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Did Bangladesh really do well this Champions Trophy?

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It indeed does look good that Bangladesh reached the semi finals of the Champions Trophy. But their run consists of only the one win, one undeserved draw and two losses.

No doubt that Bangladesh is improving, but did they really exceed expectations in the Champions Trophy? Had the Australia game lasted a few more overs, their record would've been one win and three losses.
 
One can't question their semifinal qualification given other teams failed to take their chances but the way they are getting schooled today really shows there is a long way to go and India is so far ahead.
 
To be honest, they didn't deserve to play semi final and rain helped them too...
 
Still an achievement for them AU's SA had better sides but failed to achieve what Bangla tigers did :14:
 
Before the tournament started, they would have taken the Semi Final result. They over achieved.
 
The rain got them to this semi final. If it didn't rain Australia would comfortably of beaten them and then today would've been India vs. Australia instead.
 
They were competitive, no doubt about it. But, they didn't deserve to qualify for semi final
 
They were hammered in 3 out of the 4 games played, rain played a part in them getting to the semis. The fact they bead NZ wasn't that much of a suprise, it was the fact they were in an awful position. It suprised people that they won from that position.

Bangladesh are an improving side no doubt.
 
without rain help they wouldn't have been in the semi-final and Australia would have been playing the semi-final against India now. We would have been on our edge watching the match but instead we are having a one sided dull match that clearly proved BD did not deserve to be in the semi-final.
 
They deserved to be in the semis no doubt.

But just 1 win including the warm ups is disappointing.
 
bangladesh should have scored 320-330 against india to be competitive

the flat pitch and indian batting is a match made in heaven

even pakistan bowling struggled to contain them
 
Well looking at things they didn't deserve to get here. The rain helped them out but ICC should re think about how to handle rain effected games. AUS was definitely hard done by rain and ended up in a knock out with England with no match practice
 
They just won one game so I would say a fair amount of luck did favor them.But today's match shows they are still far behind in lots of areas and didn't deserve to play in the semis of this coveted tournament.
 
They did better than us, have to give them that. It would've been ridiculous if they lifted a trophy before us though :P
 
No I don't think so. They won 1 match out of 4 official games, and also lost the warm up games. Bangladesh usually have tournaments with one upset in there, this was just another one. Really lucky to be here because of rain instead of australia.
 
Well looking at things they didn't deserve to get here. The rain helped them out but ICC should re think about how to handle rain effected games. AUS was definitely hard done by rain and ended up in a knock out with England with no match practice

For sure... an Australia India semi-final would've been brilliant had rain not intervened.
 
Bangladesh did as well as Pakistan. Both teams were thrashed by India but they played well against other teams.
 
Dropped catches and toss helped Pakistan. Does that mean pak also didn't deserve to go to the semifinal. Lol :))

Having a game rained out while on the brink of being absolutely demolished is a lot different than a side dropping a couple of catches.
 
I would say Yes they did exceptionally well. Before the CT, no one gave numbers to BD and they were supposed to be lucky to be playing the tourney.
Not only they managed to beat a strong team but also entered SF. Yes there was a luck factor involved but thats part of the game.
They were unfortunate to have met India twice but they did try their best.

Ask fans of NZ, Eng, SF and Aus how they feel about this CT.
 
Bangladesh did as well as Pakistan. Both teams were thrashed by India but they played well against other teams.

Bangladesh lost by a fair margin against England and were about to be absolutely thrashed by Australia before rain came down.
 
Bangladesh did as well as Pakistan. Both teams were thrashed by India but they played well against other teams.


lol how so. Wehre is the logic. We won two matches. That too against number one ranked team.

You guys were 4 overs from being eliminated. Literally. You got a one win and all of a sudden that equates to Pakistan.

We had our luck but we still played cricket to get where we were. And it showed as we rolled over the tournament favorites in the semi. You guys looked exactly like a team lucky to be there. Just goes to show the real quality of what happened and not some numbers on a sheet.
 
A fluke win for BD got them into the semi's. Cricket would have been served better if another team would have played India making it a good match. Today's game was so one sided and watching the BD fielders leak runs was shameful.
The BD team is learning but the curve seems steep at the moment
 
They made it to semi-final and played some good cricket. Have done well.

Going forward, Mahmudullah at 4 and Mushfiq at 6 will be a better option.
 
Youve got to take your chances when you get an opportunity like they did to play such a game. So, its respectable of them to reach the Semis in whatever way they managed to do so. Whats unfortunate is that they just dont have the firepower to challange on a flat track and a hot day against a monster side
 
Whats unfortunate is that they just dont have the firepower to challange on a flat track and a hot day against a monster side

You don't get to choose the conditions you are playing under. BTW the track is the same for both teams and the team that utilizes those conditions to its advantage and strengths usually comes out on the top. BD despite its hyped strengths is a pretty weak team and has a very long way to go
 
Having a game rained out while on the brink of being absolutely demolished is a lot different than a side dropping a couple of catches.

Australia got lucky against New Zealand due to rain, luck turned against them when they played Bangla. So it's even Steven.
 
They could have done better, played very well against NZ. Batted well against England but lost their way.

Their batting attack is good but their bowling is their weak point and pretty poor. They also lack a proper spinner to choke teams in the middle overs.
 
Bangladesh lost by a fair margin against England and were about to be absolutely thrashed by Australia before rain came down.

Key difference is England chased against Bangladesh whereas against Pakistan they had to set up a target. Big, big difference. Margin of loss wouldn't have been that big for bangla had they chased against England.

Pak has won All of their tosses in this tournament. If pak gets unlucky and has to set a target in the final u'll understand the difficulty of setting up a total.
 
Australia got lucky against New Zealand due to rain, luck turned against them when they played Bangla. So it's even Steven.

No its not and the rankings make it obvious. While Aus and BD both got lucky, on any day, all conditions being the same, BD is expected to loose and Aus expected to win. the fact that BD consistently performs below par despite the hype doesn't make it the same
 
No its not and the rankings make it obvious. While Aus and BD both got lucky, on any day, all conditions being the same, BD is expected to loose and Aus expected to win. the fact that BD consistently performs below par despite the hype doesn't make it the same
Pakistan is expected to lose to Australia, South Africa and England 9 out of 10 times irrespective of pitch or conditions and they r playing in the final now. What's ur point?

And no, BD didn't perform below par. They performed admirably in this tournament. They have won only one toss in the entire tournament and they have won the match in which they managed to win the toss.

It's a win toss to win match type tournament. Bangla have been unlucky that they haven't managed to win tosses in crucial matches.
 
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Pakistan is expected to lose to Australia, South Africa and England 9 out of 10 times irrespective of pitch or conditions and they r playing in the final now. What's ur point?

And no, BD didn't perform below par. They performed admirably in this tournament. They have won only one toss in the entire tournament and they have won the match in which they managed to win the toss.

It's a win toss to win match type tournament. Bangla have been unlucky that they haven't managed to win tosses in crucial matches.

in the end pakistan playing yet another ICC event final and bangladesh are once again winning hearts only

i feel your pain
 
Pakistan is expected to lose to Australia, South Africa and England 9 out of 10 times irrespective of pitch or conditions and they r playing in the final now. What's ur point?

And no, BD didn't perform below par. They performed admirably in this tournament. They have won only one toss in the entire tournament and they have won the match in which they managed to win the toss.

It's a win toss to win match type tournament. Bangla have been unlucky that they haven't managed to win tosses in crucial matches.

england captain mention in the toss he would have bat also if he have win the toss in semifinal

thus your lame excuse of toss for pakistan hehheeeeeee:afridi1:yk2:broad
 
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So what you are implying is that if all playing conditions are conducive, BD will perform and win. If a toss decides the outcome of a match , then why play, Just toss a coin and declare the winner :). BD is currently the bottom scraper and no matter how you spin it, i don't expect then to win and haven't seen them win consistently ever since I have been watching cricket

Pakistan has been on top of cricket for much of 80's and 90's and have a legacy. Yes they have also been performing poorly for a while but I expect them to improve much quicker than BD. They have performed well in the last three matches so yes, it could be individual motivation, team morale, good strategy and a zillion other things. It will be interesting to see how they do over the next year before declaring judgement
 
in the end pakistan playing yet another ICC event final and bangladesh are once again winning hearts only

i feel your pain

And I'd like to congratulate Pakistan for their valiant efforts in this tournament. Yes, they were lucky with their tosses. But they have done a brilliant job in using their luck to their advantage.

Pak bowlers have performed brilliantly in this tournament. And pak as a team have really played well in this tournament.
 
Dropped catches and toss helped Pakistan. Does that mean pak also didn't deserve to go to the semifinal. Lol :))

Pakistan has won 3 games on the trot. Bangladesh won once.

Australia got lucky against New Zealand due to rain, luck turned against them when they played Bangla. So it's even Steven.

It's impossible to say whether Australia would've won against New Zealand or not. What if the Bangladesh vs NZ game got rained out with the score at 33-4. We'd be talking about how unlucky NZ was to have the game rained out. Fact of the matter is Australia had only 1 game and it ended up being a must-win game. Whereas, the only game that got rained out for Bangladesh was the one they were certain to lose.

On a separate note, you couldn't have chosen a more fitting username. Kudos on that.
 
And I'd like to congratulate Pakistan for their valiant efforts in this tournament. Yes, they were lucky with their tosses. But they have done a brilliant job in using their luck to their advantage.

Pak bowlers have performed brilliantly in this tournament. And pak as a team have really played well in this tournament.

yeah we deserves some credit and sensible comments from you
 
england captain mention in the toss he would have bat also if he have win the toss in semifinal

thus your lame excuse of toss for pakistan hehheeeeeee:afridi1:yk2:broad

What else did u expect him to say. Did u really expect him to say that oh God we've lost the toss we r screwed now. He said that to give confidence to his batters in a pressure cooking semifinal.

Many captains in the past did that.
 
Dropped catches and toss helped Pakistan. Does that mean pak also didn't deserve to go to the semifinal. Lol :))
As a Pakistan fan I believe Australia deserved to be in semi finals,the rain robbed them.Pakistan was lucky to be in sem-finals but Pakistan did beat Sri Lanka.Its not Pakistan's fault that Sri Lanka dropped catches.If Pakistan can find a few good batsmen then it can be a strong team.Bowling is not a problem there are plenty of young bowlers in Pakistan.
 
What else did u expect him to say. Did u really expect him to say that oh God we've lost the toss we r screwed now. He said that to give confidence to his batters in a pressure cooking semifinal.

Many captains in the past did that.

you don,t know nothing about cricket then

Pitch for the match was "used" so england best option was bat first as it will become spinners paradise

in second batting so obviously he would have want to bat first to avoid spin trail of pakistan
 
yeah we deserves some credit and sensible comments from you

Of course pak deserves all the praise. I just don't get why some of the fans got touchy when I mentioned about the advantage that pak got by winning all of their tosses.

It has already been established that in this tournament 80% of the time team that will win the toss will win the match.
 
you don,t know nothing about cricket then

Pitch for the match was "used" so england best option was bat first as it will become spinners paradise

in second batting so obviously he would have want to bat first to avoid spin trail of pakistan

Don't get personal . U r entitled to ur view. But that won't change the fact. England have decided to chase in every single match when they won the toss. No team in the world would've made an exception in all important semifinal.

England's game revolves around their batters and their ability to chase down any score. They have been successfully following that strategy for last couple of years. They wouldn't have made an exception in the semifinal either.
 
They did well to grab that NZ win.

BUT if all teams had played their scheduled matches, AUS would have made it.
 
As a Pakistan fan I believe Australia deserved to be in semi finals,the rain robbed them.Pakistan was lucky to be in sem-finals but Pakistan did beat Sri Lanka.Its not Pakistan's fault that Sri Lanka dropped catches.If Pakistan can find a few good batsmen then it can be a strong team.Bowling is not a problem there are plenty of young bowlers in Pakistan.

My point exactly. Lankans were rubbish in the field and they had to pay price for that. Yes, It's not Pakistan's fault that Sri Lanka dropped their catches, similarly it's not bangla's fault that rain interrupted the match between bangla and Australia. See the correlation?

Besides this, bangla batted brilliantly against England whereas aussies couldn't even get past 280.
 
lol how so. Wehre is the logic. We won two matches. That too against number one ranked team.

You guys were 4 overs from being eliminated. Literally. You got a one win and all of a sudden that equates to Pakistan.

We had our luck but we still played cricket to get where we were. And it showed as we rolled over the tournament favorites in the semi. You guys looked exactly like a team lucky to be there. Just goes to show the real quality of what happened and not some numbers on a sheet.

I am not a Bangladeshi fan. Relax.

It was just my opinion. Pakistan won all the toss. got to play on dry used/sticky pitches against teams like SA/Eng who generally struggle against spin.
 
Don't get personal . U r entitled to ur view. But that won't change the fact. England have decided to chase in every single match when they won the toss. No team in the world would've made an exception in all important semifinal.

England's game revolves around their batters and their ability to chase down any score. They have been successfully following that strategy for last couple of years. They wouldn't have made an exception in the semifinal either.

""You want england to bat second on used pitch against pakistani spinner who are decent """
It just show your unawareness about pitch and match situation
 
,Their entry was a bit like how Kenya made it to semis in 2003 World Cup. Today's match was like a car wreck you can't look away
 
Bangladesh did as well as Pakistan. Both teams were thrashed by India but they played well against other teams.

Bangladesh got thrashed by England and Australia as well.

But you can't say BD doesn't deserve to play the semi? Rain and wash outs are part of the game.
 
Though the India-Bangladesh clash turned out to be one-sided in the end, for the first couple of hours Bangladesh were on top. When they reached 150-2 I am sure all Indians were worried.

Well played, and may you keep getting better as you have the past two decades.
 
When my alarm rang this morning, I checked the score and it was 88-6 of 16 overs to BD and I thought to myself hmmm not bad of a start but a bit slow and still a long way to go. I took a shower and got dressed, then turned on my telly to see the Deshi progress and they were around 150/2. I was like now this is entering dangerous territory for India. I got to the office and the score was around 220/7. Lo jee karlo gul. Game set and match right there. Didn't even follow the second innings as I knew India would walk it.


BD had only one good match in the tournament, I don't think they were deserving semi-finalists.
 
Though the India-Bangladesh clash turned out to be one-sided in the end, for the first couple of hours Bangladesh were on top. When they reached 150-2 I am sure all Indians were worried.

Well played, and may you keep getting better as you have the past two decades.

yep. I was really worried. thought they would score over 300+. But pitch was so good. I was confident India would chase whatever Bangladesh put on the board. I was preparing for 300 to 320. fortunately they bundled out for 260.
 
depends on what your expectations were. truth is, the other 7 teams have a lot more exposure to these conditions and in general play more home games as well. you cant compare with Pakistan who just played 4 tests and 5 ODIs here last summer, to give an example.

but aside from that, Bangladesh probably enhanced their reputation a bit. it was said we could only win at home. but we beat england in Adelaide and NZ in Cardiff.

the batting was hot or cold, and ultimately not hot enough for batting 1st in 3 out of the 4 games. but you cant control the toss.

the bowling was the biggest disappointment, not consistent enough. Fizz bowled vs NZ if not spectacular and the rest of the team followed suit.

but what this has shown is that Bangladesh are very much a #6 or7 ranked side.
 
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depends on what your expectations were. truth is, the other 7 teams have a lot more exposure to these conditions and in general play more home games as well. you cant compare with Pakistan who just played 4 tests and 5 ODIs here last summer, to give an example.

but aside from that, Bangladesh probably enhanced their reputation a bit. it was said we could only win at home. but we beat england in Adelaide and NZ in Cardiff.

the batting was hot or cold, and ultimately not hot enough for batting 1st in 3 out of the 4 games. but you cant control the toss.

the bowling was the biggest disappointment, not consistent enough. Fizz bowled vs NZ if not spectacular and the rest of the team followed suit.

but what this has shown is that Bangladesh are very much a #6 or7 ranked side.

Bangladesh played trination series in ireland and two warm up games so sorry this is not good excuse

by that logic south africa played 3 matches to england before CT sp they should have won all the

group matches
 
Definitely.

2 years back, when BD qualified for CT ahead of WI/PAK; no one have the team any credit even as a deserving qualifier. It's a great tournament for us.

One sided matches are not uncommon these days - out of 14 matches so far, including 2 rain washed matches, & few DWL curtailed matches, I think only 3 matches were close
BD-NZ
PAK-SRL
SRL-IND

Rest are one sided & both the SF are won with bonus points (IND did take 40'1 overs, but..)

Once the toss went wrong, I new we'll lose the match, but those 2 wickets by Jadhav absolutely killed the contest.

Still, well played boys - make sure that next time you win the toss, don't blow it.
 
No team should be able to play in semis based on just one win in CT. Having said that, it's not BD fault. It's a poorly scheduled CT with rain impacting so many matches.
 
I would say we did Okay.

First things first. We did well to simply qualify for the champions trophy back in 2015 beating some top teams.

We did beat NZ. We were poor against Australia and India. Batted well against England tho.

We could have done better but we are a limited side with limited ability
 
Lucky loser (using tennis term - not trying to be hurtful), but BD vs NZ match was unforgettable ....superb
 
they'll have to do much more to get respect from neutral fans.

as a pakistani fan, i am delighted with their performance. the biggest setback however is the form of mustafiz. i was expecting a lot of good things from him especially after how he started in ireland.

india for all its batting might and what not, only became a real force when it became a team of good bowlers.

2007 was built around rp singh and sreesanth
2011 was built around zaheer khan

this champions trophy their whole unit hunts as a pack.

bangladesh needs its star bowler to do good too. if fizz goes back and works on his game and maintains his statistics against good teams and not just occasional bursts at death, the profile of the whole country will go up.

silverware gives respect - even if it doesn't make you lovable, but neutral love isn't necessarily something that an international sports team aims for, it is always about respect in the end.
 
Usually dry/sticky pitches deteriorate more in the second innings. In all 3 games we played second. So it should have been tough for Pakistan. The SL chase was made into a tough one by our batsmen not the pitch. Also in the SF, we were almost scoring @ 5.8 rpo around the 37 over mark. could have scored another 110-120 runs in the last 13 overs the way things were going.
 
I called them minnows even after they qualified for SF by fluke. BD fans (and their new found brothers, the Pakistanis) were upset. Today's match exposed BD for what they are: minnows. India were terrible in the field: no balls, 5 run penalty etc. It felt like the Indian team was bored and half-asleep. And yet they completely blew them off the ground.

Imagine what would happen if India would have played with a bit more intensity. 170 all out and India home in 30 overs, I'd say.

Why don't the BD fans accept that they are still minor league operators?
 
Bangladesh played trination series in ireland and two warm up games so sorry this is not good excuse

by that logic south africa played 3 matches to england before CT sp they should have won all the

group matches

ireland are associates and they are not the same Ireland of yesteryear. NZ sent their A team so that doesnt count. this was merely a warm up series for BD and NZ.

same thing happened in WC 2015 as well...BD had the least exposure out of all 14 teams.

SA also doest not count because that was in lieu of CT warm up matches...I am talking of regular FTP tours not warm up matches.

its no surprise the teams that did well India, SL, PAK have all toured England recently (past 2 yrs). SA did not plus they would choke even if the ICC fixed the results. SA are a total outlier and no rules apply to them.
 
""You want england to bat second on used pitch against pakistani spinner who are decent """
It just show your unawareness about pitch and match situation
Yes, because that's how the modern day odi cricket works especially in a place like England sadly u don't know much about it. England has no 2 ranked spinner Rashid and another decent spinner moeen in their squad but that didn't make pak hesitant to choose for fielding.

Why? Because England pitches r different than Subcontinental pitches and even used pitches remain same throughout the 100 overs. It's not as if pitch was fast when England batted and got slower and lower as match progressed. It remained same throughout the match.

Moeen and Rashid hardly got any purchase out of the wicket in the second half and there weren't any uneven bounce either.
 
It Depends whether you hold the belief that they are still a minnow/up and coming side and take an overall view of last 3 years, they have done well.

However, if you go by the eyes of their delusional fans (no doubt pakistan has a boatload of them) and hype they create about their team, they were quiet ordinary. Lost the first match by 8 wickets, last one by 9 wickets, in second match got through because of rain when they were skittled out for 180 odd. Won one match against NZ (ranked one above them and also by their defini) which was good effort for a minnow side that is starting to do well but not for the 'mighty tigers'

The most amusing thing is the reaction of their fans, on their forum, there were posts about ICC rigging the toss, there were posts about pakistani bowlers chucking, the loss of practice match against pakistan was put down to a fluke ( it was kind off), equated their rain blessing to that of pakistan ( never mind the score). They were less concerned about winning the game compared to loosing the ranking or perception of being better than pakistan.

I would be very excited/happy for BD, its just that their fans behavior makes it impossible to do just that.
 
It Depends whether you hold the belief that they are still a minnow/up and coming side and take an overall view of last 3 years, they have done well.

However, if you go by the eyes of their delusional fans (no doubt pakistan has a boatload of them) and hype they create about their team, they were quiet ordinary. Lost the first match by 8 wickets, last one by 9 wickets, in second match got through because of rain when they were skittled out for 180 odd. Won one match against NZ (ranked one above them and also by their defini) which was good effort for a minnow side that is starting to do well but not for the 'mighty tigers'

The most amusing thing is the reaction of their fans, on their forum, there were posts about ICC rigging the toss, there were posts about pakistani bowlers chucking, the loss of practice match against pakistan was put down to a fluke ( it was kind off), equated their rain blessing to that of pakistan ( never mind the score). They were less concerned about winning the game compared to loosing the ranking or perception of being better than pakistan.

I would be very excited/happy for BD, its just that their fans behavior makes it impossible to do just that.

You have put the nail bang on the head.

One improves when one admits one's shortcomings. Not just Bangladeshi fans even their administrators, instead of admitting their shortcomings invent fantastic excuses for their defeats. In 2015 World cup quarter final , one "biased" umpiring decision in favour of Rohit Sharma was cited as the reason for Bangladeshi defeat against India, even though the margin of defeat was quite big, by fans as well as BCB boss.

In this champions trophy semifinal, Bangladeshi fans are accusing ICC and BCCI of rigging the toss, as if Bangladesh winning the toss and fielding first would have made them win the match, seeing that they had gone down tamely to India by 240 runs in the warmup game where they had won the toss and fielded first.

One can clearly see the difference in class of the two teams, but Bangladeshi fans and even top brass perpetually live in their delusion of grandeur. Unless one has the humility to accept one's shortcomings, one cannot improve. That humility is conspicuous by its absence among Bangladeshi cricket fans and administrators.
 
I think this year they also failed to won hearts which was there note worthy avhivement in former ICC tournaments.

They were very lucky to qualify for Semis and than end up losing a seriously dull match something compareable to what Pakistan did v India may be ven worse.

Bangladesh cricket needs another good 10-15 years before we take them serious they are minnows otherwise just cashing in some wins due to bad form of some bigger teams like Pakistan,WI etc.
 
Just because every team fancy their chances against them every time they play against Bangladesh means they are still minnows with only difference from their previous era that they can surprise once in a long while now. Still not a top competitor by any means.
 
I like BD team and want them to do well, but the problem with them is they still don't have faith in themselves,it felt like they didn't even try to stop India from chasing and also gave up once Jadhav took those 2 wickets.

BD needs to be more dynamic and have faith in their abilities,if not when Afghans start winning matches against top teams they actually might end up scoring some major upsets against BD Bros because of the faith they have in themselves.
 
No team should be able to play in semis based on just one win in CT. Having said that, it's not BD fault. It's a poorly scheduled CT with rain impacting so many matches.

It was quite ridiculous that Australia got knocked out over circumstances entirely out of their control... not sure how that's allowed in sport.
 
They did not achieve anything. Ultimately it was only one win they got in the entire tournament.
 
I like Bangladesh and the style of cricket they are playing these days, but they aren't at the next level just yet. They lack consistency. It's been going on since the 2007 ODI world cup where they have one good game in every ICC tournament and that's it. I think they need just 1-2 more players besides Tamim, Mushfiq, and Mahmudullah to step up in batting to get over the hump.
 
It won't be long before BD go back to 8th rank in ODIs...pakistan and srilanka have given better account of themselves and their future looks brighter than Bd...
 
a minnow team got lucky in qualifying for both tourney nd semis...windies would hav given a better fight dan dis team..sad but truth
 
Bd team seems to me like the guy in college who studies very hard but can't seem to clear the exam..they have among the best coaches , best preparation time for this tournament but still under acheive...they have won zilch so far...not even an Asia cup...
 
Even kenya reached semis of 2003 wc...its not a big deal to go jst one levelup..in tourney like CT all u need is one fluke win nd support frm non-cricketing elements..one can take away the minnow tag if dey manage to win atleast a Asia cup but its not gonna happen in next 10-15years for sure
 
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