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Devendra Bishoo vs Yasir Shah? The better Test bowler?

GLORY OF '92

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Brilliant bowling by Bishoo.

Who is better?

Bishoo has a far superior ODI record.
 
whenever I see Bishoo it reminds me of his epic interview with Nasser Hussain in the 2011 WC :))
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Can't remember what happened?
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cant find a video seems like it got deleted due to copyright issues

Basically he kept repeating whatever question Nasser asked. It was a funny sight.
 
Anyways on topic I feel Bishoos development and career was stunted due to WIs obsession with Narine
 
Slog said:
Anyways on topic I feel Bishoos development and career was stunted due to WIs obsession with Narine
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Exactly...The guy who would much rather play in the IPL. Thank god the Windies are moving on. Ambrose was right. The IPL players will only hold the team back
 
D Bishoo is definitely a better LOIs bowler than Yasir so far! WI wasted him for many years! Its time to bring him into the LOIs as well! In Tests i would give a slight edge to Yasir solely on his stats! But control wise Bishoo is a bit better while execution wise Yasir has been better so far! Lets see how it goes in future!
 
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TheNightWatchman said:
Exactly...The guy who would much rather play in the IPL. Thank god the Windies are moving on. Ambrose was right. The IPL players will only hold the team back
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He lost his spot due to terrible performances vs India and Aus back in 2011-12. Since then was struggling in FC cricket too. Took 65 wickets in WI domestic FC cricket this season before making his comeback.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Exactly...The guy who would much rather play in the IPL. Thank god the Windies are moving on. Ambrose was right. The IPL players will only hold the team back
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WI were playing Narine for the same reason Pak were playing Ajmal. Now that both were banned and made to change their actions to bowl legally, both have become completely toothless. So both have been dropped. IPL didn't have anything to do with his selection.
 
They're around the same age, I think, so it's an interesting comparison. Too early to call but Bishoo seems to have more raw ability than Yasir.
 
Always rated Bishoo as the best spinner from the West Indies, sad that Narine was preferred over him all these years.
 
Bishoo's ball to Haddin was pure magic! Probably one of the better balls I've seen in a while!
 
Cricfan4eva said:
WI were playing Narine for the same reason Pak were playing Ajmal. Now that both were banned and made to change their actions to bowl legally, both have become completely toothless. So both have been dropped. IPL didn't have anything to do with his selection.
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No...I mean that WI were chasing after Narine when Narine quiet clearly wanted to play in IPL rather than for WI. He made that quiet clear in the last 2-3 years when he started making up excuses. Ajmal atleast wanted to play for Pak. Narine just didn't want to
 
TheNightWatchman said:
No...I mean that WI were chasing after Narine when Narine quiet clearly wanted to play in IPL rather than for WI. He made that quiet clear in the last 2-3 years when he started making up excuses. Ajmal atleast wanted to play for Pak. Narine just didn't want to
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Well WI players are the only ones apart from Eng players who face the dilemma of country vs club. The amount of money is too much for them to just give it up for national representation. They are professional athletes not army.

You can't compare them. Ajmal doesn't face the dilemma, neither do players from other country. England players get paid handsomely, its other thing they never get picked in auction anyway apart from one or two.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Well WI players are the only ones apart from Eng players who face the dilemma of country vs club. The amount of money is too much for them to just give it up for national representation. They are professional athletes not army.

You can't compare them. Ajmal doesn't face the dilemma, neither do players from other country. England players get paid handsomely, its other thing they never get picked in auction anyway apart from one or two.
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That's why i say WI wasted their time chasing after Narine while they could have invested in Bishoo or some other spinner
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Well WI players are the only ones apart from Eng players who face the dilemma of country vs club. The amount of money is too much for them to just give it up for national representation. They are professional athletes not army.

You can't compare them. Ajmal doesn't face the dilemma, neither do players from other country. England players get paid handsomely, its other thing they never get picked in auction anyway apart from one or two.
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I'm not questioning his patriotism or anything. Just saying if he didn't have the passion to play for WI they shouldn't have chased after him
 
Sad that he's been kept out for so long, especially for Benn. Bishoo's really talented, in fact West Indies have some spin talent. Yet Benn plays all the time and finds his way back.

In fact think West Indies should play two spinners mostly, Bishoo and Narine, with maybe just Bishoo in tests and Narine in ODIs if only one spinner. I mean especially at home, spinners tend to be quite effective in West Indies.
 
Good to see Bishoo back on the radar. Was very impressed with him when I saw him play against us in 2011 but then he disappeared with the rise of Narine.

As far as comparison with Yasir is concerned, he's a more classical and orthodox leg spinner who has the basics right and can generate a lot of spin, while Yasir is more energetic and can be pretty handy on a day 4/5 wicket, but no doubt Bishoo is a superior talent.
 
Good bowling today by Bishoo but both are one dimensional with no slider or good googly.
Both would be brilliant with just another delivery slider or googly.
 
I always felt that Bishoo was WI's best spinner and i was surprised not to see him in the WI.
 
im not sure why everyone seems to rate yasir so highly, ive not seen very much of note from him.
 
Legspinners are the most potent spinners anytime...... they r and will b always strike bowlers... whereas offspinners are somewhat defensive..... holdind spinners.... who thrive on batsman's mistake ....... good thing is legspinners r on the rise...... Bishoo Chahal.... Yasir....et al
 
The master Warne has already declared Mr. Shah as the best leg spinner in the world. So is there even a competition?
 
I used to get the impression the Bishoo used to be a scorpion in the West Indian team. He could strike at any time whilst with the ball. Felt so sorry for him when he got dropped and forgotten.
 
Bishoo bowls effortlessl6 and yasir shah has to put in a lot more effort. Bishoo has twice the potential.
 
Googly is overrated by the way ,if you can bowl your stock delivery to perfection you are going to get a lot of wickets.
 
Bishoo is a bit like Imran Tahir. Okay against poor Test batsmen but not consistent enough to trouble the best.

Yasir Shah was pretty similar a year ago. But he has had the massive privilege of 100+ days on the road with Mushtaq Ahmed since then, and he has learned how to bowl in Test cricket.
 
Sandeep said:
Bishoo's ball to Haddin was pure magic! Probably one of the better balls I've seen in a while!
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It was terrific however if you watch again you will realise if Haddin came forward to it he could have negotiated it much better instead he went back with no real purpose.
 
Pathetic WI board keeping out Bishoo after his decent world cup 2011 campaign for someone like Narine :facepalm:

Its good to see, that West Indies still have some quality test players in the side.
 
With West Indies pitches being slow, low dry dustbowls these days, they may as well focusing on producing a line of top spinners despite their rich fast bowling traditions.

Bishoo's a talent for sure.
 
Little unfair on Yasir to be comapred with Bisho at tis stage ..I would give him a year or two
 
Junaids said:
Bishoo is a bit like Imran Tahir. Okay against poor Test batsmen but not consistent enough to trouble the best.

Yasir Shah was pretty similar a year ago. But he has had the massive privilege of 100+ days on the road with Mushtaq Ahmed since then, and he has learned how to bowl in Test cricket.
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Cant seem to understand what you trying ta say ? Bishoo is doing okay against poor test batsmen (Australians) and he is not triubling the best whilst Yasir has improved and has learnt how to bowl in test cricket ? Are you talking about his performance against the mighty BANGLADESH ?
 
Bishoo and Shah are both 29 years old.

Bishoo has 50 wickets at an average of 37.42, including 7 wickets v Australia at 35.57.

Yasir Shah has 37 wickets at an average of 28.37, including 12 wickets v Australia at 17.25.


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Starky said:
Cant seem to understand what you trying ta say ? Bishoo is doing okay against poor test batsmen (Australians) and he is not triubling the best whilst Yasir has improved and has learnt how to bowl in test cricket ? Are you talking about his performance against the mighty BANGLADESH ?
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You are a newcomer on this forum...are you also a newcomer to cricket ?

You should know that Bangladesh bats are not exactly sitting ducks-much less in home conditions on slow pitches against spin bowling.They are more than competent enough as SC batsmen and most of them were quite experienced...so any success Yasir had against them cannot be brushed under the rug.
 
Bishoo has deterioated as a bowler. He was such a good prospect first time I saw him...
 
slice said:
You are a newcomer on this forum...are you also a newcomer to cricket ?

You should know that Bangladesh bats are not exactly sitting ducks-much less in home conditions on slow pitches against spin bowling.They are more than competent enough as SC batsmen and most of them were quite experienced...so any success Yasir had against them cannot be brushed under the rug.
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Yeah but you cannot undermine bishoo's performance against australia, Are you comparing Australia's batting to Bangladesh's batting ? You seem like a newbie to cricket i guess ..Australia owns bangladesh in all conditions..Anybody with a right mind would give preference to bishoo's performance against the australians rather than yasir's performance against the mighty bangladesh...
 
Starky said:
Yeah but you cannot undermine bishoo's performance against australia, Are you comparing Australia's batting to Bangladesh's batting ? You seem like a newbie to cricket i guess ..Australia owns bangladesh in all conditions..Anybody with a right mind would give preference to bishoo's performance against the australians rather than yasir's performance against the mighty bangladesh...
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And you totally managed to miss this:

Bishoo and Shah are both 29 years old.

Bishoo has 50 wickets at an average of 37.42, including 7 wickets v Australia at 35.57.

Yasir Shah has 37 wickets at an average of 28.37, including 12 wickets v Australia at 17.25.
 
Kakar said:
And you totally managed to miss this:

Bishoo and Shah are both 29 years old.

Bishoo has 50 wickets at an average of 37.42, including 7 wickets v Australia at 35.57.

Yasir Shah has 37 wickets at an average of 28.37, including 12 wickets v Australia at 17.25.
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Yeah but you also need to add the fact that he saeed ajmal on the other end who was chucking his way with the wickets..So stats doesnt paint the whole picture.. And btw the Australian team he faced was in tatters and the Australian's bishoo is facing right now is totally different, The players might be the same but there stature has increased
 
Starky said:
Yeah but you also need to add the fact that he saeed ajmal on the other end who was chucking his way with the wickets..So stats doesnt paint the whole picture.. And btw the Australian team he faced was in tatters and the Australian's bishoo is facing right now is totally different, The players might be the same but there stature has increased
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So one of your logic was refuted with a proper answer and you come up with another? Where was Ajmal in Bangladesh? And did you even watch Yasir against Australia or just making up stuff?

The magical deliveries by Yasir in Bangladesh were without Ajmal. Bangladesh is a better spin playing team than Australia, are you trying to claim Aus would have survived against him in Bangladesh against such magical bowling?

Nice. We get it you don't like Yasir.

As for others, some Pakistanis are understandably underrating Yasir because "ghar ki murghi daal barabar".

Yasir is not Shane Warne yet, but he has done better than Bishoo. Best leg spinner in the world, as Shane himself terms Yasir - in Test cricket at least.
 
But ajmal was there in australia..And yes Australia would have survived coz your team would have lost by an innings...
 
Starky said:
Yeah but you also need to add the fact that he saeed ajmal on the other end who was chucking his way with the wickets..So stats doesnt paint the whole picture.. And btw the Australian team he faced was in tatters and the Australian's bishoo is facing right now is totally different, The players might be the same but there stature has increased
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Starky said:
But ajmal was there in australia..And yes Australia would have survived coz your team would have lost by an innings...
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LOL just shows how clueless you are and have no idea about anything. Ajmal did not play in any of the tests in which Yasir played against Australia.
 
Let's not carried away now, Tahir is the number one leg spinner in the game today. We haven't seen how Yasir fares in Test cricket outside the subcontinent/UAE, and we saw how lethal Tahir was against us in the UAE.

I don't have much expectations from Yasir in places like Australia, South Africa, England, New Zealand etc., because as a leg spinner he will always find it hard to keep his economy rate in check if there is not much in the wicket for him, and he often goes missing on the first three days when the ball isn't gripping much.

Tahir failed in Sri Lanka though, and let's see how Yasir fares there. It is the biggest test of his career so far.

As far as ODIs are concerned, no comparison at all. Tahir is comfortably the best ODI spinner in the world and Yasir is not half as good.

Nothing to suggest so far that Yasir is a better leg spinner than Tahir, but if he does well in Sri Lanka that will definitely put him ahead of Tahir in this format, who will also do well on these pitches against the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Bangladesh etc., just like he did well vs. us.

Yasir has done a decent job so far, but a lot of people are overrating him/getting carried away because Shane Warne likes him, because he hasn't been highly impressive; he has been decent/good, that's it, and has a long, long way to go before he can even draw comparisons with someone like Kaneria who was vastly inferior to Qadir.

Truth of the matter is that we need another competent off-spinner, because Yasir will not be able to fill Ajmal's void on his own.
 
Very very Similar FC numbers.


Yasir


Bishoo



Against a far better batting lineup ie Pakistan Bishoo had better SR than Yasir but similar Average while being slightly more economical.



This debate will settle in few months time when Pakistan tour West Indies.


Battle will be competitive if West Indies recall inform Chanderpaul.
 

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Bishoo on current form..

He got 8 wickets in the second innings against Pakistan after Pakistan scored 500+ in first innings..

Yasir has none so far in a similar situation :)
 
FlickedOffHips said:
Bade bure din agaye Yasir ke liye. A moment's silence for his stats.
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Bishoo has always been a very talented bowler. He just happens to be in the wrong team unfortunately. He has far more varieties than yasir. If he was an aussies, he would have developed into their permanant leg spinner.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
Bade bure din agaye Yasir ke liye. A moment's silence for his stats.
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Zak_Fan said:
Bishoo isn't that bad actually. Outbowled Yasir in UAE, and he can't be any worse away.
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Bilal Bhaee ko idhar lao.

Bring brother Bilal to this thread. It's good comparison.


We ll activate that thread once Ashwin plays in UAE or Yasir plays in India.


Currently overall there is no Comparison at all.
 
waleed88 said:
Bishoo on current form..

He got 8 wickets in the second innings against Pakistan after Pakistan scored 500+ in first innings..

Yasir has none so far in a similar situation :)
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Neither does Shane Warne.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Bilal Bhaee ko idhar lao.

Bring brother Bilal to this thread. It's good comparison.


We ll activate that thread once Ashwin plays in UAE or Yasir plays in India.


Currently overall there is no Comparison at all.
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i think what you mean is there is no competition at all. both have stats for Eng, Aus.
 
Imad smacked Bishoo for 71 in 10 overs today. Imad Wasim 140 off like 78 balls. 10 fours 11 sixes.
 
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FlickedOffHips said:
i think what you mean is there is no competition at all. both have stats for Eng, Aus.
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Ashwin of 2013-2014 is not comparable with Ashwin of 2016.


He is Clearly, Easily ahead of Yasir Shah as a bowler and far far ahead as an Allrounder and overall Cricketer.


The comparison now looks quite silly.


When are India touring Australia ? If Ashwin stays fit and remains committed you will see much better performances from him which would be far better than his previous tour numbers and far far better than Yasir.


Yasir needs wickets which can assist him in choking runs and get lots of Lbw's and caught at silly point or silly mid off. UAE is such place as is BAN, SL but UAE the most. He can only match Ashwin in UAE and India because :

1. His stock delivery turns very little.

2. His fitness levels don't help.

3. He doesn't have a flipper.

4. His googly is benign.

5. He doesn't mix up his variations well enough to fox the batsman and set them up.

6. Apart from Zooter & legbreak their isn't a third delivery on which Yasir has confidence.



Most importantly even on wickets which aren't very spin friendly Ashwin will get decent amount of Spin and will still be challenging for batsman.
 
Bishoo has pretty good ODI record so far , avg 22 in 14 ODI.
However his test average of 37 is poor.
 
Away from Home Ashwin averages 33

Away from Home Bishoo averages 33

Away from UAE Yasir averages 39


After Sydney test it would be 45 for Yasir.
 
Though i think bishoo has more potential as a leg spinner but he has only played test cricket in countries which generally have some or a lot of assistance for spin bowlers and he still only has managed to average 37.
 
Peoples are very emotional here...Their emotions and opinions changes match after match...
One bad series that too in very difficult place doesn't make Yasir bad..He still is the best leg spinner in the world and easily in the top5 spinners currently ...
He is obviously better than Bishoo..
 
He is performance is subsiding. The best I have seen him was in SL tour. Was mixing it up in flight, getting the drift and turn along with accuracy. The drift is missing since then. However, he is comfortably better than Bishoo.
 
Midwinter13992 said:
Peoples are very emotional here...Their emotions and opinions changes match after match...
One bad series that too in very difficult place doesn't make Yasir bad..He still is the best leg spinner in the world and easily in the top5 spinners currently ...
He is obviously better than Bishoo..
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3 months ago in a Pak vs WI Test series Bishoo had to bowl to far superior pakistani batsman with 3 batsman averaging 41, 43 and 45 in Test Cricket , 1 averaging 49 and 1 averaging 53 with around 60 Test hundreds between them and Pakistan was World number 2 Test side.

On the other hand Yasir had to bowl to World number 8 or 9 Test side having only two batsman averaging 40 plus and with whole team having 15-20 Test hundreds between them.

Bishoo had similar average like Yasir, 10 points better SR, 3 less wickets and 0.70 higher Economy than Yasir Shah. Furthermore batsman Windies reputation against spin is poor barring Darren Bravo while Pakistan's 5 batsman are considered very good players against Spin with 1 of them considered one of the best against spin.

Have a look
 

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Yasir Bhaee now averages 37.88 with the ball outside UAE with 61 wickets at a strike rate of 65.90 in 14 Tests



1. In Australia he has this record :

3Tests 8 wickets at an average of 84.00 and a strike rate of 111.10


2. In England he has this record :

4Tests 19 wickets at an average of 40.73 and a strike rate of 75.10
 
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