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Kohli in the post match ceremony said that he will continue to bat at no.3 and Rohit will bat at no.5.His statements reflected that Rohit will be in the team in the forseeable future.

So did he just sounded the deathknell for Pujara and Vijay?

And is he being a fool hardy in promoting himself to no.3 which is not his natural position and is a specialist position?
 
It's idiotic to play Rohit over the likes of Vijay and Pujara. Rohit is not a good test batsman.
 
Pujara is a class act. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the Indian Test side in the future.
 
I will be shocked.If Rohit plays over Vijay and Pujara in the long term.Its a travesty.
 
Rohit has no place in team India.

The team should be

Vijay
Rahul
Che
Virat
Rahane
Dhawan
Ashwin
Saha
Jadeja/Mishra
Shami
Yadav/Bhuvi

If India needs to play 5 bowlers like in WI then Dhawan goes away and is replaced by a bowler.
 
Why is he championing rohit all the time? The guy is proven mediocre in the test arena!
 
Pujara and Rohit are both really poor players outside of India with an average of 33 and 26 respectively. At home their averages are pretty similar. Here, you can probably give Kohli a bit of leeway as he is apparently more comfortable with Rohit.

Vijay on the other hand is superior in terms of his away average (36.85). So, i dont think he should be dropped.

However, all three are poor test players in away conditions and the former two are FTBs. Kohli should look for better talent.
 
Both are pure class, a farce situation actually that players of such caliber will be warming the benches, says a lot about Indian batting powerhouse.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
Pujara and Rohit are both really poor players outside of India with an average of 33 and 26 respectively. At home their averages are pretty similar. Here, you can probably give Kohli a bit of leeway as he is apparently more comfortable with Rohit.

Vijay on the other hand is superior in terms of his away average (36.85). So, i dont think he should be dropped.

However, all three are poor test players in away conditions and the former two are FTBs. Kohli should look for better talent.
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Vijay is a poor test player in away conditions?
 
Sachin136 said:
You said "However, all three are poor test players in away conditions"
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Yes, i believe that when i clubbed Vijay with the other two, that was a tad unfair. However an average of 37 is still not good. I personally bash Azhar and Shafiq all the time for their inconsistency and that shows in their average which is still higher than Vijay.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
Yes, i believe that when i clubbed Vijay with the other two, that was a tad unfair. However an average of 37 is still not good. I personally bash Azhar and Shafiq all the time for their inconsistency and that shows in their average which is still higher than Vijay.
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Vijay averages 60 in Australia and 40 in England. He's only played 2 matches in NZ and 3 in SA (two from 2010). Since the England tour he has been doing very well overseas. He averages 43 away from home since 2014 against non-minnows, which is outstanding for an opener.
 
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Sachin136 said:
Vijay averages 60 in Australia and 40 in England. He's only played 2 matches in NZ and 3 in SA (two from 2010). Since the England tour he has been doing very well overseas. He averages 43 away from home since 2014 against non-minnows, which is outstanding for an opener.
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When you put it that way, it does looks good. However, dont understand the logic behind choosing stats beyond 2014 only. If you may?
 
Sachin136 said:
Vijay averages 60 in Australia and 40 in England. He's only played 2 matches in NZ and 3 in SA (two from 2010). Since the England tour he has been doing very well overseas. He averages 43 away from home since 2014 against non-minnows, which is outstanding for an opener.
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Don't waste your time. He hasn't even watched him play. Just did a quick search on cricinfo statsguru and voila.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Don't waste your time. He hasn't even watched him play. Just did a quick search on cricinfo statsguru and voila.
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I for one have watched him play in England. He was the only batsman that was able to tuk tuk and manage to salvage something for India in that horrendous tour.

Please let me speak for myself next time. Thank you.
 
Virat cannot drop Dhawan coz he is his delhi mate and his best friend.
Virat cannot drop Rohit coz of the sports agent connection with Rohit's wife.
Pujara might have played his last test for a while coz India is playing most games at home.

Knowing Kohli, he might be putting pressure on Rahul to keep wickets and ask Vijay to open, who knows.

Vijay has done nothing wrong to deserve this treatment. If Kumble is in agreement then I am angry and surprised.
 
the 2 Sharma's - Rohit and Ishant - have to be the most luckiest Indian cricketers ever. The amount of chances that Rohit got in ODI's to prove himself is unbelievable. :facepalm:
 
Vijay is just rested,he will be getting in the team easily,class act. Pujara will get in too
 
Tusker said:
the 2 Sharma's - Rohit and Ishant - have to be the most luckiest Indian cricketers ever. The amount of chances that Rohit got in ODI's to prove himself is unbelievable. :facepalm:
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Ishant is okay.

The other Sharma is a total waste.

Firstly I don't mind having one lulloo in the team.

I don't mind having

Dhawan
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane

Or

Vijay
Rahul
Kohli
Rahane
Rohit

But having 2 lulloos in a team of 5 batsmen is totally unacceptable. I'm personally very disappointed with Kohli that he is allowing his biases get in the way of the team selection for the national team. I will any day have hard working and gritty cricketers in my Test team over flashy and supposedly talented players who are good with the PR. He is going to learn this the hard way though in the succeeding series. I can bet on it.
 
Their careers would've been ended anyway if BCCI lulloos agreed to tour UAE last year, at the hands of Yasir and co.

Kohli is just doing what would've been done 8 months back anyway.
 
Murali Vijay has been India's most reliable test batsman, whenever I've seen them. It would be stupid to drop him.

Pujara's bang average though, no big loss - though they should be doing much better than a proven failure in Rohit Sharma.
 
Pujara's omission is really disgraceful, definitely the best test batsman we have right now, sure he is a bit down in confidence but he can turn it around soon if he's being supported by the captain and the management. What can one say about rohit sharma, he is one of the worst players we have produced across generations and is a real farce he will be donning the Indian Cap yet again. A good for nothing, lazy, impudent player.
 
Suleiman said:
Their careers would've been ended anyway if BCCI lulloos agreed to tour UAE last year, at the hands of Yasir and co.

Kohli is just doing what would've been done 8 months back anyway.
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Yes and Rohit sharma would have batted with a stick and scored 1000 runs all by himself and would have caned yasir shah's deliveries so hard that the burj khalifa would come crashing down killing 1000's of men and thereby forcing the authorities to declare a national emergency. All hail the mighty rohit sharma the god of cricket.
 
Not sure what the OP is thinking. Being dropped for one or two matches is not equal to ending the careers of players. They will be back in the team. Vijay is a must. Pujara with all the hype hasn't performed even half of it yet and disappointed the indian team management. So they have to look for someone else for number 3 position.
 
spade said:
Pujara's omission is really disgraceful, definitely the best test batsman we have right now, sure he is a bit down in confidence but he can turn it around soon if he's being supported by the captain and the management. What can one say about rohit sharma, he is one of the worst players we have produced across generations and is a real farce he will be donning the Indian Cap yet again. A good for nothing, lazy, impudent player.
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What has pujara done that is so special that he can't be dropped? He is all hype. He fails most of the time when the team needs him. I have said earlier also if he wants to be successful he has to start taking ODI's seriously. The more he plays intl cricket the more he will get better with time. That's how dravid improved his game.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I will be shocked.If Rohit plays over Vijay and Pujara in the long term.Its a travesty.
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I haven't followed the series at all but how did it come to a position where Vijays spot is in danger. I mean isn't he an opener anyway. So if Rohit's at #5 what's the issue with Vijays position
 
Slog said:
I haven't followed the series at all but how did it come to a position where Vijays spot is in danger. I mean isn't he an opener anyway. So if Rohit's at #5 what's the issue with Vijays position
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He played one innings in the first test, got done in by a Gabriel snorter and his finger got injured during the same delivery. So missed the 2nd test and Rahul came as a replacement who slammed a 150 and so he made his case a strong one for the next test. Meanwhile Vijay also recuperated from the finger injury and got fit for selection again.

So it came as a decision between 3 openers for the third test - Vijay, Dhawan and Rahul.

Dhawan was preferred over Vijay by Kohli because he has a better strike rate over Vijay.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Kohli in the post match ceremony said that he will continue to bat at no.3 and Rohit will bat at no.5.His statements reflected that Rohit will be in the team in the forseeable future.

So did he just sounded the deathknell for Pujara and Vijay?

And is he being a fool hardy in promoting himself to no.3 which is not his natural position and is a specialist position?
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Yaar how some one can prefer Rohit over Vijay??? Clueless.
 
Vijay is the best Test player in this current squad, and my favorite btw :( Kohli is giving brainless statements in order to save spots for his buddies.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Not sure what the OP is thinking. Being dropped for one or two matches is not equal to ending the careers of players. They will be back in the team. Vijay is a must. Pujara with all the hype hasn't performed even half of it yet and disappointed the indian team management. So they have to look for someone else for number 3 position.
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It was Kohli's statements after the match,shockingly said
we understood that a player like Rohit (Sharma) needs to be backed, and that meant that I had to go to No. 3. I would like to bat at No. 3. Jinks (Rahane) is solid for us at No. 4 and Rohit is dangerous at No. 5. I don't mind taking responsibility and batting ahead.
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Virat's needs to find a balance,Vijay should come in for Dhawan and he can make alternate arrangements for one down which doesn't include himself.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
What has pujara done that is so special that he can't be dropped? He is all hype. He fails most of the time when the team needs him. I have said earlier also if he wants to be successful he has to start taking ODI's seriously. The more he plays intl cricket the more he will get better with time. That's how dravid improved his game.
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Pujara has played some outstanding innings during his start-stop international career so far, his potential is beyond question, whereas you have a certain rohit sharma who has been performing abysmally and will never improve because he is extremely "talented"
 
spade said:
Pujara has played some outstanding innings during his start-stop international career so far, his potential is beyond question, whereas you have a certain rohit sharma who has been performing abysmally and will never improve because he is extremely "talented"
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I am not in favour of Rohit Sharma either. We should look for someone else also.
 
Kohli was amazing yesterday with his field placing and captaincy.....just amazing...

Off the field to his captaincy was JUST AMAZING TOO

But in a different way...

Phattuness overload.

You BLOODY CANNOT BUILD A TEST TEAM WITH 5 BOWLERS HAVING USELESS JOKERS LIKE DHAWAN AND ROHIT IN YOUR TOP 6.

Ashwin is one day gonna screw up bad with the bat and we are going to lose and then this bunch of smarty pants will realize the importance of proper bats.

Our Top 5 should be:

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane

Period.

Wanna drop Pujara?

Bring in Karun Nair or some other solid bat.

One good thing about Kohli is he expects players to perform.

So Rohit should screw up sooner or later and then Pujara will be back.

Vijay will be surely back no matter what.

A fragile batting lineup dropping the 2nd best opener in the world is a TRAVESTY.
 
Is Kohli-Rohit similar to Misbah-Hafeez.
Friendship before country.
I have heard Kohli praising Sharm alot in interviews
 
Rohit and Pujara are bang average mediocre players. Vijay's omission should be the main concern.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Kohli in the post match ceremony said that he will continue to bat at no.3 and Rohit will bat at no.5.His statements reflected that Rohit will be in the team in the forseeable future.

So did he just sounded the deathknell for Pujara and Vijay?

And is he being a fool hardy in promoting himself to no.3 which is not his natural position and is a specialist position?
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No, I don't think Kohli is someone who believes in a fixed team. He will change according to need and form. Vijay was injured too
 
cricketjoshila said:
Kohli in the post match ceremony said that he will continue to bat at no.3 and Rohit will bat at no.5.His statements reflected that Rohit will be in the team in the forseeable future.

So did he just sounded the deathknell for Pujara and Vijay?

And is he being a fool hardy in promoting himself to no.3 which is not his natural position and is a specialist position?
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Buffet said:
It's idiotic to play Rohit over the likes of Vijay and Pujara. Rohit is not a good test batsman.
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cricketjoshila said:
I will be shocked.If Rohit plays over Vijay and Pujara in the long term.Its a travesty.
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You guys are making a very fundamental mistake. Rohit is a middle order batsman while Vijay is an opener. Rohit is competing with Pujara for a spot in the XI. If Vijay is plated, he'll replace Dhawan/Rahul not Rohit.

And although I don't think Rohit is Test cricket material, someone needed to be tried with Pujara failing repeatedly in the last 8-10 innings.
 
Well Kohli is doing lot of chopping and changing before every game. This is all good as long as you are winning but once it backfires it will upset a lot of people and then all the drawbacks will be exposed. There is a reason why most teams dont tinker with settled combinations.
 
I am not that bothered for Vijay. Because Dhawan will fail. And then we will have to call Vijay back.

A little concerned for Pujara though. Our next few matches are in India, and Rohit most likely will not fail. Which means we will be carrying a liability into the away tours that come up in the next few seasons.
 
Abhilash93 said:
You guys are making a very fundamental mistake. Rohit is a middle order batsman while Vijay is an opener. Rohit is competing with Pujara for a spot in the XI. If Vijay is plated, he'll replace Dhawan/Rahul not Rohit.

And although I don't think Rohit is Test cricket material, someone needed to be tried with Pujara failing repeatedly in the last 8-10 innings.
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The issue here is Pujara's place is always in questions. He has never had a captain come out and back him like Kohli backed Rohit yesterday. If you can do it to Rohit, why not lets also offer 2 series without questioning Pujara's place in the side. If he doesnt perform, then fair enough. But at least give him the same backing. Especially for some one who has played some match winning in his early part of the career (pre injury). Double against England and batted with the tail; 70 odd in the 4th innings chasing against Aus; A hundred opening and then carrying the bat. Rohit's contribution pales into insignificance if you compare to what Puajra has offered. On top of that, we have to get Kohli to bat out his preferred position in order to fit Rohit in.
 
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I repeat!

Rohit is a middle order batsman while Vijay is an opener. Rohit is competing with Pujara for a spot in the XI. If Vijay is played, he'll replace Dhawan/Rahul not Rohit. Including Dhawan over Vijay is a big mistake, Rohit over Pujara is not that bad a decision for this series. And although I don't think Rohit is Test cricket material, someone needed to be tried with Pujara failing repeatedly in the last 8-10 innings.

Also, Pujara and especially Vijay's careers haven't ended. Vijay was injured in the first Test and may be he deserves a break of a couple of Tests to get back to his best. And The Kohli statement was about the short term plans i.e. the last Test, not forever. Probably he felt that he needed Dhawan and Rohit to score runs faster in light of what happened in the 2nd Test when rain washed one day off.

"If you make three changes you might feel that it might to be too strong a reaction. But we realized that if we have to seal the series here then we had to make changes according to the conditions"
 
Sidilicious said:
The issue here is Pujara's place is always in questions. He has never had a captain come out and back him like Kohli backed Rohit yesterday. If you can do it to Rohit, why not lets also offer 2 series without questioning Pujara's place in the side. If he doesnt perform, then fair enough. But at least give him the same backing. Especially for some one who has played some match winning in his early part of the career (pre injury). Double against England and batted with the tail; 70 odd in the 4th innings chasing against Aus; A hundred opening and then carrying the bat. Rohit's contribution pales into insignificance if you compare to what Puajra has offered.
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4-5 years ago is history, selections should be based on current form. And Pujara has clearly regressed a lot after that phase of 2010-2013.

Though ideally I would have liked someone like a Karun Nair to replace him, but the only reserve batsman in the squad here was Rohit.
 
Abhilash93 said:
4-5 years ago is history, selections should be based on current form. And Pujara has clearly regressed a lot after that phase of 2010-2013.

Though ideally I would have liked someone like a Karun Nair to replace him, but the only reserve batsman in the squad here was Rohit.
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The hundred while opening was just last year, and during that innings, whole team struggled to score except Puajra and he batted with the tail.

Puajara has never had the backing. Why not offer him a couple of series? What has Rohit done in the meantime to warrant such a backing?
 
Don't go by his words he wants results at any cost so wouldn't be long before he changes the team again.
 
Sherlock said:
Pujara is a class act. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the Indian Test side in the future.
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His selfish play in that match sealed it for him. 46 off 200 balls when we were never going to lose and rain was coming, really was the last straw.

I can imagine Kohli was furious about not winning that. In any case, the trajectory of this match confirmed that we needed quicker play. We wouldn't have won this if Pujara and Vijay wasted 300 balls between them.
 
Zaz said:
Why is he championing rohit all the time? The guy is proven mediocre in the test arena!
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Rohit hasn't got a single extended run, and now is the time to give him one.

Apart from this the Indian think-tank simply does not believe in format specialists. They think the best players should play everything. And the fact that Vijay and Pujara can't cut it at the quicker formats goes against them.
 
Virat Kohli isn't the one to end careers or select team based on personal agendas. He did what was right to push for a win given the conditions.
 
Fr all those who are constantly drinking the quick runs kool aid

The last test was saved by a frigging slow marathon by Ash and Saha.

2nd innings, it was Rahul who played fast. Rahane and Rohit were pretty par.

There wasn't much upside...but the downside could have been 1-1.

The bowling changes won us the match.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
His selfish play in that match sealed it for him. 46 off 200 balls when we were never going to lose and rain was coming, really was the last straw.

I can imagine Kohli was furious about not winning that. In any case, the trajectory of this match confirmed that we needed quicker play. We wouldn't have won this if Pujara and Vijay wasted 300 balls between them.
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And what was the SR of the player who was brought on for his SR, compared to the more solid players?
 
Time for me to stop following Indian cricket and take to other teams. If India indeed is looking longterm with Dhawan and Rohit in a 5 batsmen top order, good luck with that. I'm done.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
His selfish play in that match sealed it for him. 46 off 200 balls when we were never going to lose and rain was coming, really was the last straw.

I can imagine Kohli was furious about not winning that. In any case, the trajectory of this match confirmed that we needed quicker play. We wouldn't have won this if Pujara and Vijay wasted 300 balls between them.
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You are right. Rohit with his talented 20 (25) will be a real terror for the opposition.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Fr all those who are constantly drinking the quick runs kool aid

The last test was saved by a frigging slow marathon by Ash and Saha.

2nd innings, it was Rahul who played fast. Rahane and Rohit were pretty par.

There wasn't much upside...but the downside could have been 1-1.

The bowling changes won us the match.
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Things didn't turn out the way Kohli wanted, but the selection had a clear strategy and direction. This to me is more important. However, how this translates to Pujara and Murali's careers being ended beats me, don't know how CJ arrived at that conclusion..
 
Zak_Fan said:
Things didn't turn out the way Kohli wanted, but the selection had a clear strategy and direction. This to me is more important. However, how this translates to Pujara and Murali's careers being ended beats me.
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That selection would have yielded 1-1 if not for Shanon Gabriel's no ball.

I can understand the strategy but when execution (selection of wrong personnel) is so bad...what use is that strategy?

We need quick scoring GOOD test bats. Not Rohit.
 
After the next English tour, he'll go back down to #4.
 
Like I said, this is a misinterpretation of the captains statement...and now Vijay & Pujara are in the team and Dhawan has been dropped.

/thread
 
Che responding in some fashion. a life lesson for Kohli, don't kick a man when he is down.
 
Kohli has never given Pujara the required confidence while in actual Puji is a much better test bat than Kohli. So many impact innings and tough runs compare to Kohli's which hardly influenced results.

And on the other side Kohli's continuous praise of Sharma who is ten times below Puji as test bat.
 
People reading too much into this Pujara vs. Kohli nonsense. A few days ago Kohli described Pujara and Rahane as best Test batsmen in India.
 
Pujara has an away average of 33 so I am not sure why some here are getting giddy. Both of them are average test bats and only score on pitches that offer little assistance to the bowlers
 
quoting myself from other thread

"I don't get why 'Away' averages are so important. Is it not possible that there are flat tracks in 'away' conditions? Why do 'away' innings in dead rubbers are better than actual match winning series saving innings in Asia? Why cant Pujara's 140 odd (in a match and series winning situation) in 'seaming' conditions be rated highly? Just because it was not 'away'? Why cant it be possible that even in India when a player arrived at the crease it was difficult against fast bowling. Why cant that innings be counted? Just because it was not 'away'?

Kohli has great test 'away' average but how many matches has he won or how many series results did he influence? How many tough runs he scored or crucial runs he scored which resulted in wins when the chips were down.. Atleast a guy like Puji is winning matches and influencing series' in Asia while Kohli with his 'away' numbers hasn't done anything special.

Sometimes I don't get this subcontinent obsession with this 'away' thing. In general too it is like this. "Ohh look the guy works abroad. Wow!!" .. It doesn't matter what he does there only the stamp of abroad is enough."
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Pujara has an away average of 33 so I am not sure why some here are getting giddy. Both of them are average test bats and only score on pitches that offer little assistance to the bowlers
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What do you mean by both? Vijay has done well away from home and is far from being an average test batsman.
 
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