicket-takers were seamers so no wonder we can't produce good spinners. Sethi did nothing about this.
4) Declining role of Departments - Pre-2019, departments were already cutting back. In 2018, UBL closed their cricketing division. Covid and Pakistan's weak economy worsened their financial position, and with a likely change of Govt in 2023 why would departments return ?
RIP Pakistan domestic cricket if this plan is implemented. Those celebrating have forgotten the awful state of FC cricket pre-2019, so here's a refresher of the wonders of "Purana Pakistan":
1) Excess mediocrity: [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] makes the argument that we shouldn't deny players with no prospect of international cricket the chance to play domestically. That's fair. But the old system was retaining too many journeymen with no right playing domestic cricket. Take Rameez Raja jnr. He was a specialist batsman averaging 27. With 16 FC teams, he played year in year out despite mediocre output. Finally in 2019, he was rightly demoted to 2nd XI. Or about how the entirety of Lahore Blues top 5 in this encounter with HBL in QEA 2017/18. Their lineup read:
Waqar Saleem - Opener - Average 25.
Tayyab Tahir - Opener - Average 33 (who looks like Don Bradman in this lineup)
Haris Nazar - #3 - Average 17.
Irfan Haider - #4 - Average 22.
Raza Ali Dar - #5 - Average 27.
How can a FC team not possess a single batsman averaging 40 in their ranks ? How does such lopsided matches prepare you for rigors of Test cricket ? Perhaps 6 teams are too few. However there's little justification for such a bloated roster of FC cricketers.
2) Lack of scrutiny enabling corruption and nepotism: With so many teams in this hotchpotch system and no broadcast coverage whatsoever, domestic cricket was hardly followed enabling all sorts of dirty tricks. [MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] pointed out a sly tactic from Salman Butt as captain of WAPDA, one of the leading critics of the new system. He would literally hide himself in the batting order, and conveniently avoid the new ball spells of someone like Mohammad Abbas, to inflate his stats.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ince-2015&highlight=pakistan+domestic+cricket
Arsal Shaikh managed to play six FC matches taking 7 wickets at 53. No wonder daddy was so quick to tweet this announcement. Under the current setup where there's only three matches per round and one broadcast live (which attracts decent viewing figures by the standards of domestic 4-day cricket), such acts are near impossible.
3) Pathetic pitches - the pitches are mediocre now but they were horrific pre-2019. The abundance of FC teams, congested scheduling and lack of FC-standard venues meant pitches got overused and curators lacked time to prepare good wickets.
The average 1st innings score in the 2017/18 QEA Trophy was 233, amongst the lowest of any FC competition in the world, with 8 sub-100 totals. 13 of the 15 top wicket-takers were seamers so no wonder we can't produce good spinners. Sethi did nothing about this.
4) Declining role of Departments - Pre-2019, departments were already cutting back. In 2018, UBL closed their cricketing division. Covid and Pakistan's weak economy worsened their financial position, and with a likely change of Govt in 2023 why would departments return ?
2022 Pakistan Test team is the worst Test team in Pakistan history. This is an outcome of the 6 teams reforms that was introduced by Imran Khan in 2019.
A total disaster. A total failure.
Salman Butt has suggested to hold Departmental tournaments in the first half of the year and to hold the regional, city tournaments in the second half of the year and to use the departmental tournaments to feed the regions/cities and to select each player according to their region/city.
No player is gonna play that much cricket, especially first class. Body cant handle this, and do we have pitches and grounds to cater all this? Do we have enough budget for it?
Excellent decision. Please remember that domestic cricket's purpose is not just to provide International cricketers but also to provide meaningful employment for cricketers who are good enough for first class level.
RIP Pakistan domestic cricket if this plan is implemented. Those celebrating have forgotten the awful state of FC cricket pre-2019, so here's a refresher of the wonders of "Purana Pakistan":
1) Excess mediocrity: [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] makes the argument that we shouldn't deny players with no prospect of international cricket the chance to play domestically. That's fair. But the old system was retaining too many journeymen with no right playing domestic cricket. Take Rameez Raja jnr. He was a specialist batsman averaging 27. With 16 FC teams, he played year in year out despite mediocre output. Finally in 2019, he was rightly demoted to 2nd XI. Or about how the entirety of Lahore Blues top 5 in this encounter with HBL in QEA 2017/18. Their lineup read:
Waqar Saleem - Opener - Average 25.
Tayyab Tahir - Opener - Average 33 (who looks like Don Bradman in this lineup)
Haris Nazar - #3 - Average 17.
Irfan Haider - #4 - Average 22.
Raza Ali Dar - #5 - Average 27.
How can a FC team not possess a single batsman averaging 40 in their ranks ? How does such lopsided matches prepare you for rigors of Test cricket ? Perhaps 6 teams are too few. However there's little justification for such a bloated roster of FC cricketers.
2) Lack of scrutiny enabling corruption and nepotism: With so many teams in this hotchpotch system and no broadcast coverage whatsoever, domestic cricket was hardly followed enabling all sorts of dirty tricks. [MENTION=141227]BunnyRabbit[/MENTION] pointed out a sly tactic from Salman Butt as captain of WAPDA, one of the leading critics of the new system. He would literally hide himself in the batting order, and conveniently avoid the new ball spells of someone like Mohammad Abbas, to inflate his stats.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ince-2015&highlight=pakistan+domestic+cricket
Arsal Shaikh managed to play six FC matches taking 7 wickets at 53. No wonder daddy was so quick to tweet this announcement. Under the current setup where there's only three matches per round and one broadcast live (which attracts decent viewing figures by the standards of domestic 4-day cricket), such acts are near impossible.
3) Pathetic pitches - the pitches are mediocre now but they were horrific pre-2019. The abundance of FC teams, congested scheduling and lack of FC-standard venues meant pitches got overused and curators lacked time to prepare good wickets.
The average 1st innings score in the 2017/18 QEA Trophy was 233, amongst the lowest of any FC competition in the world, with 8 sub-100 totals. 13 of the 15 top wicket-takers were seamers so no wonder we can't produce good spinners. Sethi did nothing about this.
4) Declining role of Departments - Pre-2019, departments were already cutting back. In 2018, UBL closed their cricketing division. Covid and Pakistan's weak economy worsened their financial position, and with a likely change of Govt in 2023 why would departments return ?
I suppose one way of getting as many extended family members and the children of friends cricket employment is by increasing the number of teams so high that the quality of what is first class cricket drops to include guys who can barely hold a bat or bowl with any ability at all. It used to work so well for these corrupt individuals in the past.