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Do New Zealand have the best pace attack in the world?

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3 bowlers with 200+ wickets, one of those 300+, the 4th bowler with 5 five-fers in 8 games.

Southee and Boult magical with the new ball, 6'8" Jamieson following up with his explosive and dominant spells and Wagner bowling those long spells of "dirty overs" (as DK put it) to get the crucial breakthroughs.

They've taken their country to #1 in the rankings and now to the WTC trophy.

With the addition of Jamieson, this new attack does have sterner tests to come perhaps, but is there currently a nation with a superior Test pace attack?
 
Yes. If the discussion is pace attack, then yes. Jamieson will do well in Australia too.
 
No. Boult is average since a year and Jamieson unproven in Australia and India. Southee is on his last legs
 
No. People often forget about the impact of conditions in Test cricket and how different conditions impact greatly the results in test cricket, unlike in LOI cricket where the conditions more or less don't matter.

Otherwise the Indian team which generally does well in Australia would not struggle as much in swinging and seaming conditions of Eng/NZ. I think the kiwis have got the best attack for swing and seaming conditions (Eng/NZ) but all their bowlers (Boult, Southee, Henry, Jamieson, Wagner) with the exception of Ferguson bowl in the early 130s which is not quick enough to trouble batsmen when there isn't lateral movement available but become very potent when there's ample lateral movement.
 
This (WTC win) is also the fourth instance of New Zealand pacers taking all 20 wickets in a Test match against India. This occurred for the first time in Wellington (2002), followed by Hamilton (2002), Auckland (2014) and Southampton (2021*)
 
New Zealand have now got the Indian team out for less than 250 in six consecutive Test innings:

170
217
124
242
191
165
 
They are the most disciplined attack. This is the beauty of this NZ team - Everyone knows the task and they stick to it. The pace attack is skilled and smart to know how to setup batsmen.
 
3 bowlers with 200+ wickets, one of those 300+, the 4th bowler with 5 five-fers in 8 games.

Southee and Boult magical with the new ball, 6'8" Jamieson following up with his explosive and dominant spells and Wagner bowling those long spells of "dirty overs" (as DK put it) to get the crucial breakthroughs.

They've taken their country to #1 in the rankings and now to the WTC trophy.

With the addition of Jamieson, this new attack does have sterner tests to come perhaps, but is there currently a nation with a superior Test pace attack?

They absolutely do, 3 days lost to rain and they still beat India.
 
Yes I believe that they have the best bowling attack due to all bowlers offering something difficult and having a disciplined attack.
 
I think Aus are a bit ahead, but it depends on conditions and I think we need to see how Jamieson goes in Aus and Asia. Also need to get a gun fast bowling enforcer like Lockie to get us ahead and cover all bases.
 
New Zealand have now got the Indian team out for less than 250 in six consecutive Test innings:

170
217
124
242
191
165

Thanks for sharing.
Puts in to context the great performances of Fawad Alam and Rizwan in NZ recently
 
No. Boult is average since a year and Jamieson unproven in Australia and India. Southee is on his last legs

Those are some legs that Southee's got on him. 137 wickets in his last 27 matches at 22.52. He's only 32 and will have Hadlee's 431 NZ record in his sights.
 
Thanks for sharing.
Puts in to context the great performances of Fawad Alam and Rizwan in NZ recently

Tbf, the pitch at Tauranga last summer was significantly flatter than anything India have played on. But yes, Pakistan's batsmen showed a lot more gumption and application than India's in that series.
 
No. People often forget about the impact of conditions in Test cricket and how different conditions impact greatly the results in test cricket, unlike in LOI cricket where the conditions more or less don't matter.

Otherwise the Indian team which generally does well in Australia would not struggle as much in swinging and seaming conditions of Eng/NZ. I think the kiwis have got the best attack for swing and seaming conditions (Eng/NZ) but all their bowlers (Boult, Southee, Henry, Jamieson, Wagner) with the exception of Ferguson bowl in the early 130s which is not quick enough to trouble batsmen when there isn't lateral movement available but become very potent when there's ample lateral movement.

Yeah, mostly agree with this. NZ will beat anyone in England and NZ, and will be competitive in SA and WI, but life is a lot harder for them in hot, dry conditions. Tbf, the same could be said for pretty much anyone, but they need a bit more of a cutting edge if they're ever to win another series in Australia. Hopefully Lockie and young Ben Sears will give them that in the years to come.
 
Should be noted that southee and Wagner were quite successful in Australia. 12 wickets in 2 tests for southee and 17 wickets in 3 tests for wagner, both averaged around mid 20s. Only boult struggled before being injured

Jamieson has made an immense impact on nzs bowling. He should've debuted in the Aus tour instead of lockie.

Ajaz patel is also a decent spinner. Nz probably just need more all rounder, cdg is quite old
 
Should be noted that southee and Wagner were quite successful in Australia. 12 wickets in 2 tests for southee and 17 wickets in 3 tests for wagner, both averaged around mid 20s. Only boult struggled before being injured

Jamieson has made an immense impact on nzs bowling. He should've debuted in the Aus tour instead of lockie.

Ajaz patel is also a decent spinner. Nz probably just need more all rounder, cdg is quite old
Rachin Ravindra is a top order batsmen and left arm spinner.
 
Do NZ have the best fast-bowling attack in the world?

Take a closer look at the raw numbers from the World Test Championship that reveal the leading pace attacks in the world

New Zealand's bowling coach, Australian Shane Jurgensen, says the Kiwis' World Test Championship triumph and their world No.1 Test ranking should end any debate about the Black Caps having the best pace-bowling attack in the world.

NZ's victory over India in Southampton last week was built on their four-pronged seam attack that has been so pivotal to their success since the WTC began two years ago.

The established trio of Tim Southee, Trent Boult and Neil Wagner has been joined more recently by rookie Kyle Jamieson, who has stormed onto the international stage with 46 wickets in just eight Tests.


Kane's Black Caps the best ever: Hadlee
Jurgensen, the former Queensland, Tasmania and WA representative, says there's no doubt in his mind that his pace attack is the best in the game.

"I think so (and) I've been thinking that for a while," he said this week.

"I think they are, and we can probably strongly say that right now. This hasn't been a fluke and it has been happening for a long time.

"As I said, the belief in the bowling group – how they plan, how fit they are, how strong they are and how much they believe in each other, the trust is amazing."

But do the numbers back up Jurgenson's theory? Well, yes and no.

Based on the raw figures from the World Test Championship, the pace attacks of New Zealand, Australia, India and England are actually very hard to split.

England (255 wickets at 24.12 from 21 matches), New Zealand (188 wickets at 23.17 from 12 matches), Australia (187 wickets at 23.35 from 14 matches) and India (172 wickets at 22.15 from 18 matches) all had comparable inputs from their pacemen during the two years of the WTC.

But a deeper dive into those numbers reveal some notable differences between the four leading pace-bowling nations.

England are one out given they had a strike bowler in their top six in the form of Ben Stokes, who picked up 34 wickets at 26.26 from 17 Tests, while the other three countries did not have a significant input from a seam-bowling allrounder.

Joe Root's side, having played more WTC games that anyone else and rotated their players throughout, had a total of seven pacemen who finished with 15 or more wickets in the competition, compared just three for Australia, four for the Kiwis and five for India.

Australia relied almost entirely on Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood and Mitchell Starc for their pace wickets in the WTC, with the trio all finishing in the top six of fast bowling wicket-takers for the competition and all averaging less than 25.

On the other hand, India – whose pace resources were stretched to the limit during an injury crisis in their famous series win in Australia last summer – had a more even spread and just two of their pacemen finished in the top 20.

Another notable difference between the Kiwi attack and those of the four other leading pace nations in the WTC was their under-reliance on spin to support the seam attack.

New Zealand's spinners picked up just 25 wickets during the WTC compared to 143 for India, 102 for England and 59 for Australia, while the Black Caps did not field a spinner in the final against India last week.

But with Test tours of India, Bangladesh and Pakistan on the horizon, the star Kiwi seamers are expected to take more of a back seat as the likes of Ajaz Patel and Will Somerville take on more responsibility.

"Seeing what Ajaz did against England was absolutely fantastic," Jurgensen said.

"I was so excited for Ajaz to get that opportunity at Edgbaston against England to see him get wickets in both innings – it was sort of real confidence for him.

"And also for us to again to say we have the subcontinent tours coming up and we have got Ajaz, Will and Rachin (Ravindra).

"There are plenty of options. (South Africa-born Michael) Rippon from Otago will qualify soon and there's plenty of guys putting up their hands. So, there's going to be some tough selections coming up."

Wickets taken by pace in the WTC

England – 255 wickets at 24.12

New Zealand – 188 wickets at 23.17

Australia – 187 wickets at 23.35

India – 172 wickets at 22.15

South Africa – 151 wickets at 27.83

West Indies – 130 wickets at 33.22

Pakistan – 92 wickets at 37.61

Sri Lanka – 68 wickets at 39.22

Bangladesh – 39 wickets at 42.94

Most wickets in the WTC (pace bowlers, min 40 wickets)

Pat Cummins (AUS) – 70 wickets at 21.02

Stuart Broad (ENG) – 69 wickets at 20.08

Tim Southee (NZ) – 56 wickets at 20.82

Josh Hazlewood (AUS) – 48 wickets at 20.54

Anrich Nortje (SA) – 47 wickets at 28.10

Mitchell Starc (AUS) – 44 wickers at 24.54

Kyle Jamieson (NZ) – 43 wickers at 12.53

Mohammad Shami (IND) – 40 wickets at 20.47

Jofra Archer (ENG) – 40 wickets at 27.37

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/new-zealand-fast-bowlers-southee-wagner-boult-jamieson-world-test-championship-statistics/2021-06-29
 
So Indian bowlers have better records, play in much harsher conditions on average and yet the Kiwis have the best attack. Nice butchering of logic.
 
They probably have the best pace attack for NZ and English conditions.

Everywhere else, not so.
 
Well, the best pace attack is the one doing well in all conditions. Not just in Eng and NZ.

They do have the potential to be the best but let's see the performance in all conditions first.

The best pace attack in swinging conditions for sure.
 
They are a skilled attack with quite a bit of variety. Out bowling English seamers in England is no mean feat. They were terrible in Australia though and were good, without being exceptional, in Asia .
 
Yes, NZ have best pace attack with inclusion of Jamieson. They have got four world class bowlers and Jamieson is on his way to become an ATG. However, lack of spinner goes against them in Asia.

India have better overall bowling attack though. Our spinners are ruthless in Asia. But we do not have any ATG potential fast bowler.
 
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