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Do Non-Muslims come under Ummat-e-Muhammadi (PBUH)
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They come under dharmic fold
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what is that? can u plz elaborate a bit?
Previous Prophets and Messengers- peace be upon them all- were sent to specific regions/ nations/ people but our Prophet Muhammad- sallallahu alaihi wasallam- was sent for the whole of the mankind. So the message of Islam is open for one and all, not limited to any time or place.
That said, only Muslims fall under the 'ummat blanket'. Ummah = Muslim nation, how can one be under the ummat blanket if they're not even muslim?
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Muslim Ummah only includes Muslims. Non-Muslims aren't considered as parts of this Ummah obviously.
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whats the point, OP? How can you have a cricket game between UMMAH XI and ROWXI if they are all part of the ummah?
Come on, man. Wake up.
Come on, man. Wake up.
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Non Muslims are part of Dar Al Harb. There is no evidence of any prophets outside of Middle East. There is No evidence of any prophet ever sent to Asia, Australia, Americas and told them about oneness of God or to face towards Mecca to Pray.
In fact, there is no evidence of any Jewish prophets ever visiting Mecca on a pilgrimage. So even Jews and Christians are also not part of Dar Al Islam.
In fact, there is no evidence of any Jewish prophets ever visiting Mecca on a pilgrimage. So even Jews and Christians are also not part of Dar Al Islam.
There is no rebirth or reincarnation in Islam. The karmic acts of a human will not decide their rebirth status. This alone puts Islam and other Abrahamic religions out of Dharmic fold.
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Are non-Muslims ummati’s or not? If not then who are they?
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A: The nation of any Nabi is regarded as the ummah of that specific Nabi. Hence, in the Qur’an Shareef, Allah Ta’ala speaks about the Bani Israa’eel being the ummah of the Ambiyaa that were sent to them. Among the Bani Israa’eel there were those who believed in the Nabi, and those who disbelieved. From among the ummah of any Nabi were those who were loyal to the Nabi, believed in his prophethood and followed his teachings. These ummatis were known as the believers of that Nabi (ummat-e-ijaabat). As for those who were not loyal to the Nabi and did not believe in his prophethood, these ummatis were known as the disbelievers of the Nabi (ummat-e-dawat).
Hence the non Muslims are also Ummat of Muhammad Peace be upon him, they are ummat e dawat ( those who should be invited towards Islam)
Bismillaah
A: The nation of any Nabi is regarded as the ummah of that specific Nabi. Hence, in the Qur’an Shareef, Allah Ta’ala speaks about the Bani Israa’eel being the ummah of the Ambiyaa that were sent to them. Among the Bani Israa’eel there were those who believed in the Nabi, and those who disbelieved. From among the ummah of any Nabi were those who were loyal to the Nabi, believed in his prophethood and followed his teachings. These ummatis were known as the believers of that Nabi (ummat-e-ijaabat). As for those who were not loyal to the Nabi and did not believe in his prophethood, these ummatis were known as the disbelievers of the Nabi (ummat-e-dawat).
Hence the non Muslims are also Ummat of Muhammad Peace be upon him, they are ummat e dawat ( those who should be invited towards Islam)
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No they do not! When they don't accept Muhammad(saw) as the final Prophet of Allah then they are not part off the Ummat/h. Only Muslim's are fortunate enough to be Ummati. This is an absurd question the the first place like asking can you be a Catholic without believing the the crucifixion of Isa(as). Of course you can't.
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The Ummah is often divided into two categories:
Ummat-e-Ijabat: Those who have accepted Islam.
Ummat-e-Dawat: Those who have not yet accepted Islam or are disbelievers. They are to be invited to Islam.
So according to this definition, they are ummati but they will not be going to jannah according to Islamic teaching until they revert to Islam and accept Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) the last messenger of ALLAH. You still have to be a Muslim if you want to enjoy the perks of being the UMMATI of Muhammad (S.A.W) on the day of Judgement.
Hope that I answered your question to the best of my knowledge.
Ummat-e-Ijabat: Those who have accepted Islam.
Ummat-e-Dawat: Those who have not yet accepted Islam or are disbelievers. They are to be invited to Islam.
So according to this definition, they are ummati but they will not be going to jannah according to Islamic teaching until they revert to Islam and accept Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) the last messenger of ALLAH. You still have to be a Muslim if you want to enjoy the perks of being the UMMATI of Muhammad (S.A.W) on the day of Judgement.
Hope that I answered your question to the best of my knowledge.
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Is there any reference from Hadith or Quran for this (Ummat-e-Ijabat and Ummat-e-Dawat)?
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Thanks.
But, I believe OP was asking whether non-Muslims (those who don't believe in Islam) could be considered as parts of Ummah.
Ummat-e-Ijabat and Ummat-e-Dawat - I am wondering the sources for these two terms. I didn't find these in Hadith or Quran.
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Do the Non Muslims believe that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah swt ? No they do not , so how they can be in the ummat?
If I do not associate myself with a certain institution , do not believe in them , do not follow the guidelines, I cannot me a member of that institution.
If I do not associate myself with a certain institution , do not believe in them , do not follow the guidelines, I cannot me a member of that institution.
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I thought it may be in hadiths, but not aware. Otherwise it may be an innovation.
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Reminds me when some ulema in India declared india as dar-ul-aman, instead of dar-ul-harb.
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Darul aman and Darul Harb are used in fiqh for different context , it has nothing to do with this issue.
Maybe one of the non muslim guys can answer
They will reply and respond with certainty in subjects that are beyond them, let that not hinder them though
Perhaps the Muslim conquerors did not get the memo that India was Dar al aman.
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Just see your own book and then compare it with the story of Noah from Christians and Muslims , Study the translated version of Kalki Avtar , and last but not the least just use your common sense , there were so many religions before Islam , Before Hinduism , all of them vanished with time , if there Gods were true then surely they would have done something to stopping the demise of those religions? And ofcourse not two religion could be true because it would means two gods and struggle for power which potentially destroying everything between heaven and earth so All it left with is just one God , One World , seems natural to me.
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I do not find any Hadith about these terms but according to Hanafi fiqa, this the term they would generally use. I am no AALIM to confirm it. Other fiqs might not think the same. Depends on the individual now.
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According to HOLY QURAN (Part 4, Surah Aale ‘Imran, verse 110), “You, ˹ the nation of Prophet Muhammad˺, are the best among all those nations which appeared amongst the people.
This means IMO that you have to believe in Muhammad to be his Ummati and be the best ones.
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Yes. Quran has "Ummah". But, not Ummat-e-Ijabat or Ummat-e-Dawat.
As Muslims, we have to acknowledge that there is a concept of "Ummah". That's right.
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yeah. That is why I quoted QURAN HERE. Ummati here like the nation of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). So only Muslims fall under this category if we think about it.
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what do you mean ?
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There is no evidence of monkeys talking like men or elephant headed humans ever existing in history yet people believe them and worship them
Biggest mistake or ignorance shown by both Hindus and non-Hindus is that they think Hanuman was a Monkey. He is not. He is a human with extra ordinary physical and mental abilities. Monkeys don't talk much less great poets.
Hanuman and his people are Vanar = Vana (Forest) + Nar (Man). They are basically people who live in forests.
Regarding Ganesh, the Elephant headed God, they are not humans. Celestial beings can have any form.
When we talk about Prophets, they are real people who existed. Hence evidence is needed.
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Kindly check sanskrit dictionary , Vanar means monkey , not humans. Humans do not have tails.
Ganesh had human head , but it was replaced by Elephant head.
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That’s the thing about faith. It doesn’t need evidence. Just like you don’t need evidence to believe in people of the forest or celestial beings, people of the abrahamic faiths dont need evidence for prophets. Stories about Noah, lot, yousaf , daood, moosa, Jesus, Ibrahim are all repeated with some variation across religious books for all three abrahamic faiths passed down from way before Christ, and known history. More than half the world believes in these people without evidence.
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You can not break the word here. That's a language construct neither in sanskrit nor in hindi.
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This is an interesting topic to discuss.
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This thread is not about Ganesha or any Hindu stuff. Please do not derail the thread. Thanks
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